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[RebbyWriter]

Finished another one of the Elven Pantheon, today! *throws confetti*

 

This is my Andruil, spoiler'd for hugeness.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

http://mypixelmuse.t...t-and-sacrifice

[OxidantsHappen]

*nervous laughter*

...have I mentioned how completely terrifying that song to Falon'Din is in terms of blight? I'm willing to chalk up his mastery over "the dark that lies" to manipulative fade-dreams, though it's a bit unsettling that the description mirrors how Corypheus describes the "darkness" he found and mastered in the City. It's the line about how his faithful sing that makes me twitch. Nothing like being stuffed with red lyrium to make a Song nice and loud.

That said, it has to be a red herring, right? Still on board with Triple Threat Theory, still clinging to the idea that Solas and his soul are working in tandem... these days at least, if not the whole time. Cole would freak the hell out otherwise, right?

Right. Everything is fine. I'm sure it is.

Except for Sylaise. That chick is crazy.

EDIT : Pretend my post isn't here. I'm deleting what I've written before someone has a chance to witness my nonsense. I am an uncultured swine & should never try to analyze poetry. Nobody saw anything.

[Renmiri1]

1.  

   The Pretender

   Song by Foo Fighters
2. Keep you in the dark
   You know they all pretend
   Keep you in the dark
   And so it all began

   Send in your skeletons
   Sing as their bones go marching in again
   They need you buried deep
   The secrets that you keep are ever ready
   Are you ready?

   I'm finished making sense
   Done pleading ignorance
   That whole defense

   Spinning infinity
   Boy, the wheel is spinning me
   It's never ending, never ending
   Same old story

   What if I say I'm not like the others?
   What if I say I'm not just another one of your plays?
   You're the pretender
   What if I say that I will never surrender?

   What if I say I'm not like the others?
   What if I say I'm not just another one of your plays?
   You're the pretender
   What if I say that I'll never surrender?

   In time or so I'm told
   I'm just another soul for sale, oh well

[Caddius]

...OH.

I got it now.

Nevermind.

The timeline officially involves no math for Caddius now.   
I think there's a lore error in the World of Thedas timeline, throwing some dates off by one year. And that's what been tripping me up. I'll do the timeline the way I'm doing it now, and if there is something wrong with how I handled it, someone else can figure it out and explain it to me, and I'll fix it.

[Suketchi]

Someone make me a cupcake. I need one.

 

 

FOR YOU. 

[CapricornSun]

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I'm glad ya'll like the vid though. Makes wrestling with movie maker even more worth it. And Capri, I'm chuffed that you think my Tiger Festival is cute. I always thought she was sorta plain compared to the rest. And she's really bad at looking good in screenshots.

 

Oh, but she is cute!   I always thought that my Lavellan looked plain (and boring) compared to all the others I've seen (and mine looks really bad under certain lightings...  ). 

 

EDIT: I wonder, do others sometimes feel that way about their own Inquisitors? Like when you create a character then compare it to what others have created then you think, "Gee, my character doesn't look as awesome as that character over there?" I sometimes feel that way...   

 

Oh well, it's just a thought. Feel free to ignore it.

 

Off topic, but does anyone else jump off of all the buildings in Skyhold because it's faster to get around, and then forget not to do that out in the world and take massive damages? Cause I do that all the time.

 

I do that sometimes. I jump off cliffs when out in the world way too many times just to get to a certain destination faster, but damn, is it a waste of a potion (or two). ^__^; 

[Kryllian]

Sorry, I just have to do it!

I'd say it's Mr. Weekes' hymn.

Omg that actually made me feel better! It's so true, it's just the most depressing song ever!

[jellobell]

People bashed him for his baldness?? BORING?! Ugly?! 

Yep. It's actually kinda funny how disinterested most people were in him in hindsight. If you want a better sense of how the BSN reacted to him at first, then here's an interesting thread from last march. Bonus for a hilariously prescient OP.

 

http://forum.bioware...romance-for-pc/

 

Ever since this guy was confirmed everyone seems to have been dissapointed how ugly, boring and most of all BALD character bioware dares to fling at us.This irritates me a bit because we have not even heard anything of his personality or history.

 

That is why I think it would be funny if he turned out to be in the end the best LI Bioware has created or something so all naggers would have to awkardly eat their own preconceptions.

 

EDIT: Okay, re-reading this topic, and these posts are absolute gold. I'm ironically liking practically everything. I mean, just look at this:

 

His skinny little legs absolutely crack me up. As vain as it sounds, I won't romance someone I do not find aesthetically pleasing at least a little. I mean, they needn't be a goddess or god to the eyes (I'm not lol) but I do require a smidgen of attraction. I definitely do not see this in Solas. At all. But there will be tons of people who do. Which is what matters. It is only the "main romance" if you so choose. You needn't romance anyone.

