Death or Night is pretty different from Fear and Deceit. Also, Falon'Din's guide was an owl or bird. Him being related to wings is not strange in the least.
Fair enough! Could easily be an owl reference. I missed that part of his theory, (was mostly looking to confirm the blight-freed OGS count) but I'm totally on board with Lusacan mapping to Falon'Din. Pretty straightforward, there.
Obviously, I haven't read TME yet, but I'm just wondering....
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Sorry, I'm just really interested in this character.
Just to clarify: the Felassan-suit theory (at least my version? not sure if anyone else was on board) was only a temporary one. He severed Felassan's spirit and used the body to get the passcode from Brialla. Using that, he was then able to recover his original (Dirthamen) body, which had been in uthenera since at least the Fall of Arlathan. Or possibly since the earlier failed rebellion, if he wasn't allowed elvhen form during his initial probation.
...even I'm not entirely on board with that madness. owO But I don't think anyone's suggesting Solas has been walking around as Felassan-minus-the-vallaslin.
It's true! That was one of the first things I noticed about Solas' eyes when we got to view them up close. I wonder if perhaps it's a color unique to ancient elves? I've never seen the option available before now, but with the new CC MANY colors are options that never were before.
Sort of like the unique ancient elf skin tone that male inquisitors have access to but female inquisitors do not? Someone mentioned this in the chat earlier today, but I can't remember who..
Hmm, I don't think purple eyes are necessarily unique to ancient elves. If I remember correctly, one of the Dalish elves who Maric and Loghain met near the beginning of The Stolen Throne had purple eyes. 
(Edit: I just leafed through the book and yes, p75 of The Stolen Throne mentioned the elf having purple eyes.)
And there is an ancient elf skin tone? Ooh!
EDIT: Speaking of eyes, I really enjoyed reading that little part of The Stolen Throne where Maric and Loghain saw the glint of elven eyes amongst the shadows between the trees and likening them to cat eyes. Wish that was implemented into the game. How cool would that be to have our elven PCs have glowing eyes? 
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Ah, I see then. Thank you! I guess I'll just have to use my imagination to fill in the rest on how he looks then. 
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Speaking of tinfoil hat ideas, I noticed footage of Abelas getting killed earlier today and saw that he had the same smokey eyes that Solas does after he "kills" Flemmeth. Implications? I have no idea.
I'm pretty sure it's his essence going to Mythal's well. Let's hope he torments Morrigan in her head.
Let's just hope that Mythal doesn't plan to betray Fen'harel and use her Well of Sorrows puppet to do it, because some of those puppets are Inquisitors.
Let's just hope that Mythal doesn't plan to betray Fen'harel and use her Well of Sorrows puppet to do it, because some of those puppets are Inquisitors.
/sweats
he's 10.
Yeah, hence my exaggerated "ick" /gags
From a couple pages back, I know, but:There's this amazing blog on tumblr where someone is trying to figure out the structure and vocabulary of elvhen so that people can use it themselves (pretty sure they have legit linguistics training, because this is very impressive). Here's their translation of what the fear demon says. You can go to the page to see all of the steps and translations laid out, but here's the final product:
They also have a breakdown of the translation of what Solas says to Abelas
And a fun side-note:
And finally, ages and ages ago I brought up the Portuguese word "Saudade" (the intense feeling of missing someone who might never return) in the context of the Solas romance, and they talk about it too! And in their analysis they discuss how elvhen similarly has very poetic words for complex feelings, and they created a couple of elvhen words as examples.
Ahmg! awesome! I love linguistics so ty a ton 
That's also assuming that people create Inquisitors of their own gender, too. I know of women gamers who prefer roleplaying as men in RPGs.
I'd love to dig into this question a bit more - why do people choose their own gender or the opposite gender? There must be some fascinating reasons out there!
HAHAHAHA. Nope.
*forcibly sits you down with crazy eyes*
The Jungian Fade parallel (with potential bonus weirdness of personal consciousness-as-inverted-veil) is something that hadn't even occurred to me, and it really should have. No idea if intended by the writers, but interesting regardless.
Also, I suspect there's an environmental theme in DA that's just as pointed as Tolkien's Rise of Industry in the finite resource of the Fade- one that's only really lightly hinted at at this point, but is likely to become more clear as we understand the game universe better. Triad magic (by all indications, the most explosively powerful in Thedas) requires a resource that is sacrificed -irrecoverably lost- in the casting of the spell. This finite resource is the life essence of the fade component (Earth) and Mythal's in-game connection to anthracite coal is hard to imagine as accidental. Even non-Triad magic literally draws upon the "soul" of the living world. It is Change at a cost. Magic enacted today lessens what is available tomorrow. Though the underlying reason differs significantly, as with Tolkien, Thedas' decline and transformation into our mundane modern world seems to be both tragic and inevitable.
...with the decidedly more upbeat theme of Choice presented as a less flashy but infinite type of "magic", so it's not all dystopian doom and gloom. Magic was too easy, as Fade-Eden was too easy, but some precious measure persists in the modern day, the great War goes on, etc.
