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[MWImexico]

Hu? I was walking in Val Royeaux after defeating Corypheus then I heard this conversation between two mens, it triggered when my Inquisitor passed near the shop that's in front of the tavern.

-You're worrying Madame with your shouting during the night, not to mention the other servants.
-I can't help it Sire, a woman comes to me in my dreams, she whispers things.
-You mustn't say that, not in public, people will think that you are taken by a demon.
-She's not a demon Sire, she says her name is Mythal, but ...I will be quiet.

Has anyone heard this conversation before the end of the game? Because, you know, Mythal is supposed to be dead after that, is this a bug?

[HurricaneGinger]

Hu? I was walking in Val Royeaux after defeating Corypheus then I heard this conversation between two mens, it triggered when my Inquisitor passed near the shop that's in front of the tavern.

-You're worrying Madame with your shouting during the night, not to mention the other servants.
-I can't help it Sire, a woman comes to me in my dreams, she whispers things.
-You mustn't say that, not in public, people will think that you are taken by a demon.
-She's not a demon Sire, she says her name is Mythal, but ...I will be quiet.

Has anyone heard this conversation before the end of the game? Because, you know, Mythal is supposed to be dead after that, is this a bug?

 

I thought that too, but it's ambient convo.

[Suketchi]

I only take comfort in the fact maybe the well-drinkage could help rummage up hints, but WHO KNOWS.. /pray for DLC

 

*praying fervently* 

 

[MWImexico]

I thought that too, but it's ambient convo.

 

Oh, ok. So this can't be taken as a proof of her potential survival. Thanks

[_Lucinia]

Oh, ok. So this can't be taken as a proof of her potential survival. Thanks

I know I've overheard that convo in at least one of my play throughs.  I don't play post-game so it had to be before killing Corypheus.

[The Oracle]

Slightly off topic (very off topic actually) but is there any information about how large Thedas (or even specific regions like Ferelden or Antiva) are? Is there any reliable canon source for say, how long it would take to walk from Haven to Redcliffe? It's been annoying me. I'm writing some fanfics (Solas ones so I didn't feel too bad asking here ^.^) and I'm not sure if my characters should be taking days to get there, or just an afternoon. Any help or pointers to info would be great!

[HurricaneGinger]

 

 

What the ****** **** is that staff I WANT IT. 

[vierrae]

Hu? I was walking in Val Royeaux after defeating Corypheus then I heard this conversation between two mens, it triggered when my Inquisitor passed near the shop that's in front of the tavern.

-You're worrying Madame with your shouting during the night, not to mention the other servants.
-I can't help it Sire, a woman comes to me in my dreams, she whispers things.
-You mustn't say that, not in public, people will think that you are taken by a demon.
-She's not a demon Sire, she says her name is Mythal, but ...I will be quiet.

Has anyone heard this conversation before the end of the game? Because, you know, Mythal is supposed to be dead after that, is this a bug?

Elaborated this waaaay before, yeah

[BubbleDncr]

Oh, Solas, claiming that you can't translate things. It's quite cute, really.
 

 

In his defense, "indecipherable" could mean it was written in poor handwriting, or was worn away, scratched out, etc... 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I doubt the Inquisitor could make that connection unless she's like Sherlock Lavellan and making totally ridiculous leaps.  

 

So the original concept for my Inquisitor was born out of Sherlock Holmes, someone who does make those incredible mental connections and leaps.  Not much of it has survived into her final incarnation (she's definitely more Molly now), but still.

 

I headcanon that she works out some of what's up with Solas after he leaves.  She's young enough to let her emotions cloud her judgment while they're together (hilariously making him the Irene Adler for her), but once he's gone, everything he leaves behind is a puzzle to be solved.  She worked out he was the Dread Wolf pretty quickly.  The rest of it (the orb, his future plans) continues to elude her for a bit.

[electricfish]

Slightly off topic (very off topic actually) but is there any information about how large Thedas (or even specific regions like Ferelden or Antiva) are? Is there any reliable canon source for say, how long it would take to walk from Haven to Redcliffe? It's been annoying me. I'm writing some fanfics (Solas ones so I didn't feel too bad asking here ^.^) and I'm not sure if my characters should be taking days to get there, or just an afternoon. Any help or pointers to info would be great!

Supposedly it's a day to travel by boat between Redcliffe and the Mage Tower on the other side of Lake Calenhad. I guess you could extrapolate from that when you look at the map of Ferelden?

[Suketchi]

No. The inquisitor would not know more than before you saw the epilogue. As players, we could see all the events beyond the character's perspective. Significantly more so if you read the books. It's called Dramatic irony. 

