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[Ajna]

We're back baby!

We broke through last night and I was mocked for biting my fingernails..

[Colonelkillabee]

That's actually how I understand Solas' long term goal, sorry if this was not clear. I think his default goal is to reshape the world into one where Fade is one of it's states (like rainy weather!) and not a separate entity.

 

How exactly though this would help the elves, how this could differ from what he could have potentially done with the elven pantheon and the Forgotten ones and if the effects won't be as disapointing for him as the current results of his past actions are... - no idea! Happy to have a bit of brainstorming on this here.

 

Some think that all elves used to be like Solas is now, and that they were all these godlike beings back when the fade was one with the world. I don't agree, though I do think it's possible that all life was more or less the same at one point. Perhaps everyone was "elven" and elves only became elven when other life like qunari and humans started appearing and were different from them.

 

It would make elves closer to what Solas and Mythal are, and the old gods. Or, like what Addai suggested in a debate we had, the humans are closer to what the old gods are. It seemed like a convenience at the time for what we were talking about, but when you consider the text and that the old gods anchor the mortal world and were chosen to be worshiped by humans, it kind of makes sense.

 

Anyway, the point is that life degraded after the fade was separated from the real world, clearly. Those flowers blooming obviously suggests some form of life being created from their joining, life that wasn't possible before.

 

It reminds me of Ulric's dialogue about mages being something more when made "abominations". Maybe demons are not just seeking to become what humans are, but to become what they once were when the fade and mortal world were united. Something like what Solas and mythal are.

 

If solas could bring about that change in a way that did not go horribly wrong, essentially making an "abomination" of the mortal world, it would certainly help elves and everyone else.

[Siha]

We're back baby!
(screenshot cut)

That's what circular arguments about pixelsex and sexism get you!

[Pinax]

@HatUmbra

 

I support you!

 

I appreciate I consider loading the save of my first Lavellan and actually keeping the valasslin because I just can't look at her with the imo terrible eyebrows I chose for her, lol I guess they hid too well under the tatoo when I made her and I just missed them!
 

[Maria13]

And the only consistency across the board for dragon age is yes, Orlesians do suck. Loghain was right, lol.

 

The Fereldan mercenary in the garden of the Winter Palace "Assholes! Cheesemongers! I came all the way from Denerim for this!"

[Rabbitonfire]

I didn't know sera was popular. People kept complaining that she was terrible to get along with.

 

On the other hand, someone made a autoremix of dorian's laughter.

[Colonelkillabee]

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Some think that all elves used to be like Solas is now, and that they were all these godlike beings back when the fade was one with the world. I don't agree, though I do think it's possible that all life was more or less the same at one point. Perhaps everyone was "elven" and elves only became elven when other life like qunari and humans started appearing and were different from them.

 

It would make elves closer to what Solas and Mythal are, and the old gods. Or, like what Addai suggested in a debate we had, the humans are closer to what the old gods are. It seemed like a convenience at the time for what we were talking about, but when you consider the text and that the old gods anchor the mortal world and were chosen to be worshiped by humans, it kind of makes sense.

 

Anyway, the point is that life degraded after the fade was separated from the real world, clearly. Those flowers blooming obviously suggests some form of life being created from their joining, life that wasn't possible before.

 

It reminds me of Ulric's dialogue about mages being something more when made "abominations". Maybe demons are not just seeking to become what humans are, but to become what they once were when the fade and mortal world were united. Something like what Solas and mythal are.

 

If solas could bring about that change in a way that did not go horribly wrong, essentially making an "abomination" of the mortal world, it would certainly help elves and everyone else.

 

Also to add to this, remember that Solas is a god. He won't die of old age, but you will. Perhaps Solas feels a duty to bring about this change for you. Rather than watching the world die as you do.

[Addai]

Also to add to this, remember that Solas is a god. He won't die of old age, but you will.

Banal nadas. If anyone has a shot at returning to an Uthenera state, it's Lavellan.

