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[HatUmbra]

I am studying this Latin text about the fall of Troy (I am dissertating . . . it's fun) and the translator notes that this is "one of the most despairing books ever written." Later, the author helpfully lets his readers know that there will be "no consolation" in this history.

 

Don't worry, now that I've romanced Solas, I got this.

 

Thank you, Solas.

 

Ah yes, those happy, joyful Greeks...didn't one of them say "Count no man happy until he is dead." or something to that effect in one of the Tragedies?

 

I think that the inevitability of the Tragedy of Solas and Lavellan's relationship is what appeals to me. It shouldn't; it should send me to the uninstall button and back to Terry Pratchett instead of Scott Lynch or Daniel Polansky, but it doesn't.  Even if Solas stayed after the 'end', he will watch her die eventually. He will know this and think of it every day and every joy will be fleeting to him because he's done it all before. If she goes on without him, she'll miss him, it will hurt, but she might get a 'normal' life either alone or with another. He can't win and I am as sorry as hell for an imaginary person. I don't know how humans deal with this stuff, but we do.

 

Sorry everyone...Cripes, i am making myself cry and i still have a night shift to work tonight. Although i admit that 10 hours of playing Cole and trying to make things better should improve my posting.

[Avejajed]

Yup! In the Western Approach, there's a little shrine to this creepy little guy. I think on the map it says "The Thing in the Dark" after you've claimed the landmark. *Shivers.*

One of the forgotten ones? You said short and squat? I dont think I've seen this yet in western approach bur maybe some God of Gluttony?..

Adam has taken over the Xbox so I can't go look for it right now but Im intrigued.

I haven't had a chance to look at the wiki yet but hopefully tomorrow I can poke my head in. I'm pretty sick so I fell asleep for awhile today after my great aunts funeral and then I played for a bit I'm the Exalted plains.

Which is quite possibly my least favorite map. Ever.

[Giton]

I'd say the best export of the text is the Helen measurement of beauty.

My favorite text dealing with Troy (besides Homer) is Chaucer's "Troilus and Criseyde," which has one of the most erotic scenes in Middle English poetry. In fact, I would argue that it is the most erotic scene in Middle English. Of course, it doesn't end well.

 

To tie this back to the thread (not really), Harry Bailey in the Canterbury Tales notes that he will reward the tale with the "best sentence" (moral instruction) and "most solas" (pleasure). So "solas" is a key term that is in play throughout the entire Canterbury Tales.

 

In short, in Middle English, "solas" can mean pleasure. Do with that what you will.

[slmisfit]

Yup! In the Western Approach, there's a little shrine to this creepy little guy. I think on the map it says "The Thing in the Dark" after you've claimed the landmark. *Shivers.*

Ugh yeah. I remember now. I'm pretty sure I made a very creeped out face and immediately left the cave after grabbing the landmark. Nooooo thank you. XD

[Kittn]

Yup! In the Western Approach, there's a little shrine to this creepy little guy. I think on the map it says "The Thing in the Dark" after you've claimed the landmark. *Shivers.*

I grabbed a screencap of it for anyone who hasn't come across the cave.

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Interesting thing, when I was looking for the corresponding Codex entry in my journal, I noticed something else had been updated; "Old Elven Writing" in the History section. It's from a rune found at the temple of Mythal during What Pride Hath Wrought. When I first found it, all the codex said was that it was so old it was incomprehensible. My Lavellan drank from the well. And, apparently now she can read it.

Food for the theorymongers out there:

Spoiler

In case the text in the screenshot is too small:

"This Elven writing found in the Arbor Wilds is so old as to be incomprehensible.

There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning.

'In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing.'

For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades."

I hope it makes sense to someone because I'm very curious now. Pillars of the earth? Who are "We"? Mythal's sentinels or someone else? And what could the image mean? So many questions!

