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Here's an interesting codex entry:

 

"The journal, penned by an unknown writer, appears to be quite old, with many of its pages damaged by water and dust. The entries that can be read all appear to be about twenty years old:

 
We finally found Amuk alive in that passage. Still can't believe it. The only reason I didn't stop digging is because he had the key to the cache - but, after two weeks, I was expecting to find it on his corpse. What story does he come up with? That he was found by a darkspawn, polite as you please, who fed him and gave him water and evidently chatted with him about surfacers. I don't know what Amuk is thinking, coming up with a story like that, but he swore by the Stone it was all the truth. Crazy as it sounds, I know Amuk, and he's got the imagination of a dull hammer. Why would he make something like that up?
 
Reminds me of a story my grandsire used to tell, about something his grandsire did. Said he once came upon a group of three darkspawn in the Deeper Roads, each twice the size of any Dwarf - bigger than Humans, even - and dressed up like kings. He watched from the shadows and said they talked, like people, about things he couldn't understand. A city gone black, and they blamed each other for things but could barely remember for what. My Mam was like that: never remembered the slight, just that she was angry. Story goes they attacked each other, and one ran off while the second choked the third to death and then ate him.
 
Don't know about Darkspawn having talking kings, never mind polite ones that give you food and tea, but maybe Amuk met one of them. There's strange things in the Deeper Roads, after all, things the Shapers can't even recall. As if smuggling wasn't dangerous enough."

 

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I find most interesting. 

Seems our dear BW are more plotting and calculating for the future than at least I've belived them to be... 

 

 

But, assuming that one was permanently killed, we have five magisters left, counting the Architect. 

 

 

Now we're talking!

Oh, Solas! We need you back to help us again! 



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Source: http://daylijah.devi...Solas-508640470

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Ok so I've noticed people have been really asking a lot of questions about the blight, so I decided to try to find a possible explanation about the possible mechanism/spread of the blight disease.  I tried to examine it to the best of my abilities, but there are many areas that don't seem to make any sense.  Which is expected! Its magic!  But keep in mind this is just my very sad attempt at trying to make sense of a fictional disease.  I like trying to understand things that I don't understand, so that's why I do this.  This is absolutely not intended to be "canonically" correct! This is just my way of trying to decipher the mysteries of the blight.

 

If you notice any areas of my theory that are incorrect (lore wise or science wise) please point them out to me so that I can alter and re-examine this theory accordingly!  I have no problem with being wrong, being proven wrong is how progress is made!  

 

This for anyone who wants to try and understand the possible method of action regarding the blight. It may be totally 100% wrong, but at least it tries to bring some order to the chaos.

 

This is very long and very in-depth. Spoiler tags for the length and for being off-topic ish?

 

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An update

Alright I have now tried both the pjs shown here for my elf IQ and I take back what I may have said before 

This  http://firemadeflesh...t-female-only-a is the one I'm going with. 

It looks awesome. Its formal but yet she's ready for fight too should someone jump her. I love it!


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Ok so I've noticed people have been really asking a lot of questions about the blight, so I decided to try to find a possible explanation about the possible mechanism/spread of the blight disease.  I tried to examine it to the best of my abilities, but there are many areas that don't seem to make any sense.  Which is expected! Its magic!  But keep in mind this is just my very sad attempt at trying to make sense of a fictional disease.  I like trying to understand things that I don't understand, so that's why I do this.  This is absolutely not intended to be "canonically" correct! This is just my way of trying to decipher the mysteries of the blight.

 

If you notice any areas of my theory that are incorrect (lore wise or science wise) please point them out to me so that I can alter and re-examine this theory accordingly!  I have no problem with being wrong, being proven wrong is how progress is made! 

I have not read it yet, but you should put it into that wiki immediately, so it is not lost. It can be updated and evolve there. I mean, that's what the wiki is for, no? Your contributions I like, they always have some foundation, would be sad to see it lost among songs and pictures.


