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Guys.. I just joined and was looking for the interview with Patrick Weekes on NerdAppropriate.. but the page seems to be down :/ I really really really want to read/listen to it :( Does anyone know what happened and/or has a copy of it somewhere? :/

 

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i tried to play Skyrim i just couldn't complete it I had to force myself to same thing happened with ESO(elder scrolls online).

Um I was wondering has anyone ever gotten this line from Cole after the your too bright

 

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Kingdoms of Amalur starts with you being dead and laying on a pile of bodies.  Fun times.


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PC and mods.  That game is nothing without them.
 

True, with mods I could watch my Nordic beauty marry Ulfric Stormcloak after the civil war questline and live happily ever after in the Palace of Kings. heh

 

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As much as I enjoyed Skyrim, I actually find it really hard to sell it. Morrowind and Oblivion on the other hand? Oh man. So much love for those. The faction quests in Oblivion are the best. The Dark Brotherhood questline is a better story than some whole games I've played. Oooh Lucien Lachance. What a strange man to make me feel feelings.

If I could erase my memory of one game, so I can enjoy it for the first time again. It'd be Oblivion. I loved going in and not having a clue what I was doing or where I was going. Just forging my own path and getting lost in the characters and surroundings. That kind of excitement is hard to come by. Also, Shivering Isles DLC is how you make a good DLC. The Skyrim DLC was all kinda, meh. Although giving me my favourite Morrowind music back was nice.

 

TES games do have my favourite music in the gaming world though. DAI really did well with Trevor Morris, although it's a shame I tend not to hear any of it in the actual game D: was never a big lover of the previous DA soundtracks. 

 

 

Poor Bean. Even in videogames he dies  :lol:

 

Actually, now I've realised a big similarity between DAI and TES games. Beginning the game under arrest. Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all start with you under arrest or in prison, before something happens to get you on your path to heroism. DAI takes that same route. At least you have an obvious reason for getting out of it, and not 'Sir Patrick Stewart has a dream you are special.' Aha. Oh Oblivion. You crack me up.

 

Now I'm trying to remember how Kingdoms of Amalur starts. For another open world fantasy comparison. Man, my memory of that game is hazy. 

 

Ah, Oblivion... That game was one of the first games I got for my PS3, the first TES game I played, and probably the very first open world RPG I've played (and introduced me to the wonderful world of Western RPGs since I was a big JRPG fan back in the day). Oblivion really did have very good faction quests. As much as I loved Skyrim, their faction quests were a bit... lacking? And kind of short.  :unsure:

 

Yes, I was sad that Sean Bean's character dies. He was the first bastard prince I had a crush on in a Western RPG before I met Alistair in DA:O. :P

 

Oh god! Kingdoms of Amalur! I never ended that game but looking back, doesn't DA:I and Amalur have a bit of similarities? Big open worlds, tons of fetch quests, and I think it even had a dialogue wheel similar to the ones in Mass Effect and Dragon Age games even though your PC is not voiced.

 

Man, now I need to go back and play that game again...



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Yeah, it's a cycle of revolution. Fen'harel is the god of rebellion (thus an ally to slaves and the oppressed), but the moment he wins/succeeds, he's given over to pride (thus an ally to rulers--he plays on both teams, so to speak), because there is an inherent contradiction in the violent overthrow of rulers. You become what you overthrew. Yesterdays oppressed are today's tyrants. Today's conservatives are yesterday's revolutionaries, etc. I believe his fascination with the Quizzy, may be in part because she makes him wonder/hope if there could be another way. But it's dangerous to hope for that, because he's seen this same scenario play out and crumble so many times in the past.

 

That kind of fits with the idea he can walk on both sides, doesn't it? But can't really belong to either. The portrayal is of the gods, but it can just as easily be the rulers and the oppressed. Hmm.


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i tried to play Skyrim i just couldn't complete it I had to force myself to same thing happened with ESO(elder scrolls online).

Um I was wondering has anyone ever gotten this line from Cole after the your too bright

 

Spoiler

 

I always get the second one, but I think it's a difference in class? Did you change from a mage to something else?



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Um I was wondering has anyone ever gotten this line from Cole after the your too bright

 

Spoiler

 

I've gotten both of them, and the only thing that was different up until that point with the character was the world state... unless there's some obscure choice made before then that I didn't think twice about and made differently.