 

Hey, it could happen! Solas and Cole have a lot of banter that is especially telling, and after that conversation he had with Morrigan, Lavellan might have suspected something... I think it could be possible for her to guess at his identity.

[_Lucinia]

What the ****** **** is that staff I WANT IT. 

http://dragonage.wik...chanter's_Staff

 

But I have changed the grip and blade.  I am sorry I don't remember exactly what I modified it with.  

 

edit:  Going to start up the game and check for you, gimme a few minutes.  I'll edit this post again with what I used.

edit#2: Masterwork Notched Staff Grip (It's a Tier 2 schematic) and Masterwork Magister Staff Blade (Tier 2 as well)

 

[drake2511]

i want to help with the wiki thing but I'm not smart enough. I'll... uhm... help by encouraging you! Go SOLASSIANS!


 

[Rabbitonfire]

Slightly off topic (very off topic actually) but is there any information about how large Thedas (or even specific regions like Ferelden or Antiva) are? Is there any reliable canon source for say, how long it would take to walk from Haven to Redcliffe? It's been annoying me. I'm writing some fanfics (Solas ones so I didn't feel too bad asking here ^.^) and I'm not sure if my characters should be taking days to get there, or just an afternoon. Any help or pointers to info would be great!

Pretty big. Seneschal Varel said it was a week from Vigil's Keep to Amaranthine (from center to north). This is a very small portion of Ferelden. Let's assume that the horses generally walk 3mph (or 2km) and they don't stop between sunrise to sundown.I'm too lazy to do math. Someone else can take over.

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

 

Edit: you know what? Just go here:http://dragonage.wik...ig_is_Ferelden?

[The Oracle]

Supposedly it's a day to travel by boat between Redcliffe and the Mage Tower on the other side of Lake Calenhad. I guess you could extrapolate from that when you look at the map of Ferelden?

 

Thanks. I did a little snooping and found this thread. After a bit of a headache trying to sort through the theories, everyone seemed to come to a rough agreement. It's actually pretty well thought out and researched for anyone interested. :-)

 

(Edit: Forgot the link, Doh! http://dragonage.wik...ig_is_Ferelden? )

[OxidantsHappen]

Brainsquirt time.

Yet Another Theory on DWARVES and THE STONE

 

 

 

How can the Stone be simultaneously everywhere and in one place? There is a core. Think AI core. Think cybernetics.

 

We have speculated that 'The Stone' was crafted by June. Move away from the traditional, medieval idea of crafting from metals. June was interested in the ideas her Pantheon brethren were interested in - manipulation of spirits, godhood, and the ultimate goal of true immortality. But she took a different path than Ghilan'nain's trapping of spirits from the fade. June set out to see if she could artificially create life. Actual lives, who would devotedly worship her for eternity. 

 

From a core consciousness, veins of lyrium would grow throughout the planet - a global neural network. What these lyrium veins are made of is debatable - perhaps they are condensed fade particles? Or simply a product of June's own magic-infused craft. Whatever it is resembles artificial plasma used in cybernetics to imitate blood - particularly, that liquid which serves as conduit for mental synapses connecting, transferring vast amounts of data. This also works for the "flooding" with lyrium of a golem shell to bring it to life. 

 

 

 

Look at that mangled wave. When humans and elves touch lyrium, skin-to-skin, they suffer. But dwarves are at least resistant to the effects. Lyrium's 'song' is the stream of artificial consciousness, which is on a very slightly different frequency than that of 'biological' life forms. Skin is but a slither of membrane potentially connecting two consciousnesses. In theory, perhaps, there may be rare circumstances where data can be transferred from 'The Stone' to 'biological' life forms. 

Which leads me onto the existence of dwarves as life forms... which may not be popular. 'Cybernetics' is a broad term, concerned with the way systems work, the way they govern themselves, and the way they process information. These systems can include what is typically seen as machine, or a human body. This area tries not to have bias towards either the mechanical or the biological. 

 

 

The conclusion is... dwarves were mostly biological beings crafted for the purpose of being capable of interacting with and experiencing the physical world - though connected to 'The Stone' instead of the fade. When a dwarf conceives a child, a data package with size equivalent to a soul is 'downloaded' into a growing body. When a dwarf dies, it's 'soul' - it's consciousness - is uploaded to 'The Stone'. 

 

Paragons are revered so greatly due to the contribution they have made to the collective consciousness on returning. High achievers are only made paragons on death because of this. Life in the physical world continues to have value, collecting information and experience with each lifespan. This may explain the anxiety dwarves have regarding the surface, too. Dwarves may still return to 'The Stone' when they die, but so much experience with other races and cultures is perhaps not relevant to the collective 'dwarf' consciousness. The data's lack of use for dwarven society in particular lessens the whole. 