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I have not read it yet, but you should put it into that wiki immediately, so it is not lost. It can be updated and evolve there. I mean, that's what the wiki is for, no? Your contributions I like, they always have some foundation, would be sad to see it lost among songs and pictures.

 

Thank you! I wanted to post it here first because I'm not sure if I got my facts right and I was hoping for some constructive feedback before I posted it on the glorious wiki.  I tend to get total tunnel vision when I do these things! 



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Ok so I've noticed people have been really asking a lot of questions about the blight, so I decided to try to find a possible explanation about the possible mechanism/spread of the blight disease.  I tried to examine it to the best of my abilities, but there are many areas that don't seem to make any sense.  Which is expected! Its magic!  But keep in mind this is just my very sad attempt at trying to make sense of a fictional disease.  I like trying to understand things that I don't understand, so that's why I do this.  This is absolutely not intended to be "canonically" correct! This is just my way of trying to decipher the mysteries of the blight.

 

If you notice any areas of my theory that are incorrect (lore wise or science wise) please point them out to me so that I can alter and re-examine this theory accordingly!  I have no problem with being wrong, being proven wrong is how progress is made!  

 

This for anyone who wants to try and understand the possible method of action regarding the blight. It may be totally 100% wrong, but at least it tries to bring some order to the chaos.

 

This is very long and very in-depth. Spoiler tags for the length and for being off-topic ish?

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Ok so I've noticed people have been really asking a lot of questions about the blight, so I decided to try to find a possible explanation about the possible mechanism/spread of the blight disease.  I tried to examine it to the best of my abilities, but there are many areas that don't seem to make any sense.  Which is expected! Its magic!  But keep in mind this is just my very sad attempt at trying to make sense of a fictional disease.  I like trying to understand things that I don't understand, so that's why I do this.  This is absolutely not intended to be "canonically" correct! This is just my way of trying to decipher the mysteries of the blight.

 

If you notice any areas of my theory that are incorrect (lore wise or science wise) please point them out to me so that I can alter and re-examine this theory accordingly!  I have no problem with being wrong, being proven wrong is how progress is made!  

 

This for anyone who wants to try and understand the possible method of action regarding the blight. It may be totally 100% wrong, but at least it tries to bring some order to the chaos.

 

This is very long and very in-depth. Spoiler tags for the length and for being off-topic ish?

 

Spoiler

 

The spread of darkspawn taint through the blood ties in nicely with all the blood motifs.

The disease can progress in Grey Wardens to turn them into basically darkspawn with sentience, resistance to the Song, and more than a little crazy. (It would appear Utha just shrugs off the whole going crazy part because she's Utha. Or maybe she's signing really horrible things about the Hero of Ferelden to the Architect the whole time...) I'm curious as to how that would fit in.

Also, the Blight appears to be able to ruin lands and is so deadly that corpses don't decay because the Blight kills off the bacteria and animals that would feed on the corpses. Large portions of the Anderfels and the Western Approach are uninhabitable because of Blights hundreds of years ago. That's pretty hardcore.

The Joining=vaccination works to a point. I think to make further scientific judgments on the Blight, we need to understand more of the Song and its origin. The weird telepathic parts of it. Maybe the Blight is one huge lifeform that spreads itself by infecting people, while maintaining a separate intelligence that drives the darkspawn to unearth the Old Gods?

And the Wardens would take up part of that lifeform?

Eh...that's mildly creepy. I believe that that would tie in with Madrar's Triad theory about the Blight's origin? I think? In this case, the spread-apart entity would be Elgar'nan, yes?


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The spread of darkspawn taint through the blood ties in nicely with all the blood motifs.

The disease can progress in Grey Wardens to turn them into basically darkspawn with sentience, resistance to the Song, and more than a little crazy. (It would appear Utha just shrugs off the whole going crazy part because she's Utha. Or maybe she's signing really horrible things about the Hero of Ferelden to the Architect the whole time...) I'm curious as to how that would fit in.

