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[Gwyvian]

Uh... Isn't that a message from one of the workers saying that Solas has been doing the paintings in the room and expressing admiration for him...

No, that's a scroll you climb up the ladder for. This looks like decoration or possible clue.

[Janic99]

Solas' room is already pretty interesting itself

 

So I was mucking around with flycam today in my post-ending save. Remember that symbol we see on the walls of Kirkwall all the time? Well... I found something in Solas's room.

 

 

It looks like some sort of scroll... or a letter. With that symbol on it. One more reason to believe that symbol is used for rebellion? Fen'Harel symbol?

 

When I first saw it I was all "HOLY CRAP DLC???", like maybe Solas left that for the Inquisitor post-ending? So naturally I clocked back on my earliest save to confirm. Alas, it's been sitting in that bucket ever since you got to Skyhold. Still, it's interesting that he has it at all. What do you think it is? What do you think it means?

[nranola]

Uh... Isn't that a message from one of the workers saying that Solas has been doing the paintings in the room and expressing admiration for him...

 

The note you're speaking of is different, but within the same area up the ladder. Here's another shot:

 

 

It's at the far end of the platform, highlighted.

[Ajna]

I really try not to groan when people bring it up to me in that... fanatical tone of voice. I still remember a time not so very long ago when being obsessed with vampires was weird and terrifying. Back then I would have expected anyone who knows anything about vampires to invite me to a game of World of Darkness. Now I don't dare bring up the subject for fear of running into Twilight and being goaded into giving it a scathing analysis.

Ah those were days, when we didn't bang vampires but instead, feared them. As we should. (think folklore, think a metaphor).

[Kappa Neko]

This twilight comparison needs to stop. I didn't know that was a thing. I never read the books. And only watched the first movie with a friend in an effort to understand what the fuzz was all about. It was so boring and cheesy we skipped almost all the conversations, lol. It was amusing how close to the parody we watched first it actually was...

I did watch 20min of one of the other movies when I was still working part-time at the movie theater. The scene where Bella is in a tent while Jacob runs around shirtless in the snow Then he wraps his strong arms around her. All the girls and their mothers were squealing and sighing, it was disturbingly hilarious. I was tempted to watch all the movies because I hadn't laughed so hard in a while.

 

Love triangles... don't ever go there, Bioware. Please. I mean, you kind of get that in Mass Effect in the beginning, which was bad enough. Bit too high school drama for a game about killer machines.

 

Btw, I'm probably the only person who doesn't much care about the wolf sex idea. I love wolves but not really pushing my buttons. I'm more drawn to the immortal elf and mentor side of it.

Still, nothing beats Mulder traveling to the end of the world (Antarctica) to rescue Scully from her icy grave, saving her with a kiss of life. Just regular people risking their lives for each other. I'm forever in love with that romance. I love really drawn out love stories ever since. Anticipation is the best thing.. Delayed gratification FTW.

I got into unhappy love stories with The Pretender (another 90s show). For years I've been hooked on the Tony Hill/Carol Jordan books by Val McDermid.

[Tielis]

And there is an ancient elf skin tone? Ooh!

 

Yes, it's the last one on the skin tone slider for male elves.  I used this one for my dude, but I recently rerolled him because he looked green in almost every light.  (And because the freckles on his face don't go all the way down.  I was so looking forward to freckled shoulders.  *ahem*  )  It was far too jarring and he stuck out like a sore thumb even among the other elves.  

 

Not to mention that BioWare didn't matching the the finger and toe nail color to skin tone so it looked like he was wearing bright pink nail polish!  He's got Zevran-colored skin now, so he still has that, but it's not as bad as it was with the Abelas skin tone.

[Janic99]

IF someone will compare Solas romance to twilight I will kill them (not really) 

But I HATE twilight so much <.<'' I have been forced to watch 3 of them.. no.. no.. just no..

It is just not my type of a movies serie. So.. please.. do not try to compare them >.<''

even if you like it. 