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Kingdoms of Amalur starts with you being dead and laying on a pile of bodies.  Fun times.

 

I can only remember running out and meeting the guy who helps you out. A..something..Agron? No, wait. Some of those letters made up his name.

 

Ah, Oblivion... That game was one of the first games I got for my PS3, the first TES game I played, and probably the very first open world RPG I've played (and introduced me to the wonderful world of Western RPGs since I was a big JRPG fan back in the day). Oblivion really did have very good faction quests. As much as I loved Skyrim, their faction quests were a bit... lacking? And kind of short.  :unsure:

 

Yes, I was sad that Sean Bean dies. He was the first bastard prince I had a crush on in a Western RPG before I met Alistair in DA:O. :P

 

Oh god! Kingdoms of Amalur! I never ended that game but looking back, doesn't DA:I and Amalur have a bit of similarities? Big open worlds, tons of fetch quests, and I think it even had a dialogue wheel similar to the ones in Mass Effect and Dragon Age games.

 

Man, now I need to go back and play that game again...

 

The faction quests in Skyrim were so short and disappointing D: it felt like you were made the leader of all of them because you were a special snowflake and not because you actually earned it.

 

Kingdoms of Amalur is a good game. Which I now have the urge to replay... If only so I can remember the damn thing :D ha. I seem to remember that I found it easy to make really good looking characters..

 

...Unlike in DAI where I've just opened up my Qunari save and realised I don't really like how she looks. Oh man. I've been through the CC with her sooo much. Why can I not succeed!?



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I always get the second one, but I think it's a difference in class? Did you change from a mage to something else?

Hmm maybe I know I went templar as my class this time around

I've gotten both of them, and the only thing that was different up until that point with the character was the world state... unless there's some obscure choice made before then that I didn't think twice about and made differently.

no idea as I have always used the same world state except that my warden knifed leliana in one world state 

 

I'm also still curious about this though 

 

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That kind of fits with the idea he can walk on both sides, doesn't it? But can't really belong to either. The portrayal is of the gods, but it can just as easily be the rulers and the oppressed. Hmm.

 

Yeah, have you read the book Asunder? The Lord Seeker tells a story about his mage friend in Tevinter who eventually became the black divine. They were going to work together to reform. But the more power his friend got, the more he had to compromise into using dark powers (blood magic I guess) to fend off rivals who would take his place. This was how he became disillusioned to the idea of working together with mages. Fenris touches on the same subject, when Anders asks if all magisters use blood magic in Tevinter, and he says no magister would give up an advantage. The mages who don't are slaves like the rest. Same theme again with Anders/Justice. They were going to work together to bring justice to the oppressed, but it all went wrong. The rebel mages in DAI later squander what Anders/(mage siding) Hawke sacrificed in DA2 to achieve, when they sign their sovereignty back over to a magister in exchange for protection. Thus Solas approves when you ally with them, and doesn't if you conscript. 


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I never managed to get into Skyrim.  I think I ran around semi-aimlessly for about half an hour before I realized I had no idea why I was expected to care about the world or my character's place in it.  Closed it up, never bothered again.  
 
Did I miss anything that'd justify giving it another chance?

Well, yes, but since it's entirely off topic I'll just say a person of your lore mindset should look into Michael Kirkbride's writing and the meta-story of the ES universe. The games don't make these things obvious even though it's there in the books.

I think he actually forgets he's embodied as an elf, in the same way as we seldom see ourselves as what we are, rather we perceive ourselves as some reflection of our state of mind. I believe he might think himself more as a spirit. I have just completed Wicked Thoughts and was talking to him and I said "By the way I'm sorry about Briala" There is a pause, he seems to be collecting himself and then he replies "Oh... Because both you and I are elves and she is an elf..."

Thinking about the spirit of wisdom in All New, she was possibly a "friend" of his in the deeper more spiritual meaning of the word and therefore killing the mages who enslaved, perverted and destroyed her was a natural act, in the same way we would [usually] kill rats if they had invaded our home. Likewise he sees nothing wrong with Cole becoming more spirit (nor do I, BTW).

And in the second romance scene he says something along the lines of "Are you sure you are Dalish?" as if meaning to say, I like you so much but that's really strange to me because you're an elf, just a normal physical elf. And then of course after the embrace "... It's been a long time..." I wonder whether he was mortal once or "possessed" someone once before.