Also, the Blight appears to be able to ruin lands and is so deadly that corpses don't decay because the Blight kills off the bacteria and animals that would feed on the corpses. Large portions of the Anderfels and the Western Approach are uninhabitable because of Blights hundreds of years ago. That's pretty hardcore.

The Joining=vaccination works to a point. I think to make further scientific judgments on the Blight, we need to understand more of the Song and its origin. The weird telepathic parts of it. Maybe the Blight is one huge lifeform that spreads itself by infecting people, while maintaining a separate intelligence that drives the darkspawn to unearth the Old Gods?

And the Wardens would take up part of that lifeform?

Eh...that's mildly creepy. I believe that that would tie in with Madrar's Triad theory about the Blight's origin? I think? In this case, the spread-apart entity would be Elgar'nan, yes?

 

Ah yes! The devastation of crops and animals is similar to the bubonic plague aspect of the "hybrid" theory.  If I remember correctly I believe the black plague caused a lot of land devastation, but I don't know if it was caused by the disease itself or by the chaos wrought by the dying populations.  I believe the pneumonic (or bubonic) plague can be spread to animals and humans, which is why I think it fits with the blight (how it turns bears into berzerkarn and wolves into blight wolves).  My memory on the plagues is rusty so please correct me if I misremembered anything.

 

And yes, I have absolutely no idea how I would explain the song aspect of it!  I'm afraid I don't know much about the song theory so I think I'll have to leave that up to you and madrar for now! I was also wondering how I could explain Fiona's apparent regression of the blight... I have no idea.  Any thoughts would be appreciated!

 

EDIT: The blight being one large lifeform is interesting. I'll have to put more brainpower into that, but that sounds really interesting. Let me know if you guys go into that any further & i'll see if I can add in things.

EDIT EDIT:  I need to read more carefully before I post.  I'll need to go google who Utha is, I don't remember reading anything about her.  Was she in a book?


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Thank you! I wanted to post it here first because I'm not sure if I got my facts right and I was hoping for some constructive feedback before I posted it on the glorious wiki.  I tend to get total tunnel vision when I do these things! 

 

No, please, really. Put it there. Everything. Should it really turn out rubbish it can be deleted. But I'd be hard pressed to disregard your contributions completely.

 

I had inserted the following as an edit first, but I will paste it here now. Mind you, I am not into chemistry or medicine. The closest I got to this is the brain anatomy part of cognitive psychology, so my knowledge on the brain is purely academic. All my thoughts no have no other basis than "seems reasonable to me".

 

Edit: Okay, I read over it really quickly and the following are just my first impressions, no real thinking involved.

I take all your ideas about the base diseases as a foundation (and I see no way around accepting that it is a hybrid of two, at least). What I do not know because I know too little about both diseases, is why you cannot factor in the dreams, aggressiveness, and song? The following is just non-educated babble, so stop me at any point, please:

Let's assume we have cell growth (like tumors) or cell decay (maybe caused by bacteria), both can lead to all of the above. It might not only change the body but also affect the brain. Destroy a particular part of the brain (whatever the cause, a tumor pressing on it, bacteria eating it away, hormones disturbing the transmission of whatever) and the individual will change. Aggression, distorted vision, hearing voices (or a song), dreams - all of this does happen with brain damaged patients. Maybe not all of it at the same time but given enough laboratory research I am sure you could come up with something that combines many different symptoms. We know so little about the brain and during my studies I learned many weird stories about brain-damaged patients. Like about a farmer who suddently just could not tell human faces apart anymore, they looked all the same to him, but he could tell apart the faces of his sheep, each and every one of them. And so on. (To be honest, I forgot most stories, but this one was just so fascinating.) Far as I learned back then nobody was able to determine what had happened to him or why.