[Brass_Buckles]

Whoa, I agree!  I didn't mean that to come off as combative- completely the opposite.  I wanted to know whether you were interested in people trying to poke holes in the theory as it stands, or whether you just wanted to present it.  owo   Would love to squeeze it into the wiki either way.  Some people have thinner skins than others when it comes to pet theories, and things have occasionally got a bit raw with people occasionally feeling a bit like they're coming under personal attack when others present counter-evidence.

 

I don't mind people poking at the theories, expanding on them, finding problems with them, etc. if it interests them and they do so respectfully.  It bothers me not at all if it's posted on a wiki/etc.

 

Your eagerness to attack it, however, along with your phrasing, did put me a bit on the defensive.  I will point out that you often speak of your own hypotheses as if they are canon, even if you do not believe they are canon.  This makes me wary.  I am open to discuss my ideas, certainly, but having my thoughts treated as if they were a condemned building in need of demolition would not, to me, be particularly fun.  It's likely just a matter of semantics, and I misread your eagerness.  It's easy to do so on the Internet.

 

That said, I don't have any hard feelings etc.  You've come up with some amazing ideas since I popped back into the thread after I beat the game.  I don't agree with all of them, but they're usually interesting.

[Fialka]

Wow... Looking at that render of Solas with hair (the first I've actually liked, by the way, though I think the baldness suits who he is now perfectly) makes me think... how awesome would it be if they put out a Solas DLC similar to Leliana's Song, where we get to play through some part of his past. (Bonus, if he looks like, well, that. To quote Sera, 'woof.') To see first hand what Arlathan was like, and solve problems Dread Wolf style where we're pitting people against each other and having to find creative solutions to things.

 

I know, it's not gonna happen, but, a girl can dream, right?

 

Regardless, they've built up the elven lore so much in Inquisition, I feel like it's a leading up to something big. And Solas must be part of it. Inquisition ends not with us, the player, but with him, after all. Let's just hope whatever the stupid egg is planning, it won't get him killed.

 

*weakly waves TEAM OPTIMISM flag*

[vierrae]

Man, I'm going to prep a sketch for the next draw session, so I don't look like such a dork. /sob

 

Really cool render by http://elyhumanoid.tumblr.com/

 

*gulp* I am so very in love and want this in game!

[Blackout62]

Sure, any Solas with hair is great as long as it's not Solas with red dreadlocks.

 

 

I know people will have different opinions but you can have red hair or dreadlocks, not both. I will not abide Solas' Raggedy Andy phase.

[BoscoBread]

I am studying this Latin text about the fall of Troy (I am dissertating . . . it's fun) and the translator notes that this is "one of the most despairing books ever written." Later, the author helpfully lets his readers know that there will be "no consolation" in this history.
 
Don't worry, now that I've romanced Solas, I got this.
 
Thank you, Solas.
 

Is that a spaced gif? Totally unrelated but that show....so good.

[Avejajed]

I grabbed a screencap of it for anyone who hasn't come across the cave.

Spoiler

Interesting thing, when I was looking for the corresponding Codex entry in my journal, I noticed something else had been updated; "Old Elven Writing" in the History section. It's from a rune found at the temple of Mythal during What Pride Hath Wrought. When I first found it, all the codex said was that it was so old it was incomprehensible. My Lavellan drank from the well. And, apparently now she can read it.

Food for the theorymongers out there:

Spoiler

In case the text in the screenshot is too small:

"This Elven writing found in the Arbor Wilds is so old as to be incomprehensible.

There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning.

'In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing.'

For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades."

I hope it makes sense to someone because I'm very curious now. Pillars of the earth? Who are "We"? Mythal's sentinels or someone else? And what could the image mean? So many questions!

Whats the quote from the black emporium about two eclipses as Fen'Harel stirs or something.

I swear it seems familliar to this about overlapping spheres.

[Giton]

Is that a spaced gif? Totally unrelated but that show....so good.

Yes, it is. 

