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[TanisLave]

I looked it up and you're right. I think I missed clicking on her mosaic when I was walking around the temple.

 

Okay, looks like I have something to add to my picture. Also, thanks to the people who said they like her. Now, I don't feel so bad for being slightly attracted to the idea of her. Then again, I love me some graceful athletic women.

 

She reminds me of a Athena, who wasn't super into mortals in general. So, I don't mind the concept of her. 

[Maria13]

- Sad real life related rant, please feel free to skip. -

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I am sorry to go off topic, but I'm terribly sad. My dog is sick and she's not going to make it.
DA:I is helping me so much in not making me think about it. Tonight I had a weird dream, I was trying to find a way to help my dog, then Flemeth came to me and offered a way out... she was going to help, but then I woke up. I know this might sound creepy, of course it was just a dream. I just wanted to share this with someone, this whole situation is driving me mad... I don't know what I'd do without this game to distract me. Reading this thread and all your theories helps, too.

Gosh, I feel so sad. God.

... have a solas, so this post is not completely wasted

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Oh I feel for you! I have only recently come to realise that dogs are the kindest bestest creatures on this earth...

 

I send hugs and best wishes from me and Chulo and Leila...

[madrar]

Okay, it's been a while since I've even looked at this thread, so I'm not even going to try to catch up.

 

Instead, how about some happy fun theory time?  I'm spoiler tagging these due to length, by the way.  So you can read each one individually.

 

For starters, regarding the Old Gods:

 

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People seem to assume the Old Gods were either "keys" to the eluvians, or they were the ancient elven gods themselves.  I have a theory that instead, they were the chosen of the ancient elven gods--immortal elves who were allowed to take the form of the "divine," the dragon.

 

Yeah I know you're thinking "Hahaha, Brass, that's silly, that can't be true..."  Hang on though.

 

In one of the codex entries from the Temple of Mythal, we see reference to a "sinner" who is punished for taking the divine, winged form.  This form (most likely dragon form, but also potentially any winged form) is reserved for the gods and their chosen.  You with me now?

 

So, hypothetically speaking, each of the elven gods (or at least the Creators) might have had their own Chosen--either as an "heir apparent," or a high priest/priestess.  It would explain why there were as many Old Gods as there were Creators, even though we now know that not all of the Creators were locked away.  Also, it would explain why they originally called to the Tevinter Magisters and tried to send them to the Black City.  The Old Gods weren't seeking freedom for themselves, but for the gods that they were devoted to.  The idea also explains why the domains of the Old Gods do not quite match up with the domains of the elven Creators (i.e. the Old God of Silence, vs. the Creator Dirthamen, god of secrets).  It also may explain why the Old Gods are all said to be male--if all of the Creators' chosen happened to be male, this makes sense, whereas we are reasonably sure that several of the Creators were women.  I can't guarantee that none of the women in the elven pantheon were transwomen, but it seems unlikely that all of them would have been.

 

This idea also affects Solas.  He could have simply been Mythal's chosen (and thus not "truly" a god)--though his statuary being everywhere suggests he was indeed thought of as a god. Or, if he were actually an established pantheon member, Solas could have had his own chosen; in that case, who was this person and where is he/she now?  Or did he not believe that he and the others were gods in those days, either?  Whether he truly believes he isn't, or whether he has a grain of faith in the idea that he is, is a discussion best left for another post.

 

But, it's just a theory, take it as you will.

 

Second theory, regarding the Anchor:

 

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People have suggested that the Anchor is holding the bearer in place, and allows the bearer to slip between the Fade and the waking world on a whim.  Something about that doesn't seem quite right, though.

 

The Anchor came from that glowy green orb that belonged to Solas (or perhaps was originally Mythal's).  Given what we know of Solas and his goals, he has a lot of interest in the Fade and the Veil, and of course we hypothesize that he could be trying to take down the Veil.  But for now, he is strengthening it, so that spirits don't get warped into demons from the pain and shock.

 

What does this have to do with anything?

 

I think the Anchor may be holding the Veil in place.  It was originally part of the orb; Corypheus wanted it separated from the orb so that he would be able to use this tremendous power for himself, and get to the Black City.  Some of Solas's hand gestures suggest to me that originally, the Anchor was attached to Fen'harel (so why did he put it in an orb?  Safekeeping?).  All of those elven artifacts strengthen the Veil, but without the power of the Anchor, it comes loose and unravels.

 

This would also suggest that the orb's original location--or the location of another orb--would be within Skyhold (due to the past suggestion that there are two, because an ellipse requires two foci).  So, either Solas woke in Skyhold, or sooner or later he's going to have to return for the orb that got left behind.