On the same note, syphilis and related diseases will affect the brain is a way that might explain a few of the Blight symptoms already. Now syphilis is not the closest match, I only mention it because it came to mind quickly.

 

And drinking the blood is surely like a vaccination. You drink an altered version of it to become close to immune. Not immune, however, just the "change" comes about much more slowly than it would usually. Still, you go through the same process as those commonly tainted/infected.


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we need to understand more of the Song and its origin. The weird telepathic parts of it. Maybe the Blight is one huge lifeform that spreads itself by infecting people, while maintaining a separate intelligence that drives the darkspawn to unearth the Old Gods?

And the Wardens would take up part of that lifeform?

Maybe the song is always there. Maybe the Blight just destroys the part of the brain that prevents us from "hearing" it. That natural boundary in the brain that filters it out. I don't know if we always must go about how the song is put into a tainted one, maybe it is just that the taint removes defenses.

Like, let's say, air pollution. It is always there, all around us. But a few parts of our body filters it to an extend so that we can cope with it.

 

Again, not thought through, just a very inital thought.


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I was also wondering how I could explain Fiona's apparent regression of the blight... I have no idea.  Any thoughts would be appreciated!

I know nothing about it besides "not a Grey Warden anymore". So sticking to my theory of destroyed natural defences - what if her body simply regenerated those defences? Like healing of a wound? You cut your finger, it is destroyed and all the bad environmental influences affect you (simply put: it hurts, wind/water/dirt etc. hurts). But the body will regenerate the flesh and skin, it heals and the defence is back up. Maybe this happened to Fiona.


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No, please, really. Put it there. Everything. Should it really turn out rubbish it can be deleted. But I'd be hard pressed to disregard your contributions completely.

 

I had inserted the following as an edit first, but I will paste it here now. Mind you, I am not into chemistry or medicine. The closest I got to this is the brain anatomy part of cognitive psychology, so my knowledge on the brain is purely academic. All my thoughts no have no other basis than "seems reasonable to me".

 

Edit: Okay, I read over it really quickly and the following are just my first impressions, no real thinking involved.

I take all your ideas about the base diseases as a foundation (and I see no way around accepting that it is a hybrid of two, at least). What I do not know because I know too little about both diseases, is why you cannot factor in the dreams, aggressiveness, and song? The following is just non-educated babble, so stop me at any point, please:

Let's assume we have cell growth (like tumors) or cell decay (maybe caused by bacteria), both can lead to all of the above. It might not only change the body but also affect the brain. Destroy a particular part of the brain (whatever the cause, a tumor pressing on it, bacteria eating it away, hormones disturbing the transmission of whatever) and the individual will change. Aggression, distorted vision, hearing voices (or a song), dreams - all of this does happen with brain damaged patients. Maybe not all of it at the same time but given enough laboratory research I am sure you could come up with something that combines many different symptoms. We know so little about the brain and during my studies I learned many weird stories about brain-damaged patients. Like about a farmer who suddently just could not tell human faces apart anymore, they looked all the same to him, but he could tell apart the faces of his sheep, each and every one of them. And so on. (To be honest, I forgot most stories, but this one was just so fascinating.) Far as I learned back then nobody was able to determine what had happened to him or why.

On the same note, syphilis and related diseases will affect the brain is a way that might explain a few of the Blight symptoms already. Now syphilis is not the closest match, I only mention it because it came to mind quickly.

 

And drinking the blood is surely like a vaccination. You drink an altered version of it to become close to immune. Not immune, however, just the "change" comes about much more slowly than it would usually. Still, you go through the same process as those commonly tainted/infected.

 

This is great! Now it's my turn to direct you to the wiki.

 

Yes absolutely that sounds like it would make sense! The reason I left the dreams and behavioral changes out of my explanation is because I know nothing about how the mind works.  My knowledge of the brain is limited to very basic neurophysiology.  The brain is complicated!  But yes, I have no doubt that those could be plausible explanations- especially if the disease involves tumors, necrosis, etc. The syphilis comparison actually seems like a relatively good comparison. I don't know much about it, but from what I've heard that type of brain degradation causes a lot of cognitive problems.