Can't...breathe...

[Birdy]

I've discovered a new fiction. This one is Solas releasing the elven gods.

http://dragonage-kin...41720#t46341720

[Sable Rhapsody]

EDIT: I wonder, do others sometimes feel that way about their own Inquisitors? Like when you create a character then compare it to what others have created then you think, "Gee, my character doesn't look as awesome as that character over there?" I sometimes feel that way...   

 

With ME, definitely.  It's really, really hard to make a Shep who looks relatively unique, yet awesome.  Though the facecodes help, and between that and Gibbed, I managed to tweak Shep to perfection.

 

With Inquisition...I'm pretty happy with my Lavellan and Adaar.  But Lavellan took three tries and well over 5 hours in the CC, and her first incarnation was bleh.  Adaar somehow took like 20 minutes 

[Willow_Elessidil]

[Kittn]

 

[Aetheria]

People bashed him for his baldness?? BORING?! Ugly?! 

 

 

I absolutely love Bioware for allowing Solas to be the wonderful, bald, forty-something year old heartbreaker we know and love

 

Right on! Nobody bashes bald guys in my hearing!

 

brb need to go hug personal bald guy

 

Off topic, but does anyone else jump off of all the buildings in Skyhold because it's faster to get around, and then forget not to do that out in the world and take massive damages? Cause I do that all the time.

 

I played ArcheAge for a few months (quit after the publishers let the game economy go to crap), and the best part about it was that you could double-jump and open a glider. So you could glide off cliffs and mountains and everywhere. Well, for weeks after that I kept double-jumping off heights in EVERY GAME and being surprised when I fell to my death. >.<

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

 

BED-TIME CRAZY THEORY:

 

The Ghilan'nain and June working together and accidentally creating the darkspawn makes a certain amount of sense to me. The Blight twisting women into broodmothers and producing corrupted copies that just happen to be born warriors screams 'bio-engineering' to me.

So can we blame it this way?

Andruil: Brought the Taint back from the Void, went crazy. Cured, eventually.

June: Enabled Andruil by building her a crazy awesome Void suit out of curiosity whether he could do it. Red lyrium.

Ghilan'nain: Darkspawn. Jesus. A+ in Biology and a gold star for creativity, but Jesus.

Falon'din: Taking advantage of the chaos to try to usurp power.

Sylvaise: Trying to show-up everyone and seize power.

Dirthamen: Probably with Falon'din.

Mythal: Having the audacity to be murdered at a crucial moment. Probably in charge of quarantining corrupted gods and Elvhen.

Elgar'nan: Spent most of his time putting down rebellions and brooding in a manly fashion. Maybe he actually took down Barindur with a volcano as retaliation for Mythal? If you subscribe to the Elgar'nan=Dumat theory, that is. Or even if you don't, and Dumat just got the credit because Dumat and Elgie share a certain grand old god style.

Fen'harel: Tossed all of the gods and the Blight away in prisons and hoped for the best. Took a nap.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[OxidantsHappen]

So weird thought that came to me right as I was about to fall to sleep and it hit me and I need to write it down so I don't forget it.

 

We mentioned today the hilarity of June being the betrayer, the one who orchestrated the downfall of the Elvhen Pantheon and how, if he were Sandal, he'd be the last one we would suspect. There are strange things about June. There are few depictions of him. He is said to have created himself despite being called the sibling to Sylaise and Andruil. His tools associated with him changed over time and were clearly foreign to what was common amongst the elves. Moreover, he had few if any depictions or presence within the elven pantheon narrative the further you go back in time. His vallaslin is clearly from a different shape language from the others - it lacks the sinuous, delicate, or fluid hand of the others. His is practically approached with monoline and little line weight variation. The background of his mosaic is practically dwarven in style.

BEWARE ALL WHO CLICK HERE. I have literally no idea what I typed or am typing and this is LITERALLY a pre-sleep thought. I give it NO water. So if you're into tinfoil hat theories to the MAX then open this. If not, please move right along. I will be the OPPOSITE of offended. Grateful, actually.

Spoiler

BED-TIME CRAZY THEORY:

The reason there are two elven pantheon members who aren't listed among the Old Gods (if you subscribe to that theory) is because they weren't there when **** went down. And the reason they weren't there when **** went down is because Fen'Harel had left to hunt the Traitor. The traitor being.. June. Let's entertain the thought that June was a dwarf lifted to the Elven Pantheon, lifted from his people and away from the stone in a way he never truly forgave. Perhaps they plucked him from a failing Titan he had been a part of or lead. Perhaps he was merely the greatest enchanter of his time or the original forger of the Anvil of the Void.