 

Either way, the shiny green orb that is now broken contained the Anchor, which is now attached to the Inquisitor's hand.  The Inquisitor did not BECOME the Anchor.  She holds it, and with it, Solas says, "the key to our salvation."  Whose salvation?  Probably, the ancient Elvhen, or elves in general.  Though Solas may truly believe that everyone will benefit from... whatever it was Solas wanted to do with the Anchor.

 

If I'm right, then having the entirety of the Anchor's power means that the Inquisitor has the ability to either continue to uphold or completely remove the Veil, though he/she will probably need to go through some extra step or steps that we don't know yet to unlock that capacity--a failsafe, if you will.  Solas needed the Anchor for whatever he's planning to do--freeing the Old Gods and/or Creators, or removing the Veil, or both, or neither.

 

We also know that, had Solas gotten the orb, we would have seen whatever the truth was.  Perhaps he would have made another Anchor, or perhaps he would have been able to remove the Anchor from the Inquisitor.

 

And for the third idea I've had, regarding Mythal:

 

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I think I tossed this one around in the past, but I believe that the head of the ancient elven pantheon was not Elgar'nan, which even the ancient myths seems to suggest, but rather Mythal.

 

It was Mythal who kept Elgar'nan in line, Mythal who dispensed justice among the gods and elves, Mythal who maintained the peace.  Even if we also consider him as a sun-god and thus highly important for being a giver and/or taker of life, Elgar'nan's swift wrath and vengeance would have made him a poor leader in comparison.

 

Mythal's friend, Fen'harel, could indeed have been a messenger as others have suggested, or he might have served as Mythal's spy, her bodyguard, or he could even have been her chosen, and was raised up to the pantheon due to his usefulness.  Elgar'nan doesn't appear to have been jealous of Fen'harel, as he would have been if Fen'harel had been Mythal's lover.

 

We also don't hear a whole lot about Elgar'nan, other than that he and Mythal were wed, and had at least one child who also joined the pantheon.  They adopted others.  We could just be missing the stories, at this point, or it could be that Elgar'nan took a back seat to Mythal.

 

It's also telling that Mythal was murdered, and it was by people like the Venatori.  Humans from the future Tevinter Imperium?  The grasping followers of a would-be god?  People under the influence of red lyrium?  Why would they specifically choose to kill Mythal, and not Elgar'nan, if Mythal were not of utmost importance?

 

I'm thinking Mythal's murderers fell under "grasping followers of a would-be god."  They might also have been influenced by red lyrium.   Perhaps the would-be god is the source of the Blight?  Hard to say, but it speaks volumes about Mythal's importance to the pantheon.  It also explains Solas's remarks about true gods not needing great displays of power on the level of Corypheus.  If you need to kill the top god to become a god, yourself, well...

 

*gets the crazy eyes and hisses "wikiiiii"*

 

I'm not on board, but would take a few pages to explain why.  Interested in taking these things apart, or just want to keep them as they are?

[DragonRacer]

My memory is terrible are there any howling Hen'Harel's in other temples? 

 

Hmmm, I definitely remember seeing howling Fen'Harels along with the stags outside the Temple of Mythal entrance. They are also present when you first enter The Knights' Tomb, Din'an Hanin. And, of course, there is a black one on one side and a white one on the other side of the Offering to the Dread Wolf shrine in the Exalted Plains, over near the high dragon.

 

Otherwise, my memory is fuzzy as well. I feel like I saw more of the friendly guardian types than the howling types, but perception is a funny thing.

[Kittn]

Found some interesting things after disabling the fog while flying around the Crossroads. First off, there are two massive Fen'Harel statues in the background.
 
Second, the little building that Morrigan's eluvian exits from has one eluvian on each side, all whole. Each eluvian is flanked by two statues, different ones for each eluvian. I also put some close ups of the statues here.
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Fen'Harel Also Fen'Harel apaprently? (These exact statues are by the altar to Fen'Harel in the Exalted Plains.)
Andruil probably

Mythal maybe? Because the whole dragon imagery thing.

 

Oooh. I wonder, if you are of mind, would it be possible to get an image of what Morrigan's mirror is facing in the crossroads?

While running around Skyhold for post-game conversations, I went to check onthe Eluvian. It was singing pretty loudly, but not doing anything in particular. I was going to head out when I noticed that the wobbly reflection is nothing like what it should be reflecting. It's hard to explain, but it does appear to be a real reflection of somewhere... else? Just scrambled up.

