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Cullen was totally adorable too. The whole scene in the Chantry in Skyhold where he doesn't want to send you back out to face Corypheus gets me every time. I think though, despite the heartbreak, Solas felt more 'real'. Maybe it was all the time spent asking questions about the Fade and whatnot, but I felt much more in tune to his moods. I admit though, The Ironbull romance cracks me up and will always be something of a favorite.

I forced myself to play a human so I wouldn't be tempted by Solas in my Cullen run.  Happy to say that after a bit those totally adorable scenes made it worth my time.  Unfortunately also made me decide that I need two cannon playthroughs branching at the Inquisition level.  One Elven and one Human....


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Which is what leads me to my Friday night (or day, or whatever crazy Past or Future time zone you are in) question for you! Cos I know you guys enjoy talking about your Lavellan's :D

Did your Lavellan go through a personality change at all during their Inquisition time? Were they stoic from start to finish? Or did something happen along the way that made you change the way you played?

 

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I enjoy doing these. ;)

 

Before the incident at the Conclave, I imagine my Lavellan to be rather child-like and naive at times and with a mischievous yet compassionate streak to her. She volunteered to go spy at the Conclave because she thought it would be rather exciting. Little did she know, she got more than what she bargained for.
 
Suddenly, she has the mark on her hand. She was no mage, so having this unknown, glowing magic mark scared her. Luckily, she had Solas with her to teach her how to control and make use of her newfound powers.
 
Being a hunter, she was not groomed to be a leader and was definitely not on board with the thought of leading the Inquisition. Being in an organization which consisted mostly of humans and Andrastrians, she found solace in Solas' (HAH! see what I did there?) company and eventually, fell in love with him. Her journey with the Inquisition has taught her that being a leader meant making difficult decisions; that she's responsible for the lives of the people who fight under her banner; that people look up to her and that she needed to grow up a bit if she wanted to help these people and to bring peace and stability back to Thedas.
 
She believed in her gods, but after her encounter with the Ancient elves at the Temple of Mythal and finding out that Dalish got their history entirely wrong, her beliefs were shattered. And the fact that Solas broke up with her right after he told her the truth about the vallaslin (and after she agreed to have them removed) made it even worse for her. In the end, after Solas leaves with no goodbyes whatsoever, she becomes a bit broken. But I'd like to think that after she's done crying, she comes out of this a bit stronger and wiser.

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Theory is kept separate from Lore.

 

Lore is one organized area for codex entries. Similar (and mostly taken from) the actual wiki, but organized easier for cross referencing lore for theory building.

 

etc.

Alright. If that is the case and you basically try to substitute the original DA wiki for improved usability I suggest to just follow your idea and try it. I personally cannot contribute to the theory craftingTM anyway.

 

How do you picture to go on with the lore part? Just copy & paste from the wiki? Rewrite? And who would do that?

 

So the next step would be that the people make a page for their theory and add it to the wiki. Once the pages are online the collective intelligence can go ahead and tag them with the matching category. My gut feeling tells me that this ("the people") means the inevitable death for the whole idea. :D



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I forced myself to play a human so I wouldn't be tempted by Solas in my Cullen run.  Happy to say that after a bit those totally adorable scenes made it worth my time.  Unfortunately also made me decide that I need two cannon playthroughs branching at the Inquisition level.  One Elven and one Human....


I know right!? I just spent over 100 hours playing through and I can't help but dedicate another 100 on the other romance...who needs a life anyway? Oh right...having a job kinda is important...

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Cullen was totally adorable too. The whole scene in the Chantry in Skyhold where he doesn't want to send you back out to face Corypheus gets me every time. I think though, despite the heartbreak, Solas felt more 'real'. Maybe it was all the time spent asking questions about the Fade and whatnot, but I felt much more in tune to his moods. I admit though, The Ironbull romance cracks me up and will always be something of a favorite.

