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[HayleyDawn]

It's like he's been 40 for a while...

 

That makes me wonder. At what point is it decided that immortals stop aging? Why 40? Is it because the Gods saw him and were all "Yes, this. DONE. Peak of hotness, right there."

[Sah291]

I do wonder what he actually expected in getting the orb back. At least a portion of the power was transferred to the Inquisitor, so could the orb ever gain it's full use again? There is (what I feel) early foreshadowing in the game when he says he won't believe the artifact destroyed until he sees the broken pieces himself. So, was he really hopeful of getting the orb back or just stalling the inevitable the whole time? Trying to right as much wrong until he had to face the music as it were.

Yeah I do think it was a refusal to accept the inevitable. I think he does probably expect to lose the orb somehow, and that the original plan is no longer salvageable (it all went wrong), but he won't truly accept it as reality until he sees the shattered pieces with his own eyes. So yeah there does seem to be a theme with Solas struggling against the inevitable.

[Seregwen]

How sad is it that I started my first replay of Mass Effect 3 last night to... "cheer myself up"???

 

 

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[slmisfit]

Is it possible to aquire all the perks without cheating? Just wondering because I'd like to have them all an my thought was maybe doing the requisitions until I had them all early in the game..... like hinterlands only place open early

I don't think it's possible to get enough perk points to unlock everything. Influence caps at 20, and there are more than 20 perks.

[Rabbitonfire]

That makes me wonder. At what point is it decided that immortals stop aging? Why 40? Is it because the Gods saw him and were all "Yes, this. DONE. Peak of hotness, right there."

 

Sometimes if you want to be taken seriously in the elvhen business conference, you gotta look the part. How else do you think he has excellent connections with the elven pantheon and the forbidden ones. The embodiment of the perfect middle man. That's how he trapped all of them.

[Siha]

That makes me wonder. At what point is it decided that immortals stop aging? Why 40? Is it because the Gods saw him and were all "Yes, this. DONE. Peak of hotness, right there."

 

Oh, not that again. I hate this topic, it gets me all excited.

There is only one notion of immortality I will accept and it includes that you are not born. You are somehow created. Take the Wonder Woman approach, shaped from clay, whatever.

Soon as we assume organic evolution as a basis, this concept of immortality does not work anymore. You cannot age and be immortal. You cannot be immortal without being invincible.

So, if you are not an organic creature as such it's alright. You come into the world by whatever magical means and just exist. If you can die this must be in a way that just terminates your existence in an instance, probably by negating whatever effect brought you to life in the first place.

 

Btw, I have no problem with vampires. You get bitten, your whole organism changes (liquid to solid, so to speak), your cells just stop whatever they did before. You don't age, you don't terminate. Unless another **** comes up and you are exposed to sun and it simply transforms you into another aggregate state (like a piece of paper, which will exist unless burned), but that's just bad luck then.

[CapricornSun]

This is without a doubt the most horrendous thing I've ever heard.    I don't know why it horrifies me more than any other type of murder.  Maybe because they are sleeping.  Maybe because the whole practice is somewhat holy/spiritual.  

 

I thought I was the only one who gets the heebie jeebies at the thought of those in uthenera being murdered. I guess, yeah, it's probably because they're asleep with no way to defend themselves from the attack. Ack! Just thinking about the process gives me the creeps. I... hope we don't get to see something like that in-game.

 

Or maybe I do want, because I'm a madwoman. 

[Giton]

Heh, I think you just die. TME describes the process. Eventually the sleepers learn to draw sustenance completely from the Fade, and there's a test to tell when they reach this state, after which they can be left alone indefinitely. [snip]

And then my mind went here --the (extremely) rare practice of acetic self-mummification.

 

Have a happy day! 

[Colonelkillabee]

That makes me wonder. At what point is it decided that immortals stop aging? Why 40? Is it because the Gods saw him and were all "Yes, this. DONE. Peak of hotness, right there."

Personally, I think the gods switch bodies more than just for when they're "murdered" like Mythal was. I personally think Solas is the person you see, and Fen'harel joined with him for one reason or another. I don't think the elf you see and the god he is was always one in the same. Whether they are now or not, which they now may as well be.

[OhDaniGirl28]

I believe immortal is the right word, personally. He can live forever, if all goes well.

That doesn't make him invincible, however. Hence the red lyrium death.