I think his time among the mortal might have contributed to widening his education...

In my opinion his remarks about Briala are misunderstood and taken so far. He says even early in his dialogue that you should care about the oppressed because they're oppressed, not because they're elves. He also comments at various points about not getting hung up on small, incremental steps to the detriment of your larger goal. There's no doubt in my mind after seeing his dialogues about abandoning the elves and his various comments to Lavellan that he identifies with elves, but he's not going to get embroiled in mini-quests on their behalf, when there are larger things about. This is why he will give approval early if you talk about the Breach and the Inquisition even though he generally wants to help the helpless as well. Example, the cult in the Hinterlands- if you tell Anais to help refugees, he gives no approval, but gives a full Approve if you tell her to spread word about the Inquisition.

I do think he remembers elvhen when they were "in both places," as Cole says about him- when the Fade was part of daily life- which is why he feels more comfortable with spirits and with Lavellan. Other elves are almost a different race since they are so far from their true selves.
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Finished my fanart of Dirthamen,

 

:ph34r:  *poofs away*

 

So this is the guy who's Vallaslin Solas took off of my Tiger's face?

 

...Well, damn. I want it back now. Rawr.

 

Somewhat related: now that Cory is defeated, I sent Tiger Fesitval to all of the western maps, looking for any sign of Solas at all. A last bit of rp before I start my dwarven Nightmare playthrough to try and get some of my heart back in place.

 

Dirthamen's temple was still available so she slogged her way around within again, and I noticed a mosaic that I hadn't before. It appears to be a halla, but it is possibly a deer considering the legend, and it's red. All the other mosaics in the temple are green. It's possible it's Ghilan'nain's but the lighting made it impossible to see the top of.

 

And if it is hers, why is it red? Why is it even there? The rest of the mosaics in that temple are all Falon'din. My mind is already spinning strange silly gossip theories about this. Brothers feuding over Ghilan'nain? Is it possible Mythal wasn't the only murdered elven god? Dirthamen feeling displaced by the new girl on the Pantheon, if she caught Falon'din's fancy?

 

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If someone else has already noted and theorized on this in the past, sorry for the redundancy. It's the first I've seen of it.


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The faction quests in Skyrim were so short and disappointing D: it felt like you were made the leader of all of them because you were a special snowflake and not because you actually earned it.

 

 

If you play on the PC then I recommend Thieves Guild Requirements as that makes you feel like you have to actually earn the position of guildmaster.



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I can only remember running out and meeting the guy who helps you out. A..something..Agron? No, wait. Some of those letters made up his name.

 

 

The faction quests in Skyrim were so short and disappointing D: it felt like you were made the leader of all of them because you were a special snowflake and not because you actually earned it.

 

Kingdoms of Amalur is a good game. Which I now have the urge to replay... If only so I can remember the damn thing :D ha. I seem to remember that I found it easy to make really good looking characters..

 

...Unlike in DAI where I've just opened up my Qunari save and realised I don't really like how she looks. Oh man. I've been through the CC with her sooo much. Why can I not succeed!?

 

Yes, I didn't really feel that special after becoming the leader of a faction in Skyrim. The faction quests were too damn easy compared to the ones in Oblivion.

 

Haha! Unfortunately, the story for Kingdoms of Amalur wasn't very memorable (and neither were the characters). And if I remember correctly, Amalur's CC had preset faces for you to use instead of sliders so it's easy to pick the prettiest faces. My PC was a Dokkalfar/dark elf and I think I remembered seeing NPCs with the exact same face as hers. xD


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Wander around and do your own thing is kinda the point of a TES games ;) 

I didn't even realise there was a main quest in Morrowind until I read about it online.

 

True, with mods I could watch my Nordic beauty marry Ulfric Stormcloak after the civil war questline and live happily ever after in the Palace of Kings. heh

 

 

Ah yes my breton, the beloved but misbegotten daughter of a notable lord, Jona Snowfire had a similar fate.  

What better cover for the Listener to have? 



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Hmm maybe I know I went templar as my class this time around

no idea as I have always used the same world state except that my warden knifed leliana in one world state 

 

I'm also still curious about this though 

 

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We chewed through a lot of this, but all the theory is a really long way back, buried under everything else.  The OGS in Kieran is hypothetically Ghilan'nain, which explains his ability to "see" your blood and immediately understand that you (as an elf) are one of the original creations of the Makers.   He has similar, but obviously different, comments about every race the Inquisitor can potentially be.