 

That's the beautiful thing about how these games are designed.  We, as the players, can create a character, choose it's dialogue choices (in effect, cementing them as a certain "type" of person), and then head-canon all the little intricacies about them, how they interact with others, who they connect with, the backstory to why they do what they do, etc, etc, etc.

 

My Levellan, for me, felt INTEGRAL to the main story and to Solas.  There is something more there, all the layers, like a delicious Thedas-lore cheesecake.  But, I have made a second Levellan, and her attitude is different from my canon one, and so she's going to relate differently to the store, even though she's Dalish like the last one I made, I just... there's just... SO MUCH ONE CAN PUT INTO THIS.

 

Each romance for me, is special in it's own right, even if we don't like all the details or outcomes, because these characters are created with very human flaws, the same ones we deal with regularly in real life, no one is perfect, and people do really shi**y things for what seem like "good" reasons.  That's just it, though!  They are HUMAN decisions, imperfect at their core; even with the best intentions, there can be huge oversights-and catastrophic repercussions.  Choosing to link your character to one of these creatures just adds dimension to your experience, and to your own imagination.

 

... does any of that make sense?  Or should I lay off the coffee for the rest of the day?


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I forced myself to play a human so I wouldn't be tempted by Solas in my Cullen run.  Happy to say that after a bit those totally adorable scenes made it worth my time.  Unfortunately also made me decide that I need two cannon playthroughs branching at the Inquisition level.  One Elven and one Human....

 

Ditto on needing two cannon PTs for the same reason >< Also I am afraid my current one with Dorian will also become a cannon one for me... though at some point it completely undermines the whole point of having a cannon PT lol


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Alright. If that is the case and you basically try to substitute the original DA wiki for improved usability I suggest to just follow your idea and try it. I personally cannot contribute to the theory craftingTM anyway.

 

How do you picture to go on with the lore part? Just copy & paste from the wiki? Rewrite? And who would do that?

 

So the next step would be that the people make a page for their theory and add it to the wiki. Once the pages are online the collective intelligence can go ahead and tag them with the matching category. My gut feeling tells me that this ("the people") means the inevitable death for the whole idea. :D

I could try and collect all the codex entries I can find and sort them into categories...

 

I'm not good with theories, but I want to help  ^_^


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Ditto on needing two cannon PTs for the same reason >< Also I am afraid my current one with Dorian will also become a cannon one for me... though at some point it completely undermines the whole point of having a cannon PT lol

 

I told myself for the rest I would just youtube. Kind of glad I skipped Iron Bull, thought Sera was pretty nifty, really enjoyed Josephine.  Haven't seen the other three yet.  



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Each romance for me, is special in it's own right, even if we don't like all the details or outcomes, because these characters are created with very human flaws, the same ones we deal with regularly in real life, no one is perfect, and people do really shi**y things for what seem like "good" reasons.  That's just it, though!  They are HUMAN decisions, imperfect at their core; even with the best intentions, there can be huge oversights-and catastrophic repercussions.  Choosing to link your character to one of these creatures just adds dimension to your experience, and to your own imagination.
 
... does any of that make sense?  Or should I lay off the coffee for the rest of the day?


Makes so much sense. I love the way Bioware makes the romances imperfect. A perfect romance isn't realistic at all. The fact that the choices made affect entire nations and not just the relationship just makes it more epic and terrifying and rewarding. Each romance could possibly fail if something doesn't work right. I very much disagree with Solas disliking the Wardens so much, I certainly wasn't going to exile them just to make him happy...but that could've been talked out had he not...you know..left lol. Etcetc
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Did your Lavellan go through a personality change at all during their Inquisition time? Were they stoic from start to finish? Or did something happen along the way that made you change the way you played?

 

Terrwyn is a mix of mom and snark, and she pretty much stayed the same except got a bit more cynical, especially about her own people. She loves them dearly, but being on the outside and seeing them without her blinders crushed her. She was just done with their bullshit. Dorian, Cassandra and Cullen share similar views on their homeland or organization - they love their people, but they must change for the better; Terrwyn took a leaf from their book: you can be disappointed in them and still want what's best and more importantly: be that person to make the change. She becomes a great deal more determined.