 

EDIT: Yeah, I feel like because there's SO little information about how Fiona was cured it would be impossible to hypothesize causes.  I wonder if there are hints somewhere that maybe I missed.  And for the healing thing, that's kind of like how acupuncture works right?  Something along the lines of inserting a needle to a nerve that sends out a response which causes the body to react to injured/sore muscle tissues. I think. I have this weird fear of needles so I've never actually done it, but I think I read that somewhere. But yeah, that would be interesting if she was one of those rare cases.


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*places tinfoil hat firmly on her head*

 

Her original intent is lost to time (though it's very faintly hinted the Sun and Earth may have intended to prove a point to the theoretical original Maker via their own creation) but I think everything Mythal has done since the raising of the veil has been to protect and heal her literal Child, Thedas. The OGS powers she granted the Pantheon, the nudging of events throughout history, particularly in regard to red lyrium/blight... all for the Child.  

 

What this means in terms of goals: first, heal the Child's body (deal with immediate threat of red lyrium / blight) and then the Child's soul (ensure social balance and stability to eliminate factors that poison the Fade- the "darker" versions of hunger, rage, hate, fear, etc.)

 

...though if this holds true, it's really hard to wrap my head around her apparent complete lack of concern that the dwarves are mining and selling lyrium.  It seems like the twisting of their original purpose should be kind of a Big Deal.

 

Her nudging mainly seems aimed at assisting the child to heal itself, prodding along those events that in the long run might lead to stability and harmony. A stable confident, government in Ferelden, bringing the simmering conflict between the mages and the Chantry out in the open... Creating the the inquisition as a force to bring people together... As her agent Solas is assisting in this and as the inquisitor, so are you.

 

The physical equivalent would be boosting the immune system, lancing a boil and making sure the patient eats well and gets some exercise.



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Though I did get the end of the romance spoiled because some people don't use spoiler tags here. -.-

The game's been out for a few months and this is a spoiler forum so it's pretty much free fire. If you're really concerned about spoilers, you should probably finish the game before reading this forum.

 

And my Solalevellan song post-Corypheus is Running Up That Hill by Kate Bush. It's more in the feeling of the song than the lyrics. I imagine her pursuing magical research into the orbs and eluvians, but secretly hoping it leads her to find whatever Solas is looking for so that he realizes he doesn't have to do it alone.

 

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 I was also wondering how I could explain Fiona's apparent regression of the blight... I have no idea.  Any thoughts would be appreciated!

I have no medical knowledge, and I have a bit of a trouble explaining my thoughts on the matter, but...

 

Maybe if we look at the Taint as a virus? It spreads through one's body and infects the cells. But human bodies are able to produce... what are they called? Those things that "fight" against viruses. So in Fiona's case, getting rid of the Taint would be like getting rid of a virus in her body. And in Warden's case, the virus is "slowed down" because their body is better at withstanding the Taint (due to the Joining "vaccination").

 

Um, I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense. I just cannot find a better way to word it. 

 

Edit: antibodies. Thanks for giving me the right word. My English seems to be a bit rusty  :lol:


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I have no medical knowledge, and I have a bit of a trouble explaining my thoughts on the matter, but...

 

Maybe if we look at the Taint as a virus? It spreads through one's body and infects the cells. But human bodies are able to produce... what are they called? Those things that "fight" against viruses. So in Fiona's case, getting rid of the Taint would be like getting rid of a virus in her body. And in Warden's case, the virus is "slowed down" because their body is better at withstanding the Taint (due to the Joining "vaccination").

 

Um, I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense. I just cannot find a better way to word it. 

Is it antibodies?



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So, I was poking about Mythal's temple today and I want to throw this theory out there and make sure that  I did not over look anything there.

 

Okay, I was lookng for all the different god and goddess repersentation there. I found every god, but two of them. Dirthamen, and Ghilan'nain. Also, if you look at the mosaic of Mythal she is only hold 5 gods with makes sense, because there are only 7 instead of 9 in the elven pantheon. Elgar'nan and Mythal are the parents and then the remaining five andruil, Fen'harel (Solas), June (whom I believe was Feirel), Falon'din , Sylaise. Any thoughts on this?



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I have no medical knowledge, and I have a bit of a trouble explaining my thoughts on the matter, but...

 

Maybe if we look at the Taint as a virus? It spreads through one's body and infects the cells. But human bodies are able to produce... what are they called? Those things that "fight" against viruses. So in Fiona's case, getting rid of the Taint would be like getting rid of a virus in her body. And in Warden's case, the virus is "slowed down" because their body is better at withstanding the Taint (due to the Joining "vaccination").

 

Um, I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense. I just cannot find a better way to word it. 

I personally think it is related to the Calenhad bloodline (AKA Maric AKA Alistairs pop)



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Does anyone else find elven clothing really stylish?

 

I just brought myself an assymetrical cardigan the other day and I usually wear a loose T shirt and leggings in natural fibre... I am currently contemplating buying an asymmetrical waist length silk/cotton grandad shirt... For the first time in my life I feel cool and casual...


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I have no medical knowledge, and I have a bit of a trouble explaining my thoughts on the matter, but...

 

Maybe if we look at the Taint as a virus? It spreads through one's body and infects the cells. But human bodies are able to produce... what are they called? Those things that "fight" against viruses. So in Fiona's case, getting rid of the Taint would be like getting rid of a virus in her body. And in Warden's case, the virus is "slowed down" because their body is better at withstanding the Taint (due to the Joining "vaccination").

 

Um, I'm sorry if it doesn't make sense. I just cannot find a better way to word it. 

 

Yes, antibodies could definitely explain the disappearance of the disease.  The reason I tended to assume it was more than just a virus was because it causes such extensive deformation.  The changes to the bone structures were confusing me, which is why I thought about possibly cancer and bone cancer.  Maybe if it's a virus, it could just overwhelm the immune response and that's why no one is ever cured?  But that makes sense that the wardens could have a higher tolerance for the blight due their joining and that's why they don't turn symptomatic and die like average people. I wonder if perhaps other wardens have randomly been cured of blight as well & we just haven't heard about it? 



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The game's been out for a few months and this is a spoiler forum so it's pretty much free fire. If you're really concerned about spoilers, you should probably finish the game before reading this forum.

The ending of the game itself isn't what I'm talking about. I've finished the game twice already. I'm talking about the ending of the romance itself.



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Does anyone else find elven clothing really stylish?

 

I just brought myself an assymetrical cardigan the other day and I usually wear a loose T shirt and leggings in natural fibre... I am currently contemplating buying an asymmetrical waist length silk/cotton grandad shirt... For the first time in my life I feel cool and casual...

 

I simply love elven clothing and armors. So yes, I do. 

Tunic and leggings/pants are the bases of fashion, I think. It's been around since... well, forever. At least it seems that way. 

 

 

The ending of the game itself isn't what I'm talking about. I've finished the game twice already. I'm talking about the ending of the romance itself.

 

Same thing, my dear. (ush, now I sound like Viv saying that)

I haven't even set a foot in the Cullen tread, beacuse I haven't finished that romance yet. And then I've been a huge Cullen fangirl since DAO.

I just don't want to spoil it for me before I've had the chance to experience it first hand. 

So if you don't want to know, keep away from forums.  ;)



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Ah yes! The devastation of crops and animals is similar to the bubonic plague aspect of the "hybrid" theory.  If I remember correctly I believe the black plague caused a lot of land devastation, but I don't know if it was caused by the disease itself or by the chaos wrought by the dying populations.  I believe the pneumonic (or bubonic) plague can be spread to animals and humans, which is why I think it fits with the blight (how it turns bears into berzerkarn and wolves into blight wolves).  My memory on the plagues is rusty so please correct me if I misremembered anything.