 

The comments Cole makes about your lips shaping the language your parents once lived is a reference to how mage "fade shadow" inheritance works, and the fact that inheritance theory implies going back far enough would trace any mage's lineage past the veil, to "Eden", where shaping the world with magic was as simple as breathing.  

 

Ugh, there's so much to shove into the theory wiki... 

 

*curls into fetal position*



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I woke up, checked my news feed.  Read an article on Forbes in which the author compares DA:I to the movie Crash.  There's a lot of nonsense in this article, the greatest being, and I quote: "Go away Solas, no one likes you."   :wacko:  He also describes DA:I as "a shadow of the game it is clearly trying to emulate, Skyrim."  (WTF?! Am I the only one who played both games?!?)

 

*slams head into desk in frustration*

 

I don't understand the thought patterns of this strange creature, but I suspect he might be evil incarnate.  I have got to stop reading this stuff.  It's bad for my forehead.

I wouldn't worry about it. Forbes notoriously rates the success of their articles is on hits per page - not just the gaming ones. So they tend to make more of a fuss to up the page views.  During the ME3 ending controversy they pandered so shamelessly.  It was kind of gross.

 

There are points I agree with on the game - a lot I don't.  A lot of people liked the game, a lot of people didn't.  It's not going to please everyone.  . I think the game is 'ok', but admittedly the thing that is going to get me to buy DLC and maybe play through this in a couple of years is for a sense of closure on the Solasmance. Hopefully what every they have planned rounds out the story better and picks up the pace a bit.  EDIT: And I do tend to agree about his overall thesis - it lucked out with the GOTY awards because this year was just a crap year for AAA games.  I don't think it deserves as much derision he's giving it - he clearly did not like the game at all and didn't finish it - but Half Life 2 this game aint'(Sorry). 



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So this is the guy who's Vallaslin Solas took off of my Tiger's face?

 

...Well, damn. I want it back now. Rawr.

 

Somewhat related: now that Cory is defeated, I sent Tiger Fesitval to all of the western maps, looking for any sign of Solas at all. A last bit of rp before I start my dwarven Nightmare playthrough to try and get some of my heart back in place.

 

Dirthamen's temple was still available so she slogged her way around within again, and I noticed a mosaic that I hadn't before. It appears to be a halla, but it is possibly a deer considering the legend, and it's red. All the other mosaics in the temple are green. It's possible it's Ghilan'nain's but the lighting made it impossible to see the top of.

 

And if it is hers, why is it red? Why is it even there? The rest of the mosaics in that temple are all Falon'din. My mind is already spinning strange silly gossip theories about this. Brothers feuding over Ghilan'nain? Is it possible Mythal wasn't the only murdered elven god? Dirthamen feeling displaced by the new girl on the Pantheon, if she caught Falon'din's fancy?

 

Screenshot:

Spoiler

 

If someone else has already noted and theorized on this in the past, sorry for the redundancy. It's the first I've seen of it.

 

Whoa, I'm going to have to head back into the temple.  @w@  I didn't notice it in my playthrough, and you're right that that would have some really interesting implications.   Nice find!


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My boyfriend just started a new PT and wants to romance Solas this time but so far all I hear is complaining. "****** off Solas" this "Idiot bald-head" that...


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What if I just finish the game without initiating the third romance scene. Does that mean he didn't break up with me??!

 

Edit: I'm going to try it out. I think he'll just say the same thing. Let's see.



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So, I've finished the second doc, with "human" codex entries. Now, it does NOT include anything Blight/Darkspawn/Wardens or magic-related (these things'll get separate docs), because... even without them, it's 80 pages long... and I tried to avoid background fluff  <_<

 

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

After downloading, you can Ctrl-click on things in the table of contents to get to the codex entry you need  ^_^


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Now you're discussing Skyrim???? I really can't keep up with this tread....


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My boyfriend just started a new PT and wants to romance Solas this time but so far all I hear is complaining. "****** off Solas" this "Idiot bald-head" that...


Sounds like my first pt. Is he romancing him for lore reasons too?

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What if I just finish the game without initiating the third romance scene. Does that mean he didn't break up with me??!

 

Edit: I'm going to try it out. I think he'll just say the same thing. Let's see.

 

Oh sweet summer child. 


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