Just my opinion on the issue.

[Siha]

Personally, I think the gods switch bodies more than just for when they're "murdered" like Mythal was. I personally think Solas is the person you see, and Fen'harel joined with him for one reason or another. I don't think the elf you see and the god he is was always one in the same. Whether they are now or not, which they now may as well be.

omg, I am experiencing my first cycle in this thread. I assume, I can just drop out now, knowing that I've seen and read it all? Alright... where do I go next...

 

Joke aside. I share your opinion, others don't and BioWare was clever enough to allow for both. We will have to wait and see!

[Colonelkillabee]

I believe immortal is the right word, personally. He can live forever, if all goes well.

That doesn't make him invincible, however. Hence the red lyrium death.

Just my opinion on the issue.

I agree. They call vampires immortal as well. It's confusing because people call beings that are invincible also immortal, so we associate the two. Not incorrect of course. There's just varying degrees of immortality. And Solas is the former kind, at least in his weakened state.

[Colonelkillabee]

omg, I am experiencing my first cycle in this thread. I assume, I can just drop out now, knowing that I've seen and read it all? Alright... where do I go next...

 

Joke aside. I share your opinion, others don't and BioWare was clever enough to allow for both. We will have to wait and see!

Lol sorry, I read the thread but it goes by so fast I wasn't aware this was something common.

[RynJ]

I believe immortal is the right word, personally. He can live forever, if all goes well.

That doesn't make him invincible, however. Hence the red lyrium death.

Just my opinion on the issue.

 

That's what I think it is too. He can go on living forever, if nothing happens to him. But he's not invincible and the right things can kill him. Basically like a vampire except....he can age? Though that depends on whether Solas as we see him is really Solas as he always was. I'm of a mind that what we see is how he always looked but that might not be the case. I keep in mind that Mythal only switched bodies because she's just a wisp of what she once was that merged with a mortal being. As far as we know, Solas is fully Fen'Harel, just very, very weakened so I don't know if I buy into the idea that he took over some elf's body.

[Colonelkillabee]

Her talk of souls not being forced on the unwilling suggests to me that the gods had need to do this for reasons beyond that though personally. Why, I'm not sure. Kicks and giggles, lol, or maybe they were more spiritlike otherwise, like the wisp, and need bodies to interact, especially after the veil.

[Siha]

I keep in mind that Mythal only switched bodies because she's just a wisp of what she once was that merged with a mortal being.

But Mythal is still so powerful. Transforming into a dragon, besting an archdemon, who knows what else. Should she not be able to sustain a human body? Speeding up cell regeneration or preventing cell decay, is that really so hard to do with powerful magic?

[Uirebhiril]

Awww yesss.

 

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I so had a moment like that when finding an Inquisition scout hat in Dirthamen's lost temple. My, but the Inquisition scouts sure take their job seriously and look everywhere... Now if only they could stop leaving their garments in crumbling ancient chests, we'd save a lot on requisitions.

[Elven_Glory]

Yanno what, I'd never even considered them sleeping together at Skyhold in any capacity. Weird.I mean, I always headcanon'd that they shared a tent when they were out adventuring. Tiger surely kept him awake, pining for more Fade stories or talking about something fantastic they did or saw that day - including confined quarters reenactment of righteous combat when necessary. She'd tire herself out eventually and then they'd get a good night's sleep all cuddled up together.Eh, who am I kidding. This is Tiger Festival. She'd probably end up ungracefully draped all over him. He'd have to disentangle himself from awkwardly placed Lavellan limbs just to get up when he needed to.But, I hadn't considered what they did at Skyhold until I read that. I'm sure she would want him to share her bed. Especially if she'd gotten so used to his close company on the road. While I'm on team Abstinence for them (but only barely), the thought of them just plain sleeping together sounds very cozy. It also makes those last days together every bit more tragic, considering they surely slept apart then.On that first night apart, I can see Tiger sneaking down to his rotunda with her favorite blanket after he'd fallen asleep on the couch, and tucking him in with it before returning to her big, empty room all alone. In light of this, I'm sure she doesn't sleep easily at all anymore.

I seem to be still out of likes, however, this headcanon makes me feel all warm and squishy inside. My Lavellan doesn't sleep well anymore, either, but not just because of the aloneness. She keeps seeing him in her dreams which makes her sleep poorly and the less sleep she gets, the more difficulty she has establishing if it is really him or just a dream interpretation.