 

He's the one who convinces Andruil to go off into the Void and hunt the Forgotten Ones - the forgotten Dwarven Gods. We know that worship of the stone is actually relatively new to them and the Primeval Thaig featured places of worship to Gods unknown. Perhaps he hopes to usurp them. Perhaps he hopes that they have the key to either restoring the Titans or to power yet untapped (my vote is restoring the Titans). He helps forge Andruil's armor with his anvil in secret - perhaps is intrigued by the conversion of lyrium to red lyrium but keeps a safe distance and allows her to be his guinea pig. He pretends to be as surprised as anyone when she brings darkness upon their land and Mythal is forced to subdue her. Andruil is defeated, her armor and knowledge of the Void taken from her. Mythal becomes infected.

 

Falon'Din becomes his next target, his next attempt at using these Elven Gods to achieve his ends, and attempts to do so in a way much more subtle than the last. Falon'Din culls the slaves and followers of other Gods who refuse to worship him, lessening the power of the Gods. What murder and sacrifice he accomplished with blood magic thinning the veil to a breaking point. The other Gods defeat his forces over time, finally cornering and bloodying him in the antechamber of his own temple.

Slaves begin to voice their deep dissatisfaction with the elvhen dreamer gods and how quickly they fall to corruption and madness. Some call for a rebellion. Others for reason. The Elvhen Empire being what it is, takes FOREVER to address their concerns. Public discontent grows over the inaction.

 

June approaches Ghilal'nain, who he knows is desperate to restore Andruil, and offers to help find a way to restore Andruil to her former self IF she helps him build an army capable of protecting the people should another one of them fall to madness, pointing at symptoms of Mythal's infection. He offers her information about the Titans and their hive mind, convinces her to use a little of the knowledge of the void to make her creation stronger. June endeavours to find a way to control them, to lead, and guide them beyond a force of mass destruction and turns towards the song of the stone or lyrium. Together, they accidentally craft the darkspawn. 

 

The Darkspawn prove more difficult to control, far from the Titan June had hoped to recreate, and he panics. There has to be something, some way he can draw the Darkspawn away from him until he learns to fix it. To regain what was lost. He gets more radical groups of slaves fighting for their freedom to turn to him and the Forgotten Ones in desperation. But it's all a ploy. Another experiment to fix what went wrong.

Cities fall to taint. The possible slave rebellion changes from a noble act of rebellion to a free-for-all as some succumb to June. More gods get infected. **** is going the hell down.

 

And.. the rest is kind of fuzzy, but maybe infected Mythal from the fight with Andruil was already acting as a beacon to the Darkspawn and they were already seeking her out. Perhaps this is what gets the rest of the pantheon to betray her. Who knows, maybe June was the lover?

But in the end here's my thought: Mythal gets killed, remainder of spirit goes into the dragon. The Darkspawn descend underground immediately after her. Fen'Harel suggests the other gods become dragons as well to keep the darkspawn from overflooding the surface. He gets permission to seal the corrupted Elvhen cities are behind Eluvians to keep them safe from the taint. Fen'Harel is the last member of the pantheon remaining. His last act being to seek out June and kill him for all who had been lost.

June's soul doesn't die however, it passes to someone else, and in time, ends up in Sandal. But the vessel is lyrium addled and thereby unable to continue June's work. Mythal haunts his dreams. Laughs at him and his feeble attempts to escape justice for what he has done. He aids the Hero of Ferelden and the Champion of Kirkwall. But who does he avoid? The Herald. Empowered with the same force as the Gods he once befriended and later betrayed. The Inquisitor. Aided and guided by the very man who killed him once before.

 

TL;DR I am so sorry for this pre-sleep ramble of text that will make sense to no one. I apologize that I am subjecting you all to it. It likely has so many flaws and no a lick of reference to canon. My dream brain is just super excited by the idea that Andruil wasn't REALLY the big bad we make her out to be. She and her insanity were merely pawns to distract the rest of the pantheon from the one who pulled the strings.

I put no faith in this thing. It's just there. Because I am tired and lacking the prescience to realize this is all a horrible idea. Poke at it. Kill it. SLAY IT LIKE THE DRAGON IT IS. I'll see you all in the morning.

 

If June crafted the darkspawn, it could explain why they originated in the Deep Roads- the dwarven territory. It could also explain why the prisons of the old gods are located in the deep roads- because if June was intentionally infecting other gods, it would make sense that he would have a "convenient" solution to their problem: a prison of his own making to lock them away in his own territory.

 

I am totally enabling this and that's totally ok. Because crazy bed-time theories are awesome.

 

EDIT: So like after he infects the old gods and they get locked away in his prisons, they become like his pets now. 

[Caddius]

If June crafted the darkspawn, it could explain why they originated in the Deep Roads- the dwarven territory. It could also explain why the prisons of the old gods are located in the deep roads- because if June was intentionally infecting other gods, it would make sense that he would have a "convenient" solution to their problem: a prison of his own making to lock them away in his own territory.