[Rabbitonfire]

Also to add to this, remember that Solas is a god. He won't die of old age, but you will. Perhaps Solas feels a duty to bring about this change for you. Rather than watching the world die as you do.

I, for one, look forward to Solas and elderly lavellan fanart. 

 

Sounds like a better plan to make a better world for the ones you care for. But what's a century to a god?

[CapricornSun]

As I catch up on the thread, I thought I'd mention that the Solas shirts are once again available in the BioWare store, for those who didn't get one when they were last released.

 

Thanks for the heads up! I just placed an order for one. (There goes my money... The things I do for a Solas shirt. TT__TT)

[Colonelkillabee]

Banal nadas. If anyone has a shot at returning to an Uthenera state, it's Lavellan.

If I were Solas, I'd rather be sure of it. I'd go mad knowing that my love could die after I brought about the change (supposedly), and I'd have to go on forever without her after.

[Meer]

Thanks for the heads up! I just placed an order for one. (There goes my money... The things I do for a Solas shirt. TT__TT)

Not at all! I've been watching my email like a hawk (wow, it's sad how many times I had to retype that to not spell it as Hawke) for the restock, and ... am now out twenty-odd dollars as well as my heart. *Shakes fist.* Solas! 

[Colonelkillabee]

I, for one, look forward to Solas and elderly lavellan fanart. 

 

Sounds like a better plan to make a better world for the ones you care for. But what's a century to a god?

A millisecond. You'd come and go, and in that short moment, the rest of his life would be despair.

[Sister Squish]

 Awsome.
One thing I do miss though: what is red lyrium and where does it come from? Surely you can make this work within this overall concept... red lyrium is alive, it's red... lyrium corrupted by the blood of the tainted gods or something? I mean, it's so important to everything but we have nothing about what it actually is, yet.

 

It appears this 'June the Betrayer' theory makes the assumption that Lyrium already exists and is in use by the time these events begin. Cross-referencing to prior tin-foil theories, the Lyrium may be the component responsible for giving "The Stone" it's "hive-mind" properties. More precisely, it's collective consciousness and "song". Like a neural network. 

 

June then wishes to adapt this knowledge with the "Blight" discovered by Andruil. Which brings us to the only pieces of information we know are certain - that "Red Lyrium" is "Blighted Lyrium" (thanks Bianca), and that Blight has it's own "song". 

 

Lyrium + Blight = 2 mangled together, out-of-tune songs. 

 

"Tainted blood of the gods" is generally believed to be blood of gods having contracted the "Blight". 

 

We now have a working tin-foil theory that the Forgotten Ones, that is, another set of gods separate from the Old Gods and/or Elvhen Pantheon, are ancient dwarven gods."The Stone" began to be worshipped at some point later in the timeline after being "crafted", leaving those gods "forgotten". 

 

So the questions we are left with are where did normal Lyrium come from? And did "The Blight" have a significant origin, before being discovered in the void? 

 

Did all that make sense? x.x 

 

In theory, dragons are resistant because blight is essentially a battle of Will: whether its Song is able to overpower who and what you are.  ...which seems to be true for just about everyone and everything, given enough time.  Dragons (and other similarly old or strong-willed entities) hold out longer because their own Song is strong enough to compete for a while.  Similarly, Grey Wardens' intense sense of duty and purpose, reinforced by the rest of the blood magic ritual, allows them to hold out longer than most.  

 

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how Andruil was un-lyrium-ified back in the day, though.  If we start with the assumption that collaboration with June progressed from simple augmentation until she was essentially a red lyrium golem with Andruil's OGS inside, were they forced to yank her 'soul' out wholesale, cleaning it Archdemon-style?   Or can we assume more finesse with Falon'Din / Dirthamen involved- redirecting her back into an untainted body?  

