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[jellobell]

Putting in a request for Solavellan songs. I just re-listened to the podcast and I'm feeling down. 

[Siha]

The feeling I get from both Morrigan's dialogues is that Flemeth's parenting skills boil down to "emotions aren't important -- only survival is". Morrigan even parrots that back to you before you get under her skin.

Then there's the scene in the Fade where demon-Flemeth slaps Morrigan in the face and Morrigan says, "That's more like it."

Yes, there is a lot of tension between them. But I felt it was more like the DA2 rivalmances. This sort of "She makes me mad!! I love her..." thing. She thinks, the way she was brought up made her stronger (and the respective dialogue choices get you approval), so I figure it cannot have been so bad. Then again, this is probably an individual perception. I like a lot of people I often disagree with. But others may feel differently and judge the rivalry between Morrison and Flemeth more negatively.

Edit:

Have you ever taken Morrigan into the Fade? Pretty apparent there what she thinks of Flemeth as parent. Also when she talks to Alistair about Flemeth's "company." (sorry, ninja'ed)

That's where I do not fully agree. I think my mother made a lot of mistakes and I dislike many of her ideas and opinions. Very often she makes me mad and I know she is quick to anger etc. She is not the sort of picture perfect mother that some TV show might paint. Still, I love her. And I understand where some of her behavior comes from. Things are not black and white and it is this sort of rivalry I see in Morrigan and Flemeth.

[Siha]

I agree with much of this, but the German comment confuses me. The Holy Roman Empire, generally speaking, consisting of modern-day Germany, Austria, and part of Italy, at times the Low Countries.
And yeah, they definitely have blends of countries, they're not carbon copies.

Ah, sorry, that is what you referred to! Now I understand. I thought of just that situation - the German lands not yet conquered, uniting to oppose the Romans. Now That I understand I agree on this notion.

[Little Mama]

Putting in a request for Solavellan songs. I just re-listened to the podcast and I'm feeling down. 

 

Don't know if you alreday know about this one http://8tracks.com/e...olas/inquisitor but there are some grains of gold among them.

[ShallowlLife9871]

so, thanks to those who answered my question a few days ago. I manged to finish my Solasmance ...

 

 

and these where my reactions throughout the entire playthough :                

 

I can safely, I loved the Solas romance. I started the lead into the DAI with the full intention of Riding the Bull, But once I got to know Solas, I loved his wit, his knowledge and ,... his voice   [ I am big into voices]  so, I officaly consider him my Cannon.

[Janic99]

For some reason many ppl didn't see this video I made but I would have liked you guys to watch it because I personally liked how it turned out in the end and plus all of that I even used flycam at some parts for this video:

I made it in the middle of night just for you guys >;O

[Ajna]

 It also makes those last days together every bit more tragic, considering they surely slept apart then.

 

 

It's funny you should say this,  and this may sound weird to some but when my fiance and I broke up many moons ago we still lived together (we were best friends for a long time, and still were), and we even still slept in the same bed, we were so used to it and not doing so felt weird, we were still that emotionally close that we could do that and have it feel right.  That's just one part of the tragic story.  I'll think about this some more in the Solavellan context.

[Rabbitonfire]

Putting in a request for Solavellan songs. I just re-listened to the podcast and I'm feeling down. 

It's not alot but here's my playlist: http://8tracks.com/p...llections/solas

 

It's a mix of electronic/rock/instrumental/indie. I organized it as listening to soft instrumental music then warming up to something stronger like eletronic/rock and ending with a soft instrumental note.

[jellobell]

Don't know if you alreday know about this one http://8tracks.com/e...olas/inquisitor but there are some grains of gold among them.

 

It's not alot but here's my playlist: http://8tracks.com/planntran/collections/solas

 

It's a mix of electronic/rock/instrumental/indie. I organized it as listening to soft instrumental music then warming up to something stronger like eletronic/rock and ending with a soft instrumental note.

Thanks.

[Elista]

I remember my surprise when Cabot the innkeeper told my Lavellan that people were worried she had enough time to sleep with her allies... I began to wonder if there was really more than kisses between Solas and her... I understand it is let to our imagination but I would have prefer an explicit choice on the matter...

