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[Little Mama]

Agree to disagree. My husband and I did all of that for three years before we got married and DID NOT have sex till on our honeymoon.

Like people have said personal interpretation. And each person is probably viewing it through the lens of personal experience.

 

Aww, that's so sweet *giant boa hug*

 

 

 

 

That turmoil at the end was him wanting to simply be with her, it doesn't mean that he's never done the deed. Sure, you can head canon it how you want, but really? Lol. It's rather clear Bioware wanted that but avoided going all the way with it because of his status as a god and his mark on you.

 

 

 

I don't think anyone' s said he hasn't. The discussion was if he and the MC did the deed. 

[The Oracle]

You guys do realise that it's an exercise in futility arguing with the Colonel on this, right? You may as well be debating with a brick wall that has "No, I'm right and you're wrong" spray painted on it. 

[maia0407]

Lol but you did have sex though And I'm sure he took care of his own needs in the meantime while respecting yours.

 

But agree to disagree, sure. I just had to represent for my gender real quick and say my piece. I'll be done in a bit.

 

I'm referring more to people using their real life delusions to support this idea in game, not necessarily saying it's invalid, even if I do think it's a crock of ****, personally.

 

But anyway, that's my 2 cents. Good day to you all

Whelp, thanks for your opinion, I guess. Ladies, we have a male opinion. Case closed. Get rid of all your crock of **** lady brain ideas!

[Miss This or That]

I've been flipping through the thread and I've seen people talking about it from Solas' POV, and going through the romance, and it seems like you'd have to ignore more context than not to headcanon some asexual relationship there, just because there wasn't an actual sex scene.

 

That turmoil at the end was him wanting to simply be with her, it doesn't mean that he's never done the deed. Sure, you can head canon it how you want, but really? Lol. It's rather clear Bioware wanted that but avoided going all the way with it because of his status as a god and his mark on you.

 

I mean, look at this thread. You already had people so upset because they felt manipulated now. Imagine if he did have sex with them in a scene. It'd be worse than the blackwall reaction. This is a safety net at best.

 

You know, we have four female romances this time around - three of them have obvious sexual scenes in them. But yes, go around and pretend like the fourth option has to be sexual, too. Not to mention that kissing doesn't have to be seen as something sexual at all. There are asexuals that are fine with kissing, heck, there are even asexuals that enjoy sex. For different reasons.

 

I'm demisexual myself, so getting a romance option that doesn't force sex scenes on you is great for me - and a good handful of other people on the ace spectrum. So yeah, I roleplay my Lavellans as girls that did not do the deed with him, but possible would have in the future. But guess what happened? Tears happened.

 

I also see Solas as someone that's possibly demisexual himself, based on the things that he says. "I never thought someone could draw my attention away from the fade." Is that so bad? Is it really that wrong to imagine him as someone who's not entirely sexual?

[Addai]

There's no need to get personal, or unfriendly. Personally I don't think it's a male thing Colonel is talking about. At least... looks around... I'm pretty sure these are female bits I've got. But I admit I typically dislike things that are marketed to women, and tend to have a Cassandra outlook on things including sex. The idea that they didn't have sex would never have occurred to me outside of fandom debates, and this debate surely makes it more important than it needs to be.

That is the value of forum discussions- that you learn new information you missed in the game and get different perspectives on it. The down side is that fandom gets weird, and testy. I admit people making Solas into a Fade Monk seems strange to me, but it's still preferable to the Fen'Harel lounge lizard portrayals in the kink meme. However, live and let squee.

I also see Solas as someone that's possibly demisexual himself, based on the things that he says. "I never thought someone could draw my attention away from the fade." Is that so bad? Is it really that wrong to imagine him as someone who's not entirely sexual?

Well, I think it does go against some of his dialogue, like his appreciating the heady mix of politics, intrigue and sex at the ball.

[Rabbitonfire]

You guys do realise that it's an exercise in futility arguing with the Colonel on this, right? You may as well be debating with a brick wall that has "No, I'm right and you're wrong" spray painted on it. 

Not incredibly supportive but I kept thinking: "Fight, fight, fight!" 

 

Whelp, thanks for your opinion, I guess. Ladies, we have a male opinion. Case closed. Get rid of all your crock of **** lady brain ideas!

It's less of a gender thing and more of a relationship opinion. 

[Siha]

It's due to the romance being ambiguous. Solas being asexual? Should have stick to cuddling like a josephine romance. They had sex? Make out on the bed. No... nevermind. someone would interpret it as just make outs on top of the sheets, and not go to the next stage of under the sheets. Full blown ramming. There, they had sex.

Naw. Know what this is about? Colonel is winding you guys up and you jump at it without so much as a second thought. You see, he (?) has had his fun and it was amusing for a while but now is enough, no? I don't think he actually cares about this topic, he just likes to annoy you. And after a few pages of this I feel tired of it and I just want you to stop giving him the pleasure of heating up any longer.

 

I totally could not care less about what a player thinks if they had sex or not. Everybody gets the experience from the game/romance that s/he prefers. That's what the designers intended, I am sure, and that's what I see. You prefer him to have sex? Fine. You want him to be abstinent? Just as good.

[Miss This or That]

There's no need to get personal, or unfriendly. Personally I don't think it's a male thing Colonel is talking about. At least... looks around... I'm pretty sure these are female bits I've got. But I admit I typically dislike things that are marketed to women, and tend to have a Cassandra outlook on things including sex. The idea that they didn't have sex would never have occurred to me outside of fandom debates, and this debate surely makes it more important than it needs to be.

That is the value of forum discussions- that you learn new information you missed in the game and get different perspectives on it. The down side is that fandom gets weird, and testy. I admit people making Solas into a Fade Monk seems strange to me, but it's still preferable to the Fen'Harel lounge lizard portrayals in the kink meme. However, live and let squee.

 

I'm not getting unfriendly, here. I'm simply stating that just because he has an opinion about sex doesn't mean he should think that everyone shares that opinion. It's fine if he imagines Solas as being sexual! It's fine if his Lavellan did the deed with him! But once someone goes around and announces that hey, just because you don't see it doesn't make this character asexual or demisexual, in fact he could never possibly be demi or ace, then that draws the line for me.

[jellobell]

Must try all of this. 

 

So far I've only gotten the banters. Nothing when I speak to companions.

And Madame Vivianne can go drown herself in a river    She doesn't go together with my IQ at all. 

Aw, I love Viv.   She's intelligent, badass, and cold as ice. Probably not the kind of person I'd care to be friends with irl, but I respect her achievements. She sort of took my dalish inquisitor under her wing, I think, which bemused my Lavellan. Vivienne's quite motherly, which is when she displays her gentler side. Her banter with Solas is amazing, too. She's one of the few characters who can match him for wits and wordplay.

 

@Jellobell: Think my favourite companion response to it is Sera.  "Yeah I've seen the way you look at him.  Bet he screams ELVEN GLORY when he does it.'  If you ask her about him as a companion specifically after establishing your romance.

Oh, Sera. I like to think that that comment was revenge for Solas trolling her after she put lizards in his bedroll. And speaking of Sera, the way she shouts, "Elfy! Get up!" in this really worried tone whenever Solas goes down is rather adorable. I really do like their relationship.

 

And re: Cole. I made him human because it made for the best character arc imo. At certain points he says that he chose to make himself "forget" the Fade. Like in that stargazing banter with Solas in the hissing wastes. He's making a concerted effort to become "more real", and he is consciously severing ties with his spirit side in order to better be able to help people. It was a nice progression to taking him to the Fade in Here Lies the Abyss. Once again, he asserts that he left for a reason. Then you get those talks with Spirit!Justinia about the importance of memory in being able to change. And Cole's expressed an interest in learning and growing. Becoming more. So by allowing him to continue on that path, my Inquisitor saw it as giving him the chance to follow through on his original choice. And I loved how self-aware human!Cole was. He wasn't as uncomplicatedly happy, but he was able to analyze his own mind much better. That whole conversation about how he understood Rhys and Evangeline much better, and how he was was coming to enjoy being human melted my heart.

 

His personal quest is also such a lovely look at Solas's mindset, too. In my game, I'd done All New and then Here Lies the Abyss. So basically he went from seeing one of his only friends corrupted into a demon, to seeing legions of innocent spirits corrupted into demons because of the Grey Wardens' weakness. No wonder he was so freaked out at Varric's suggestions. But my Inquisitor, who had been paying attention to Cole, and who hadn't seen as many spirits corrupted as Solas had, made the call to allow Cole to deal with things as a human. And I loved that, even though he disapproved, Solas saw that Cole was actually doing very well, and acknowledged that he might have been mistaken. I thought it was a lovely character moment when Cole and Varric went off, leaving Solas and Lavellan alone together. In my headcanon, she used the opportunity to reassure him. After all, Solas values thoughtful plans, and she'd thought about this very carefully.

[drake2511]

I wanted to keep my mind off of things... I figured I could try to learn how to draw with carbon pencils. It's just a sketch and it's not finished, but I feel like sharing

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[AutumnOracle]

Just for another male perspective. Hubby and I have talked extensively on this (and bless him for supporting my obsession with Sola's), he also doesn't think they did it. Like Weekes terribly feely quote he thinks duty got the best of the relationship.

However I TOTALLy get people who think they did. And wish I could headcannon it. I mean its hot! And the dialogue you hear or don't hear can change that a lot.

So let's just agree that we are all human and sex or not have fallen head over heels for that fictional egghead....

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[maia0407]

I'm not getting unfriendly, here. I

Eh, don't worry about the tone trolling. Guy was pushing some sexist buttons; it's not uncommon for the people that respond negatively to be told to be nice. Your post was fine.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm not getting unfriendly, here. I'm simply stating that just because he has an opinion about sex doesn't mean he should think that everyone shares that opinion. It's fine if he imagines Solas as being sexual! It's fine if his Lavellan did the deed with him! But once someone goes around and announces that hey, just because you don't see it doesn't make this character asexual or demisexual, in fact he could never possibly be demi or ace, then that draws the line for me.

Except I never said he couldn't be. I said that it was rather idealistic. Naive, in other words. Unlikely, to the point where people arguing for it pages back came off as ridiculous.

[Miss This or That]

Well, I think it does go against some of his dialogue, like his appreciating the heady mix of politics, intrigue and sex at the ball.

 

Not entirely, no. He could simply enjoy that because he's a trickster god or because he simply, well, enjoys it because it amuses him. I do enjoy romance novels and romantic fanfictions, even write fanfiction myself, but that doesn't make me any less demisexual.

[Colonelkillabee]

Eh, don't worry about the tone trolling. Guy was pushing some sexist buttons;

I was what? Lol.

[Kittn]

....
 
As Weeks himself put it "When he kisses the Inquisitor, he is fully ready to lose himself in her and forget about the mission he has dedicated himself to. However, when he pulls back, he realizes that he cannot do that lest he betray himself. He decides right then that he needs to break off his emotional entanglement with the Inquisitor, as much as it hurts him."

 
Telling on myself. Still haven't listened to the podcast, but Ick. Don't like the finality of how that sounds. I think my heart just retreated back a little more into the expect the worst corner for Wolf Hunt possibilities. Just when I was tiptoeing Team Optimism's side of the field. too. Damn my eyes.
 

You can think what you want and have whatever opinions you want, but there's realism and idealism, and this is disney land idealistic bs.

 
For what it's worth, I sodding love me some Disney. And I'm of mind to get terrible unfriendly about it if I have to, so bite me, Colonel Killjoy.

You don't come into a thread like this, posting what you did in the way you did with the intention of making friends or sparking intellectual debate. That makes you a troll. So now I can mark responding to someone like you off my bucket list.

I've always wanted to do it at least once.

[Little Mama]

Not incredibly supportive but I kept thinking: "Fight, fight, fight!" 

 

 

First of all, jus LOL or even ROFL 

 

And for my one last entry on this subject I'm going to make a list of what I've said/wanted to say

 

• Looking at the situation, Solas being so reluctent/repentent about just kissing I don't see my IQ and him doing the deed. Doesn't mean others didn't.
• I don't think of him as a virgin, fade monk or even asexual, just respectful to the IQ. (Not all men are animals) There's no doubt in my mind that he wants to do it, but his emotions and thoughts struggle.
• Their bonds go deeper than just physical. They respect and understand each other without words. Not saying that doesn't mean they don't desire one and another or that sex lacks this aspects.  
• He ends it because he feels he's about to loose himself in her/are starting to be ready to give up his own mission. Thus he has to end it, no matter how much it hurts himself. 

_{And there's been 10 new replies while writing this} 

 

 

And I happen to LOVE Disney classics, thank you... _{doesn't mean I don't love sex too...}

[Felya87]

just finished my second run at DAI with the female Qunari. (I still hope I can give her some decent hair for the DLCs when they will be out... )

And...I'm the only one who thought about Duck Tales the movie when the remnants of the temple started flyng in the air?

[Avejajed]

Lol but you did have sex though And I'm sure he took care of his own needs in the meantime while respecting yours.

But agree to disagree, sure. I just had to represent for my gender real quick and say my piece. I'll be done in a bit.

I'm referring more to people using their real life delusions to support this idea in game, not necessarily saying it's invalid, even if I do think it's a crock of ****, personally.

But anyway, that's my 2 cents. Good day to you all

Haha you remind me of nearly every man I ever knew, including my dear husband.

He likes to pretend his opinion is fact too.

[Colonelkillabee]

For what it's worth, I sodding love me some Disney. And I'm of mind to get terrible unfriendly about it if I have to, so bite me, Colonel Killjoy.

You don't come into a thread like this, posting what you did in the way you did with the intention of making friends or sparking intellectual debate. That makes you a troll. So now I can mark responding to someone like you off my bucket list.

I've always wanted to do it at least once.

Okay *munch*

 

If that's what you think is trolling, don't come to the cassandra thread. I came in with a harsh tone with a POV that goes against what a lot of you think or like, yea. That doesn't make me a troll.

[drake2511]

Hey, we are unicorns. Hush.



http://forum.bioware...art/?p=17677164

[Colonelkillabee]

Haha you remind me of nearly every man I ever knew, including my dear husband.

He likes to pretend his opinion is fact too.

And I'm apparently pushing the sexist buttons. Okay, lol.

 

But yes, divert what I said if you want.

[Miss This or That]

Except I never said he couldn't be. I said that it was rather idealistic. Naive, in other words. Unlikely, to the point where people arguing for it pages back came off as ridiculous.

 

Welp, got a new headcanon. The Iron Bull is now asexual! That's much more idealistic and naive than Solas being demisexual, cough cough.

 

That's the last thing I will say regarding this topic. Live and let live, as they say. If I can't get demisexual!Solas then I will gladly choose the next high dragon and fly off into the sunset with it. Because dragons are awesome. 'nuff said.

[Sister Squish]

Given all our theories on the connections between the ancient dwarves and the ancient elves, I could totally see the Arlathan elves having arenas where the gods' champion settle disputes with each other rather than having them go nuclear directly. Likewise for the nobility. Add in some of the usual bloody spectator sport, and the elves trying to make the combat artsy rather than effective for entertainment/art's sake, and it makes perfect sense to me.

Sort of how the 'ancestors judge the victor'. But with Elgar'nan literally watching you fight throwing popcorn and shoving pomegranate juice at Fen'harel, demanding he take a bet on who is going to win.

(Abelas wins.)

I haven't found this Codex entry in the Exalted Plains.

Not yet.

 

[Andruil does not approve of the beverage] because she's a jealous tart and she had better get used to disappointment.

This proverbial halla has already been hunted.

 

Just watch when it turns out that Andruil was one of the nicest pantheon members before she got hit with the red lyrium whammy.    And June was secretly behind everything the entire time.

Of the Creators, I'm very wary of Falon'din after his ominous and Archdemon-y Song, suspicious of Dirthamen after all the nonsense in his Temple, (WHO PUTS THAT MANY ARCANE HORRORS TOGETHER? COME ON!) and suspect Sylvaise was the closest to Fanon Andruil in personality.

http://dragonage.wik...Song_to_SylaiseYou scary, lady. Unless you were Toth. Toth kinda sucked.  

http://dragonage.wik...ng_to_Elgar'nanWhat usurpers? Tevinter? Other gods? Huh?

Shake the earth is interesting considering Arlathan is said to have been taken into the earth. But I like his song. Gets the blood pumping.  

Then Falon'din... http://dragonage.wik...ng_to_Falon'Din

The fact that I would happily work for him as my evil overlord doesn't overshadow the fact that that's hella halla creepy.

 

I'm too tired to polish this right now, but anyhow:

 

 

First movie screens, now with captions matching his her vallaslin...

 

HAH! If June ends up being the mastermind... Oh that'd be so glorious. Especially if he's Sandal. THE LAST PERSON YOU WOULD EXPECT.

Sylaise is totally an envy demon put to life. Say what you want about her keeping the Elves warm and teaching them craft - she kept the warm by the fires of her burning jealousy and taught them stuff to take credit for the accomplishments of others. "Oh, what's that? You came up with a way to weave a basket. Show me! *kills them* Oh hey guys, I invented how to weave a basket. Here, let me show you how. Aren't I WONDERFUL?"

Falon'Din totally fell off the cliffs of insanity. That's all I have to say about the subject. That he wasn't somehow involved in Mythal's murder would be.. inconceivable.

... I'll show myself the door.

 

*nervous laughter*  

 

 ...have I mentioned how completely terrifying that song to Falon'Din is in terms of blight?   I'm willing to chalk up his mastery over "the dark that lies" to manipulative fade-dreams, though it's a bit unsettling how it mirrors Corypheus' description of the "darkness" he found and mastered in the City.  It's the line about how his faithful sing that makes me twitch.  Nothing like being stuffed with red lyrium to make a Song nice and loud.

 

That said, it has to be a red herring, right?  Still on board with Triple Threat Theory, still clinging to the idea that Solas and his soul are working in tandem... these days at least, if not the whole time.  Cole would freak the hell out otherwise, right?  

 

Right.   Everything is fine.  I'm sure it is.  

 

Except for Sylaise.  That chick is crazy.  

 

Finished another one of the Elven Pantheon, today! *throws confetti*

 

This is my Andruil, spoiler'd for hugeness.

 

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http://mypixelmuse.t...t-and-sacrifice 

 

The soap opera that is the elven pantheon makes me so happy

[jellobell]

 
Telling on myself. Still haven't listened to the podcast, but Ick. Don't like the finality of how that sounds. I think my heart just retreated back a little more into the expect the worst corner for Wolf Hunt possibilities. Just when I was tiptoeing Team Optimism's side of the field. too. Damn my eyes.

That's not a direct quote. Weekes never uses the word "entanglement". You should really listen to the podcast. I have multiple times and I'm still on team optimism. In fact, I think it's rather optimistic overall.