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[AutumnOracle]

Cause it's the topic we are on today.  I just rewatched the Fenris romance arc and have decided that's what I'm hoping for with Solas too.  He's too wrapped up in his own stuff to realize just how important we are to him. Then when life slaps him upside the head with reality he realizes how awesome we are and comes back to us.  In the DLC right?  Right???

[nikki-tikki]

He better come back. Bioware cleaved a giant hole in my heart. Thanks Bioware. 

[BoscoBread]

Ummm... there's the likening it to Twilight (because, you know, Twilight was the first piece of fiction ever to include the god/demon/mythological figure falls for a mortal thing... oh, wait ), that's it's stupid to like a romance that ends in a break-up... There have also been people criticizing the lack of sex scene... Those are just off the top of my head.

Twilight: Yes, because the first thing I thought of was "Twilight"(all 50% of the first book I read and never touching the others).  Not the mountains of greek myths that exist with Zeus banging literally every woman in Greece as a swan, a ball of light, as himself AS ANYTHING.  BARF...that's what I say to "those" people.

 

Break-up: Ummm...omg every romance on genre television.  Normal/happy relationships are usually never the ones people watch for.  If there is one - it's like a secondary character's marriage or something.  People love the will the/won't they.  The hope that the main couple will be together.

 

Sex Scene: I cannot hit ESC fast enough during the awkward DA:O sex scenes.  There aren't enough words for how stupid this criticism is.

[nikki-tikki]

Cause it's the topic we are on today.  I just rewatched the Fenris romance arc and have decided that's what I'm hoping for with Solas too.  He's too wrapped up in his own stuff to realize just how important we are to him. Then when life slaps him upside the head with reality he realizes how awesome we are and comes back to us.  In the DLC right?  Right???

YES. I was hoping for this too...why is it always the elf romances that they make the saddest???

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Illyria]

Guys, you really have to stop me from visiting scuttlebutt...

 

I'm kind of worried about the sheer number of fans who come to the BSN just to talk about how Bioware is going downhill and this is the worst game ever (until the next one, I quess.  In which case these people will be saying 'why isn't this more like DAI?')  People who spend time talking about how they hate something... it just seems like a waste of energy to me.  They could be doing something that they enjoy, but no.  They play DAI and then come here to complain.

 

On topic: Coryfish is just as bad as Leliana when it comes to Solas.  She doesn't bother in checking his story and and Coryfish (in the bad future) is just 'yup.  There's that elf that gave me this orb.  I'll just put him in an ordinary cell.  Seem secure.'

[Avejajed]

Not OP (obvs), but I am frequently impressed by the literary/scientific references that are bandied about in a routine manner. We've got some of the more appealing high-brow/low-brow combinations I've seen on the Interwebs.

I'm good at the low-brow.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[NightSymphony]

"If you can't say something nice...don't say anything at all." - Thumper

 

[Illyria]

See, I don't even know if Coryfish even recognizes Solas AT ALL. I think he might've pulled a "My, what a generic elf you are! Into the cell with the rest of the generic elves! Have fun growing Lyrium. Don't forget to whine~!"

 

I'm not even sure why the Inquisitor's party members were locked up in the first place (other than 'you're going to need four party members and the final scene wont look as dramatic with Ostagar Guard').  They weren't all Lyrium-ified like Fiona was so they weren't being used to grow the stuff and, in the case of Solas and Viv, also very, very dangerous even unarmed.

[Rabbitonfire]

Cause it's the topic we are on today.  I just rewatched the Fenris romance arc and have decided that's what I'm hoping for with Solas too.  He's too wrapped up in his own stuff to realize just how important we are to him. Then when life slaps him upside the head with reality he realizes how awesome we are and comes back to us.  In the DLC right?  Right???

I say he knows we're important and acknowledges that it was "real" love. One of my favorite quotes is: "Love is the death of duty". If Solas could left go of the past, forget his responsibilities, and live in the present with his loved one. He would. But he feels bounded to correct his mistakes. If he lets go of a woman's love, he can fulfill his honor without any costs. 

 

I'm terrible at explaining so here's the GoT conversation:

Spoiler

Maester Aemon: "Tell me, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night's Watch take no wives and father no children?"

Jon Snow: "No."

Aemon: "So they will not love. Love is the death of duty. If the day should ever come when your lord father was forced to choose between honor on the one hand and those he loves on the other, what would he do?"

Jon: "He... He would do whatever was right. No matter what."

Aemon: "Then Lord Stark is one man in 10,000. Most of us are not so strong. What is honor compared to a woman's love? And what is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or a brother's smile?

Jon: "Sam told you."

Aemon: "We're all human. Oh, we all do our duty when there's no cost to it. Honor comes easy then. Yet sooner or later in every man's life there comes a day when it's not easy. A day when he must choose.