The term 'Cybernetics' comes from the greek for 'helmsman', 'controller' or 'governance'. Dwarves refer to 'The Stone' as 'she'. I theorise that June, in order to assure success, included her own consciousness/spirit in the process. The core deep under Orlais may be where she initiated this. 

If darkspawn reached the core in order to infect it with 'Blight'.... it may be a slow chain reaction in corrupting all 'The Stone's lyrium 'neural network'. Red lyrium may be found in places where the infection has spread. 

 

 

With any localised infection, we may cut the bad limb off or suck out the poison in order to keep the body healthy. Profane are the 'bad limbs'. The Blight, however, infects the very 'spirit'.... something which cannot simply be cut out. Yet, the slow spread and accumulation of Red Lyrium on the surface may indicate 'The Stone' working overtime to flush it out... like puss spilling from an infected wound. 

 

This theory gives more weight to existing debates within Thedas. We may agree with Solas' unfavorable opinions on the Qun - a way of life for those who, for whatever reason, choose to give up their individuality for the greater good. Yet what of those whose 'collectiveness' cannot possibly be a choice? That for dwarves, it may be a part of their very existence? Are we still to tell them that the way they live is not the correct way? 

 

Aaand that's all I have for now. Disclaimer: not expert in any of these things, just a fan. 

 

Im 30 pages behind so this is really late but I need to quote this because just pressing "Like" DOES NOT PROPERLY EXPRESS MY FEELINGS.  

 

There really needs to be a "Get down on one knee and propose with your great-grandmother's ring to this" option for posts next to the "Like this" option.

This post is brilliant. You are brilliant.  I know diddly-squat about cyber-stuff and my knowledge of technology is limited to the on/off button of devices that have pretty lights, so I can't contribute anything but it's so fascinating to read.  Write more! (This kind of stuff is like "smutty fanfic" to me. I know I have a problem)

[TanisLave]

I'm watching X-files.

 

And for some reason I'm imagining Lavellan (Mulder) and Varric (Scully) trying to piece together Solas being the dread wolf. 

[_Lucinia]

Elaborated this waaaay before, yeah

In this person's defense they more than likely didn't see the post where it was brought up before.  

 

This thread moves so fast that topics and theories get repeated.  Fan art does as well.  

[LliiraAnna]

Alright, it's finished. Hope I uploaded it in the right way. 

 

Elven codexes only. I may have missed something, but it's more of a test run. After downloading, you can Ctrl-click on things in the table of contents to get to the codex entry you need. 

 

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

Next on the list... humans, I think.

 

Time to sleep

[Rabbitonfire]

While looking at thedas, it turns out that there are two moons but it has always been portrayed as only having one.

[vierrae]

In this person's defense they more than likely didn't see the post where it was brought up before.  

 

This thread moves so fast that topics and theories get repeated.  Fan art does as well.  

Um... I'm being rude, am I not?.. Lots of sorries, then, was not intended

 

 

Alright, it's finished. Hope I uploaded it in the right way. 

 

Elven codexes only. I may have missed something, but it's more of a test run. After downloading, you can Ctrl-click on things in the table of contents to get to the codex entry you need.

 

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

Time to sleep

Just.. wow, great work. This really simplifies things. But it'd be a hell of a task to gather all  theories from this topic.

Modifié par vierra, 16 janvier 2015 - 11:07 .

[NightSymphony]

Speaking of fan art...someone drew the Elven Pantheon

 

http://mevanna.devia...theon-507505009

[Rabbitonfire]

If there were a drawing chatroom, how many would be interested in it?

[Kittn]

So, huddled here under my blanket, I've been thinking about what Tiger endured before the breakup. I somehow managed to pick every stinking option that allowed Abelas to remind her that she is Not. His. People. Distinctly similar to the conversation with Solas after the winter palace, but this time these words were aimed directly at her and I imagine they felt like knives in her heart.

I also imagine her walking through that temple, eyes wide with amazement and misting with tears as she beheld just a tiny bit of what was lost to the her kind. Only to hear those words repeated in her head until she felt like a filthy trespasser, looking in on a past she is not entitled to.

At the well, Abelas acknowledges Solas as Elvhen, and Solas tells him that there are places where their people carry on. For some stupid reason, my brain dismissed that as the Dalish because I was too busy being sad for my Lavellan.

However, since they went so far out of their way to point out that their people are not the Dalish... the next logical question is: Where are they?

We already know who they are talking about - ancient elves, but not where they are. If all of his ancient peers were sealed away, unreachable, why would he tell Abelas that they can be found? And if not all of them were sealed, who remains free? It's possible Solas was referring to more Sentinel-like ancient elves, tucked away in a temple someplace. However, Abelas did specifically ask, "Elvhen such as you?"

I wonder...