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[nranola]

Question for the lore people around here:  do we have a name, or at least an accepted way to refer to the squat, creepy Cult figure we come across every once  in a while in Thedas?  The one with the candles, and the sacrifices, and that particularly creepy cave where the statue itself is described as feeling almost alive?

 

I think Liz was poking at this idea not too long ago, but I can't remember whether it's just "that weird creepy thing", or whether we have a better term from codices.  

 

I don't think we've ever agreed on a name... Like others have mentioned before me, the statue appears in the Altar of Dumat, as well as in Sundermount cave during Merrill's final loyalty quest. The same statue appears multiple times in the Elven Ruins map in multiplayer, along with the usual wolf and owl statues - make of that what you will.

[Janic99]

I am going to make you all blush with this.. Try to guess how I am feeling making this:

[sikozuShanu]

I woke up, checked my news feed.  Read an article on Forbes in which the author compares DA:I to the movie Crash.  There's a lot of nonsense in this article, the greatest being, and I quote: "Go away Solas, no one likes you."     He also describes DA:I as "a shadow of the game it is clearly trying to emulate, Skyrim."  (WTF?! Am I the only one who played both games?!?)

 

*slams head into desk in frustration*

 

I don't understand the thought patterns of this strange creature, but I suspect he might be evil incarnate.  I have got to stop reading this stuff.  It's bad for my forehead.

[Sah291]

 

Your post made me wonder... I've been thinking about this "rebellion" stuff, and... Let's say that you try to change the current order of things. Let's say that you lead a rebellion against a tyrant, and you happen to win. What now? No matter how much you'd want people to be free, without a leader, chaos will consume everything. People need to follow someone. If you don't become the one who'll rule yourself, or don't choose someone to rule, people'll do it themselves, or someone else will use this opportunity to gain power. But becoming a ruler is acting against what you were fighting for, as is choosing one. But people cannot go on without an actual leader. So, true world-wide freedom is impossible, and you are only "free" when you... fight? So "winning" will not make you actually win, but lose?

 

*ahem* sorry, don't mind me. ^^"

 

 

Yeah, it's a cycle of revolution. Fen'harel is the god of rebellion (thus an ally to slaves and the oppressed), but the moment he wins/succeeds, he's given over to pride (thus an ally to rulers--he plays on both teams, so to speak), because there is an inherent contradiction in the violent overthrow of rulers. You become what you overthrew. Yesterdays oppressed are today's tyrants. Today's conservatives are yesterday's revolutionaries, etc. I believe his fascination with the Quizzy, may be in part because she makes him wonder/hope if there could be another way. But it's dangerous to hope for that, because he's seen this same scenario play out and crumble so many times in the past.

[madrar]

Wasn't it an altar devoted to Dumat? 

 

http://dragonage.wik.../Altar_of_Dumat

 

Dear god.   This is why I need to replay DA2- I had no idea they'd already made the connection so blatant. 

 

Thanks, that makes complete sense.  ^w^

[madrar]

*repeatedly tries to press the science lab's resident spinny-thing with the do-whatsit* 

Do we have a how-to guide yet? Do I need to set up an account? How do I shot web D:

 

You can add pages as Solavellan (pwd lavellan) to start with, but should definitely set up an account if you want to keep your own theories separate, or track your edits.  Log in as Solavellan, then send an invite to your email address from the... uh, wiki settings page, I think?  The whole back end of this thing is excruciatingly unintuitive, but it works pretty well once all you need to do with it is dump theory.   

 

If you don't see any options to get under the hood, click on the third square icon from the right (the leftmost) at the top right, where your username is.

 

 ...if that makes any sense.  @w@  Let me know if you run into any problems! 

[madrar]

I have a theory on what the right of Tranquility is, and what is actually happening with the Seekers when the rite is reversed (touched by a spirit), and how this gives them their power to resist mind control, etc. This is a very common theme in mystic/esoteric spiritual traditions. You have to empty the cup before it can be filled. In other words, you can't unlearn something you think you know. The lyrium brand on the forehead is right over the area associated with the sixth chakra (or "third eye"). The Seekers get their power to resist magical mind control, because they have gained the ability to see reality objectively, whereas before, they were mired in delusion. This symbolism is everywhere in the game. 