Jon: "And this is my day? Is that what you are saying?"

Aemon: "Oh, it hurts, boy, Oh, yes. I know."

 

I once gave people here a psycological test to see if they would save a single loved one or save a group of strangers. Many prefer to let the group die because of the emotional connection with that loved one.

[AryBoBary]

I'm kind of worried about the sheer number of fans who come to the BSN just to talk about how Bioware is going downhill and this is the worst game ever (until the next one, I quess.  In which case these people will be saying 'why isn't this more like DAI?')  People who spend time talking about how they hate something... it just seems like a waste of energy to me.  They could be doing something that they enjoy, but no.  They play DAI and then come here to complain.

 

On topic: Coryfish is just as bad as Leliana when it comes to Solas.  She doesn't bother in checking his story and and Coryfish (in the bad future) is just 'yup.  There's that elf that gave me this orb.  I'll just put him in an ordinary cell.  Seem secure.'

 

See, yes, this, right here.  I actually never played a BW game before DA2 (I was balls-deep in EQ2 and GW - go ahead, take a moment to ready your tomatos), and around that time, DA2 was being released.  After I beta'd it I was like "WHERE HAS THIS BEEN ALL OF MY LIFE!?"

 

So I don't hate-hate DA2.  After playing DAO, I understood what people were saying negatively about it, and I certainly had my own grievances to boot, but that didn't make the entire experience hogwash for me, and I certainly wouldn't have taken my own opinions and shoved them down another person's internet-throat, because they saw or felt things differently than I.  What am I, a heathen?!

 

*breaths heavily* - only for Solas.  ZOINK.

 

I appreciate people's varying opinions on things, because it helps develop my half-baked, sleep-deprived ones!  

 

What I'm trying to say, is... .... is... is....

 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[LliiraAnna]

I'm not even sure why the Inquisitor's party members were locked up in the first place (other than 'you're going to need four party members and the final scene wont look as dramatic with Ostagar Guard').  They weren't all Lyrium-ified like Fiona was so they weren't being used to grow the stuff and, in the case of Solas and Viv, also very, very dangerous even unarmed.

As far as I understood, Alexius needed, ugh, living people for his experiments. Leliana just proved to be the most Taint-resistant one out of them 

 

Edit: not a very good exuse, but still.

[Illyria]

As far as I understood, Alexius needed, ugh, living people for his experiments. Leliana just proved to be the most Taint-resistant one. 

 

Except they were just in ordinary cells.  I've just done this section wtih Varric and Solas and thought 'you know, Solas could just blast down the door and Varric could pick the lock.'

[Avejajed]

I think I'm a special case because I played all three games many times and loved each one equally.

I have very few issues with da2 and basically none at all with inquisition. Origins is the only game I don't replay as much because...it feels so slow now.

[LliiraAnna]

Except they were just in ordinary cells.  I've just done this section wtih Varric and Solas and thought 'you know, Solas could just blast down the door and Varric could pick the lock.'

And then what? I mean, the world is basically doomed. Even if they do get out of the castle (which is unlikely), what would they do?

[AutumnOracle]

I say he knows we're important and acknowledges that it was "real" love. One of my favorite quotes is: "Love is the death of duty". If Solas could left go of the past, forget his responsibilities, and live in the present with his loved one. He would. But he feels bounded to correct his mistakes. If he lets go of a woman's love, he can fulfill his honor without any costs. 

 

I'm terrible at explaining so here's the GoT conversation:

Spoiler

Maester Aemon: "Tell me, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night's Watch take no wives and father no children?"

Jon Snow: "No."

Aemon: "So they will not love. Love is the death of duty. If the day should ever come when your lord father was forced to choose between honor on the one hand and those he loves on the other, what would he do?"

Jon: "He... He would do whatever was right. No matter what."

Aemon: "Then Lord Stark is one man in 10,000. Most of us are not so strong. What is honor compared to a woman's love? And what is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or a brother's smile?

Jon: "Sam told you."

Aemon: "We're all human. Oh, we all do our duty when there's no cost to it. Honor comes easy then. Yet sooner or later in every man's life there comes a day when it's not easy. A day when he must choose.

Jon: "And this is my day? Is that what you are saying?"

Aemon: "Oh, it hurts, boy, Oh, yes. I know."

 

I once gave people here a psycological test to see if they would save a single loved one or save a group of strangers. Many prefer to leave the group die because of the emotional connection with that loved one.

 Wish I could get it to quote the rest. I would even agree with this as not mutually exclusive.  In my headcannon Solas does not have sex with the Quizzy.  Not that they don't want to(cause **** they are hot together).  But because if he does go that far he knows that he won't be able to stop himself and complete his duty.  I still hope that he'll come to a choice and won't be able to make the choice that takes him away from us.  

 

However I am a hopeless romantic. And if they end it tragically I will probably be just as happy to have closure and cry with Quizzy at the loss of what could have been.  

[Illyria]

As far as I understood, Alexius needed, ugh, living people for his experiments. Leliana just proved to be the most Taint-resistant one out of them 

 

Edit: not a very good exuse, but still.

 

And.. and why was it Leliana being experimented on?  Fiona was cured of the taint.  And Alexius was just using her to grow lyrium?  I love this quest, but the villians are idiots.

 

EDIT:  I am pretty sure Alexius went to the Warden Kuril's School of Being A Great Villian.  Yes, Kuril.  Let Commander Shepard roam around your base with her allies and fully armed!

[Rabbitonfire]

And then what? I mean, the world is basically doomed. Even if they do get out of the castle (which is unlikely), what would they do?

Die more comfortably.

[Cezelle]

Is it just me who thinks that the sex scenes add nothing more than a confirmation that they did the deed? (which could also be achieved with a fade to black which I don't mind but anyway) It always ends with me staring at the screen and going "Oh, that was kind of awkward..." I'd rather they did it like they did with Solas' romance so we can leave it up to our imaginations if they did it in the first place and who was dominant or submissive or neither.

[Eivuwan]

 

I am eager.  I don't deny that at all.  The disconnect is interpreting that eagerness as "Yay!  I get to smash somebody's carefully thought out idea to make them feel terrible!" instead of what it actually is:  "Yay!  New and interesting idea!  I’m going to throw all the logic and counter-evidence I possibly can at this thing, and if it’s still standing at the end, maybe it’s solid enough for us to use as foundation!"

 

That core process is how we start to build the larger picture.   Everything we post here is theory.  Nothing is Law.  Since our pool of evidence is limited, it's entirely possible for us to come up with ideas that are plausible but don’t reflect how Gaider’s actual world works.   Still, if we start to use these solid pieces to build on, extrapolating further ideas using them as our basis, we should eventually spot the kinds of inconsistencies and counter-evidence that force us to re-examine the bad ones and discard them.

 

I certainly don’t intend to present anything I’ve presented as being The Truth.  I feel pretty strongly that some pieces are solid enough to justify working from in the absence of counter-theory, like Triad Fission and Choice magic.  But it's all still just theory, and if it's come off as more, I apologize.  I’ve been really wrong about things.  There was a time when I thought Solas might have been single-handedly responsible for raising the veil with the power of “his” orb.  

 

....   =w=

 

So terrible.  Huge logical flaws.  Massive counter-evidence.  Discarded.   I also originally thought he left at the end of the game because he'd given up trying to salvage the modern world, not the inverse.  Again: theory held until convincingly counter-indicated, then immediately discarded.

 

At the end of the day, all I’m interested in is building a big picture of how the DA universe that's as close to what Gaider has in mind as we can get using logic and the evidence we're given in game.  I don’t care whose ideas we build on.  I certainly don’t care about credit, bragging rights, or internet cookies.  The Makers are the only ones who can confirm any of these theories as Law, and they’re not hanging out here.

 

We're all on the same team, with the same objective: we want to understand how the world works, what Solas' place is in it, and what that might be able to tell us about the future of the game.  The whole collaborative theory/evaluation/counter theory process is the best way to get there, but it relies on people understanding that doing our best to tear apart a theory is is very different from attacking the theorist. 

 

That said, I respect the boundaries of anyone who just wants to present their thoughts, which is why I asked. Knowing exactly where people stand on the issue could save a lot of bruised feelings in the long run.  

 

 

I think all the "arguments" on here usually comes down to either someone being too sensitive or someone not being careful enough with their word choice and style. I don't think anyone ever intends to be offensive and that's why when the inevitable argument comes up, it gets resolved within a couple of pages.

 

I do wonder why we have fewer trolls and extremists on here compared to other threads (not that I want them here). It just seems like this thread by its nature would attract some Solas bashers. However, it seems like they have decided to stay on reddit and tumblr.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Ajna]

I think all the "arguments" on here usually comes down to either someone being too sensitive or someone not being careful enough with their word choice and style. I don't think anyone ever intends to be offensive and that's why when the inevitable argument comes up, it gets resolved within a couple of pages.

 

I do wonder why we have fewer trolls and extremists on here compared to other threads (not that I want them here). It just seems like this thread by its nature would attract some Solas bashers. However, it seems like they have decided to stay on reddit and tumblr.

 

We did have a troll once, he didn't last long, we all ignored him.

 

Maybe we have a protective bubble, maybe it's magic...

 

The special Solas protective bubble of love.

 

 

I actually had to go find this gif and ended up on page 114-ish of the thread, and I was thinking "Omg where are these people?  WHERE DID THEY GO?".