[Kittn]

I remember my surprise when Cabot the innkeeper told my Lavellan that people were worried she had enough time to sleep with her allies... I began to wonder if there was really more than kisses between Solas and her... I understand it is let to our imagination but I would have prefer an explicit choice on the matter...

I have to wonder if the people he overheard that from were the same two people who can be found discussing the seasonal colors for Lavellan and Solas's forthcoming nuptials after the breakup scene. Heck, in Tiger's game, I got that conversation after the credits. He wasn't even there anymore.

Orlesians. Hmph.

Edit: Did I get ToP again? Hmmmm. What to post what to post...

Here, have this screenshot from my brief tenure as a dwarf inquisitor.


I sure hope I'm not the only one who's ever camped a ladder, waiting for Solas to slide down. This screenshot will be a very awkward confession otherwise.

[Little Mama]

I remember my surprise when Cabot the innkeeper told my Lavellan that people were worried she had enough time to sleep with her allies... I began to wonder if there was really more than kisses between Solas and her... I understand it is let to our imagination but I would have prefer an explicit choice on the matter...

 

WOOT! He really says that? When/ do you have a more exact time?   

[jellobell]

WOOT! He really says that? When/ do you have a more exact time?   

He says it every so often when you ask about what people are talking about. Only after the second kiss scene, iirc. Just keep picking the option and you'll get it eventually. Like Vivienne's "lingering looks between you and our Solas" line.

[MiyuEmi]

@Jellobell: Think my favourite companion response to it is Sera.  "Yeah I've seen the way you look at him.  Bet he screams ELVEN GLORY when he does it.'  If you ask her about him as a companion specifically after establishing your romance.

[Little Mama]

Must try all of this. 

 

So far I've only gotten the banters. Nothing when I speak to companions.

And Madame Vivianne can go drown herself in a river    She doesn't go together with my IQ at all. 

[Ajna]

The other day Sera said something that endeared her to me...

 

 

I actually said "awww".

[Little Mama]

The other day Sera said something that endeared her to me...

 

 

I actually said "awww".

 

That's so sweet. She does have her good points. She reminds me of a kid. I just want to hug her.  

[Kappa Neko]

Now, to me, trying Solas' advice feels like resetting Cole back to square one. He was once purely Compassion, and look at where it got him in Asunder. I feared he might try that path again, make the same mistake.

I trusted Solas' opinion on spirits and decided against making Cole more human. I agree that there is no right or wrong here.

However, Solas' stance on this says a lot about him and his inner struggle. And it makes me wonder if making Cole more human might infuse some needed optimism into the overall theme of starting over or adapting/changing.
I am fatalistic like Solas and believe that often it's near impossible to change out nature. And why should we even do that? Hence I went with making Cole more like a spirit. BUT we all need to change constantly in small ways because everything around us changes too. I feel like this is the core of DAI. And the problem with (modern) religion. We see rules as immutable. Especially religious practises. Many people are afraid of new things because they erase the familiar and replace it with new ideas that seem threatening. Nostalgia makes us think the old ways were better and that we need to keep those well-established rules. But as society changes, so must the rules. And we along with them.
We cannot change our very nature (Cole will never be fully human) but we can adept. Solas is a paradox, he is a rebel, an agent of change, yet he rejects the change he has brought. He is unwilling to accept the current age and the good things in it. He wants freedom for everyone but not by working with new rules and new possibility, he seems to want some kind of reset. To restore us all to our true nature. He wants everyone to be Cole.
The problem is that the true nature of his people, the ancient elves, and the other races is not the same. Spirits and mortals are not the same either. The very nature of every race has been altered over time. He cannot simply turn back the clock and have his paradise. This fundamental difference in nature cannot be reconciled. Before the quickening and the social unrest, when everyone was in tune with the divine song, it was different. Everyone was the same, supposedly anyway.
So Solas is stuck between things like Cole. Reset the world in hope to regain this wholeness or take what is now and adept, make it better? But for the people of this age, reset is not an option. Their nature is different.
Cole is a bit of a metaphor for Solas' state of mind. He wants to be a spirit, in tune with his own world, happy. But he needs to become more human in order to survive in this new world, even though it hurts. Being human hurts because it's not perfect.
So Solas' original rebellion and his ideals were good, but he has yet to figure out how to make it work NOW. The rules have changed and he struggles with that. It's all wrong. He shouldn't even be here like Cole. But he is and he needs to come to terms with reality.

That's my current spontaneous interpretation anyway^^

[Rabbitonfire]

Must try all of this. 

 

So far I've only gotten the banters. Nothing when I speak to companions.

And Madame Vivianne can go drown herself in a river    She doesn't go together with my IQ at all. 

One cannot simply kill a knight-enchanter.

 

I'm fine with Vivienne. Vivienne is intelligent from her background. Dismissing her intelligence is like declaring Morrigan is dumb for getting Dalish facts wrong. Her opinions don't agree with mine but it's no less valid. Southern Thedas is a dangerous place were you can be killed because everyone fears magic. Mages aren't harmless oppressed people. We had three games to come up with this conclusion. Sure there are always bad apples that ruin the bunch, but the damage is enough. More damage than any sellsword could cause. Heck, in one war table, you had to pay for the rebel mage children for burning the barn and crops. My favorite quote is something like, Nothing is more dangerous than a young mage with a lack of knowledge.

[Avejajed]

The highlight reel so far. (God, I'm a nerd. I shouldn't have so much fun with timelines.)
4500: HUMANS ARE IN THE HOUSE. BAD NEWS FOR ARLATHAN.
6405: TEVINTER EMPIRE FOUNDED.
7205: HUMANS ARE IN THE HOUSE OF THE MAKER. BAD NEWS FOR EVERYONE.
7420: The Alamarri hordes follow Maferath and Andraste in an invasion of the Tevinter Imperium.
7600—7699: DIVINE
7700—7799: GLORY
7800—7899: TOWERS
7900—7999: BLACK
8000—8099: EXALTED
8100—8199: STEEL
8200—8299: STORM
8300—8399: BLESSED
8400—8499: DRAGON

BLIGHTS:
DUMAT: 7205-7397: (192 years. Wardens founded ninety years in. He's big, he's silent, and he's kicking Tevinter into a dark age. Slain at the Silent Plains.)
ZAZIKEL: 7604-7694: (90 years. From what I can tell, by far the most capable Archdemon. Dumat was slain numerous times before the Wardens were founded. It took them ninety years as a ragged group that was not well-established in every nation to take him down. Zazikel was dealing with a Thedas prepared for Blights, with Wardens likely tagging along with every major army in Thedas just in case, and avoided death for ninety years while attacking all of Thedas at once from the mountains.. In vengeance for the Wardens' first victory, Zazikel annihilates the city of Nordbotten and takes Hossberg as his opening moves, All of this against the Wardens and the Orlesian Empire at its peak under legendary strategist Emperor Kordillius Drakon I, as well as a relatively strong Tevinter Imperium. Slain at Starkhaven.)
TOTH: 7809-7824: (Fifteen years. While a short run, the odds were really stacked up against Toth. The Wardens are at their peak, and he made the great strategic error of focusing the horde in Central Thedas. Directly between the two empires of Orlais and Tevinter, who are working together with the Wardens. It's a miracle he lasted as long as he did. No mention of cities razed. Probably disappointed Papa Dumat, but earned a grudging nod of respect for refusing to give up. Slain at Hunter Fell.)
ANDORAL: 8011-8023: (Twelve years. Even shorter run. Still did okay. Completely overwhelmed Antiva and most of the Free Marches, even taking out Warden-Commander Turab and the Antivan Royal family in person. Went up against Garahel, the Commander Shepard of his Age. Taken down by *SPOILER FOR LAST FLIGHT*

Spoiler

blood-magic addled berserker griffons. Nobody deals with that **** and lives. Not even the griffons.

Good show. On the other hand, beaten so decisively many surfacers thought the darkspawn had been exterminated permanently. Possibly a cunning plan on Andoral's part.Slain at Aylesleigh fighting Garahel and his crew of outcasts. )
URTHEMIEL: 8429-8430: (About a year. It took two Warden recruits and one badass Senior Warden a year to gather an army from one of the smallest and then weakest nations in Thedas and kill him. No griffons required. He managed to overwhelm some of the uninhabited parts of Ferelden, like the Korcari Wilds, as well as some successes in South Reach and the like. Some success in the Bannorn. Probably should have flung himself off Fort Drakon and committed suicide so he could respawn and spend a few decades building up forces to avoid embarrassing the other Old Gods. Razikale and Luscan don't have to do much to outshine him. At least he comes across as admirably tactical and douchey with the Tamlen stunt and Darkspawn Chronicles. Died in the Battle of Denerim. As you probably remember.)
Are you even trying, Urthie?

Oh. My. God.

This was so...beautiful.

[Avejajed]

All new, Faded for her has issues. I hadn't heard of the demon spawning issue till Lliiranna said she had it, but it also never appears in your Completed Quests section after you've finished it. I notice there's no mention of fixing that bit either.

Measuring the Veil does not actually track the artifacts you've activated - at least not like any other companion's fetch quest. It registers as complete after the first one. No mention of this being altered with the patch.

People have theorized that one or both of those is the reason What Lies Dormant has never triggered for anyone ever. People are even saying its a myth that it exists at all now, but Mr. Weekes confirmed somewhere on twitter that it should trigger after 10 artifacts are found. It doesn't.

But they're definitely gonna fix Varric doing squats while talking to you in Haven, right? Because people were practically ready to riot over that, right?



I'm also worried the patch will break more than it fixes. Because there always seems to be a patch for the patch. My Serenity PT is at the point where Measuring the Veil can be triggered. I dunno if I should keep playing or wait or what. Doom.

I thought I'd walked into the patch notes thread when I read back the last couple pages, all the doom and gloom.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm fully aware of that. I'm not ignorent in such matters. As you - and I, and so many else - have said earlier it's up to each player to make up their own interpretation/story to what happens/doesn't happen. That's our prerogative after all.

I'm just of the feeling that there's more to their relationship. Like almasy87 said before, I'd like to think that they are beyond that. I also feel uncertain that Solas would go that far when he's already tourmented enough by only kissing...

 

But that's my thought. Everyone has their own rights to theirs. That's all I'm saying. 

At least we can all agree on that Solas is Solas 

So truce, please...

This is hilarious, oh my god. Solas is a man, and as a man I don't give a damn how damaged you are, you're getting some ***** or you handle things yourself.

 

Relationships are more than sex. Doesn't mean that you can be "above" it anymore than you're above any of the other normal relationship stuff. Lol this is like looking at the Twilight fandom sometimes, jesus. Sex is a normal part of a relationship, same as kissing, talking to one another and contact. We are humans, humans need these things at least once in a while. No one is above normal human interaction, no matter what bs they feed you or what mask you put on.

 

Solas isn't keeping blue balls forever, not with the way he was holding that ass at the end. I guarantee that.

[almasy87]

I'm fully aware of that. I'm not ignorent in such matters. As you - and I, and so many else - have said earlier it's up to each player to make up their own interpretation/story to what happens/doesn't happen. That's our prerogative after all.

I'm just of the feeling that there's more to their relationship. Like almasy87 said before, I'd like to think that they are beyond that. I also feel uncertain that Solas would go that far when he's already tourmented enough by only kissing...

 

 

 

Exactly what I thought!
If you look at him, he is so tormented to even kiss her, always on the "touch and go", "I want you but I shouldn't". I would assume that for someone who has shared a bed and made love, kissing wouldn't be such a worry anymore. 
Like, if they had.. then the decision to leave would have been even harder for him.. He was in love with her but he was able to leave because he kinda shielded himself from becoming TOO committed (which I would assume would happen if he had slept with her.. but he knew from the start that he could and should not allow himself to reach that level, and even the point he reached was far too deep for him).

No?

Well just my 2 cents

[Eomie]

Has anyone translated with Solas says to Sera in Elven?

 

Ar dirthan'as ir elgara, ma'sula e'var vhenan.

[Colonelkillabee]

Exactly what I thought!
If you look at him, he is so tormented to even kiss her, always on the "touch and go", "I want you but I shouldn't". I would assume that for someone who has shared a bed and made love, kissing wouldn't be such a worry anymore. 
Like, if they had.. then the decision to leave would have been even harder for him.. He was in love with her but he was able to leave because he kinda shielded himself from becoming TOO committed (which I would assume would happen if he had slept with her.. but he knew from the start that he could and should not allow himself to reach that level, and even the point he reached was far too deep for him).

No?

Well just my 2 cents

You don't touch and feel up on someone so comfortably unless you're shagging. Just sayin.