 

 

*gets the crazy eyes*

 

*grabs Sah by her shoulders, steers her towards the theory wiki*

[Missy_MI]

I got the Knight Enchanter dialogue, finally. Thanks to Ajna for figuring out how to get it to play. It's awesome.

There's a fix for this? Would you mind sharing it? We get so little regular dialog from Solas, I was super disappointed when it didn't trigger for me.

 

-Spoilery post-

Finished my Solas Romance play-through today. I knew how the game ends, but the heart-break is real. Dissapointed with the lack of romance scenes with Solas, though that makes the romance parts that more special. I appreciate that we still get to keep the romance card despite not being able to choose Solas anymore. I hope that in future DLC Solas makes a come back. 

 

Aw, welcome to the blanket fort!

 

 

I still have some dragons to kill before officially ending my Lavellan playthrough and the romanced Solas tarot card is oddly comforting. Hey, that actually makes me wonder about something. If you romance a companion, their tarot card changes to something special right? Does it change back if you break off the romance?

[TanisLave]

There's a fix for this? Would you mind sharing it? We get so little regular dialog from Solas, I was super disappointed when it didn't trigger for me.

 

 

Aw, welcome to the blanket fort!

 

 

I still have some dragons to kill before officially ending my Lavellan playthrough and the romanced Solas tarot card is oddly comforting. Hey, that actually makes me wonder about something. If you romance a companion, their tarot card changes to something special right? Does it change back if you break off the romance?

I think the card only changes once you are at the point where the romance is "Locked" in, so no breaking up. 

[RebbyWriter]

Finished my fanart of Dirthamen,

Spoiler

 

http://mypixelmuse.t...eper-of-secrets

 

  *poofs away*

[Maria13]

Is there a consensus in this thread for the apparent contradiction of Solas' motivations?

By the end of the game, he appears dedicated to restoring the elven people. However, when my Male Human (thus not a romance) Inquisitor asked him, after Halamshiral, who was his people, he didn't seem that particularly invested in the elves.

According to his own words, they were a "lost cause". I could understand an elven Inquisition convincing him they were still worth saving but what about other playthroughs? Was he simply deceiving the Inquisitor?

 

Of course, there is also the fact after Haven he appeared concerned of Corypheus' actions leading to a backlash against the elves so, yet another contradiction.

 

I think he actually forgets he's embodied as an elf, in the same way as we seldom see ourselves as what we are, rather we perceive ourselves as some reflection of our state of mind. I believe he might think himself more as a spirit. I have just completed Wicked Thoughts and was talking to him and I said "By the way I'm sorry about Briala" There is a pause, he seems to be collecting himself and then he replies "Oh... Because both you and I are elves and she is an elf..."

 

Thinking about the spirit of wisdom in All New, she was possibly a "friend" of his in the deeper more spiritual meaning of the word and therefore killing the mages who enslaved, perverted and destroyed her was a natural act, in the same way we would [usually] kill rats if they had invaded our home. Likewise he sees nothing wrong with Cole becoming more spirit (nor do I, BTW). 

 

And in the second romance scene he says something along the lines of "Are you sure you are Dalish?" as if meaning to say, I like you so much but that's really strange to me because you're an elf, just a normal physical elf. And then of course after the embrace "... It's been a long time..." I wonder whether he was mortal once or "possessed" someone once before.

 

I think his time among the mortal might have contributed to widening his education...

[Maria13]

I woke up, checked my news feed.  Read an article on Forbes in which the author compares DA:I to the movie Crash.  There's a lot of nonsense in this article, the greatest being, and I quote: "Go away Solas, no one likes you."     He also describes DA:I as "a shadow of the game it is clearly trying to emulate, Skyrim."  (WTF?! Am I the only one who played both games?!?)

 

*slams head into desk in frustration*

 

I don't understand the thought patterns of this strange creature, but I suspect he might be evil incarnate.  I have got to stop reading this stuff.  It's bad for my forehead.