[madrar]

Don't be sad. Have a joke to cheer you up.

 

A summary of the Solas romance:

Lavellan: Baby, I'll be like the electron in your orbital at Ψ² -  The probability of finding me inside you will always be positive.

Solas: Vhenan I'm sorry but... I'm a node.

 

BECAUSE THE PROBABILITY GOES TO ZERO AT THE NODES

 

 

/laughs alone in a corner

 

 

*giggles*

 

You're not alone!  I just realized that Triad magic is fission.  So obvious, right?  The Lover is the free neutron, destabilizing the bound nucleus (the Husband and Wife) and splitting it.  

 

Of course it's always explosive and catastrophic.   It's fission.

 

All creation / transformation magic is fusion: Earth and Fire joining to power something new.  All explosive / revolution magic is fission.

 

*giggles madly to herself, joins Oxi in the sad geek corner*

[Tielis]

It is also very odd how similar Andraste:



and Meredith looks like:


blonde hair same hair and that thing on the head is exactly the same.. I wonder why

 

[Linkenski]

Are you kidding me? Patrick Weekes wrote Solas? I don't know why I'm so surprised. I mean it's commonly aknowledged by fans that Patrick is a really good writer at Bioware and I agree, but I always thought he was only responsible for Bull and Cole, who are also pretty great, but Solas IMO is on a whole nother level of great character-writing.

 

I do wonder though, and I'm hoping Bioware themselves can give me insight on this, that when you say that one of your writers is THE writer for a character, does that mean that, in Solas' case, that ALL his dialogue is written by that writer or do you casually throw characters around for other writers to add something in as well?

[Gervaise]

One of the reasons I'm so against the theories about Solas being Shartan is that I admire Shartan because he was portrayed as an ordinary elven slave who took the initiative to join up with Andraste to free his people and give them a homeland.    If it did turn out that they were one and the same I would be extremely disappointed.

 

Actually that is part of my disappointment over Solas; that he is now a god from the elven pantheon.   I never really bought into the simple apostate concept, even before the game, let alone after I met him and we had our first few conversations.    However, I liked the idea he could possibly be an ancient elf who went into uthenera, spent years happily wandering the Fade, only to wake up and find everything horribly changed.    I suppose in a way that is still true but the epilogue ruined it a bit, particularly as it seemed he (willingly?) gave his orb to Corypheus and only got around to telling me that it was an ancient elven artefact after we had nearly been wiped out at Haven.   I know he was in a difficult situation but that "I saw it in the Fade" excuse was his default response to most other awkward exchanges, so a little bit more warning about the evil guy wouldn't have gone amiss.   He could have just excused himself for a few hours, gone off in the direction of the Rift and then come back and said he'd been having a little nap and guess what he'd found out?  

 

Quick question: When he asked you are you a typical Dalish what did you say?     If you look at my post over on the Spoilers section you will see why I'm having a bit of difficulty with this.   I play my Dalish characters much as I did in Origins, based on what we learnt of their culture there, plus a few things glean from Merrill in DA2 but that bit about what they do to excess mage children in DAI has me stumped; my clan doesn't do that but then we also take an interest in human affairs, just as Keeper Mahariel of Sabrae clan (the one before Marethari) suggested we should do at meeting of the clans.     I'm beginning to think that the clans we met in DAO and DA2 were not typical, even if the clans have been gradually growing apart.    So if I was going by the clans in DAO and DA2, then I'm probably pretty typical but if I'm going by Masked Empire and DAI, then definitely not.

[kalasaurus]

I must be the only person here who didn't think Twilight was that bad.  I just don't really care one way or another about it.

[M-Taylor]

Think the main comparison between Twilight and Solas is that both of them have a vibe of 'we can't be together'. Can sort of see the comparison on a very basic level but I think Solas's one is far superior in terms of writing.

 

In other news, I can't decide who to romance. Solas or Cullen? Solas I do find more interesting for plot terms and will probably be far more significant in the DA franchise than Cullen ever will. However Cullen has more content and actually ends happy (all my characters end up with a really sad ending, always. I'm thinking I might try and break the mold haha).

 

So yeah, Solas who I prefer in the DA context or Cullen who's romance content I actually prefer in practice?

[kalasaurus]

Think the main comparison between Twilight and Solas is that both of them have a vibe of 'we can't be together'. Can sort of see the comparison on a very basic level but I think Solas's one is far superior in terms of writing.

 

In other news, I can't decide who to romance. Solas or Cullen? Solas I do find more interesting for plot terms and will probably be far more significant in the DA franchise than Cullen ever will. However Cullen has more content and actually ends happy (all my characters end up with a really sad ending, always. I'm thinking I might try and break the mold haha).

 

So yeah, Solas who I prefer in the DA context or Cullen who's romance content I actually prefer in practice?

 

 

 

I posted about this in the Cullen thread, but I'm guessing it's possible some people here might be interested in this exploit/bug I encountered.  I'm not 100% sure if it's repeatable, but I was able to romance both Cullen and Solas fully until the end of the game- intact.  I didn't do it intentionally, it just sort of happened and I rolled with it until the end out of curiosity.  Here's how it happened:

 

My Lavellan kissed Solas in the Fade, and then immediately after when she woke up she agreed with Solas that it was best to remain friends by hitting the broken heart icon.  Despite this, Solas acknowledged the kiss after his personal quest on the balcony.  I thought, "Oh well why the hell not?", and had my Lavellan kiss him after he brought it up again.  The romance flag didn't actually lock her into it, however, and Solas will continue to call her Lethallan and Friend; neither will Sera, Vivienne, or the gossipers acknowledge their romance.  I was then free to pursue the Cullen romance, because I assumed what happened must have been a fluke.  I just headcanoned that they decided it couldn't work out and it was some time later (after Cullen's personal quest, Perseverance, in fact) that I initiated the Cullen romance.  Cullen's romance will lock in, and be acknowledged in his dialogue and outside gossip.

 

At the Winter Palace, Lavellan can request a dance from both Cullen and Solas, but it will be Cullen who will pursue her on the balcony to dance.

 

The end, after the Temple of Mythal, was when things became interesting.  Solas's romance scene does trigger and my Lavellan had the choice to remove her vallaslin (I decided to keep it so things wouldn't get too bizarre).  Solas's tarot card actually changed, too, despite his romance not being the active one.  The end scenes play out exactly as if she's romancing Cullen and Solas.  Here are some screenshots:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Little Mama]

This twilight comparison needs to stop. I didn't know that was a thing. I never read the books. And only watched the first movie with a friend in an effort to understand what the fuzz was all about. It was so boring and cheesy we skipped almost all the conversations, lol. It was amusing how close to the parody we watched first it actually was...

I did watch 20min of one of the other movies when I was still working part-time at the movie theater. The scene where Bella is in a tent while Jacob runs around shirtless in the snow Then he wraps his strong arms around her. All the girls and their mothers were squealing and sighing, it was disturbingly hilarious. I was tempted to watch all the movies because I hadn't laughed so hard in a while.

 

Love triangles... don't ever go there, Bioware. Please. I mean, you kind of get that in Mass Effect in the beginning, which was bad enough. Bit too high school drama for a game about killer machines.

 

Btw, I'm probably the only person who doesn't much care about the wolf sex idea. I love wolves but not really pushing my buttons. I'm more drawn to the immortal elf and mentor side of it.

Still, nothing beats Mulder traveling to the end of the world (Antarctica) to rescue Scully from her icy grave, saving her with a kiss of life. Just regular people risking their lives for each other. I'm forever in love with that romance. I love really drawn out love stories ever since. Anticipation is the best thing.. Delayed gratification FTW.

I got into unhappy love stories with The Pretender (another 90s show). For years I've been hooked on the Tony Hill/Carol Jordan books by Val McDermid.

I agree! _{(it needs to stop)}

Twilligt is cheesy, unnatural and SO overrated. Please don't compare that to the sad, tragic and actually deep _{(if you read between the lines and fill in the gap yourself)} romance between the MC and Solas.

Sure, there aren't many scenes between them but the few there is are heavy with emotions. And his sadness to having to end it is so unmistakaable. He doesn't break up beacuse he wants to, or because it was only a game to him but because he simply cares to much. He can't afford to lose himself in her and give up his mission _{(whatever that really is)}  Witch I think he really would be prepared to do if he stayed with her.

 

Regarding a love triangle. Well, a bit of jelousy is only helthy and brings you closer together, but a full blown up love traingle war - no thank you... I can't see that as Solas's style (_{and neither my MC's)}

 

Finally I'd say as my MC would; I didn't feel in love with a name _{(Solas or Fen'Harel doesn't matter)} I fell in love with a person. That he then happened to turn up to be a ancinet elven God that's just a bonus. But what woman wouldn't love a God.    

[M-Taylor]

 

 

Oh my god that's amazing haha. I'm tempted to try and get that out come, would make a lot of sense with my current Elf. xD

[kalasaurus]

Oh my god that's amazing haha. I'm tempted to try and get that out come, would make a lot of sense with my current Elf. xD

How I headcanoned it was that Solas and Lavellan decided to remain friends because it wouldn't work out in the long run, and developed a deep and close friendship.  My Lavellan had waited some time after the balcony kiss with Solas to start the Cullen romance and committed to him.  And, it wasn't until right before the final battle that Solas caved and kissed her one last time.  It made it feel less like a bug or a love triangle type situation.

[CapricornSun]

Art time!

 

Ugh! Poor Solas. ;___; 

Smiley Solas is adorable though.

 

 

Source: http://mabiruna.tumb...-solas-found-it

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[Ajna]

This twilight comparison needs to stop. I didn't know that was a thing. I never read the books. And only watched the first movie with a friend in an effort to understand what the fuzz was all about. It was so boring and cheesy we skipped almost all the conversations, lol. It was amusing how close to the parody we watched first it actually was...

I did watch 20min of one of the other movies when I was still working part-time at the movie theater. The scene where Bella is in a tent while Jacob runs around shirtless in the snow Then he wraps his strong arms around her. All the girls and their mothers were squealing and sighing, it was disturbingly hilarious. I was tempted to watch all the movies because I hadn't laughed so hard in a while.

 

Love triangles... don't ever go there, Bioware. Please. I mean, you kind of get that in Mass Effect in the beginning, which was bad enough. Bit too high school drama for a game about killer machines.

 

Btw, I'm probably the only person who doesn't much care about the wolf sex idea. I love wolves but not really pushing my buttons. I'm more drawn to the immortal elf and mentor side of it.

Still, nothing beats Mulder traveling to the end of the world (Antarctica) to rescue Scully from her icy grave, saving her with a kiss of life. Just regular people risking their lives for each other. I'm forever in love with that romance. I love really drawn out love stories ever since. Anticipation is the best thing.. Delayed gratification FTW.

I got into unhappy love stories with The Pretender (another 90s show). For years I've been hooked on the Tony Hill/Carol Jordan books by Val McDermid.

 

Oh there's no way you're only person who doesn't care for the "wolf sex/god" thing.  I'd be over the moon if he weren't FH.  It makes me want to bash my head repeatedly into my desk whenever I see someone miss the rest of his character and latch on to only that... and then cry.

[Rabbitonfire]

I must be the only person here who didn't think Twilight was that bad. I just don't really care one way or another about it.

I could see how it could be appealing. An attentive boyfriend, a protagonist that embodies the insecures of any teen, the fantasy of eternal youth, shirtless, so on. But I view it as a fanservice. But it's not different from any other movie or show that caters to them, just the most known for girls. To me, it's like people disliking teen pop idols where they irrationally loathe them. They dislike their music, therefore it is distasteful for anyone to like them.

 

I think people just dislike the fans more than the actual person. Maybe that's why to people not a fan of Solas they think we're obsessed for a weird looking elf who at time is disagreeable, fans drawing wolves, getting angsty, hoping for some happy immortality like the vampire diaries while other romances depict happy, normal mortal lives. 

[Gwyvian]

Ah those were days, when we didn't bang vampires but instead, feared them. As we should. (think folklore, think a metaphor).

 

Ahhh, a favorite subject. If Twilight doesn't manage to ruin the subject forever......... it is actually quite a fascinating sociological guide, despite it's botched folklore execution. That's a subject for more awake hours, though.

 

This twilight comparison needs to stop. I didn't know that was a thing. I never read the books. And only watched the first movie with a friend in an effort to understand what the fuzz was all about. It was so boring and cheesy we skipped almost all the conversations, lol. It was amusing how close to the parody we watched first it actually was...

I did watch 20min of one of the other movies when I was still working part-time at the movie theater. The scene where Bella is in a tent while Jacob runs around shirtless in the snow Then he wraps his strong arms around her. All the girls and their mothers were squealing and sighing, it was disturbingly hilarious. I was tempted to watch all the movies because I hadn't laughed so hard in a while.

 

Love triangles... don't ever go there, Bioware. Please. I mean, you kind of get that in Mass Effect in the beginning, which was bad enough. Bit too high school drama for a game about killer machines.

 

Btw, I'm probably the only person who doesn't much care about the wolf sex idea. I love wolves but not really pushing my buttons. I'm more drawn to the immortal elf and mentor side of it.

Still, nothing beats Mulder traveling to the end of the world (Antarctica) to rescue Scully from her icy grave, saving her with a kiss of life. Just regular people risking their lives for each other. I'm forever in love with that romance. I love really drawn out love stories ever since. Anticipation is the best thing.. Delayed gratification FTW.

I got into unhappy love stories with The Pretender (another 90s show). For years I've been hooked on the Tony Hill/Carol Jordan books by Val McDermid.

 

I saw the first part not long after it came out, I was curious and wanted to give it a chance. I only really watched the rest of them so that I could substantiate my arguments about what's wrong with them, so that could safely say I know what I'm talking about. I was rolling my eyes so much and groaning throughout that they even fell out of the "so bad it's good" category and plummeted straight to "avoid to keep sanity intact."

 

I agree on the rest, too - the immortal elf and X-files. 

 

Think the main comparison between Twilight and Solas is that both of them have a vibe of 'we can't be together'. Can sort of see the comparison on a very basic level but I think Solas's one is far superior in terms of writing.

 

In other news, I can't decide who to romance. Solas or Cullen? Solas I do find more interesting for plot terms and will probably be far more significant in the DA franchise than Cullen ever will. However Cullen has more content and actually ends happy (all my characters end up with a really sad ending, always. I'm thinking I might try and break the mold haha).

 

So yeah, Solas who I prefer in the DA context or Cullen who's romance content I actually prefer in practice?

 

That's... kind of like comparing a paper cut to a spear in the gut. They both make you bleed, sure, but apart from this quite abstract plot element, they are worlds apart.

 

The truth of the matter is that if you dig down deeply enough to what's important to people, you will get these basic essences that formulate stories we tell and retell all the time. If you can find the "universal truth" so to speak within a subject, then you have instant immortal material that lives through the ages; yet, we all know that we're incredibly complex beings, so focusing on a single sliver of the human condition is so badly out of context that it would be hilarious if it wasn't so painful. What offends me about Twilight (and its kith) is that it's so blank on the most critical points of interest (this complexity, for one) while also failing to give a satisfactory response to the issues it so nonchalantly tosses out. Not to mention the fact that it is all wrong in archetypes, metaphorically and how it handles the mythopoesis. (Sorry, I meant: it utterly lacks mythopoesis from beginning to end.) It preys on the thirst of people to connect to something that they've been severed from for a very long time and leaves people stuck in an illusion that is, frankly, ridiculous.

 

Plus it uses implausibility - I can think of no better way to utterly ruin a story.

 

*deep breath*

[kalasaurus]

I could see how it could be appealing. An attentive boyfriend, a protagonist that embodies the insecures of any teen, the fantasy of eternal youth, shirtless, so on. But I view it as a fanservice. But it's not different from any other movie or show that caters to them, just the most known for girls. To me, it's like people disliking teen pop idols where they irrationally loathe them. They dislike their music, therefore it is distasteful for anyone to like them.

 

I think people just dislike the fans more than the actual person. Maybe that's why to people not a fan of Solas they think we're obsessed for a weird looking elf who at time is disagreeable, fans drawing wolves, getting angsty, hoping for some happy immortality like the vampire diaries while other romances depict happy, normal mortal lives. 

Yeah, I think the Twilight hate is way overblown...and it definitely gets more hate than it deserves IMO.  It isn't worth getting worked up over the comparison.

[Illyria]

Are you kidding me? Patrick Weekes wrote Solas? I don't know why I'm so surprised. I mean it's commonly aknowledged by fans that Patrick is a really good writer at Bioware and I agree, but I always thought he was only responsible for Bull and Cole, who are also pretty great, but Solas IMO is on a whole nother level of great character-writing.

 

I do wonder though, and I'm hoping Bioware themselves can give me insight on this, that when you say that one of your writers is THE writer for a character, does that mean that, in Solas' case, that ALL his dialogue is written by that writer or do you casually throw characters around for other writers to add something in as well?

 

I am almost positive that Gaider answered this question at some point, but I cannot remember if it was here, in the old BSN or on his tumblr.  I can have a hunt around but I'm not likely to turn up much.

 

And yes, Weekes wrote Solas.  He also wrote The Masked Empire which adds a great deal to elven lore and the Orlasian court and he wrote most of Here Lies the Abyess (which happens to be my favourite of the main quests).

[eltharinka]

There was art time (btw smiley Solas is cute), so now some 'my Lavellan' time

I would give it a title "Wondering what to tell her"

[Gwyvian]

I could see how it could be appealing. An attentive boyfriend, a protagonist that embodies the insecures of any teen, the fantasy of eternal youth, shirtless, so on. But I view it as a fanservice. But it's not different from any other movie or show that caters to them, just the most known for girls. To me, it's like people disliking teen pop idols where they irrationally loathe them. They dislike their music, therefore it is distasteful for anyone to like them.

 

I think people just dislike the fans more than the actual person. Maybe that's why to people not a fan of Solas they think we're obsessed for a weird looking elf who at time is disagreeable, fans drawing wolves, getting angsty, hoping for some happy immortality like the vampire diaries while other romances depict happy, normal mortal lives. 

 

Well, to me it's actually more disturbing than a case of loathing. I'm interested in why these things are prevalent and I feel that this reflects a real problem. I get worked up about it because I want to be able to get to the heart of what we reflect as a society and I want to find the niches where I can slip in and put forth new ideas.

I know the feeling of irrational loathing towards pop culture, and I know that particularly in certain circles it's difficult not to get into that mindset in a way that it becomes a permanent feature of your outlook. Yet, it was exactly this environment that first flatly told us "no pop culture bashing" which got me thinking - it's just not something you can back up with acceptable evidence, academic research and thoughtful insights, that attitude.

After this, cutting away the extreme opinions (and this also includes the glorification of academia) it really comes down to what your angle is. My angle is primarily a literary psychology hybrid, and from that point of view things like Twilight are disturbing. This is not true, however, of a lot of different areas of pop culture. A lot of it I like and accept, a lot of it I have big issues with. I suspect it's the same for anyone, yet my point is that just because it is in a spotlight and people love to hate it as much as others love it, that does not negate the possibility of valuable arguments and conclusions to be drawn from that element.