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[laurelinvanyar]

How young are we talking?

 

Somebody needs to photoshop pointy ears on this. 

[dragondreamer]

 

Oh, honey, same here. When Lavellan met Cole, her maternal instincts flared. Hard. I imagine she imprinted on him as her baby like a mother cat adopting a duckling, and kept fussing and fretting over him like a mother hen for the rest of the game. I imagine Cole got really uncomfortable with her constantly trying to adjust his collar, and Solas constantly had to remind her he wasn't a mortal child he could parent like that. (I'm sorry now that I couldn't bring him along the party more, but I headcanon that she wanted to keep him out of combat out of concern for his safety, and felt he could do a lot of good comforting people back at Skyhold.)

 

I don't think she ever felt fully confident in her decision to make him more human, but some of their interactions later were just touching. When she took him out to lunch and he said, "Gentle. You watch me walk into darkness over and over and always worry. Thank you." And the scene near the end, after they see Corypheus body-hop and Cole gets upset wondering over whether he failed to help the real Cole. And he tells the Inquisitor the story of how he held the real Cole's hand as he died and Cole had said "Thank you," then Cole says "Thank you" to the Inquisitor? D'awwwwwww!!

 

My Lavellan doesn't see Cole as a small child, but she still sees him like a son.  The equivalent in her mind is something close to the da'len hunters in a clan.  He can fight to protect the clan and be helpful, and that's encouraged.  But she does worry about him, which is why she always keeps him close instead of sending him out on his own or with others on missions.  She made Cole more spirit, because she wanted to do what was best for Cole, and she trusted Solas' judgment about spirits.  Sometimes he's difficult for her to understand, but she considers that something she needs to learn.  Mostly she's happy that he's happy, and she feels better knowing that he can return to the Fade when he wants, should there ever be a time when she can't be there for him anymore...  That's his choice.

[vierrae]

Ugh, I just died a little (a lot). Someone posted a fanvideo of Solas/levallan set to the song Say Something. That song kills me normally because it describes my breakup with my ex exactly...and now this....pardon me while I ball my eyes out for the rest of the day.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=i6v_QrdLY_A

Doesn't help I'm depressed cause school starts back up tomorrow. Bleh

Sorry, I just have to do it!

I'd say it's Mr. Weekes' hymn.

[miraclemight]

He turned into a demon in the Spire, which I think is why he was more human-like when he was with Rhys- he was able to wear the faces, as he tells you in Therinfal when talking about Envy. When you first talk to him in Skyhold, he says after that he became more like himself, more a spirit. He could blend in less, but help more.
 

 

To be honest, I still think 'Human Cole' is actually Demon Cole. Unless the first 'humans' in Thedas were demons passing through the Veil and manifesting bodies, then I don't know how the whole Cole situation can be explained using the lore. Doesn't Solas say that having sufficient will while passing through the Veil creates enough 'self' for a spirit...?

 

*dubious stare at Solas* Talking from experience, are you?

[Patchwork]

The thing that bothers me about Rainier is that he really should have just lugged Real Blackwall's body to the Warden base, and told them what happened.

A) The Wardens believe him. They give Blackwall his burial rites, and Thom Rainier undergoes the Joining.

B)The Wardens don't believe him. They recruit him anyway for being crazy enough to try to slip one past them, and being skilled enough to kill Blackwall.

I mean, Option B is similar enough to what happened with Duncan. The Wardens accept anyone, and do their best to turn sacrifice into victory.

But of course Rainier would never think of the Wardens that way. He's hopelessly, infuriatingly idealistic about them. The same characteristic that makes me dislike him makes it impossible for me to not like them. *sigh* Way to complicate my gaming life, Tommy boy.

 

I make him a Warden out of bitterness. From nearly the first conversation a DAO player knows something's not right, Hawke's warden friend could tell you that the man at your side isn't a Warden but he doesn't. Then I had a castle full of wardens all indebted to me and none of them bothered to point out he's a fake. On top of that I had to listen to him natter on about the honour of the wardens and lie about where he was during the Fifth Blight.

 

I sentence him to the Joining and hope he survives because I want him to know the truth of what a warden is. 

[Catriana]

http://justanor.devi...ellan-508268618

 

I love his smile

Holy crap my commission is up on here already. I JUST saw it in my e-mail box like, an hour ago.

[The Oracle]

The thing that bothers me about Rainier is that he really should have just lugged Real Blackwall's body to the Warden base, and told them what happened.