 

Either way, it's a bit concerning that there might be an extremely advanced and powerful empty red lyrium golem-vehicle sealed away somewhere, just waiting for another powerful  spirit to jump in and take it for a spin.  @w@

 

I admit I did assume that Andruil would have been "healed" by body-hopping. If there is another method, there is hope for many sufferers! 

I also assumed that Andruil's armour would be like Samson's when we confronted him - but going full golem is so much more impressive!

[almasy87]

But this question did make me think of something I find interesting. So imagine you do not speak to Solas after the Temple. He will not break up, he will just tell you "I just wanted you to know it was real" (or whatever his words) and be gone. And Lavellan will just look at him while he says it, not respond to it (no questions, no surprise, no confusion), turn around and go.

 

Are you sure that's what happens?
If I'm not wrong I've read in this exact thread that if you don't talk to him after Mythal and just go straight to Doom upon the World, basically Solas treats you like a "friend inquisitor" and tells you he'll always respect you? Someone was saying that you actually only properly lock in the romance if you do the waterfall scene.

Correct me if I'm wrong!

[Rabbitonfire]

If I were Solas, I'd rather be sure of it. I'd go mad knowing that my love could die after I brought about the change (supposedly), and I'd have to go on forever without her after.

Eh, when you're immortal and watch people die around you you get used to it and accept your fate. Sure you attempt it the first, fourth, or twentieth time to save someone and fail. If you're desperate, you'll be like Alexius. Son is physically there, not really there. Solas could be selfish and save the spirit of wisdom but he respected its wishes and allowed it to die. It's like swim against the current. 

 

That's me... Destroying team optimism. 

[Siha]

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever worried about, but could you kindly look at my rogue Lavellan and tell me how awful you think she will look if I let her tattoo be removed?

 

http://imgur.com/mAPDBQD

 

I didn't notice her lack of eyebrows when I made her.

 

I haven't even done the ball yet so I have plenty of time to agonize over the choice, heehee.

Not so bad. A bit like Marilyn Manson maybe.

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Sorry, I cannot do it better now, this machine does not have Photoshop.

[Colonelkillabee]

If I were Solas, I'd rather be sure of it. I'd go mad knowing that my love could die after I brought about the change (supposedly), and I'd have to go on forever without her after.

 

A millisecond. You'd come and go, and in that short moment, the rest of his life would be despair.

Eh, when you're immortal and watch people die around you you get used to it and accept your fate. Sure you attempt it the first, fourth, or twentieth time to save someone and fail. If you're desperate, you'll be like Alexius. Son is physically there, not really there. Solas could be selfish and save the spirit of wisdom but he respected its wishes and allowed it to die. It's like swim against the current. 

 

That's me... Destroying team optimism. 

 

Lol now this idea reminds me of Anakin Solas running off to change the world for your benefit, and so that you won't die, seeking greater power to make it happen.

 

LOL, Solas even already has the bald head! Dude is ahead of schedule.

[nranola]

It made me very hopeful, too! I loved listening to his perspective(and, well, Garrus and cinnamon forever!)

 

But I was actually troubled about "dropping all his plans to be with her". To do what, exactly? Domestic bliss? Possibly losing his immortality? Being figureheads of the Inquisition that may eventually turn out worse than the Templar Order or the corrupted Seekers? Or leaving the Inquisition and just wandering around exploring the ruins and freeing an occasional dozen of elven slaves? Neither is appealing to me. My character never asked for this and never wanted this. In fact, I think it's a really, really bad idea. I mean, ahem, Solas and Lavellan being together is an awesome idea! But... not like this. Not if the price is abandoning the truth of what and who he is.

 

You're right, that is troubling. Dropping his plans to be with Lavellan, assuming that Solas carries a colossal responsibility elsewhere, would be amazing for a while... but not so good in the long term. While it's painful for us, I think he did the right thing by turning away when he did. I mean, this is Solas. Passionate. Loyal. True. He can't just turn away when the People, whoever they may be, still need him. He would be "betraying himself" if he did.