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Just gonna put this here as food for thought. I think this kinda applies to a lot of is. (Could also apply to the Morrigan romance from DA:O)

No idea how to imbed videos, so here's a link! :)

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=mX_CCUUHcjc
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So... I restarted my game (again) because I couldn't justify why my Lavellan had Ghilan'nain inked all over her face...
I am hopeless.
<_<
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Alright. If that is the case and you basically try to substitute the original DA wiki for improved usability I suggest to just follow your idea and try it. I personally cannot contribute to the theory craftingTM anyway.

 

How do you picture to go on with the lore part? Just copy & paste from the wiki? Rewrite? And who would do that?

 

So the next step would be that the people make a page for their theory and add it to the wiki. Once the pages are online the collective intelligence can go ahead and tag them with the matching category. My gut feeling tells me that this ("the people") means the inevitable death for the whole idea. :D

 

Hahah well that's the whole thing, isn't it.

 

I can't do it by myself, so I suppose it's up to everyone who is interested.

 

People have moved on from the topic of conversation so I think we'll have to wait to do anything further until those interested in working on it are back online.



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Just gonna put this here as food for thought. I think this kinda applies to a lot of is. (Could also apply to the Morrigan romance from DA:O)

No idea how to imbed videos, so here's a link! :)

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=mX_CCUUHcjc

Omg I had a serious love affair with this song from that movie back in the day.

 

I kinda wanna see/make a solas video with this song. Maybe this is how I will be spending my Friday night. My boyfriend will be thrilled... !


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So I just finished The Masked Empire. Very interesting stuff and Patrick's writing style is quite enjoyable. 

Felassan was definitely the crown jewel for me. I loved all the stories he told Briala about ancient elves and Fen'Harel. Their relationship was endearing. The rest of my thoughts would be in the spoiler tag.

 

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At the same time, quite a few of the females are guys wanting to romance Sera :)

 

I saw a guy that created a female elf to 'bang Solas' (his words, not mine XD). LOL, if only.   


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Omg I had a serious love affair with this song from that movie back in the day.

I kinda wanna see/make a solas video with this song. Maybe this is how I will be spending my Friday night. My boyfriend will be thrilled... !

Do iiiiit! Cause really, pretty much all of us would search all across Thedas to find him again, whether to kiss or slap him, either way :)

Also, would totally read any fanfic based on this song... >.>
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Just gonna put this here as food for thought. I think this kinda applies to a lot of is. (Could also apply to the Morrigan romance from DA:O)

No idea how to imbed videos, so here's a link! :)

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=mX_CCUUHcjc

 

Holy **** what is this eargasm I'm having. 

 

So... I restarted my game (again) because I couldn't justify why my Lavellan had Ghilan'nain inked all over her face...
I am hopeless.
<_<

 

*pats head* It's okay. I restarted Terrwyn 40 hours in because something about her face kept bothering me. XD

 

Solas: I must tell you the truth.

Solas: Your face.

Me: SHUT UP I KNOW i got it...*restarts*


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Theory is kept separate from Lore.

 

Lore is one organized area for codex entries. Similar (and mostly taken from) the actual wiki, but organized easier for cross referencing lore for theory building.

 

<snip snip snip>

 

And yes, it really is just taking information from the other wiki, we would just be organizing it into a wiki that makes it easier for US. I find the actual wiki endlessly frustrating.

 

And of course this is all just my idea, I certainly am not the authority on how to organize wikis. I am happy to let someone else organize it. :)

 

*clings to Ave and sobs*

 

This is exactly what we need: someone willing to march into the room of milling, disorganized mad scientists and shout "OK!   Orderly lines, everyone!  You got a crackpot theory about who Tyrrda's leaf-eared lover might be?  YOU PUT IT HERE.  You there, in the back!  I see you trying to stuff your magic theory into the History section.  It goes over there, where people can find it!"