If you treat the eluvian like a window and angle your camera around while standing near it, trying to peek through, you can see it, and it'll probably look like something different to everyone because of how melty it is.

Starting with the camera facing the right wall and the ground, I see what appears to be either a chasm, or broken wall with another Eluvian up against it. There's an eggshell white path, and grass in front of it. You can follow the eggshell path to the left with your camera, and up, and see the path continues over the grass and crosses over a chasm (or behind the broken wall) and into a forest. Angling all the way up reveals a patch of blue sky. It is definitely not reflecting the room you're in.

I've got some screenshots but I dunno if they will help it make any sense:

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Another Eluvian? Eluvian-ception!


Same reflected Eluvian, different angle of it. Seems to have a green.. something... on it. I see a mutant T-rex in profile with a hand growing out the back of its skull? LOL How's that for an ink blot test?


Path leading away to the left of the Dinosaur Eluvian. Seems to curve north and into a forest?


Angled towards the top of the mirror more. Can see the forest and a patch of blue sky

Fun stuff, no? Curious what everyone else sees.

[Patchwork]

Hmmm, I definitely remember seeing howling Fen'Harels along with the stags outside the Temple of Mythal entrance. They are also present when you first enter The Knights' Tomb, Din'an Hanin. And, of course, there is a black one on one side and a white one on the other side of the Offering to the Dread Wolf shrine in the Exalted Plains, over near the high dragon.

 

Otherwise, my memory is fuzzy as well. I feel like I saw more of the friendly guardian types than the howling types, but perception is a funny thing.

 

I remember seeing more friendly guardians than the howling ones too.

 

madrar might be on to something, the guardian types could be from his pretending to be a good boy period.  

[nranola]

I, too, have been pondering why Fen'Harel has two distinctly different statues: the howling wolf and the "friendly guardian", as I've come to think of them.

 

Mythal has two variants to her statues as well: a curled up dragon statue, and a humanoid statue devoid of arms. My game refuses to open so unfortunately I can't provide screenshots, but the first variant you can immediately see along the hallway upon entering the Temple of Mythal, and the second variant just further in up the stairs leading to the next area (iirc) - two massive humanoid statues in gold, can't miss it.

[HurricaneGinger]

Um. Uh...*ahem* So, I bonded with my Dragon Age tarot cards last night (slept with them under my pillow) and...

 

those fuckers gave me the most vivid dreams.

 

The last one wasn't entirely...innocent.

 

And yes, it involved Solas.

 

 

 

- Sad real life related rant, please feel free to skip. -

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I am sorry to go off topic, but I'm terribly sad. My dog is sick and she's not going to make it.
DA:I is helping me so much in not making me think about it. Tonight I had a weird dream, I was trying to find a way to help my dog, then Flemeth came to me and offered a way out... she was going to help, but then I woke up. I know this might sound creepy, of course it was just a dream. I just wanted to share this with someone, this whole situation is driving me mad... I don't know what I'd do without this game to distract me. Reading this thread and all your theories helps, too.

Gosh, I feel so sad. God.

... have a solas, so this post is not completely wasted

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I'm so sorry about your puppy. *hugs*

[DragonRacer]

Mythal has two variants to her statues as well: a curled up dragon statue, and a humanoid statue devoid of arms. My game refuses to open so unfortunately I can't provide screenshots, but the first variant you can immediately see along the hallway upon entering the Temple of Mythal, and the second variant just further in up the stairs leading to the next area (iirc) - two massive humanoid statues in gold, can't miss it.

 

Ah, yes, you are correct and I do remember both types you've described.

 

Further interesting that Mythal has statues representing her humanoid form and her transformational form... whereas Fen'Harel is depicted as nothing more than a Great Wolf either way.

 

(I really want to see that, btw. Solas, you tease, I want to see you howl at the moon just once, please, baby.   )

[madrar]

I would swear there was a tumblr around that consisted entirely of ripped graphics from game.  Not screenshots- actual textures and other discrete graphic elements: petroglyphs, mosaics, paintings, etc.  

 

Does this sound familiar to anyone?  I stumbled over it once, forgot to bookmark, and now google is giving me nothing useful.  TwT

[Kittn]

My memory is terrible are there any howling Hen'Harel's in other temples?

Several reclining friendly wolves in Dirthamen's temple. Also, there's a big ol golden version of the howling one in the room you can only access after beating the demon priest. The one with the chest that had the relic in it.

[drake2511]

Thank you so much guys, I'm collecting all your love and storing it into a box, I'll need it in the days to come. I love you all

Edit: I run out of likes because you are the most amazing people

Modifié par drake2511, 17 janvier 2015 - 08:35 .