So tell me about csodaszarvas... @w@ The only extensive wikipedia entry is in Hungarian, which is killing me a bit. The halla as guides of the Dalish certainly seems like an apt fit, but is there any additional connection to the significance of a golden halla visiting in times of great need, or do you think that's overlapping mythology tacked on from elsewhere?
Haha. I see I am caught.
Alright, for the Fade/CU theory I'd definitely start by drawing some strong parallels between the Fade and Tel'aran'rhiod, as it has some nuggets that tell me it's all pretty much interconnected. (There are Dreamers who can go there at will, while others need help in getting there, but everyone's dream can theoretically touch it briefly. It's incredibly dangerous to enter the Fade "in the Flesh" but can be done, the consequences include supposedly loosing part of your soul. Thoughts become reality. It reflects the world almost exactly. I could go on.) I'd say intentions aside, the archetype still stands of the Collective Unconscious - the World of Dreams where everything is possible and where everything is a mirror reality to "reality" and where other worlds intersect this world; regardless of it all, that is a useful plot device. If we zoom in on the intrinsic connection the Fade has to magic, that would take me over more fully into Jungian psychology.
Do you sense how incredibly intertextual all of this is? 
I mean, DA in and of itself as mythopoesis which draws on the same sources as all great inspirations, including the myths of humankind, and all of that is represented in the lore of DA itself as a plot device. I really like stories with Fade-type concepts. *academic drool*
Moving on.
Hmm, the struggle of magic/non-magic is a central theme that does not necessarily translate into the Tolkien-esque fading of magic, but in a way industrialism could be posited to be embodied by the dwarves - you could say they are the parallel of alchemists, the beginning explorers of science with an actual inability to touch the Fade and thus wield magic, while working with magical substance that affects them in a unique way. Considering the Tranquil, who are adept at runecrafting, would this mean that magic as an abstract becomes something to be channeled into corporeal form...?The corruption of that would mean.... wait, wait. I'm veering off here. I need to chew on this more before theorying.
What I'm interested in... if we view magic as finite, yet circular... like the One Power that drives the Wheel of Time, it is an endless river, yet the ability to touch it is steadily being reduced to nothing. That makes sense, someone has to fall out of the game for more powerful magic to be wielded in the Balance. Within that, however, you cannot add anything without taking away and vice versa. That would indicate that every lightning bolt just caused something to happen - the wise thing to do would be nothing, yet it is a flowing part of the world that cannot just be staunched with a slap on the wrist and an admonition, it's a need that has to be expressed in the form of magic. Taking the finite quality into consideration, what if the Templars are actually doing incredible harm by making mages Tranquil...? We don't really know the ultimate consequences of such actions. It's true that Cassandra's reveal implies that nothing is permanent, but she says that the entire process changes people who undergo it....
Ahem. Too far down speculation lane. Some new random connections:
Also, the archmage concept - Ged, who at first is arrogant (pride!) and is rebellious in most everything, he creates a shadow that haunts him and causes destruction all around him; it's his reflection, yet it is separate. That sounds like.... abominations!
And I forgot to mention the Game of Houses. The Game. Yes. I don't need to say more, right?
Back to topic:
The csodaszarvas - actually I'm pretty sure there is a connection there. Haha, I know it's tough to find English sources, but luckily you have me!
The legend goes something like this (I'll try to be succinct): Once upon a time the Hungarian people were nomadic (and historically feared by many who they came across) and were lead by great leaders that I'm not sure how I should translate exactly. They were big chiefs of a sort, let's say that for now. Anyway, in legend, we do have a point of origin, but the truth is that no one knows where we came from (perhaps aliens...?); in the legend of the csodaszarvas, there was a king with two sons, Hunor and Magor. (You can detect the etymological foundation of the "Huns" and "Magyars" though the two are basically used interchangeably now, which is technically incorrect. Thus in Hungarian we are the "magyar" people and in English we're Hungarians. *resists linguistic puzzle magnet*)
So the two sons (and their respective hunting parties) went hunting and they came across a pure white stag. It is implied in the legend that it has magical properties, but the point is, they began to hunt it. They never could quite catch it, however: it lead them across mountains, valleys, forests and plains. In the evenings it would vanish without a trace, then the next morning it would appear once more as if from thin air. This went on until finally, far, far away from home, they saw the stag jump into a river in the evening instead of just vanishing.
Hunor and Magor, disgruntled at the lost prize, camped right there and fell asleep. When they awoke the next day, they found themselves in the company of fairies who had risen from the blue waters of the river: the two daughters of the Fairy King to be precise and their entourage, and the two sons fell madly in love. They wed the fairies right there on the spot and settled down, their hunting party marrying the fairies in the Fairy Princess entourage, and thus they built a new home.
This was in the land later known as Pannonia, i.e. the Carpathian basin and where modern day Hungary resides, the river was the Danube. Of course, at the time the kingdom was waaaay bigger, but that's irrelevant to the story.
