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ZerebusPrime

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SOLAS BETTER BE IN THIS DLC I SWEAR IF HE IS NOT IN THE FADE I'LL LOSE MY SH*T

 

http://www.reddit.co...rhm9z?context=3

 

"New party banter has been added to encourage players to leave the Hinterlands at level 5."  HA!

 

"Scout Harding can now be romanced by male dwarves."  WOOT!

 

"Mother Giselle can now be romanced by female qunari."  I... wait what?

 

And then the whole thing descended into obvious fraudulence.  As if boosting Xbox One resolution with the power of the cloud wasn't enough to raise an eyebrow.  I actually fell for it for about a whole minute, though.


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For some reason, I'd like to see Kieran as a adult.. and see what he is like.

 

Why? WHO KNOWS, but I think he'd be a super cool mage-dude, like his mum


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Ok I just now caught up with this thread and I saw that some amazing people are doing a website thing to keep track of the theory-crafting? I have just finished my complete and comprehensive biochemical analysis of magic in Thedas, but I don't really wan't to post it here because it's REALLY long. I have no life. I know.

I have made alterations and corrections to my Kossith theory after @Caddius pointed out some of the flaws regarding the Kocari Wilds colony. I have also updated my thermodynamic theory to be inclusionary of those infected with red lyrium.  Would the new theory wiki be the proper place to post it?


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For some reason, I'd like to see Kieran as a adult.. and see what he is like.

 

Why? WHO KNOWS, but I think he'd be a super cool mage-dude, like his mum

Too many variables. Kieran is optional though the probability of him existing is higher. At most there would be a footnote. We might be lucky if we could briefly see him like conner. btw, I feel really bad for conner. 



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For some reason, I'd like to see Kieran as a adult.. and see what he is like.

 

Why? WHO KNOWS, but I think he'd be a super cool mage-dude, like his mum

 

I would love to see a dragon age game where we start as a kid. Well, young teen, maybe a little bit older than Kieran. Old enough to be an apprentice at some craft. Maybe at some castle somewhere, and your race determines what exactly your standing is there. If Kieran exists, you get an extra bonus 'party' member along with whatever other kids you have.

 

Eventually there would be a time skip and you'd continue the story as adults. But I always thought it'd be cool to have a dragon age game where you could tell sort of the story that DAII wanted to tell [progression of an area over time], but with more of dramatic character changes. 


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#56931
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It's like you described Fable 3. 


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For some reason, I'd like to see Kieran as a adult.. and see what he is like.

 

Why? WHO KNOWS, but I think he'd be a super cool mage-dude, like his mum

I don't know why, but I feel like he'd be a mix of Nathaniel Howe and Solas. Morrigan says he is polite and well spoken. Since Morrigan is trying not to be a shitty mother, I imagine he'll keep those qualities as he gets older. If he had an old god soul inside of him, who knows how he'll think of those dream memories as an adult. He could be fascinated, like Solas would be, or a bit disconcerted about them and quiet about how they affected him. Like somewhat-broody Nathaniel.

I'm pretty sure I'm projecting though. It's been awhile since I've played DAA so I don't have as firm a grasp on Nathaniel's personality as I would like.



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Aw geez. Honestly that theory brought comfort during that sh*tstorm no matter how crazy the idea was.

 

I started playing ME quite late (early enough to see the pre-EC ending but late enough that everything had blown over) so I missed all the drama.



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It's like you described Fable 3. 

 

It would be like fable, except with likable characters. 


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Well...I liked the Fade in DA2 and Inquisition. <.< I like the Fade run in DAO the first 2 times, but it's just so tedious.

 

I must be one of the few people who enjoyed the DA:O Fade.  Not the look, the wibble made my eyes hurt.  But I love puzzles.

 

I started playing ME quite late (early enough to see the pre-EC ending but late enough that everything had blown over) so I missed all the drama.

 

I wish I'd done this.  But NOOOOO, I had to go and be a fan during all the hype.  At least I got dem Garrus smooches.  Garrus Vakarian, the original dipkiss love interest  :wub:



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From a couple pages back, I know, but:
 

Speaking of the fear demon... does anyone know what Solas says after the fear demon talks to him... or even what the demon says? iirc the demon talked in elvish too.