 

He's an idiot. Clearly. Yup, I played Skyrim loads and loads of Skyrim. Skyrim, but it's an empty room and sandbox game, no feeling, just questing and challenges.

 

DA:I on the other hand is a library packed with great books. I know which I prefer.

[Maria13]

Solas has plenty of critiques for the ancient elves. He mentions that they were no better than Tevinter to Dorian, and that Abelas clings to the past. I don't think it is simply that he sees the elvhen as better than everyone else, although he certainly has a healthy dose of nostalgia for the old ways. His fixation upon the people seems to have more to do with the fact that he's the one who took it all away from them. He'll never be able to escape the fact that his actions doomed his people.

 

Because of it, he owes it them to fix things. What he considers a fix, we don't know. 

 

There's a story that Solas tells to Varric that I think has a lot to do with his mindset. I'm paraphrasing, but essentially, a man lives alone on an island after his wife and child die. He has no future. The only thing he can look forward to is death and further isolation. Solas sees the story of the man on the island as a story about defeat. There's no noble struggle. No attempt to leave the island. Its just a man who gave up. 

 

Varric, however, sees the story differently. He sees a man that has lost everything, who still has the strength to continue on on his own. 

 

Solas is the man on the island, only the island is the future. His struggle is essentially accepting what has happened, or struggling against it. Solas was considered the god of rebellion for a reason. I don't think he can accept defeat. Not yet. Only problem is, when you're trapped on an island and you're looking to escape, you have a high chance of drowning in your own efforts. 

 

You forget the punch line Solas says that every evening the guy using an "intoxicating spirit" to lull himself to sleep.  And Varric after saying he thought the dude was living a good life and Solas disagreeing says "Well I suppose it depends on the the quality of the intoxicating spirit..." After a pause Solas says "I suppose it does..."

[TanisLave]

Only super fun thing I enjoyed in Skyrim was doing all the Dedra quests, aww ye.

[madrar]

I woke up, checked my news feed.  Read an article on Forbes in which the author compares DA:I to the movie Crash.  There's a lot of nonsense in this article, the greatest being, and I quote: "Go away Solas, no one likes you."     He also describes DA:I as "a shadow of the game it is clearly trying to emulate, Skyrim."  (WTF?! Am I the only one who played both games?!?)

 

*slams head into desk in frustration*

 

I don't understand the thought patterns of this strange creature, but I suspect he might be evil incarnate.  I have got to stop reading this stuff.  It's bad for my forehead.

 

*helpless shrug*

 

Just pity him- there's nothing else you can do.  He's inevitably going to be exposed as an idiot as future content makes the scope of the world and the crazy interplay of themes the writers have managed to effectively weave into it more and more obvious.  I only have the vague outline of what they've created here, but it's crazy ambitious and impressively well done.

 

Not the writers' fault for painting with a palette of colors this guy isn't willing or able to see.  It's still art.  And he's still a tool.  

[M-Taylor]

Has anyone tried http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/175/?for Solas?

 

I don't usually use mods for companions, I feel it takes away their own in game identity for some reason. Throughout the entire series I think the only mod I used for companions was for Anders to change his hair (disliked the pony tail ) and eye colour back to it's original Awakening colour.

 

But yeah, this mod I think really enhances Solas without changing much. It makes him feel sort of more... ethereal I guess? More regel and definitely more like his... true nature

 

Definitely recommend for any Solas fans out there.

[Oswin]

 He also describes DA:I as "a shadow of the game it is clearly trying to emulate, Skyrim."  (WTF?! Am I the only one who played both games?!?)

 

 

If what people have been saying about DAI on PC is true, then I'll let him have that comparison. Because on PS3, Skyrim is a broken mess of a game. For the longest time it was just unplayable.

 

It annoys me that they keep singling out Skyrim as the only open-world fantasy game to compare to. They do realise Skyrim is the fifth TES game, right? I've played 3 of them (3, 4 and 5) and Skyrim ranks at the bottom. It's very pretty and I enjoyed it when it worked. But it doesn't have the memorable moments and characters of it's predecessors. 

 

But let's not start my rants about Skyrim. Haha. I will say one last thing on the whole DAI/TES comparison front. When I see all the threads moaning about fetch quests in DAI...all I can think is, I wonder if they played Oblivion. I adore Oblivion, but for it's side and faction quests. The main storyline? Oh man. You are just fetching crap for Sean Bean. Then the most disappointing final boss fight. Ever.

Oh and closing all the rifts has got nothing on closing all the Oblivion gates.

 

...Ahaaa, why do I play these games? Madness. 

[HatUmbra]

Finished the Tomb in EG with my male Lavellan today and was RNG'd a very nice drop: Behold my Emerald Knight! (gods how corny)

 

http://imgur.com/hM2dNgS

 

On another note, I gave the info to the Hahren in EP because I wanted to even though I saw a mirror between the tale I was delivering and Lamark (my PC) and Cassandra's romance; male elf, human woman, Maker vs. elves...ah fine and tragic literature.

[madrar]

 

 

If what people have been saying about DAI on PC is true, then I'll let him have that comparison. Because on PS3, Skyrim is a broken mess of a game. For the longest time it was just unplayable.

 

It annoys me that they keep singling out Skyrim as the only open-world fantasy game to compare to. They do realise Skyrim is the fifth TES game, right? I've played 3 of them (3, 4 and 5) and Skyrim ranks at the bottom. It's very pretty and I enjoyed it when it worked. But it doesn't have the memorable moments and characters of it's predecessors. 

 

But let's not start my rants about Skyrim. Haha. I will say one last thing on the whole DAI/TES comparison front. When I see all the threads moaning about fetch quests in DAI...all I can think is, I wonder if they played Oblivion. I adore Oblivion, but for it's side and faction quests. The main storyline? Oh man. You are just fetching crap for Sean Bean. Then the most disappointing final boss fight. Ever.

Oh and closing all the rifts has got nothing on closing all the Oblivion gates.

 

...Ahaaa, why do I play these games? Madness. 

 

 

I never managed to get into Skyrim.  I think I ran around semi-aimlessly for about half an hour before I realized I had no idea why I was expected to care about the world or my character's place in it.  Closed it up, never bothered again.  

 

Did I miss anything that'd justify giving it another chance?

[CapricornSun]

 

 

If what people have been saying about DAI on PC is true, then I'll let him have that comparison. Because on PS3, Skyrim is a broken mess of a game. For the longest time it was just unplayable.

 

It annoys me that they keep singling out Skyrim as the only open-world fantasy game to compare to. They do realise Skyrim is the fifth TES game, right? I've played 3 of them (3, 4 and 5) and Skyrim ranks at the bottom. It's very pretty and I enjoyed it when it worked. But it doesn't have the memorable moments and characters of it's predecessors. 

 

But let's not start my rants about Skyrim. Haha. I will say one last thing on the whole DAI/TES comparison front. When I see all the threads moaning about fetch quests in DAI...all I can think is, I wonder if they played Oblivion. I adore Oblivion, but for it's side and faction quests. The main storyline? Oh man. You are just fetching crap for Sean Bean. Then the most disappointing final boss fight. Ever.

Oh and closing all the rifts has got nothing on closing all the Oblivion gates.

 

...Ahaaa, why do I play these games? Madness. 

 

 

I didn't really mind the fetch quests, to be honest, in both DA:I and the TES games (hell, I'd fetch anything for Sean Bean  ).

 

Ah, but now you're making me want to play Oblivion and Skyrim again.  I agree with you about those Oblivion gates though. I'd rather close the rifts in DA:I than close those Oblivion gates. 

[almasy87]

Guys.. I just joined and was looking for the interview with Patrick Weekes on NerdAppropriate.. but the page seems to be down :/ I really really really want to read/listen to it Does anyone know what happened and/or has a copy of it somewhere? :/

 

/sigh

[Ajna]

I never managed to get into Skyrim.  I think I ran around semi-aimlessly for about half an hour before I realized I had no idea why I was expected to care about the world or my character's place in it.  Closed it up, never bothered again.  

