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[Kryllian]

So, just jumping in the middle here, so sorry if any of this has been answered before.

Spoiler

First of all, I am completely ruined for all other romances now, I seriously need some closure from Solas's leaving with now explanation. At least when Morrigan left, there weren't really any secrets, she just didn't really believe in love much. I desperately hope for at minimum a DLC to wrap up the Solas romance...hopefully happily because he looked so heartbreakingly sad as he left.

Second, I am curious what people think was the actual cause of the explosion at the beginning? After rewatching the scenes fom the Fade, my first impression is that the explosion happens when you pick up the orb, but I wasn't sure. I am assuming the breach was sort of what Corypheus wanted, but he wanted to be the one to travel between the Fade and the real world, but when you picked it up and took the anchor, that screwed everything up. In that case, was Solas trying to piggy back his way into the Fade, or would he retake the orb after Corypheus unlocked it?

Thirdly, what is everyone's opinion of the epilogue, did Solas take Flemeth, Mythal, and the Old God soul into himself, or...what other options are people going with. How do you think this might affect the reuniting of Solas and romanced Quizzy?

Truly interested in your thoughts.

[OxidantsHappen]

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http://wardencommand...29/dammit-solas

 

And this is how Arlathan fell. 

[k_drake]

 

He doesn't seem to like the gods themselves, although its very possible he views them as a necessary evil to returning the world back to where it started. But he refers to the group he's trying to help as 'the people', which doesn't sound like the way one would address your fellow gods. He would have probably said something like 'the others', or 'our friends', or 'those crazy assholes.' 

 

I don't think Solas's goal is going to be particularly evil. He might be willing to leave a trail of bodies behind him, but I think whatever goal he's focused on 'checks out' mentally for him. Trapped elves fit the book.

 

I agree.  My prediction is that he's going to try and turn back the clock...which incidentally will annihilate (literally--they will become nothing, because they will not have ever been) the Thedas that has existed for the last few thousand years.  Thus the idea that nobody--including the Inquisitor--is actually "real."  They're just a product of a fluke timeline.

Naturally some of the people who are products of this "wrong" timeline might beg to differ.... 

[madrar]

 

My mind does keep going back to the bit of datamined text that was attached to Mythal's talk with the Inquisitor and Morrigan. It seemed random, but I really do wonder if they had intended to have a flashback or some sort of echoing dialogue there. The words were in elvish, but it read something like: 'goodbye, my love-' then cut off, followed by another line going: 'help, help!' 

 

If Mythal is the one speaking, it sounds like the betrayer would have been Elgar'nan. 

 

But then again- it could just be a random bit of code, or, cut content that they didn't mean to imply anything. 

 

Whoa.  I thought there was some unused comment about "Mother-" in the final scene, but the above is completely new to me.  Anyone have a link to wherever this was dug up?  Is this a reddit thing?

[FiveThreeTen]

Perhaps strongly hinting at the reason Mythal switched sides from Elgar'nan to Fen'Harel.  Faced with his use of blight as a method of control, she could no longer ignore what he'd become.  

See that could work with my  "let's help people I trapped thousands of years ago and hope they have learn something from it". Because Fen'harel doesn't want to be like Elgar'nan?

I could imagine Mythal originally providing the means to judge the Old Gods because she agreed with Fen'Harel intent.

This kinda works?

And then there's the fact that Solas seems to care about all people, not just the elves. His bitterness toward all the races seems to stem from them not realizing their full potential. I'm more and more convinced that he wants to bring down the veil and 'free' everyone. To level the playing field, maybe? Its a scary thought, but I admit its also rather exciting...

Yep, I think it's pretty well established now with all his banter with Sera, "let me help you achieve your inner elfy self" but I don't know if that really applies to other races for Solas. After all, during 'his' rebellion, humans were already in Thedas, but not seen as a threat. Dwarves had already an Empire but underground...

He doesn't seem to like the gods themselves, although its very possible he views them as a necessary evil to returning the world back to where it started. But he refers to the group he's trying to help as 'the people', which doesn't sound like the way one would address your fellow gods. He would have probably said something like 'the others', or 'our friends', or 'those crazy assholes.'

Yes this line at the end makes me suspect it's not all about some other Gods/superior being fate. He is showing too much guilt and remorse to mourn over that since he seems to despise those who aspire to godhood (ie: his comment about Corypheus).

Unless the fate of said Gods is crucial for the well-being of others I guess.

[nranola]

Indeed! I mean, he already slipped up at Halamshiral just from being a bit tipsy. Can you imagine during the Wicked Grace scene?

 

Now we know why he didn't join in. He wised up. Too risky. 

[Mims]

Whoa.  I thought there was some unused comment about "Mother-" in the final scene, but the above is completely new to me.  Anyone have a link to wherever this was dug up?  Is this a reddit thing?

 

Yes. I don't have the pastebin, but there was some additional lines in the final scene. It seemed like Morrigan was originally intended to be there. There was another line that did not fit either Solas or Mythal, although I can't remember what it was exactly. 