[RynJ]

But Mythal is still so powerful. Transforming into a dragon, besting an archdemon, who knows what else. Should she not be able to sustain a human body? Speeding up cell regeneration or preventing cell decay, is that really so hard to do with powerful magic?

 

Morrigan is able to transform into a dragon for the final fight after drinking from the well and I don't think she suddenly became immortal. I don't think we know of any magic that can do that. According to Solas, the ancient elves' magic wasn't what made them immortal, that was natural. Mythal had to keep passing down her wisp to willing hosts so I imagine she can't sustain a body forever.

 

Edit: Wait, Zathrian was immortal, wasn't he? But that was a curse? It's so hard to keep track of all of this.

[LliiraAnna]

But Mythal is still so powerful. Transforming into a dragon, besting an archdemon, who knows what else. Should she not be able to sustain a human body? Speeding up cell regeneration or preventing cell decay, is that really so hard to do with powerful magic?

Well, maybe their original bodies were special/different . Or maybe they never had bodies in the first place and just manifested themselves physically, as Cole did. But Mythal was too weak after her death, so she was forced to find a human host.  

 

Edit: alternatively, it could be that Flemeth's soul/spirit - which apparently exists in her body alongside Mythal - somehow makes complete immortality impossible. Flemeth was a human, after all, and humans are, and always were, mortal.

[almasy87]

For a while I thought, immortality kicks in and they stop aging when they have reached a "mature" age. But then again, some might look so young and some look olders, so I scrapped that idea.

It could be that they are not born yeah, and they just.. "materialize" as they are XD

But then again Flemeth.. she is old. Didn't Mythal posses her when Flemeth was young?
So if Fen'Harel also possessed Solas.. he could in theory become a bit older or change? Except that Solas is/was an elf... but there are different kinds of elves like.. dunno, the Exalted Plains keeper, he seems older to me than others

So no idea when the aging is supposed to stop

[AryBoBary]

*ninja-poofs in*

 

I found baby Fen'Harel...

 

*smoke-bombs out*

[dragondreamer]

Mythal being murdered seemed to a big deal, so I don't think body swapping was common for the elven gods.  It took her a long time to come back.  If body swapping was easier, I think she would have simply possessed one of her priests soon after it happened.  Based on Flemeth's trick with the amulet and the arcane warrior in the soul gem, the ancient elves appear to be able to regenerate if they've planned in advance, but Mythal apparently didn't see a need for it (she trusted and was betrayed) and that method was still distinct from bodyswapping.

[Sister Squish]

But Mythal is still so powerful. Transforming into a dragon, besting an archdemon, who knows what else. Should she not be able to sustain a human body? Speeding up cell regeneration or preventing cell decay, is that really so hard to do with powerful magic?

 

This is part of what leads me to believe that Elvhen used knowledge that may have been beyond them. Sure, if they knew how the body worked, they no doubt would have manipulated the aging process. However, the single "subject" of knowledge they seem to have been significantly advanced in was that relating to souls, dreams and manipulating the fade. Mythal and her kin were powerful, but only in the manner they knew how to be. Hence, immortality through body-hopping and Uthenera. 

[BoscoBread]

For a while I thought, immortality kicks in and they stop aging when they have reached a "mature" age. But then again, some might look so young and some look olders, so I scrapped that idea.

It could be that they are not born yeah, and they just.. "materialize" as they are XD

But then again Flemeth.. she is old. Didn't Mythal posses her when Flemeth was young?
So if Fen'Harel also possessed Solas.. he could in theory become a bit older or change? Except that Solas is/was an elf... but there are different kinds of elves like.. dunno, the Exalted Plains keeper, he seems older to me than others

So no idea when the aging is supposed to stop

I assume the Flemeth body that we see is not the original.  Flemeth is a mortal/human woman. No matter how powerful she is/was.  That's why she has to raise and take the bodies of her daughters.  That's how she extends her life.  So I imagine what we see of Flemeth, in game, is the jut the body of a daughter. She probably didn't originally look like that.

 

As for Solas: I personally prescribe to the theory that the body we see is Solas.  He was born in tha body and just is an ancient elf. Much like Abelas and the guardians. 

 

The elves of the present - like the Keeper you reference are mortal.  They are born like anyone else and age and die.