A) The Wardens believe him. They give Blackwall his burial rites, and Thom Rainier undergoes the Joining.

B)The Wardens don't believe him. They recruit him anyway for being crazy enough to try to slip one past them, and being skilled enough to kill Blackwall.

I mean, Option B is similar enough to what happened with Duncan. The Wardens accept anyone, and do their best to turn sacrifice into victory.

But of course Rainier would never think of the Wardens that way. He's hopelessly, infuriatingly idealistic about them. The same characteristic that makes me dislike him makes it impossible for me to not like them. *sigh* Way to complicate my gaming life, Tommy boy.

 

Yes, this! I mean, come on. It wouldn't be impossible to find his way to Adamant. Don't get me wrong, if he had done that he'd most likely have ended up as a blood sacrifice and we'd probably never have met him. In the overall sensible thing to do though, not pretending your a Grey Warden and completely lying through your teeth and making sh*t up to someone who needed the truth to SAVE THE FRIGGIN WORLD!!! That really got to me. She's trying to save everyone and he's lying to protect some false sense of pride he's built around himself. Maybe Blackwall should have been called Solas in the end.

[jellobell]

I think my Lavellan is one of the few who was wary of Cole, he was a curiosity that wormed his way into her guarded heart. Her protective instincts flared up every once in a while because he can be child-like and you don't mess with the elvhen da'vhen but she didn't view him as her kid any more than she did Dorian. 

My Lavellan was cautious but curious at first. She warmed up to him a lot, but she also never saw him as her child. Or as a child at all, really. He was more like an odd little brother to her.

 

The most common argument against romancing Solas is his lack of hair

Which kinda pisses me off, tbh. People who don't romance Solas because of his lack of hair are missing the forest for the trees. And then there's the fact that most of his tumblr tag is bald jokes. Back before we knew he was a romance option, and people were complaining about how ugly and boring he was, one of the designers came in here and made this wonderfully long and detailed post about how much work went into the designs of all of the characters, and how deliberately they tried to make their appearances fit with their personalities, and how difficult it was to resist the pressure from marketing to make them "prettier". I'm not against Solas having had hair at one time, but his design in Inquisition was very carefully crafted. And that's also why I dislike people on tumblr complaining about how unfair it is that Solas doesn't look more like his concept art. The way he looks was a deliberate design choice, and is as much a part of his character as his dialogue.

[Addai]

To be honest, I still think 'Human Cole' is actually Demon Cole. Unless the first 'humans' in Thedas were demons passing through the Veil and manifesting bodies, then I don't know how the whole Cole situation can be explained using the lore. Doesn't Solas say that having sufficient will while passing through the Veil creates enough 'self' for a spirit...?
 
*dubious stare at Solas* Talking from experience, are you?

Well, we do learn the terms aren't hard and fast. I don't think he's a demon in the end because he was able to find his own identity, whereas in the Spire he only felt alive when he sucked out someone else's life.

I admit it's why I don't like the human side of his quest- it's too much like that- but I think it's different, and he's happy and stable either way. He changed the rules. I just can't bring myself to do it.

[Caddius]

 

I make him a Warden out of bitterness. From nearly the first conversation a DAO player knows something's not right, Hawke's warden friend could tell you that the man at your side isn't a Warden but they don't. Then I had a castle full of wardens all indebted to me and none of them bothered to point out he's a fake. On top of that I had to listen to him natter on about the honour of the wardens and lie about where he was during the Fifth Blight.

 

I sentence him to the Joining and hope he survives because I want him to know the truth of what a warden is. 

I love how Iron Bull points out that Blackwall goes on and on about honor and the great calling (see what I did there? ) of the Grey Wardens, because he's desperately trying to convince himself that it's real. I thought it was because Blackwall had seen the desperate measures his fellow Wardens were capable of, but it was instead that he was trying to claw his way back to some shred of self-respect from the pit of self-loathing he'd dug himself.

I think that's what makes Thom Rainier to compelling and so repugnant to me. We've had a lot of companions with dark pasts. Sten even had something similar with the slaughter of children. The difference is that Sten's violence was out of panic and fury at his own life being destroyed. Rainier did it out of greed and took his own men down with him. I find the simple selfishness of that greed and the children dying more horrifying than Thane's assassinations or Loghain's withdrawal at Ostagar. Perhaps that's just me, though.

Neither men forgive themselves. Sten find solace in the Qun, Rainier in fairy tales. 