There's this amazing blog on tumblr where someone is trying to figure out the structure and vocabulary of elvhen so that people can use it themselves (pretty sure they have legit linguistics training, because this is very impressive). Here's their translation of what the fear demon says. You can go to the page to see all of the steps and translations laid out, but here's the final product:

 

Fear: "Dirth ma, harellan. Ma banal enasalin. Mar solas ena mar din."

Speak, rebel! You care for nothing but victory. Your pride will be your death.

 

Solas: "Banal nadas."

Nothing is inevitable

 

They also have a breakdown of the translation of what Solas says to Abelas

 

"'Ma'las 'a'melin ne ha'lam, Abelas."

This hope of mine that your name will be new, Abelas.

 

or (as he says): I hope you find a new name, Abelas.

 

And a fun side-note:

 

The verb to be is used here instead of the verb to find (vena), because Abelas will not be physically finding anything or finding anything in addition to what he already has. The verb, vena is only used when talking about physical items, or talking about gaining or finding something in addition to what the subject already has. For example, is Solas wished for Abelas to find a second name, he would use the verb vena. 

 

Which would read as:

'Ma'las venas ta'melin. (I hope you find a second name.) 

This would be a round-about way, possibly, of Solas hoping that Abelas gets married. As I would imagine ta’melin would refer to the object’s or subject’s surname. 

 

 

And finally, ages and ages ago I brought up the Portuguese word "Saudade" (the intense feeling of missing someone who might never return) in the context of the Solas romance, and they talk about it too! And in their analysis they discuss how elvhen similarly has very poetic words for complex feelings, and they created a couple of elvhen words as examples.

 

Lath’sal’in
the act of fondling someone’s hair, especially someone you care about. Lit. “Love the house of the soul.”

 

Mi’nas’sal’in
the intense feeling of missing something or someone that is deeply important or personal. Lit. “The knife again in my soul.”

 


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I started playing ME quite late (early enough to see the pre-EC ending but late enough that everything had blown over) so I missed all the drama.

The drama was interesting. 



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"New party banter has been added to encourage players to leave the Hinterlands at level 5."  HA!

 

"Scout Harding can now be romanced by male dwarves."  WOOT!

 

"Mother Giselle can now be romanced by female qunari."  I... wait what?

 

And then the whole thing descended into obvious fraudulence.  As if boosting Xbox One resolution with the power of the cloud wasn't enough to raise an eyebrow.  I actually fell for it for about a whole minute, though.

It was a bit believable, but then they called Imshael Ishmael.  And yeah like you said it descended pretty quickly, lol.  



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Its odd, but I actually have fond memories of the end of ME3 drama. I was following that forum group with the guy that got the copy from outerspace. We were up all night listening to him reporting back, and then he beat the game and we started to get a picture of what the ending was. He started datamining.

 

It was still a few days from release, and everyone was predicting what would happen to the community when this knowledge got out. 

 

It was so surreal. All of it. The petitions, the cupcakes, the speed of the forum on those first couple of weeks. At the time everyone was mad, but I am kind of glad I was there to see it. I can't imagine there's been many events like that. 



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I must be one of the few people who enjoyed the DA:O Fade.  Not the look, the wibble made my eyes hurt.  But I love puzzles.


I did..it was always one of my favorite quests in the game....I must be weird. Now, the tedious grinding in the deep roads, ugh...
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Fear: "Dirth ma, harellan. Ma banal enasalin. Mar solas ena mar din."

Speak, rebel! You care for nothing but victory. Your pride will be your death.

 

Solas: "Banal nadas."

Nothing is inevitable[

 

Oh FFS, Solas.  If you die doing whatever it is you're doing, Lavellan will be so mad at you.  There will be some serious Orpheus and Eurydice shenanigans, except instead of sweet singing, it will be all the angry yelling.  She will literally yell you back into existence against all the laws of the cosmos, then punch you in the face.

 

EDIT because writing moronic banter makes me happy:

 

Lavellan: Look, I get that you're the creepy "Friend of the Dead" and probably really pissed off at Solas, but give me my f***ing boyfriend back!

Falon'Din: No.

Lavellan:  OK, buddy.  Your funeral.  *screams Bananaphone at the top of her lungs*

 

Several hours later...

Falon'Din:  Mercy!  Mercy!  The Dread Wolf is yours, just stop that infernal racket!  Oh, and don't look back at him until you're out of the Fade.  Or he'll disappear or something.  Ugh, this headache.