 

The one I am talking about in that post was from another scene, where it was Morrigan and the Inquisitor talking to Mythal. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

So, just jumping in the middle here, so sorry if any of this has been answered before.

Spoiler

First of all, I am completely ruined for all other romances now, I seriously need some closure from Solas's leaving with now explanation. At least when Morrigan left, there weren't really any secrets, she just didn't really believe in love much. I desperately hope for at minimum a DLC to wrap up the Solas romance...hopefully happily because he looked so heartbreakingly sad as he left.

Second, I am curious what people think was the actual cause of the explosion at the beginning? After rewatching the scenes fom the Fade, my first impression is that the explosion happens when you pick up the orb, but I wasn't sure. I am assuming the breach was sort of what Corypheus wanted, but he wanted to be the one to travel between the Fade and the real world, but when you picked it up and took the anchor, that screwed everything up. In that case, was Solas trying to piggy back his way into the Fade, or would he retake the orb after Corypheus unlocked it?

Thirdly, what is everyone's opinion of the epilogue, did Solas take Flemeth, Mythal, and the Old God soul into himself, or...what other options are people going with. How do you think this might affect the reuniting of Solas and romanced Quizzy?

Truly interested in your thoughts.

 

Welcome to the Solas thread!  Have a blanket fort: 

[k_drake]

Now we know why he didn't join in. He wised up. Too risky. 

I dunno, he's so good at card games (remember Blackwall's comment about Diamondback?)

[Kryllian]

Welcome to the Solas thread!  Have a blanket fort: 

Thanks, I think I need that blanket fort, and a bunch of chocolate to get me through this haha!

[madrar]

Second, I am curious what people think was the actual cause of the explosion at the beginning? After rewatching the scenes fom the Fade, my first impression is that the explosion happens when you pick up the orb, but I wasn't sure. I am assuming the breach was sort of what Corypheus wanted, but he wanted to be the one to travel between the Fade and the real world, but when you picked it up and took the anchor, that screwed everything up. In that case, was Solas trying to piggy back his way into the Fade, or would he retake the orb after Corypheus unlocked it?

 

Short version?  I think we did it.  Accidentally.

 

Long version?  Looking at the events that happened at ToSA through the filter of the Triad could go a long way toward explaining not only why the Divine's sacrifice was required, but why the Inquisitor's interference caused the attempt to go so horribly, spectacularly wrong.  

 

Corypheus represents Will.  The Divine: Option.  At the beginning of the scene, there is no triad: his Will alone is the determinate factor for the ritual.  The Divine is held unable to resist (literally without option) and all others in the room are under Corypheus' direct control.  The moment the Inquisitor enters, however, the triad is set and the potential for powerful change falls into place.  Taking advantage of Corypheus' momentary distraction, the Divine knocks the orb from his grasp towards the Inquisitor, who instinctively picks it up. The parallels may not be perfect, but the basic intent is there: the Wife turning from the Husband to the Lover.  

 

This is where the game gets a bit meta.  At various points in the story, it's strongly hinted that the DA universe is an onion whose outermost layer is our own reality- and critically, this is the moment when the Inquisitor's Will is subsumed by the Player.  Through the veil of the computer screen, the player is drawn into the fade that is the game and literally Anchored to the character.  From that point on, the Inquisitor (as an entity within the game world) has no Will of her own: the player is an overwhelmingly powerful source of Will acting through her.  The Inquisitor retains some limited semblance of self and agency, but critically (from the standpoint of Will and magic) her choices are our choices.  It is the Player's decisions, not hers, that shape the world of Thedas.

 

This is what Corypheus did not, and could not have, forseen: an external source of Will from outside the realm of Thedas itself completing the Triad.  Additionally, the player is a source of Will more powerful and absolute - far more real - than could be conceived of within the confines of the game world.  The formation of an Anchor binding the Inquisitor to the real-world Player utterly obliterates the initial Will (or intent) of the ritual, with disastrous effect.

 

So: in a way, the Player, violently and unknowingly interjected into the DA universe, might be considered the ultimate cause of the explosion at the Temple of Sacred Ashes.  @w@  It's an an interesting thought, at least... even if it turns out not to be the intended explanation. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Meer]

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Well said! It's interesting you should use a reference from Game of Thrones in the latter half of your response; this debate about the halla and wolf always made me think back to the first Bran chapter, where the Stark men stumble onto the stag and direwolf. The two great beasts have totally torn each other to shreds, a mutual destruction. And it's even more impressive since dire wolves are so much larger than the normal stock for that matter! Nature is definitely brutal, quite like any medieval society (fantasy or otherwise, really).

As to Solas and what attracted to him to Lavellan, I agree head-canon is a must. It's difficult to know what he means by "spirit," though I like to think he means her thoughtfulness, her intelligence, her compassion etc. As long as she has these things, any combination of traits would work. All of these things wrapped up in the person of one of the modern elves, it's almost too good to be true.