 

Did I miss anything that'd justify giving it another chance?

 

Eh, not really, the only reason I played it as much as much as I did was mods. It's the most anti climactic ending ever.. I honestly couldn't believe that I'd even completed the game, I was so spoiled by the beauty of BioWare's storytelling.

[Oswin]

I never managed to get into Skyrim.  I think I ran around semi-aimlessly for about half an hour before I realized I had no idea why I was expected to care about the world or my character's place in it.  Closed it up, never bothered again.  

 

Did I miss anything that'd justify giving it another chance?

 

As much as I enjoyed Skyrim, I actually find it really hard to sell it. Morrowind and Oblivion on the other hand? Oh man. So much love for those. The faction quests in Oblivion are the best. The Dark Brotherhood questline is a better story than some whole games I've played. Oooh Lucien Lachance. What a strange man to make me feel feelings.

If I could erase my memory of one game, so I can enjoy it for the first time again. It'd be Oblivion. I loved going in and not having a clue what I was doing or where I was going. Just forging my own path and getting lost in the characters and surroundings. That kind of excitement is hard to come by. Also, Shivering Isles DLC is how you make a good DLC. The Skyrim DLC was all kinda, meh. Although giving me my favourite Morrowind music back was nice.

 

TES games do have my favourite music in the gaming world though. DAI really did well with Trevor Morris, although it's a shame I tend not to hear any of it in the actual game D: was never a big lover of the previous DA soundtracks. 

 

I didn't really mind the fetch quests, to be honest, in both DA:I and the TES games (hell, I'd fetch anything for Sean Bean  ).

 

Ah, but now you're making me want to play Oblivion and Skyrim again.  I agree with you about those Oblivion gates though. I'd rather close the rifts in DA:I than close those Oblivion gates. 

 

Poor Bean. Even in videogames he dies 

 

Actually, now I've realised a big similarity between DAI and TES games. Beginning the game under arrest. Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all start with you under arrest or in prison, before something happens to get you on your path to heroism. DAI takes that same route. At least you have an obvious reason for getting out of it, and not 'Sir Patrick Stewart has a dream you are special.' Aha. Oh Oblivion. You crack me up.

 

Now I'm trying to remember how Kingdoms of Amalur starts. For another open world fantasy comparison. Man, my memory of that game is hazy. 

[sikozuShanu]

 

It annoys me that they keep singling out Skyrim as the only open-world fantasy game to compare to. They do realise Skyrim is the fifth TES game, right? I've played 3 of them (3, 4 and 5) and Skyrim ranks at the bottom. It's very pretty and I enjoyed it when it worked. But it doesn't have the memorable moments and characters of it's predecessors. 

 

 

 

Agreed.  I started back with Morrowind.  Nothing against Bethesda - the game play is fun (and I lean toward Fallout more than the Elder Scrolls) - but they seem incapable of creating engaging characters.  It amazes me when I read someone touting the superiority of Skyrim, only to then deride the characters in Inquisition.  I couldn't even finish Skyrim.  (I tried repeatedly.)  It was so lonely; it was like exploring a world of paper dolls who all share the same three or four voices.  I readily admit that Inquisition has its flaws, but I think a lot of people fail to see it for what it is:  a beginning.  A marvelous first step.  An undeniably engaging foundation.  Now that the work of transferring the mechanics of the universe to frostbite is done, the focus can lie predominantly with the story and characters.  

 

That's possibly the greatest thing about Solas.  I can't wait to see what he does next.  *shivers in anticipation*

The most I ever felt for Skyrim was along the lines of... Lydia, don't sass me.  You're a pack horse.  A pretty pack horse.  Accept your role, please. 

[Illyria]

I never managed to get into Skyrim.  I think I ran around semi-aimlessly for about half an hour before I realized I had no idea why I was expected to care about the world or my character's place in it.  Closed it up, never bothered again.  

 

Did I miss anything that'd justify giving it another chance?

 

PC and mods.  That game is nothing without them.