[jellobell]

Yeah, Romeo and Juliet isn't the right dynamic.  It's more...Abelard and Heloise, maybe?  Or, better: Cupid and Psyche.  In a similar vein, the couple from "East of the Sun, West of the Moon."

YES. I was about to make that comparison when everyone was talking about Twilight. If you're going to compare the romance to a myth or folk tale then it should be those ones. It's not a perfect fit, because in true fairy-tale form it's the woman that makes some sort of mistake which drives her lover away. But East of the Sun, West of the Moon (and Cupid and Psyche) has some very interesting parallels. Of course, comparing Solas's romance to any fairytale is by nature going to simplify a lot of the complexity of the relationship, because fairytales don't really deal in complexity. But elements of the structure of the tale is strikingly similar: A man must hide his true nature from the woman he loves, they are only able to carry on their relationship so long as his identity is not known to her, when she finds out he is forced to leave, she must then go on a journey to find him again and use her wits to save him so they can once again be together.

 

Of course, this is a very common structure for a dramatic romance to take. It's the same structure as Blackwall's romance, in fact, except for him you actually get to play out that last leg of the story, whereas Solas's is stuck at the pre-resolution plot point. 

[Renmiri1]

Solas undies I just saw with flycam (I'm modding stuff)

 

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[Fialka]

"This Elven writing found in the Arbor Wilds is so old as to be incomprehensible.

There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning.

'In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing.'

For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades."
 

Interesting. I always forget to go back to the codex entries after drinking from the well. I think it has been mentioned on the thread before though. I don't remember all the possible interpretations.

 

I can't help but read the first line and think of darkspawn hunting the Old Gods. The darkspawn 'scurry, witless, soulless. 'This death will be a mercy,' not 'their deaths will be a mercy,' so I'm thinking the merciful death does not reference the 'witless, soulless' ones. If the Old Gods are corrupted, death would be a mercy, or it could be that death frees them from whatever trapped them in the first place. Then there's the line about the earth blossoming with 'their passing' - the end goal of all this.

 

If I'm interpreting this right, it certainly gives credence to the Old Gods as keys theory. I wonder what the two spheres could be? The two worlds, maybe - The Void and the 'old world' (where Fade and material world were one), or the Fade and the material world now. The imagery of the two spheres could also have something to do with the orb, if it is in fact one of a pair.

 

So were darkspawn actually created by the elven gods, then? It would be indirect, of course... Elves create Old Gods, Old Gods tempt Magisters, Magisters become first darkspawn. There was that theory going around about Andruil discovering the blight during her hunting expeditions in the Void.

 

Or I have it all wrong and the 'witless, soulless' workers are something else. Enslaved elves, maybe?

 

Also, the whole 'earth blooming' thing... Things grow when two worlds overlap. Red lyrium? Imshael, one of the Forgotten Ones from the Void, does call himself the 'gardener.' But red lyrium was found by accident. I wonder if it surfacing sooner than 'planned' is setting things in motion a lot more quickly than expected - hence Solas's sense of urgency.

 

Ugh... thinking out loud... Sorry it's a mess. I'm likely way off base, or it's all been said before, but more coherently.

[Eivuwan]

Solas undies I just saw with flycam (I'm modding stuff)

 

Spoiler

 

There needs to be a scene with Lavellan sheepishly gifting Solas with new clothes that he would actually wear in Skyhold.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I am going to start the Solas romance again and this time this character is much more soft and warm versus Halinia. So say hello to Malia Lavellan!

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[Sashimi_taco]

Okay so ....someone... has finally finished chapter 5 of The Young Wolf.

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/6932204

 

I'm so glad that is updated. It has not been proof read yet because... the person... has not done it yet.

 

It may have gotten a little out of control with the sex. But....they.... just went with where they felt it was going. 

 

I mean what kind of weirdo writes such smut? Not me. That's for sure. It's this author. What a weirdo....>_>

[Fialka]

Whats the quote from the black emporium about two eclipses as Fen'Harel stirs or something.

I swear it seems familliar to this about overlapping spheres.

Copied from the DA Wiki (spoilered for length):

 

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Messere Darvies, you said that a scholar's life is not for everyone. Now I understand—I couldn't be more frustrated by the marvel I have sent you. Chief among its pre-Tevinter strangeness, the volumes are automatos: new entries appear of their own accord, with no scrivener's quill in sight. When a mage consultant says it's impossible, but your own eyes see it happen—and often—it's clearly a wonder.

 

But the content! Each new addition is single image created unseen, accompanied by a line of gibberish. And what bogglers these imitari! Records of the mundane and the fantastic with no rhythm or weight. I have observed a dragon in flight, a man in regal robes but of a complexion I have never seen, countless peoples at the moment of death, and no end of devices I cannot fathom in the least. The only image remotely familiar was extremely so: mine own wife! But the babble of the legend gave no hint to the significance, and that volume has since vanished.

 

I cannot imagine the purpose, or the library that could hold what has surely been accumulated. It would be as though transcribing the individual birds of a flock twittering about you. A dozen images appeared as I wrote this, and by the time you hold this, they will be lost in a thousand more. To be granted the world at once both intimate and distant is almost unbearable. I know so much is there, but can never know it, myself. It makes one feel very small, indeed.

 

The newest pages:
-A newborn of Rivaini complexion subtitled "bE qlK"
-A hornless Qunari with tightly braided hair, subtitled "viqpbkle abfi vlskb beQ"
-My wife again! Subtitled "illc x akxypre obe ,prqflz qplM"
-Two shadowed spheres among stars subtitled "aboofqp iboxE'kbC px bpmfizb kX"

 

The scrambled stuff is a cipher. Decoded, "aboofqp iboxE'kbC px bpmfizb kX"  is  "An eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred."

[Lady Luminous]

Wow, I knew I was angry at Solas, but I didn't think it would carry over so deeply into my other playthrough!

Abaeni reaaaallly doesn't like the guy and wants to punch him.

[Kittn]

Collaboration, interested? 
http://lucife56.devi...ation-506671562

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I would love to see my Tiger Festival in there, but there's no way in the world I can match that skill. My art is way too cartoony. If you are willing to put her in there I would be eternally grateful.

Screens of Tiger if you're so inclined:

Spoiler

Her outfit (out of focus because Solas):


Closeup of Vallaslin-less face. I dunno about that expression. Why does she have to make a face in every single screenshot?


I mean, really, Tiger.

Either way, it looks amazing. I'm eager to see the finished work.

[laurelinvanyar]

Off topic, anyone disappointed that Morrigan went back to her DAO clothes? I mean they look nice and they're iconic, but who wears the same outfit for a decade lol.

 

On topic, Solas is so cuteee.

I've headcannoned that she found a liking for the finer things in life (silks, velvets, ect) at the imperial court but went back to her apostate outfit just to annoy Leliana. 

 

And yes, Solas is super cute. 

[Eivuwan]

Okay so ....someone... has finally finished chapter 5 of The Young Wolf.

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/6932204

 

I'm so glad that is updated. It has not been proof read yet because... the person... has not done it yet.

 

It may have gotten a little out of control with the sex. But....they.... just went with where they felt it was going. 

 

I mean what kind of weirdo writes such smut? Not me. That's for sure. It's this author. What a weirdo....>_>

 

yes yes yes! Another time travel fan fic. *Starts reading*

[Eomie]

So, I was reading through the post on hear and read where someone was talking about the green lyrium in the hissing waste...._{I think.}

Well I am not sure it was a type of lyriums, but possibly glowing slime, which leechs lyrium from the stone.....

[Fialka]

Hmm... so regarding the 'prophesy' in the Black Emporium book... It seems that some event (rendered as two shadowed spheres overlapping/in eclipse) triggered Solas' awakening. I remember a mosaic depicting two cirles overlapping. Where was that again? In Dirthamen's temple?