 

This is speaking from the point of view of us players, though. It still sucks that Lavellan doesn't have a clue why he had to break it off right then and there. It really makes me think how the writers are going to address this in the future in a way that would make sense with, well... everything.

 

I know this is starting to sound doom and gloom, but I'm actually still very hopeful.   This might bite me in the ass later on, but... I trust Weekes. The way he writes is so very considerate of player choice and, I don't know, I just have this feeling that he won't let us down. I'm positive that we'll get a satisfying conclusion to the Solas romance.

 

...Was making a gif of the heartbreak moment, but I conveniently forgot to reverse the frames. I like this version better.  REVERSE THE SADS!

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[Colonelkillabee]

As for team optimism... yea, I don't think a relationship with two beings on such different levels is ever meant to go very well. His perspective is so vastly different from yours.

 

I like the idea that he's doing part of this for levellan, if that's your arc, but I'm pessimistic to the outcome.

[Pinax]

    Colonelkillabee, on 20 Jan 2015 - 5:53 PM, said:

   

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Some think that all elves used to be like Solas is now, and that they were all these godlike beings back when the fade was one with the world. I don't agree, though I do think it's possible that all life was more or less the same at one point. Perhaps everyone was "elven" and elves only became elven when other life like qunari and humans started appearing and were different from them.

    It would make elves closer to what Solas and Mythal are, and the old gods. Or, like what Addai suggested in a debate we had, the humans are closer to what the old gods are. It seemed like a convenience at the time for what we were talking about, but when you consider the text and that the old gods anchor the mortal world and were chosen to be worshiped by humans, it kind of makes sense.

    Anyway, the point is that life degraded after the fade was separated from the real world, clearly. Those flowers blooming obviously suggests some form of life being created from their joining, life that wasn't possible before.

    It reminds me of Ulric's dialogue about mages being something more when made "abominations". Maybe demons are not just seeking to become what humans are, but to become what they once were when the fade and mortal world were united. Something like what Solas and mythal are.

    If solas could bring about that change in a way that did not go horribly wrong, essentially making an "abomination" of the mortal world, it would certainly help elves and everyone else.

    Also to add to this, remember that Solas is a god. He won't die of old age, but you will. Perhaps Solas feels a duty to bring about this change for you. Rather than watching the world die as you do.

 

 

I also don't think the "old" elves were Solas or Mythal like - after all the pantheon existed for a reason and was worshipped in a very cultist way (these slave markings...), I don't think it would be a case if everyone could be a god. I believe Abelas is a good example of a non-god elf of old times.

Besides, if you drink from the Well, Solas describes the elven pantheon as "elves, spirits or something we even don't know" (I quote from what I remember from game and yt), so I think they are definitely more than ordinary elven people to whom anyway "magic was as natural as breathing".

Hence, I agree the life possibly was more or less similar to now.

Taking Mass Effect analogy, asari may be a good comparison to explain how I see the old elves: all asari are natural biotics, though there is a difference between a talented asari biotic and a matriach.

Btw, would you be able to share some links to "the old gods anchor the mortal world" texts? Saw this topic passing by in this thread and I guess it's related to Patrick Weeks book, but as I don't have access to the book, I was wondering if there is already some good compilation on this.

[Rabbitonfire]

Lol now this idea reminds me of Anakin Solas running off to change the world for your benefit, and so that you won't die, seeking greater power to make it happen.

 

LOL, Solas even already has the bald head! Dude is ahead of schedule.

Sure, why not. He doesn't need those legs.

[Pinax]

A millisecond. You'd come and go, and in that short moment, the rest of his life would be despair.

 

Although he was still ready to cherish the first fade kiss forever, if we don't decide to continue the relationship after waking up!

[Lady Luminous]

I didn't know sera was popular. People kept complaining that she was terrible to get along with.

 

On the other hand, someone made a autoremix of dorian's laughter.

 

She's very polarizing, but the ones who like her simply adore her. 

 

Plus it's always crazy antics and OT discussin in the Sera thread.