 

*Edit* Am I the top of the page? Here's a link to a cute photoset of Cole covering our poor Solas's cold head with a beanie, haha. The rest is at the link below~


 http://coolgeth.tumb...-i-couldnt-help

[nranola]

I dunno, he's so good at card games (remember Blackwall's comment about Diamondback?)

 

I'm not questioning his card game skills, just his ability to keep his tongue in check when he's got some drink in him. 

 

If we were given the chance, I'd love to see more drunk Solas. We saw a bit of it in Halamshiral. It was a joy to see him loosened up a bit.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Thanks, I think I need that blanket fort, and a bunch of chocolate to get me through this haha!

 

Can't stuff chocolate through the intertubes for you.  But there's a bunch of theory and information in the OP of this thread, and an updated (but by no means exhaustive) fanfiction list kept here.

[panamakira]

Damn you guys are fast and so many good theories too.

 

Can someone nudge me in the right direction? How does Solas know Mhris again? Is this from the Masked Empire? 

 

Also have Solas x Lavellan:

 

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[Fialka]

I don't think Felassan was Solas' slave at all. He may have been another ancient elf that wanted the same thing as Solas and they teamed up. Felassan kept his valaslin to blend in, I'm sure. Then he actually became involved with the world, more than Solas did I bet, came to admire Briala, and gave up everything he was working for to give her a chance. 
 
Solas was about to do that in the glade, and he just couldn't. 
 
fucker better come back and i get to keep him

I'm inclined to agree. Or rather, I just don't know anymore. I certainly think Solas is ruthless enough to kill a friend if it will further his goals... He kills Flemeth/Mythal, after all. (I use the word 'friend' intentionally... When i said 'master' i meant the dude he's working for/the person whose goals he's helping achieve, not as in 'master/slave.') But... Somehow it doesn't quite fit. As someone mentioned, Solas doesnt seem particularly interested in the Eluvians... Though he could just be hiding said interest. Or, that ship had sailed with the whole breach/Cory fiasco. I could really go either way with it. We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose.

Though for the sake of picking a side, I'm gonna go with... I think Felassan was working for Dirthamen. Cuz that would complicate matters. And be kind of cool. Aren't the ravens his, after all? He's been watching us the whole time through their eyes. Creepy...

[Mims]

 

anyone remembers that second to last line ?

 

0003A635: One day, someone will summarize the terrible events of your life so quickly.

0003A636: 

0003A637: It says, long ago, you left your husband for a lover. Your husband then tricked you, killed your lover, and imprisoned you.

0003A638: I know who Flemeth is.

0003A639: Then a spirit came to offer you vengeance. Mythal—that's what you spoke of.

0003A63A: I know the name "Flemeth." It belongs to an ancient Fereldan legend.

0003A63B: But, yes, I was that woman. That is how my tale began.

0003A63C: I know the name "Flemeth." My people call you Asha'bellanar, the woman of many years, and speak of your legend.

0003ABB1: <i>(Screams.)</i>

0003ABB2: Dareth shiral vhenan! Ara— <i>(Gasps.)</i>

0003ABB3: 

0003ABB4: Fenedhis! Ma halani! Ma halani!

0003C7C7: 

 

Dareth shiral vhenan! Ara— <i>(Gasps.)</i>

 

right after a scream...

 

 

I dug through many posts to recover this information, haha. But, this was the comment I was referencing. 

[Kryllian]

Side note, I would pay good money for a definitive official timeline of the DA pantheon and what actually happened after all the games are complete. I know it kinda takes away the mystery, but I think it could put such an interesting perspective on legend vs reality and the consequences of the gods thousands of years down the line. Or at the very least, perspective stories to tell the point of view of main players of the pantheon, and let us sort out some version of the truth from that.

[CapricornSun]

I'm not questioning his card game skills, just his ability to keep his tongue in check when he's got some drink in him. 

 

If we were given the chance, I'd love to see more drunk Solas. We saw a bit of it in Halamshiral. It was a joy to see him loosened up a bit.

 

This! Drunk Solas was an interesting change from his usual "grim and fatalistic"  demeanor.

He sounds much... happier? The way he says, "Happy hunting!" or the way he asks Lavellan to dance with him always brings a smile to my face.

 

EDIT: Happy Solas makes me happy, guys. I need to see more of that in-game.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I dug through many posts to recover this information, haha. But, this was the comment I was referencing. 

 

 

If those two lines were supposed to be Solas...

 

*curls up in a ball under the blanket fort*

[Mims]

 

If those two lines were supposed to be Solas...

 

*curls up in a ball under the blanket fort*

 

I don't think so. Although its possible he could have been the second one calling for help. Ultimately there's no context for what that was supposed to be, but it seems almost as though they intended to mirror Flemeth's betrayal with a flashback or an echo of Mythal's. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[k_drake]

This! Drunk Solas was an interesting change from his usual "grim and fatalistic"  demeanor.

He sounds much... happier? The way he says, "Happy hunting!" or the way he asks Lavellan to dance with him always brings a smile to my face.

 

EDIT: Happy Solas makes me happy, guys. I need to see more of that in-game.

So basically our new plan is to spike Solas' drinks.  I'm down.