Lavellan:  See?  This was so f***ing easy.  We out.

Solas: Vhenan, I--

Lavellan: Solas, if you don't STFU right now I will punch the living daylights out of you.  I will then lock you in a tiny closet with Sera, some silly string, and a bag of pure sugar.

Solas: ...

Lavellan:  I might also punch you anyway.


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I did..it was always one of my favorite quests in the game....I must be weird. Now, the tedious grinding in the deep roads, ugh...

Ditto for me.  It's the Deep Roads that always held me back from replays.  


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I started playing ME quite late (early enough to see the pre-EC ending but late enough that everything had blown over) so I missed all the drama.

I had pre-ordered ME3.  I was too busy with other games to play it when it was first released.  And then the explosion happened.  The level of the backlash had me scared to play the game.  It sat on my shelf for a year.  I won't get into my thoughts on anything, because it serves no purpose.  But when I finally did play it, I was very upset with myself for avoiding it for so long.  

 

edit: Aww man double post.  Here's a Solas to make up for it.

 

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The ME drama was terrible.  And there were individuals who fomented it on purpose, playing all sides against each other including the moderators.  Also, the Liara thread.  Indoctrination Theorists had to jump ship despite having a solid case (yes, even after every successive DLC where people said that BioWare canned the Idoc Theory, the case actually only grew stronger --- loud naysayers can work faster than theorycrafters can dive into new material to research it properly).

 

This thread is better.  Just as many tinfoil hats but none of the drama.

 

Speaking of tinfoil hat ideas, I noticed footage of Abelas getting killed earlier today and saw that he had the same smokey eyes that Solas does after he "kills" Flemmeth.  Implications?  I have no idea.


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Ditto for me.  It's the Deep Roads that always held me back from replays.  

This I agree with. I appreciate that they tried to draw out the build to horror you eventually find down there, but that was just awful to do after 9834 playthroughs. I liked the puzzles the Fade quest had to break it up, but there was just nothing about the Deep Roads that distracted as well.


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Hm, does Kieran have a soul now? Or did he have two all along? 



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I had pre-ordered ME3.  I was too busy with other games to play it when it was first released.  And then the explosion happened.  The level of the backlash had me scared to play the game.  It sat on my shelf for a year.  I won't get into my thoughts on anything, because it serves no purpose.  But when I finally did play it, I was very upset with myself for avoiding it for so long.


I did the whole series all in one go after everything already came out. They had that trilogy release with the dlc. So nice not having to suffer for ages between games, like I am now waiting to find out what happens to Solas :(

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Oh FFS, Solas.  If you die doing whatever it is you're doing, Lavellan will be so mad at you.  There will be some serious Orpheus and Eurydice shenanigans, except instead of sweet singing, it will be all the angry yelling.  She will literally yell you back into existence against all the laws of the cosmos, then punch you in the face.

 

EDIT because writing moronic banter makes me happy:

 

Lavellan: Look, I get that you're the creepy "Friend of the Dead" and probably really pissed off at Solas, but give me my f***ing boyfriend back!

Falon'Din: No.

Lavellan:  OK, buddy.  Your funeral.  *screams Bananaphone at the top of her lungs*

 

Several hours later...

Falon'Din:  Mercy!  Mercy!  The Dread Wolf is yours, just stop that infernal racket!  Oh, and don't look back at him until you're out of the Fade.  Or he'll disappear or something.  Ugh, this headache.

Lavellan:  See?  This was so f***ing easy.  We out.

Solas: Vhenan, I--

Lavellan: Solas, if you don't STFU right now I will punch the living daylights out of you.  I will then lock you in a tiny closet with Sera, some silly string, and a bag of pure sugar.

Solas: ...

Lavellan:  I might also punch you anyway.

Why... oh, WHY can't I like this TWICE?!!?!


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Speaking of tinfoil hat ideas, I noticed footage of Abelas getting killed earlier today and saw that he had the same smokey eyes that Solas does after he "kills" Flemmeth.  Implications?  I have no idea.

 

Well, they're both using Mythal's power so I don't see anything weird there.  :)



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Why... oh, WHY can't I like this TWICE?!!?!

 

That's what I'm here for.  There's the excellent theorycrafting and the wonderful art and the deep heartfelt posts about feels, and then there's me.  And this nonsense  :lol: