Looking more at the Chant, this makes me think it could refer to the elven gods.
And so we burned. We raised nations, we waged wars,
We dreamed up false gods, great demons
Who could cross the Veil into the waking world,
Turned our devotion upon them, and forgot you.
This sounds like the old gods to me, but they were once elven, so.
What evidence points to Andruil, Ghil, and June being on the anti-Elgar'nan alliance?
The evidence is circumstantial (as always) but builds up quite a bit in the larger picture. It's a combination of these three being heavily hinted at as being interconnected on a functional and personal level, added to the evidence of direct threat to Order described in Andruil's TOM codex and inferred prior bad behavior and punishment from her mural, topped off by Elgar'nans frustrating inability to give them his standard say-hello-to-the-Void "Forgotten Ones" treatment thanks to his reliance on Ghil and June as tools to maintain Order. (Not just in terms of needing OGS worship vehicles or weapons of war- they actually make the prison-forms that allow him to effectively neutralize all other threats.)
First, Andruil's connection to Chaos (the natural counterpart to Elgar'nan as Order) doesn't require us to accept a core OGS-temperament connection with Sera, though it certainly doesn't hurt. Her own history speaks to that subject if you read between the lines. In her temple mural, Andruil shares a suggestive circular pattern of forehead tiles with only one other member of the Pantheon, June: a connection heavily hinted at being representative of an ancient Arlathan tranquility brand. We're not given the details of her transgression, but we can infer it was serious enough that 1) Elgar'nan felt removing her access to magic was justified, and 2) Mythal did not intercede on her behalf. In this light, Andruil's trips to the Void to go "hunting" take on a very different light: she is hunting for allies, not prey. Her intimate connection with Ghil protects her from being tossed in herself, but she can't fight Order alone, and her ability to even be a thorn in Elgar'nan's side is critically hobbled at this point. (It's also easy to imagine a number of prisoners there being her secret, Red Jenny-esque compatriots- ones that did not share her immunity to Void punishment.)
Like Solas, Ghil's contribution to the cause (the pre-rebellion Cold War of Chaos vs Order in ancient Arlathan) lies not so much in taking direct action, as in what she prevents Order from being able to do. Her personal relationship with Andruil and the Pantheon's reliance on her creations forms a limited but critically protective shield allowing Andruil to act. Similiarly, Solas also prevents threats to Order from being easily or permanently neutralized, as Falon'Din's OGS domain prevents the permanent death of his allies, making their imprisonment in inaccessible monstrous forms within the Void the only viable punitive alternative. Again, forcing Elgar'nan and the alliance of Order to rely on Ghilan'nain and June instead.
And for a while, this seems like Elgar'nan's best option. Falon'Din (and other Forgotten Ones that may have joined his failed rebellion) represent a far more serious and organized threat to society's Order compared to the relatively mild irritation of Andruil's random acts of subversion. However, this changes drastically with the emergence of red lyrium- a bright and shiny new WMD available to both sides (it was Ghil's "oops" that created it) that immediately threatens to turn the Cold War hot. June's loyalties, already hinted at fairly strongly by his collaborative connection with Ghilan'nain in various creations including Void prison forms, becomes quite clear in the formation of Andruil's armor and weapons. This is not something she or Ghil would have had the craft to do- it demands June's direct and willing involvement.
At this point Mythal sees the threat for what it is, and strikes a deal with Falon'Din/Dirthamen: she'll release him from the Void and restore him to the Pantheon in exchange for wiping knowledge of how to access the Void from Andruil's mind. (And by inference, likely that of Ghil and June as well). He agrees, adding yet another "betrayal" to his ever-growing list, this time on the side of Chaos and the Forgotten Ones. Solas is released as Fen'Harel- critically into Mythal's direct custody, where he immediately begins to plant seeds of doubt in the future of the Pantheon as it stands, and coax her instincts regarding the protection of the People into play.
When Elgar'nan continues to experiment with red lyrium as a tool for enforcing Order (evidenced by the crafting of his new focus, as well as the petroglyph-like paintings of red lyrium slaves under the symbol of the sun painted by survivors of the ensuing civil war) Mythal can no longer ignore what he has become. At this point, she, Solas, Andruil, Ghil, and June (perhaps others, but that's still uncertain) join forces in full rebellion against Elgar'nan's Order and the great Civil War of Elvhenan begins.
*rubs her temples*
I hate trying to shove tenuous brain-theory into words. Never comes out right. Let me know if you buy in and want more on the Ghil / red lyrium connection- will dig into theoretical details of how and why.
I like to think that his telling us about 'barbarian humans, holding tunes no Chantry choir has ever matched' was a sneaky FU to the quality of the Inquisition's singing.
"I must bring back the glory of Arlathan: Barbershop quartets!" The real reason Solas is so cleanly shaven.
I have the weirdest hunch that story is a reference to the Barindur, but can't get anywhere with my weak lore. Do we know anything about the tribe aside from its sudden disappearance?
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!
I just got the Measure Veil Strength operation pop, I'd done All New.. I was worried that having done that might have borked it, but it does not!
Edit: I have no idea how many of the artifacts I'd already found, maybe not 10, I don't keep count, so perhaps that's why...
I made a fake screenshot of the final scene, as it should have been.
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You should have lied and said you unlocked this after you completed his wartable mission and continued with the game, lol.
Would have been an epic troll.
i have the same problem, sort of. Getting into his head is fine, his actions and feelings even, but to write for a haracter without a backstory and make it belivable - not so easy! I mean, what is it that motivates him so that he's willing to give up a one true love and even be prepared to kill for it...
Just have to wait for more info I'm afraid.
Exactly! I know Solas. I know he detests tea, abhors the Qun, champions freedom of thought, loves the Fade, considers spirits people, and a dozen other things.
But, why? What made him the man he is now? What changed the Fen'Harel of the past into the Solas of the present? What, specifically, is his cause? What motivates him, each and every day, to leave the peaceful semi-existence of the Fade when he apparently detests the world as it is now? Does he even actually detest the world as it is now, romanced Lavellan or no?
And here I am, once again bummed he chickened out on revealing the truth *sigh*
Ferelden is probably the 3rd strongest human nation on thedas. It just gets belittled because its right next to Orlais.
Doglords 4 lyfe
Thanks, but I really don't get that impression, perhaps it is because I pretty much identify with the country (due to DAO) and have contracted the inferiority complex most Fereldans tend to have...
You should have lied and said you unlocked this after you completed his wartable mission and continued with the game, lol.
Would have been an epic troll.
That is such a fantastically simple evil plan
Exactly! I know Solas. I know he detests tea, abhors the Qun, champions freedom of thought, loves the Fade, considers spirits people, and a dozen other things.
But, why? What made him the man he is now? What changed the Fen'Harel of the past into the Solas of the present? What, specifically, is his cause? What motivates him, each and every day, to leave the peaceful semi-existence of the Fade when he apparently detests the world as it is now? Does he even actually detest the world as it is now, romanced Lavellan or no?
And here I am, once again bummed he chickened out on revealing the truth *sigh*
Think of it this way, that just means he'll obviously be around for a while until we get these answers. One reason why I don't think Flemeth is dead yet.
Gah I can't play yet today cause I've given my origin access to my bro and gf so that they can play this awesome game too 
Gotta wait tomorrow so I will skip all the pages before this in the thread to avoid potentional (?) spoilers about the new quest
As for the other question.. I usually do Here lies the Abyss first.. because for some reason, WEWH seems to me like a more chilled quest and I cannot think of them going to the ball while being anxious in their mind about what is happening to the wardens..
Alse cause I'm always scared that the dance scene won't come xD So I always wait until I have had at least a 2nd kiss (but this is not relevant, just my preference)
The wildlife, they're all ****** possessed, I swear, lol. Goddamn eagles are so annoying. I feel like my mother after she watched Birds! as a little girl. Just blasting those fuckers out the sky every time I see them.
Did you ever play the original Morrowind? Those bugger seagulls, hawks or whatever they were killed my character so many times...
Exactly! I know Solas. I know he detests tea, abhors the Qun, champions freedom of thought, loves the Fade, considers spirits people, and a dozen other things.
But, why? What made him the man he is now? What changed the Fen'Harel of the past into the Solas of the present? What, specifically, is his cause? What motivates him, each and every day, to leave the peaceful semi-existence of the Fade when he apparently detests the world as it is now? Does he even actually detest the world as it is now, romanced Lavellan or no?
And here I am, once again bummed he chickened out on revealing the truth *sigh*
i think the right Lavellan/IQ make him see that the world isn't lost beacuse of one misstake. I mean he thanks the IQ he respects for showing him that there's always a way forward/always hope of a better tomorrow. So he wants to correct his misstake and try again.
A 'bad' IQ on the other hand likelly shows him that what he feared in fact is reality and he feels he have to do something to change that...
What his mission is though I'm afraid that only the devs know...
So, I'm making notes, writing a few parts but not putting to much effort into it just yet.
Thanks, but I really don't get that impression, perhaps it is because I pretty much identify with the country (due to DAO) and have contracted the inferiority complex most Fereldans tend to have...
Let's see...
Fereldans can claim Andraste to be one of their own. The country was founded by King Calenhad, who carries the blood of dragons. Their rebellion against the Orlesian Empire, the strongest country in Southern Thedas, succeeded. They managed to stop a full-on Blight with just two wardens (ok, three) within a year.
I don't know, Ferelden seems pretty ok to me. I'm more of a country person though, admittedly.
i think the right Lavellan/IQ make him see that the world isn't lost beacuse of one misstake. I mean he thanks the IQ he respects for showing him that there's always a way forward/always hope of a better tomorrow. So he wants to correct his misstake and try again.
A 'bad' IQ on the other hand likelly shows him that what he feared in fact is reality and he feels he have to do something to change that...
So IQ does become the new Andraste, the saviour of humanity, through love... Actually I think Solas's cards support this. No love he becomes the black beast that will consume the world, love and he becomes the hierophant strangely becalmed in an idyllic garden.
Hmmm, just reading Wikipedia a suggested synonym for Hierophant is Pontifex or bridge builder and I note there are several broken bridges throughout the game.
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Ahhh damn you! You ninja'd my gif?? Gaaahh!
ROFL Now that's skill. Great minds think alike I guess.
Think of it this way, that just means he'll obviously be around for a while until we get these answers. One reason why I don't think Flemeth is dead yet.
There's always a bright side.
i think the right Lavellan/IQ make him see that the world isn't lost beacuse of one misstake. I mean he thanks the IQ he respects for showing him that there's always a way forward/always hope of a better tomorrow. So he wants to correct his misstake and try again.
A 'bad' IQ on the other hand likelly shows him that what he feared in fact is reality and he feels he have to do something to change that...
What his mission is though I'm afraid that only the devs know...
So, I'm making notes, writing a few parts but not putting to much effort into it just yet.
Oooo, I wonder if the devs will take Solas's approval of the Inky into consideration when they meet.
I'll probably have to shelve some of my more ambitious ideas for the moment too.
Hahaha. We all suffer the collective trauma of the cliff racer.
Yes, lol
I just peed myself... I never heard that, uh, hem, ah, "song" before, no wonder someone does him in at the end...
There's always a bright side.
And in this case, it's the front side of his head as he walks into the sunset away from Lavellan 
LOL
And in this case, it's the front side of his head as he walks into the sunset away from Lavellan
LOL
AND there the bright side goes.
*sigh*
It was shiny while it lasted.
I just peed myself... I never heard that, uh, hem, ah, "song" before, no wonder someone does him in at the end...
I was laughing for a good five minutes when I heard him say this in game.
I think I've fallen in love with a song I'll keep you safe with Sleeping at last 
So much feels... *tingling down my spine*
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