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[Colonelkillabee]

Well, he could also be your Gandalf, sort of.

 

"You shall not pass up this sweet cake, it is very delightful!"

 

I like the Merlin comparison because Merlin had his own motivations that went beyond protecting Arthur, even though that was a motivation of his, and Merlin was of course far more powerful than Arthur was, and yet arthur gets all the love.

 

It's the same here, more or less, though while Solas may befriend you, his real motivations are elsewhere. Sticking with you to make up for his mistakes. As I see it anyway.

 

That's from a bromance perspective of course. As a romance, lol this actually reminds me a lot of the Thor movie. Not the best example I know, but with the talk of rifts and godlike beings and so on, lol. Which is funny since he's supposed to be the trickster god. By mistranslation anyway.

[Tielis]

Just watch when it turns out that Andruil was one of the nicest pantheon members before she got hit with the red lyrium whammy.  And June was secretly behind everything the entire time.

Of the Creators, I'm very wary of Falon'din after his ominous and Archdemon-y Song, suspicious of Dirthamen after all the nonsense in his Temple, (WHO PUTS THAT MANY ARCANE HORRORS TOGETHER? COME ON!) and suspect Sylvaise was the closest to Fanon Andruil in personality.

http://dragonage.wik...Song_to_SylaiseYou scary, lady. Unless you were Toth. Toth kinda sucked. 

http://dragonage.wik...ng_to_Elgar'nanWhat usurpers? Tevinter? Other gods? Huh?

Shake the earth is interesting considering Arlathan is said to have been taken into the earth. But I like his song. Gets the blood pumping. 

Then Falon'din... http://dragonage.wik...ng_to_Falon'Din

The fact that I would happily work for him as my evil overlord doesn't overshadow the fact that that's hella halla creepy.

 

They still sound like schools of magic to me!

 

Sylaise was the mage who first mastered fire spells, Elgar'nan lightning, and Falon'din necromancy.

[Avejajed]

I just want to say (I'm terrible at staying away when I say I'm going to...) that I am sorry for being so argumentative earlier, and also for my own sweeping generalized statement about men. It was sexist and it was wrong of me to say.

 

Not all men like to be right, of course. Not any more than women also like to be right. Like me. I like to be right all the time. I also like arguing for argument's sake. But I've been trying to be a different person that I used to be on the BSN so I can admit when I'm wrong and apologize for acting like a twit.

 

I will say, though, that when people come into a thread and make aggressive statements that may be unpopular or may hit a nerve, they can not claim ignorance that such statements would have backlash and that they are just here for the sake of debate.  I've been aggressive on the boards for the sake of aggression. To see what feathers I could ruffle. I did it on purpose.

 

I hope that's not the case here.

[Sah291]

*late to the party but barging in to make some sweeping statements about respect*

Nobody has got the right to claim that sex devalues a relationship - pixels or real. Nobody has the right to claim that lack of sex devalues a relationship - pixels or real. You may state your preferences on a personal level but don't you dare judge other peoples preferences as long as we are talking two consenting adults. Talking about sex as dirty/base is just as bad as calling people who prefer non-sexual relationships sick or immature.

To me a relationship between two adults without sex is absurd, so my HC is Solas and Lavellan had sex in every room in Skyhold, several places at the ball, each and every branch sturdy enough to hold them and every tent in every camp. If your HC is chaste - good for you (in a totally non-sarcastic tone), neither preference has any kind of value above the other.

I've been on the fence whether they did or didn't. It is surely left ambiguous for the player to decide and without a right or wrong answer. But I think I've decided the question seems to be whether the relationship was ever fully consummated or not....and the way he ends things, they do stop short of fully consummating and committing to that relationship. Some people feel sex symbolizes that, but in the context of this romance, I don't really..... For Solas I think that act of consummation would be more about letting her finally see behind the mask. Which he came very close to doing but stopped short. So whether they had sex or not isn't really relevant for me I suppose. I really hadn't given it that much thought. I think the reason for me that the vallaslin scene feels more intimate than a sex scene would is because it is like he is getting to see behind her mask (figuratively) if she lets him remove them. But then he won't reciprocate.

[BoscoBread]

 

Re: Vivienne.

 

I have somewhat mixed feelings towards her. My main problem with her is not that she's pro-Circle - any perspective is welcome and can be justified - but the fact that I don't really see her as a *Circle mage*. She's more of a noble, if anything. She has much more freedom and influence than any other mage. Yes, she has worked hard to get it, but what about all the restrictions she insists are necesary? Should they be applied to any mage, but not to Viv herself? So everyone should be locked up, while she plays the Game? By her own logic, she also counts as "dangerous" and should be isolated, but nope. If she'd succumb to the restrictions she wants to impose on other mages, I'd respect her more. 

 

At least she has some wonderfully snarky banters. 

 

Oh yeah. She's an incredible hypocrite.  Solas basically tells her that.  And I think you can actually tell her that and she'll make a ****** face at you and disapprove. 

 

I would pay full game price for the final battle to be Solas and Vivienne just snarking off at eachother for 10 min.

[Colonelkillabee]

I will say, though, that when people come into a thread and make aggressive statements that may be unpopular or may hit a nerve, they can not claim ignorance that such statements would have backlash and that they are just here for the sake of debate.

I never said I didn't expect a backlash, yet I did come for a debate despite that. I do not avoid debates or refrain from saying my piece just because I know people will respond negatively. It makes it easier to counter their points anyway.

 

[k_drake]

I like the Merlin comparison because Merlin had his own motivations that went beyond protecting Arthur, even though that was a motivation of his, and Merlin was of course far more powerful than Arthur was, and yet arthur gets all the love.

 

It's the same here, more or less, though while Solas may befriend you, his real motivations are elsewhere. Sticking with you to make up for his mistakes. As I see it anyway.

 

That's from a bromance perspective of course. 

The romance makes some sense in the context of the legend, if we can assume that Lavellan is sort of like a benevolent Nimue (especially if she's a mage...)...except Solas doesn't succumb to her charms in the end.

 

I've thought about trying to find counterparts for DAI characters in Arthurian legend.  Although I have to admit I was thinking about Mordred for Solas (more like he was in The Once and Future King than in Le Morte d'Arthur).  But overall I couldn't find many satisfactory parallels. 

[Siha]

This person. You can deter a cat from kissing you by shaking tinfoil sheets violently. Cats do not like the sound or feel of crumpled tinfoil. You can't do it often  or the sheet will tear and then they'll feel safe. There should be no safety in tinfoil theories.

Epic.
Though I'm a cat person.
Totally unrelated but "safety" always gets me here:

Spoiler

Edit: or, rather, here:

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[Rabbitonfire]

@Avejajed: It's ok, I don't contribute much to discussions besides feeling the urge of seeing or being the devil's advocate. I rather just tease and make light of the situation even if it is not called for. It's my kind of fun. 

[Addai]

In a high-approval conversation she expresses concern for the Inquisitor and gives them advice about their position, advising them to make themselves indispensable if they want to hold onto their power. She's worried about the Inquisitor possibly being betrayed (and, as a player of the Game, something she knows very well). It's rather cute, actually. She acted rather like a mother hen. That's what I was referring to when I talked about viv taking my lavellan under her wing in a sense. She wants to help the Inquisitor out with her accumulated political knowledge.

Ah, ok. Like I said, I'll never see this so to me there's really no use for her in my characters' sphere of influence. That sounds a bit condescending, too, and it seems to me like she's hitching her train without giving a lot back. But I accept that she's just not a character that has any appeal to me. Even Sera, who I end up in severe disapproval with whether I want to or not, at least offers something entertaining and novel, but Vivienne is just Wynne in funny hats- and an Orlesian and politician to boot. *shudder*

I found it entertaining to listen to her snipe back and forth with Solas over Cole- for about five minutes. Then I'd had enough of that, too.
 

The Divine Thing: Out of the blue I mentioned it?  It's in the game if you get high enough approval.  Or do you mean 'out of the blue' like her being made divine at all doesn't really have context.  I'm not trying to be purposefully stupid, let me know which one and I'll be happy to clarify.

The latter.

[RebbyWriter]

*Desperately tries to change subject*

 

So, I have drawn three of the Elven Pantheon, as of yesterday.

 

Sylaise

http://mypixelmuse.t...he-hearthkeeper

 

Dirthamen

http://mypixelmuse.t...f-secrets#notes

 

and Andruil

http://mypixelmuse.t...sacrifice#notes

 

I was kind of stuck on who I should do next. I have ideas for both Ghil and Falon'Din. Any thoughts?

 

*edit* Solas on top!

 

http://jakface.tumbl...hilarious#notes

[Colonelkillabee]

Actually, it the romance makes a bit sense in the context of the legend, if we can assume that Lavellan is sort of like a benevolent Nimue...except Solas doesn't succumb to her charms in the end.

Honestly, Lavellan's tarot card does remind me of art I've seen of Ladies of the Lake.

[Kittn]

*Desperately tries to change subject*
 
So, I have drawn three of the Elven Pantheon, as of yesterday.
 
Sylaise
http://mypixelmuse.t...he-hearthkeeper
 
Dirthamen
http://mypixelmuse.t...f-secrets#notes
 
and Andruil
http://mypixelmuse.t...sacrifice#notes
 
I was kind of stuck on who I should do next. I have ideas for both Ghil and Falon'Din. Any thoughts?

I have become unreasonably attached to Falon'din of late. So he'd have my completely biased vote on this matter. All of these are fantastic, by the way!

[Maria13]

There's a number of party members that can barely justify their place there.

 

Sera in my opinion really has no place at your side. You can choose to of course, but she doesn't serve any point besides... moral compass? Don't know if I can say that when she murders a noble when he was unarmed. A douche, but still.

 

 

 

Sera is the vox pop she's a voice of the people, the not so rich, influential or magic... I thing Bioware felt the need to balance things out socially, Blackwell also comes from the same direction.

[Little Mama]

@RebbyWriter

 

I really liked the Andruil one hanging upside down. 

 

[Lady Luminous]

There's a number of party members that can barely justify their place there.

 

Sera in my opinion really has no place at your side. You can choose to of course, but she doesn't serve any point besides... moral compass? Don't know if I can say that when she murders a noble when he was *unarmed. A douche, but still.

 

 

*Technically not unarmed, Sera gave him a dagger.  

[Siha]

Sera is the vox pop she's a voice of the people, the not so rich, influential or magic... I thing Bioware felt the need to balance things out socially, Blackwell also comes from the same direction.

Generally I think that Sera, Vivienne etc. are meant to show that there is no "the elves", "the mages", "the Templars" and so on. Bull is also very different from previous Qunari. It's probably all about changing perspective and questioning established beliefs.
Maybe?

[Rabbitonfire]

Awww yesss.

 

 

http://thepunchlinei...ut-then-i-didnt

[Colonelkillabee]

Generally I think that Sera, Vivienne etc. are meant to show that there is no "the elves", "the mages", "the Templars" and so on. Bull is also very different from previous Qunari. It's probably all about changing perspective and questioning established beliefs.
Maybe?

I agree. Cole serves that purpose as well. Dorian too obviously.

[Siha]

*Technically not unarmed, Sera gave him a dagger.

Technically not unarmed, just that his 3 or 4 weapons were killed by the inquisitor before the conversation.

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's probably all about changing perspective and questioning established beliefs.
Maybe?

 

That's one of the large take-away themes I got from Inquisition in general.  It's almost like being in school and advancing with your education; you find out that the stuff you learned in, say, early grade school isn't WRONG per se, but it's definitely simplified and distorted.

[Lady Luminous]

Technically not unarmed, just that his 3 or 4 weapons were killed by the inquisitor before the conversation.

 

That too. It was self defense!  

[Colonelkillabee]

That's one of the large take-away themes I got from Inquisition in general.  It's almost like being in school and advancing with your education; you find out that the stuff you learned in, say, early grade school isn't WRONG per se, but it's definitely simplified and distorted.

And the only consistency across the board for dragon age is yes, Orlesians do suck. Loghain was right, lol.

[KarateKats]

Yesterday or so some people were discussing how the symbol under the divine during her sacrifice is identical to the one on the floor during Solas' first quest. I thought it was an interesting coincidence so I went back to check it out and take some screenshots of both the symbol and the statues around the room since I'm bored. Maybe they'll be useful to you theorycrafters in this thread. http://imgur.com/a/0KcS9#0

[madrar]

I've been thinking about the whole "dragons are resistant to the Taint" thing. Now, ofc this could be attributed to "magical dragon blood", but why would they need to be resistant in the first place? Things usually become resistant/immune to... things... that are a danger on an every-day basis. Meaning, the dragons must have been exposed to the Taint for a long time to develop their resistance? The Taint, the Taint everywhere

 

Just a random crazy thought 

 

In theory, dragons are resistant because blight is essentially a battle of Will: whether its Song is able to overpower who and what you are.  ...which seems to be true for just about everyone and everything, given enough time.  Dragons (and other similarly old or strong-willed entities) hold out longer because their own Song is strong enough to compete for a while.  Similarly, Grey Wardens' intense sense of duty and purpose, reinforced by the rest of the blood magic ritual, allows them to hold out longer than most.  

 

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how Andruil was un-lyrium-ified back in the day, though.  If we start with the assumption that collaboration with June progressed from simple augmentation until she was essentially a red lyrium golem with Andruil's OGS inside, were they forced to yank her 'soul' out wholesale, cleaning it Archdemon-style?   Or can we assume more finesse with Falon'Din / Dirthamen involved- redirecting her back into an untainted body?  

 

Either way, it's a bit concerning that there might be an extremely advanced and powerful empty red lyrium golem-vehicle sealed away somewhere, just waiting for another powerful  spirit to jump in and take it for a spin.  @w@