 

I am totally enabling this and that's totally ok. Because crazy bed-time theories are awesome.

I'm really curious as to what the Old God prisons actually looking like. How do the darkspawn break in? Or is just touching the prison enough to wake up the Old God and corrupt it? (Pretty awful prison, if you ask me.)

If the Wardens ever could marshal the forces to cut their way to an Old God without alerting them, how would they break in?

I like the idea that June screwed up and caused a ton of problems, and then teamed up with Solas in desperation to prevent the end of the world.

The line Solas has talking about the flaw in sharing power, "I can still see the lines of her face," or something like that makes me suspect either Andruil, Ghilan'nain, or Sylvaise. But Andruil doesn't strike me as a full on villain. A jackass, certainly. Tainted by the Void and the Blight, yes.

So Sylvaise foolishly manipulating the other Creators, June just experimenting with runes and magic, and Ghilan'nain going full cackling mad-scientist. Maybe June was trying to make an alternate source of magic, as the Taint?

Banalhan. Place where the Blight originates. Also the place of nothing, yes? Sounds like the elves attribute the Blight to the Void.

I think it's getting close to my crazy theory bedtime too. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Kittn]

A tiny question relative to the bed time crazy theory, mostly because I'd like to get it sorted in my head official like:

 

The Veil: Did it exist when the ancient elven demi-gods roamed the earth? I was under the impression that it did not. And that, like Solas said, spirits flit in and out of the world at will. Meaning Falon'din knew the secret roads in and out of the Fade that spirits themselves used and that's why it was his area of expertise. It doesn't change much about the theory. I'm just trying to establish when the veil came to be. I assumed it was after the ancients were locked away. Or possibly part of the method for sealing them?

 

[Caddius]

SANDAL AS JUNE:

End of Origins.

Darkspawn attack Sandal en masse.

"YOU FOOLS, I MADE ALL OF YOU! I CAN UNMAKE YOU JUST BY SCRATCHING MY BUTT! *one-shot multi kill*"

Demons attack in DA2.

"I overthrew the gods. You're just lickspittles."

Sandal as an evil mastermind is wonderfully weird and hilarious to think about.   

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[CapricornSun]

With ME, definitely.  It's really, really hard to make a Shep who looks relatively unique, yet awesome.  Though the facecodes help, and between that and Gibbed, I managed to tweak Shep to perfection.

 

With Inquisition...I'm pretty happy with my Lavellan and Adaar.  But Lavellan took three tries and well over 5 hours in the CC, and her first incarnation was bleh.  Adaar somehow took like 20 minutes 

 

I remembered not being happy with my Shep a bit when I created her. Something about her cheekbones always bothered me but I learned to love her anyway.

 

For Lavellan, it took me two tries to get her looking the way I wanted her to. She looked like a little boy out of CC on her first incarnation and I eventually didn't like the vallaslin she had on her (she originally had one of the fuller Mythal vallaslin designs). Second try turned out much better and I opted for the simpler Mythal vallaslin.

 

For my Trevelyan, it didn't really take much time for me to create him. He kind of looks like Krem, actually. Same skin color and same hairstyle, but it wasn't intentional. It just happened. xD Though I've also seen other male Trevelyans who look like him. 

 

 

 

I don't care what other people say. Solas is beautiful just the way he is, bald head and everything. 

[Caddius]

A tiny question relative to the bed time crazy theory, mostly because I'd like to get it sorted in my head official like:

 

The Veil: Did it exist when the ancient elven demi-gods roamed the earth? I was under the impression that it did not. And that, like Solas said, spirits flit in and out of the world at will. Meaning Falon'din knew the secret roads in and out of the Fade that spirits themselves used and that's why it was his area of expertise. It doesn't change much about the theory. I'm just trying to establish when the veil came to be. I assumed it was after the ancients were locked away. Or possibly part of the method for sealing them?

I don't think we know. The complex dynamic between Falon'din and Dirthamen relating to the Fade makes me think it was present during the Gods' heyday. Solas's very vivid descriptions of a muddled world, as well as the mysteries about Skyhold, make me think it was created. (Also the tribal legend mentioned on a weapon someone mentioned hundreds of pages ago.)

I'd like to think the Veil was created, the Black/Golden City was created, and the Old God Prisons were created by the Elvhen or related forces, over a span of centuries if not millennia, as they refused to die out to the Blight or dragons or whatever the hell else life threw at them. Desperate measure after desperate measure, until at last a handful of slumbering Sentinels and Fen'harel, and the wisp of Mythal are all that remain.

This gives them a lot of time for trying to adjust to the new way of things, adding things into their spheres of influence, changing roles, lots of wars amongst each other, the game-changer that was the Neromenian Dreamers, the Quickening, etcetera.