So, when the judgement came up, I sent him to Loghain, Commander of the Grey. If any man has learned the hard way when to be ruthless and when to be noble, and how to repair oneself after horrible deeds...(I'm using 'repair' generously.   ) Rainier might die in the Joining for the ultimate irony. Or he might live. But I think if he gets rid of the childish vision of the Grey Wardens and learns what they'll really like, I think he'll either have his heart crushed for all time, or he'll become obsessed with dragging them closer to that fairy-tale version. To become heroes that save the world and don't automatically jump for the most dangerous weapon and don't play their cards close to their chest when they don't have to. And by God, I think he just might succeed in that. With the southern Wardens, if not those in the North.

EDIT: Going off the Codex entry, Rainier's mishap was in 9:37 Dragon. So that is, at most, three years as fake Blackwall.

I understand the limitations of game design and voice-acting and everything, but it really bothers me that we keep calling him Blackwall. Have that man as your standard to reach for if you wish, Rainier, but you haven't reached it yet. *shrug*

[DierdreWolf]

So anyway, having lurked for a bit, this is how I played DAI.  First time through was human female romancing Cullen.  But even from the start I was like, dang I like Solas he's awesome.  Wish I could flirt with him.  Hmm, I *really* like Solas.  Totally doing a female elf next playthrough.  I like this Cullen romance, it's sweet but I really like Solas.  Forced myself to finish the human playthrough and was like wtf o.O at the end.

 

Made a female elf for Solas .... *flirt flirt smooch flirt smooch* Solas .... wait, he broke up with me?!  *cries* I'm going back to Cullen!  Made another human female ... only got a few levels in before I was like omg I can't flirt with Solas!  *scraps human female, makes another elf female*  Solas

 

*facepalm @ self*

 

So I'm glad I did the Cullen romance first since I wouldn't have seen it otherwise heh.

THIS IS MY PROBLEM!! Except I made the mistake of making a Quinari first..with intent to shack up with Iron Bull..then he was kinda can *******..and I decided eh..why not Blackwall..and I really half assed it.

 

LOVE My Lavellan..and I keep saying I'll play a human playthrough too so I can romance Cullen for when the heart ache gets too bad...and each time..find myself playing my elf or wanting to make a new elf..to go through the heartbreak all over again. I feel bad for my Cullen LI Playthrough, Poor guy keeps getting passed over for the glorious jerk apostate who only makes me infinitely sad.

 

Also..I really wish there were dalish tattoos for Fen'Harel.

[Janic99]

Sorry, I just have to do it!

I'd say it's Mr. Weekes' hymn.

The original video of Say something is mine XD

[Janic99]

Ugh, I just died a little (a lot). Someone posted a fanvideo of Solas/levallan set to the song Say Something. That song kills me normally because it describes my breakup with my ex exactly...and now this....pardon me while I ball my eyes out for the rest of the day.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=i6v_QrdLY_A

Doesn't help I'm depressed cause school starts back up tomorrow. Bleh

It is my video haha XD

[Elven_Glory]

Yes, this! I mean, come on. It wouldn't be impossible to find his way to Adamant. Don't get me wrong, if he had done that he'd most likely have ended up as a blood sacrifice and we'd probably never have met him. In the overall sensible thing to do though, not pretending your a Grey Warden and completely lying through your teeth and making sh*t up to someone who needed the truth to SAVE THE FRIGGIN WORLD!!! That really got to me. She's trying to save everyone and he's lying to protect some false sense of pride he's built around himself. Maybe Blackwall should have been called Solas in the end.

The thing that bothers me about Rainier is that he really should have just lugged Real Blackwall's body to the Warden base, and told them what happened.
A) The Wardens believe him. They give Blackwall his burial rites, and Thom Rainier undergoes the Joining.
B)The Wardens don't believe him. They recruit him anyway for being crazy enough to try to slip one past them, and being skilled enough to kill Blackwall.
I mean, Option B is similar enough to what happened with Duncan. The Wardens accept anyone, and do their best to turn sacrifice into victory.
But of course Rainier would never think of the Wardens that way. He's hopelessly, infuriatingly idealistic about them. The same characteristic that makes me dislike him makes it impossible for me to not like them. *sigh* Way to complicate my gaming life, Tommy boy.

