I just checked my two completed saves (well the ones I kept). Both have the romance card with the big white X on it (damn you white X!). Were you angry at the break up? I didn't get angry in those two.
Nope, stoic response, the "we can find what you need together" one. Did you drink from the well?
Nope, stoic response, the "we can find what you need together" one. Did you drink from the well?
One I did (the mage) and one I did not (the rogue). Still romance cards for both.
All this talk about happy and sad endings...
I want a Scooby Doo ending!
The Tower card sure makes it look like Solas and the spirit of the Dread Wolf are separate entities, however bound. Or perhaps Solas really does cast a gigantic six eyed shadow.
I actually really like how the raspberry looks on Cole, but I just didn't care much for how it looked on Solas' battlemage mail.
Allegedly Falon'Din/Dirthamen are her kids. [Possibly along with Andruil/Sylaise/June]. I'm sure some of that is just legend, but...it does not paint a good picture on her track record.
Would explain why there are five babies in the depiction of Mythal at the temple...
Makes sense too that they are family when you drop the god angle and go with very powerful mages, a royal bloodline of sorts.
If you go off of legend, the entire elven pantheon with the exception of Fen'Harel and Ghilan'nain are related. I'm guessing Fen'Harel would have been more like an adopted son than an actual son, but who knows! It definitely seems like one big, messed up family.
Yes, I see Fen'Harel as an adopted son, too. Maybe Mythal planned on making him the successor? The new ruler of the elves. And her real kids didn't like that one bit and that's why she was killed? Just a random thought...
Maybe Mythal was fed up with her husband and her kids who behaved like brats who brought chaos to elven society. Then Fen'Harel came along, caught her eye. She liked his rebellious fire and saw an opportunity for change. Maybe the lover angle plays into it too (the Andraste parallel is too strong to ignore). He could have been both to her, it's not THAT fu*ked up...
Maybe she's been trying to recreate her beloved Dread Wolf in Morrigan. They really are so much alike... taking into consideration that Morrigan is supposed to be the next incarnation of Mythal, one could see the whole thing as Mythal trying to become Fen'Harel in a way. Become what she admired. And when he absorbed her she kind of got what she wanted. Ok, this is not making any sense, sorry.
It's far more likely that Mythal just raised them both in her image and uses them for her own vengeful plans. She obviously is far from done and preserved a part of her soul.
Dang it! I can't find the stupid post. It is entirely possibly that the whole idea is an alcohol-dream brought on by excessive New Years and Doctoral Candidate Acceptance Letter celebrations (see how I did that, there? I've been "casually" mentioning that in pretty much every single conversation I've had since January 5th... Pretty sure my husband is ready to run from the house, screaming and bleeding from the ears at this point 
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Ahem... sorry for the diversion. In any case- I think that I saw a post on IGN (?) a few weeks back that mentioned that Solas is supposed to have a fourth card- one that appears after All New, Faded for Her is complete. I assumed it was right because Solas' card has never once changed for me on the character selection screen, only in the codex, through 3 playthroughs. (2 romanced, 1 not) I figured it just never showed up b/c ANFFH has never triggered as "complete" for me.
Blah blah blah, this doesn't matter.
Yeah, I was like .. wtf the Queen would not just bugger off and- you know what? Fine. I'm over the Warden now, she can do whatever. Just give me a happy-ish ending with Solas.
I know, I was like "What the hell Anora, you just let him run off into the wilderness? You're supposed to be the one holding his leash, woman!"
I just wanted to pop in and say I miss you guys and haven't been able to get my daily dose of Solas crack/theories/smut/screenshots/fanart. Last week was hell and this week is shittier due to lots of work. It's going to be hard trying to catch up with this thread, but I look forward to it this weekend. 
One I did (the mage) and one I did not (the rogue). Still romance cards for both.
Weird. Hmm, I guess maybe that playthrough was just bugged? I'll try again.
A little of both I think. What I got from Mythal/Flemeth is she very much has a dual nature...maybe that comes from Mythal being merged with Flemeth, who was once mortal, or being consort to Elgar'nan...or maybe because all spirits/gods have a dual nature to them. She is a protector and represents justice, but her help comes at a cost (always has a catch) and she also represents vengeance. She represents nature and rebirth, so therefore she must also represent death--nurturing but vengeful.I think what I was originally wondering is whether we have gotten Morrigan wrong or Flemeth wrong. Was she really that terrible of a mother? Or was it that, yes, she was a terrible mother, but only because she is a goddess and needed to prepare Morrigan for becoming a goddess. Goddess first, who cares about mothering? Urgh... well, that certainly fits in with NPD right there.
All this talk about happy and sad endings...
I want a Scooby Doo ending!
The Tower card sure makes it look like Solas and the spirit of the Dread Wolf are separate entities, however bound. Or perhaps Solas really does cast a gigantic six eyed shadow.
lol..I had to..
https://www.youtube....h?v=Ld7mo_r9PD8
Nope, stoic response, the "we can find what you need together" one. Did you drink from the well?
That was the response I picked, still got the card. Were you able to talk to him about the breakup at Skyhold? I did notice when I was playing through that one of the options seemed to glitch, and I was no longer able to talk about the romance and it acted like it was not engaged. [And this was not by picking the break up option before he did.]
Sounds like a bug.
Dang it! I can't find the stupid post. It is entirely possibly that the whole idea is an alcohol-dream brought on by excessive New Years and Doctoral Candidate Acceptance Letter celebrations (see how I did that, there? I've been "casually" mentioning that in pretty much every single conversation I've had since January 5th... Pretty sure my husband is ready to run from the house, screaming and bleeding from the ears at this point
Ahem... sorry for the diversion. In any case- I think that I saw a post on IGN (?) a few weeks back that mentioned that Solas is supposed to have a fourth card- one that appears after All New, Faded for Her is complete. I assumed it was right because Solas' card has never once changed for me on the character selection screen, only in the codex, through 3 playthroughs. (2 romanced, 1 not) I figured it just never showed up b/c ANFFH has never triggered as "complete" for me.
I've never had Cassandra's card change except the one time she became Divine. So it's possible some cards just don't change often. I mean, I know it changes if you romance her but obviously I haven't. So she has 3 card, Solas has 3 cards (that I've seen), Blackwall has 3 cards, etc. - and obviously you only see some cards if you romance the person.
That was the response I picked, still got the card. Were you able to talk to him about the breakup at Skyhold? I did notice when I was playing through that one of the options seemed to glitch, and I was no longer able to talk about the romance and it acted like it was not engaged. [And this was not by picking the break up option before he did.]
Sounds like a bug.
Yep I was able to do that, the "will you explain after the battle" conversation right? Is there more after that one? I may have missed that.
A happy Solas for top.
Yep I was able to do that, the "will you explain after the battle" conversation right? Is there more after that one? I may have missed that.
That's the right one! I wouldn't worry about it then. Just weird tarot card nonsense. I don't think it will change how your game reads the romance flag.
It's little things like this that make it hard for me to believe Solas and Lavellan never had sex. It's like he pretends to have his indomitable self control...except he loses control in battle (lighting his breeches on fire), getting tipsy at Halamshiral, at the mages who killed his spirit friend (don't blame him for being pissed, just saying), every time you touch him he can't help but kiss you...etcetera. I mean, my Lavellan wouldn't have kept her hands to herself for that long and I can't imagine he could help himself. And yet the story does seem to indicate they never actually got it on,though it is slightly open to interpretation. IMO
I sort of came around on this. At first I was like, NO WAY, b/c Solas is too noble. And then I was like, ya know what? I bet that impulsive bastard (said w/ exasperation and affection) did allow it to happen, at least once. Oh sure, he felt guilty afterwards, but what's a little more guilt on top of the massive complex he already carries around?
That said, I really do believe that it can be ambiguous, depending on Lavellan. For all the dom!Solas fic out there, I really think that Lavellan set the boundaries and called the shots. Thus, a very come-hither character could easily have overcome Solas' misgivings (Solas: No, we shouldn't. Lavellan: Come on, you'll like it. Solas: Okay.), whereas a reserved and demure Lavellan would never have pushed things to that point. Of course, it's harder (but not impossible) to RP the latter, since all the flirts have to come from Lavellan.
There's only three cards for Solas, so if it doesn't change with the romance, that is a bug. He doesn't have a friendship card though.
- Default Card; Hermit
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- Romance Card; The Hierophant. [You get this at the final romance scene.]
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- End of the game [Solas not romanced]: The Tower
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Woah, I haven't seen the card of unromanced Solas yet. Scaaary 
Why the hell is it so sinister?! The one with the white wolf is so fluffy cute. Damn, they are really playing on the duality of his character big time. Savior or hangman? I really hope we get to have a say in what he becomes in the end...
I've never had Cassandra's card change except the one time she became Divine. So it's possible some cards just don't change often. I mean, I know it changes if you romance her but obviously I haven't. So she has 3 card, Solas has 3 cards (that I've seen), Blackwall has 3 cards, etc. - and obviously you only see some cards if you romance the person.
Right, but I have 2 playthroughs where I've romanced him, and the card still doesn't change. I just now went back to check some old save game states, and it stays the same until the very, very end, when it changes to the tower card with an X over it. Also- the wolf in my tower card is white, not black. Is the same for everyone, or is it another bug? I've had some other issues with colors and graphics, so it could easily be a bug
Yep I was able to do that, the "will you explain after the battle" conversation right? Is there more after that one? I may have missed that.
I got the romance card but the "will you explain after the battle" never triggered for me. After the breakup, he was back to coldly calling me Inquisitor and having nothing much to say.
Right, but I have 2 playthroughs where I've romanced him, and the card still doesn't change. I just now went back to check some old save game states, and it stays the same until the very, very end, when it changes to the tower card with an X over it. Also- the wolf in my tower card is white, not black. Is the same for everyone, or is it another bug? I've had some other issues with colors and graphics, so it could easily be a bug
Woah, that's new, can you get us screenshot Gloves?
The Tower card sure makes it look like Solas and the spirit of the Dread Wolf are separate entities, however bound. Or perhaps Solas really does cast a gigantic six eyed shadow.
Anyone watched Hellsing? I'm just saying...
Woah, I haven't seen the card of unromanced Solas yet. Scaaary
Why the hell is it so sinister?! The one with the white wolf is so fluffy cute. Damn, they are really playing on the duality of his character big time. Savior or hangman? I really hope we get to have a say in what he becomes in the end...
They are. The tower and the hierophant are cards very much opposed to one another. The tower demands change by tearing the structure down, while the hierophant encourages to stay the course and not take hasty action.
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