 

Nobody is going to be upset about imposing some structure, I promise.  @w@   And nothing has to be carved in stone, so no pressure about having to think through every possible category- we can always tweak whatever we start with based on what it looks like we need as we go.  It just gives us something to work from.  

 

There's a lot of useless flotsam and weak cross-referencing in the "official" DA wiki, but the core codex entries should be usable and might save us a lot of time and duplicative effort, if there's an easy way to link into them.  If not, we'll just start up the cut 'n paste and make our own pages as necessary.  

 

I'm screwed for time until later tonight, but will be back to start stuffing and linking when I can.  


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Example

 

Theory

Hand-crafted theories, created by posters in the Solas thread. Must be documented with any specific codex, screenshot, art, etc, that is directly referenced by theory.  Must be as clear and concise as possible within reason.

 

Lore

 

·         Organized into main categories

·         Relevant codex entries should be grouped on one page per category

·         Major categories should be as simplified as possible

 

Examples

 

Races                    Magic                    Geography        

Elves                     The Fade             Thedas

Humans                Lyrium                  Tevinter

Qunari                   The Blight            The Deep Roads

Dwarves                Runes                  Orlais

 

 

Then, further, each “category” would be broken down.

 

Elves

§  History

·         Ancient History (One page with any codex entries related to the ancient history of the elves- on one page so that by reading you could get a somewhat clear picture of the history of the elves)

·         Modern History (One page with any codex entries related to the current history of the elves- could be broken down further to separate the Dalish from the City elves.

§  Religion

·         The Pantheon (One page with any codex entries related to the pantheon as a whole.)

¨       Each member of the pantheon would have a corresponding page listing all codex entries that are specific to that particular member. Ex. Solas, Fen’Harel, The Dread Wolf- would have one page that would list any codex entries related to him specifically, in an order that makes sense. 


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Sooo... is there like a "how to wikia" thing anywhere? 

 

There's probably a wikia on how to wikia.


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I told myself for the rest I would just youtube. Kind of glad I skipped Iron Bull, thought Sera was pretty nifty, really enjoyed Josephine.  Haven't seen the other three yet.  

 

Yea, I think Dorian is going to be my last one which I think is fitting because Cullen, Solas, and Dorian are my favoritest so it seems fitting in a way. Still tempted by Cass though, I have watched her whole one on youtube lol. I like IB and find him interesting but I have no interest in his romance, and none of the others have any interest for me. Josie was sort of ruined because that was the one my husband did, and it was all nice and stuff but near the end I made an off-hand observation which made him realize she has the same personality as an ex of his... which was hilarious for me, a bit less so for him ;) But even so that kind of killed any possibility of doing her romance. Plus I have a hard time being ok with the whole duel thing ><

 

Makes so much sense. I love the way Bioware makes the romances imperfect. A perfect romance isn't realistic at all. The fact that the choices made affect entire nations and not just the relationship just makes it more epic and terrifying and rewarding. Each romance could possibly fail if something doesn't work right. I very much disagree with Solas disliking the Wardens so much, I certainly wasn't going to exile them just to make him happy...but that could've been talked out had he not...you know..left lol. Etcetc

 

I would have loved to have a real conversation with him about that, but it wouldn't have been possible because I think some of his extreme dislike of them is tied up with his things and since we don't know about that stuff being able to have any sort of real convo about it would have been really limited at best.

 

Just gonna put this here as food for thought. I think this kinda applies to a lot of is. (Could also apply to the Morrigan romance from DA:O)

No idea how to imbed videos, so here's a link! :)

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=mX_CCUUHcjc

 

I'm stuck at work with no youtubes, what is it?



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There's probably a wikia on how to wikia.

 

I know you were being helpful, but this cracked me the hell up :)


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