This is exactly what I mean. Blackwall had one job and he couldn't even do it. He should have just done the honest thing in the first place and gone to find the wardens for himself. Then he wouldn't be mucking up the inquisition or providing false hope. Instead of doing the risky thing and possibly helping the many, he does the dishonest thing and only helps himself. Even if his intentions were good as he says, that doesn't excuse his behavior, and it definitely does not excuse the fact that he continued to lie in order to save face rather than just stating that he didn't know anything about the wardens. Especially when things were so dire. Not really the mark of noble intentions, now is it?

[Rabbitonfire]

People are getting disagreeable about Solas Hair mods and I'm just thinking "why care"? I rather people shared the mods that they made than keep it to themselves.

 

All this play-as-intended makes me want to do something malicious, like make Cullen look more like a meth addict.

[Caddius]

You know what I would have done if I was Blackwall's writer?

At the judgement, you either execute him, let the Orlesians execute him, exile him, or call over your Warden buddy and make him a Warden right then and there.

Be pretty cool, right? Having a Warden in the party?

He then becomes a required party member for the Temple of Mythal, because the Inquisitor figures the faux Archdemon might be there, but they're not 100% sure it's there, or that it's a faux Archdemon.

Then Corypheus busts down the wards, and instead of respawning in some random Grey Warden, he respawns in Blackwall.

Right in front of you.

Complete with tear-jerking last words, especially if he was romanced.

I was afraid of something like that or the Archdemon needing him to die to kill it early on. Then I laughed really hard when it turned out he was a fake.

Y'know. After twenty minutes of shocked silence.

[OxidantsHappen]

I posted this once before a few hundred pages back, but I'm just going to throw this out here again.  It's ok for people to not be necessarily physically attracted to certain aspects of their partner.  I agree that Solas' character being bald is absolutely perfect for him and well thought out for his personality.  I can't even really imagine him with hair canonically, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who likes him needs to be attracted to it.  It's natural for people to not be attracted to certain things, for example- like how balding can be caused by a gene that can be inherited by the offspring.  What makes someone sexually attracted to another individual are the qualities that are deemed advantageous for the species (intelligence / strength / kindness etc), and when an individual has a potentially less desirable quality that can potentially be passed onto possible offspring, the natural mechanism is to not have the desire to reproduce with said individual.  It doesn't really make anyone shallow if they happen to prefer hairier heads, it's the result of natural selection at work.  I agree that no one should be insulting him over his baldness though, and certainly not demanding that the people who made his character add on hair.  And yes I know Solas can be bald via magic, but the reasoning behind the attraction aspect is still the same.

 

/end of rant.

[Meer]

I am likely late too late to the conversation to add anything of interest, but I've always wanted to see what everyone here internalized about the relationship between Lavellan/Cole/Solas. It's amazing to see so many different takes on the dynamic (and so many differing decisions) with such gracious and well-thought out reasoning. So I'm glad to have been able to stop by when it's the current topic for discussion, haha.

My first Lavellan was somewhat withdrawn from most members of the Inquisition, with the notable exceptions of Solas, Cassandra, and Cole. She tried to help the others as much as she could, but was hesitant to connect to them in any meaningful way. But otherwise, she found comfort, learning and love in Solas. Mutual respect and friendship blossomed between her and Cassandra. And then Cole came 'round.... I sided with the Templars and met him as he led my Lavellan out of Envy, listening to his gentle (if difficult to understand) words was a comfort to her. The entire experience was terrifying, but for his presence. Afterwards, learning that he is a spirit I think my Lavellan tried to treat with him as Solas so often suggests: with curiosity and a respect for its purpose. When the time came, she also helped him remain a spirit. Of course some maternal affection crept in as well, so I actually rather started to see this trio as something of an adopted family for my character. Each of them took on a different meaning to her. One a lover, another a sister, the last like a child or a younger sibling.

Of course, this served to create a bit of tragedy for this particular Lavellan. Cassandra became divine, Spirit!Cole may one day slip back through the Veil, and Solas left.

[NightSymphony]

Holy crap my commission is up on here already. I JUST saw it in my e-mail box like, an hour ago.

I'm speedy..lol.  I keep refreshing Deviant Art over and over..just waiting for more art.  It's an obsession.

[miraclemight]

Yes, this! I mean, come on. It wouldn't be impossible to find his way to Adamant. Don't get me wrong, if he had done that he'd most likely have ended up as a blood sacrifice and we'd probably never have met him. In the overall sensible thing to do though, not pretending your a Grey Warden and completely lying through your teeth and making sh*t up to someone who needed the truth to SAVE THE FRIGGIN WORLD!!! That really got to me. She's trying to save everyone and he's lying to protect some false sense of pride he's built around himself. Maybe Blackwall should have been called Solas in the end.

 

I got the impression that Blackwall's weakness was cowardice. He ran away. I think he even admits it in the dog story he tells to the Inquisitor.

 

Come to think of it, all companions have a glaring vice:

 

Cassandra --> too rash

Iron Ball --> blind acceptance

Sera--> prejudice

Cole--> naivety

Varric--> Bianca

Vivienne--> too ambitious

Dorian--> Not wearing the other half of his armour in Ferelden and complaining about cold...? 

Solas--> Not 'Pride'. It most likely was his past vice, which is now a moniker to constantly remind him of his loss. Every time someone calls him 'Solas' is a slap to the face. 

[Elven_Glory]

THIS IS MY PROBLEM!! Except I made the mistake of making a Quinari first..with intent to shack up with Iron Bull..then he was kinda can *******..and I decided eh..why not Blackwall..and I really half assed it.
 
LOVE My Lavellan..and I keep saying I'll play a human playthrough too so I can romance Cullen for when the heart ache gets too bad...and each time..find myself playing my elf or wanting to make a new elf..to go through the heartbreak all over again. I feel bad for my Cullen LI Playthrough, Poor guy keeps getting passed over for the glorious jerk apostate who only makes me infinitely sad.
 
Also..I really wish there were dalish tattoos for Fen'Harel.

I wonder what that tattoo would look like. Someone should make one.

I am with you and Elessara. Upon recieving this game, I made a human inquisitor to romance cullen.... because I had been waiting three games to do it. Then not even five minutes after Solas had opened his mouth, I was like, "this is going to be the most interesting character in the game, I can already tell." But this playthrough was for Cullen... I mean I had been waiting for three games, right? So I finished got through it, went "well, that was cute." And immediately started on my elven inquisitor for Solas. Before Inquisition, there was no one but Cullen... but now... Cullen who? I must really love punishment or something because I'm in it for the longhaul, despite all of the negative consequences and shitty emotions of involving myself (and by myself, I of course mean Lavellan) with that snarky faced elf. There has got to be something wrong with me. My next character is going to be another female elf... *sigh*

[jellobell]

I posted this once before a few hundred pages back, but I'm just going to throw this out here again.  It's ok for people to not be necessarily physically attracted to certain aspects of their partner.  I agree that Solas' character being bald is absolutely perfect for him and well thought out for his personality.  I can't even really imagine him with hair canonically, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who likes him needs to be attracted to it.  It's natural for people to not be attracted to certain things, for example- like how balding can be caused by a gene that can be inherited by the offspring.  What makes someone sexually attracted to another individual are the qualities that are deemed advantageous for the species (intelligence / strength / kindness etc), and when an individual has a potentially less desirable quality that can potentially be passed onto possible offspring, the natural mechanism is to not have the desire to reproduce with said individual.  It doesn't really make anyone shallow if they happen to prefer hairier heads, it's the result of natural selection at work.  I agree that no one should be insulting him over his baldness though, and certainly not demanding that the people who made his character add on hair.  And yes I know Solas can be bald via magic, but the reasoning behind the attraction aspect is still the same.

 

/end of rant.

Oh, I'm not saying that people should be attracted to Solas by any means. People are into different things. But the idea of turning around and modding him to be more acceptable reminds me of all of the "less manly cass mods when?" threads. Bleh, maybe it's just tumblr making me cynical.

[vierrae]

I got the impression that Blackwall's weakness was cowardice. He ran away. I think he even admits it in the dog story he tells to the Inquisitor.

 

Come to think of it, all companions have a glaring vice:

 

Cassandra --> too rash

Iron Ball --> blind acceptance

Sera--> prejudice

Cole--> naivety

Varric--> Bianca

Vivienne--> too ambitious

Dorian--> Not wearing the other half of his armour in Ferelden and complaining about cold...? 

Solas--> Not 'Pride'. It most likely was his past vice, which is now a moniker to constantly remind him of his loss. Every time someone calls him 'Solas' is a slap to the face. 

Solas --->Regret. Makes me think of TNO from Planescape Torment

[Avejajed]

So I just made Cole a spirit, and it felt so weird I had to reload. Couldn't do it not even for Solas aproval.

[Suketchi]

I am so glad they are fixing Varric's legs....that drives me crazy!!

 

"You want to talk about me? I'm flattered! Also inclined to dance like a dipper bird."

 

... you know, I'm actually going to miss that thing he does with his legs XD