[scintilla]

- Sad real life related rant, please feel free to skip. -

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I am sorry to go off topic, but I'm terribly sad. My dog is sick and she's not going to make it.
DA:I is helping me so much in not making me think about it. Tonight I had a weird dream, I was trying to find a way to help my dog, then Flemeth came to me and offered a way out... she was going to help, but then I woke up. I know this might sound creepy, of course it was just a dream. I just wanted to share this with someone, this whole situation is driving me mad... I don't know what I'd do without this game to distract me. Reading this thread and all your theories helps, too.

Gosh, I feel so sad. God.

... have a solas, so this post is not completely wasted

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I'm so sorry.

[TanisLave]

I would swear there was a tumblr around that consisted entirely of ripped graphics from game.  Not screenshots- actual textures and other discrete graphic elements: petroglyphs, mosaics, paintings, etc.  

 

Does this sound familiar to anyone?  I stumbled over it once, forgot to bookmark, and now google is giving me nothing useful.  TwT

I only know of the person who got all cloth textures together from the game. 

 

top of da' page, funny comic!

http://limpstella.tu...s-boring-im-not

 

wayy to big to put here. 

[vierrae]

 

Found some interesting things after disabling the fog while flying around the Crossroads. First off, there are two massive Fen'Harel statues in the background.

 

Second, the little building that Morrigan's eluvian exits from has one eluvian on each side, all whole. Each eluvian is flanked by two statues, different ones for each eluvian. I also put some close ups of the statues here.

[Large pics.]

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Fen'HarelAlso Fen'Harel apaprently? (These exact statues are by the altar to Fen'Harel in the Exalted Plains.)

Andruil probably

Mythal maybe? Because the whole dragon imagery thing.

 

I think, that each statue correponds with one of the deities.

 

- Sad real life related rant, please feel free to skip. -

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I am sorry to go off topic, but I'm terribly sad. My dog is sick and she's not going to make it.
DA:I is helping me so much in not making me think about it. Tonight I had a weird dream, I was trying to find a way to help my dog, then Flemeth came to me and offered a way out... she was going to help, but then I woke up. I know this might sound creepy, of course it was just a dream. I just wanted to share this with someone, this whole situation is driving me mad... I don't know what I'd do without this game to distract me. Reading this thread and all your theories helps, too.

Gosh, I feel so sad. God.

... have a solas, so this post is not completely wasted

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I feel for you, it's always so hard, when someone dear is about to pass. My thoughts are with you...

[nranola]

I would swear there was a tumblr around that consisted entirely of ripped graphics from game.  Not screenshots- actual textures and other discrete graphic elements: petroglyphs, mosaics, paintings, etc.  

 

Does this sound familiar to anyone?  I stumbled over it once, forgot to bookmark, and now google is giving me nothing useful.  TwT

 

http://pantymink.tum...ed/dai extracts

 

and some more here

 

http://thedosianimports.tumblr.com/

[sunhair]

I would swear there was a tumblr around that consisted entirely of ripped graphics from game.  Not screenshots- actual textures and other discrete graphic elements: petroglyphs, mosaics, paintings, etc.  

 

Does this sound familiar to anyone?  I stumbled over it once, forgot to bookmark, and now google is giving me nothing useful.  TwT

is it this tumblr http://thedosianimports.tumblr.com/

[DragonRacer]

Thank you so much guys, I'm collecting all your love and storing it into a box, I'll need it in the days to come. I love you all

 

You have my thoughts as well.

 

[DrTeatime]

Oooh. I wonder, if you are of mind, would it be possible to get an image of what Morrigan's mirror is facing in the crossroads?

While running around Skyhold for post-game conversations, I went to check onthe Eluvian. It was singing pretty loudly, but not doing anything in particular. I was going to head out when I noticed that the wobbly reflection is nothing like what it should be reflecting. It's hard to explain, but it does appear to be a real reflection of somewhere... else? Just scrambled up.

If you treat the eluvian like a window and angle your camera around while standing near it, trying to peek through, you can see it, and it'll probably look like something different to everyone because of how melty it is.

Starting with the camera facing the right wall and the ground, I see what appears to be either a chasm, or broken wall with another Eluvian up against it. There's an eggshell white path, and grass in front of it. You can follow the eggshell path to the left with your camera, and up, and see the path continues over the grass and crosses over a chasm (or behind the broken wall) and into a forest. Angling all the way up reveals a patch of blue sky. It is definitely not reflecting the room you're in.