So, as you can see, the magical stag ("csoda" is not quite magic, I should point out, it literally means something more like "miracle") is responsible for leading the ancestors of the Hungarian people from wherever they came from to some kind of paradise; I would say the parallel between Hungarians and elves is... tenuous, at best, though historically Hungarians are pretty oppressed (yet, at the time they were more like incredible warriors during the time that the legend plays out, i.e. basically the history of oppression and misery starts exactly at 1000 a.d.) but the csodaszarvas sounds a lot like halla to me; guiding the Dalish and their aravels, beings that seemingly have some magical properties despite showing no tangible magic, etc. (Hah! "Tangible" magic.) I think that while halla are more or less common, the fact that the csodaszarvas is unlike any other szarvas (I mean, deer) could very well point to the golden halla, and as it is responsible for leading the Hungarian people to their destined homeland, that's pretty spot on golden halla in my book. The csodaszarvas does not appear really again after that, this was its purpose, yet despite that I'd say it's a good connection - this is kind of viewed as a destiny question as I said, it's where the people must go. I think there is an overlap definitely of other myths and legends that flesh this out a bit, but this is a great place to start.
In short: it's special!!! 
.... I love you. And the Fade as the Collective Unconscious? Ughhh. I think I need a cold shower. Or five.
Please don't stay quiet and you are free to share your amazing, articulate observations WHENEVER.
*blush* I won't stay silent, I promise.
Yeah, hence my exaggerated "ick" /gags
oh i thought you said "lick"
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The ME drama was terrible. And there were individuals who fomented it on purpose, playing all sides against each other including the moderators. Also, the Liara thread. Indoctrination Theorists had to jump ship despite having a solid case (yes, even after every successive DLC where people said that BioWare canned the Idoc Theory, the case actually only grew stronger --- loud naysayers can work faster than theorycrafters can dive into new material to research it properly).
This thread is better. Just as many tinfoil hats but none of the drama.
Speaking of tinfoil hat ideas, I noticed footage of Abelas getting killed earlier today and saw that he had the same smokey eyes that Solas does after he "kills" Flemmeth. Implications? I have no idea.
Regarding Indoctrination Theory:
I spent a blissful week or two aboard the Indoc theory train before crashing back into a mild depression (thank goodness for the Extended Cut). However, I do wonder if the Indoctrination Theory didn't inspire some of the hidden things we're seeing in Inquisition, like the backwards messages at the Well of Sorrows. Kinda cool if so.
Regarding Abelas's eyes:
I thought they looked exactly like Solas's in the epilogue too! I wonder if that means he got Flemeth's knowledge or memories along with her power? It kinda freaks me out he refers to Cole post-epilogue as 'someone that he once cared for'. That implies Solas no longer cares in the present tense. I really hope his personality isn't completely different now.
Regarding Indoctrination Theory:
I spent a blissful week or two aboard the Indoc theory train before crashing back into a mild depression (thank goodness for the Extended Cut).
Regarding Abelas's eyes:
I thought they looked exactly like Solas's in the epilogue too! I wonder if that means he got Flemeth's knowledge or memories along with her power? It kinda freaks me out he refers to Cole post-epilogue as 'someone that he once cared for'. That implies Solas no longer cares in the present tense. I really hope his personality isn't completely different now.
Wait wait wait... I hadn't thought about that... that's... that's depressing 
pffft, you know half those 'male Inquisitors' are just women who want to romance Dorian or Cassandra XD (guilty)
Also, how many of those are people who accidentally created a male because they were confused by the creation process (guilty)
Anyways, that statistic tells you nothing of the actual gender of the players, just the gender of the Inquisitors created.
Agree. Plus I made also male to romance dorian LOL and I know a friend who made a female to romance iron bull and he is male so.. yes..
Obviously, I haven't read TME yet, but I'm just wondering....
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Sorry, I'm just really interested in this character.
There's not much that the book says with regards to his appearance, except that
I regret nothing.
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Tonight has been awful for me.. but after seeing this picture.. I feel happier now... *_*
@Missy, ugh I am all sad and depressed now... there's just sooo much bad potential there
Since this thread goes so fast I'll repost this for those have not seen this vid I made (For solasmancers who really want some feels) x3
oh i thought you said "lick"
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LOL. Maybe I should go back and make sure no one else makes that misjudgment!!! D:
@Missy, ugh I am all sad and depressed now... there's just sooo much bad potential there
Don't be sad. Have a joke to cheer you up.
A summary of the Solas romance:
Lavellan: Baby, I'll be like the electron in your orbital at Ψ2 - The probability of finding me inside you will always be positive.
Solas: Vhenan I'm sorry but... I'm a node.
BECAUSE THE PROBABILITY GOES TO ZERO AT THE NODES
/laughs alone in a corner
Don't be sad. Have a joke to cheer you up.
A summary of the Solas romance:
Lavellan: Baby, I'll be like the electron in your orbital at Ψ2 - The probability of finding me inside you will always be positive.
Solas: Vhenan I'm sorry but... I'm a node.
BECAUSE THE PROBABILITY GOES TO ZERO AT THE NODES
/laughs alone in a corner
Ok that helped
Getting mentally prepped for my second Lavellan playthrough/romance of Solas. Getting this out now....
I NEEED LIIIIIKES *sobs and repeatedly hits like button to no avail*
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Blinking Fen'Harel! It's a gif, btw. Pretty cool!
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