I've got some screenshots but I dunno if they will help it make any sense:

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Another Eluvian? Eluvian-ception!


Same reflected Eluvian, different angle of it. Seems to have a green.. something... on it. I see a mutant T-rex in profile with a hand growing out the back of its skull? LOL How's that for an ink blot test?


Path leading away to the left of the Dinosaur Eluvian. Seems to curve north and into a forest?


Angled towards the top of the mirror more. Can see the forest and a patch of blue sky

Fun stuff, no? Curious what everyone else sees.

I see pretty much what you're describing.

And here's the view from Morrigan's eluvian.

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[dragondreamer]

I have a feeling they have limited resources for the art. So I'm gonna assume they're reusing assets in the game. 

 

Yeah.  One of the howling wolf statues in Exalted Plains is a landmark labeled "Broken Dog".

[vierrae]

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Second theory, regarding the Anchor:

 

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People have suggested that the Anchor is holding the bearer in place, and allows the bearer to slip between the Fade and the waking world on a whim.  Something about that doesn't seem quite right, though.

 

The Anchor came from that glowy green orb that belonged to Solas (or perhaps was originally Mythal's).  Given what we know of Solas and his goals, he has a lot of interest in the Fade and the Veil, and of course we hypothesize that he could be trying to take down the Veil.  But for now, he is strengthening it, so that spirits don't get warped into demons from the pain and shock.

 

What does this have to do with anything?

 

I think the Anchor may be holding the Veil in place.  It was originally part of the orb; Corypheus wanted it separated from the orb so that he would be able to use this tremendous power for himself, and get to the Black City.  Some of Solas's hand gestures suggest to me that originally, the Anchor was attached to Fen'harel (so why did he put it in an orb?  Safekeeping?).  All of those elven artifacts strengthen the Veil, but without the power of the Anchor, it comes loose and unravels.

 

This would also suggest that the orb's original location--or the location of another orb--would be within Skyhold (due to the past suggestion that there are two, because an ellipse requires two foci).  So, either Solas woke in Skyhold, or sooner or later he's going to have to return for the orb that got left behind.

 

Either way, the shiny green orb that is now broken contained the Anchor, which is now attached to the Inquisitor's hand.  The Inquisitor did not BECOME the Anchor.  She holds it, and with it, Solas says, "the key to our salvation."  Whose salvation?  Probably, the ancient Elvhen, or elves in general.  Though Solas may truly believe that everyone will benefit from... whatever it was Solas wanted to do with the Anchor.

 

If I'm right, then having the entirety of the Anchor's power means that the Inquisitor has the ability to either continue to uphold or completely remove the Veil, though he/she will probably need to go through some extra step or steps that we don't know yet to unlock that capacity--a failsafe, if you will.  Solas needed the Anchor for whatever he's planning to do--freeing the Old Gods and/or Creators, or removing the Veil, or both, or neither.

 

We also know that, had Solas gotten the orb, we would have seen whatever the truth was.  Perhaps he would have made another Anchor, or perhaps he would have been able to remove the Anchor from the Inquisitor.

 

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This theory is rather solid, but here comes question of Inquisitor's mortality. Clearly, the Anchor would vanish along with her/him, so what will be holding the Veil in this case?

[Kittn]

I see pretty much what you're describing.
And here's the view from Morrigan's eluvian.

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Well, it's not reflecting the Crossroads, then. Weird.

[Eivuwan]

Ok so this is what happens if you skip the third romance scene. Solas just acts like you guys were just friends and says he'll always respect you. Sigh, it seems like that last scene sealed the romance, so even though he broke up with you it's like it's not over.

[TanisLave]

Ok so this is what happens if you skip the third romance scene. Solas just acts like you guys were just friends and says he'll always respect you. Sigh, it seems like that last scene sealed the romance, so even though he broke up with you it's like it's not over.

You have to break up for him to -really- care about you!

[Addai]

OMG, since I started fast traveling from the war table I'm hearing music and banter I never heard before. I hadn't even realized that Val Royeux was supposed to have ambient music. And there's this banter where Solas asks Cole if he's never been interested in women since he became human.

 

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The answer was "no." Heh. I'd have loved a birds and bees discussion.

 

Also, I'm somewhat inclined to think that Falon'din is also stirring and that he was the entity that... TME spoiler

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killed Felassan.

And he's after Solas. There's this little nook in the Exalted Plains that's marked with Falon'din's symbols (is that right?) and it gives you a codex on Fen'Harel, the traditional story of him as betrayer. With the creepy skull that has tentacles growing out of its base.

 

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