 

And yes, I have absolutely no idea how I would explain the song aspect of it!  I'm afraid I don't know much about the song theory so I think I'll have to leave that up to you and madrar for now! I was also wondering how I could explain Fiona's apparent regression of the blight... I have no idea.  Any thoughts would be appreciated!

 

EDIT: The blight being one large lifeform is interesting. I'll have to put more brainpower into that, but that sounds really interesting. Let me know if you guys go into that any further & i'll see if I can add in things.

EDIT EDIT:  I need to read more carefully before I post.  I'll need to go google who Utha is, I don't remember reading anything about her.  Was she in a book?

:) The most famous outbreak of plague, the Black Death, actually caused enormous amounts of farmland and villages to be reclaimed by natural forestation. It wasn't unknown for the plague to sweep through a village and wipe it clean, or for the handful of survivors to flee to a nearby city for shelter. Despite the usual wars, Europe looked to be entering a Golden Age during the High Middle Ages when the Black Death struck. Most of the available farmland was already being cultivated and there had been a population boom. The majority of the population were serfs, and not treated well either.

The Black Death killed most of the farmers, which led to a high demand for labor, which meant that the farmers were paid more for doing less back-breaking labor. Over the course of the plague, however, much of the farmland was lost. Forests grew over villages full of boil-covered corpses, which fit in with the trend in European art to be nihilistic and more than a little creepy. So, ironically, like Genghis Khan's armies, the plague was pro-environment. So the land-destroying disease part doesn't fit in yet, but the social impact could.

The Black Death hit Asia and the Middle East as well. The plague seems to follow the old trade route between East and West, and the plagues are likely native to Central Asia, like the Gobi desert. Some theorize it's present in Europe as well, and has sprung up before. But, starting with Justinian's Plague in the sixth century, in European history it seems to start in the Black Sea and move its way through the naval trade routes. I just don't focus on the East because I'm only starting to study and appreciate its history, as opposed to that of the West which I was practically weaned on.

There's a funny story that some Italian merchants from Genoa managed to upset the Mongol Khan in the Crimea enough that he laid siege to their trading post. When the Mongols started dropping dead from the plague, the ever practical Khan started launching them into the city. The disease spread into the ships before they fled back to Italy. A similar story is told about the Mongols marching on Baghdad. The Black Death is still being debated. I understand there's some controversy about which specific disease. I know that bubonic was the less-lethal version. The lethal version was the type that wiped out villages but died out, because, well, everyone died too quickly to spread it.

Minor tangent here.

Genghis Khan and his soldiers killed a lot of people.

A. Lot.

I've seen estimates where, adjusted for per capita of people alive before they got started, Genghis was responsible for more deaths relatively speaking than World War II. Even if you don't, it's way too goddamn close to have been achieved without aircraft, bombs, machine guns, or the Dovahkiin.

After the Khwarezmians rejected his overtures of peace and trade, the Mongols hit Kwarezm like the scourge of god. Most people have never heard of Kwarezm for this very reason.

There are regions in Iran and Uzbekistan that recovered population wise from the Mongol invasion in the early 1900's.

From a war in the 13th century.

This led to an explosion in livestock and prey animal population, it see-sawed back and forth, but eventually forests started to grow over the former farmland. In addition to being one of the most brilliant war-leaders to ever walk the earth, Genghis managed to do a lot for the environment. So there's that.

Likewise, Europe took many centuries to recover its pre-Black Death population. In part, because plague kept breaking out, and there were some gruesome wars, and people started using mercenaries, and then the religious schism, and the whole mess that was the Thirty Years War and the climate was worsening. Europe 1300-1820 is the stuff of nightmares. (Then again, so are most places most of the time.)

So what happens if we combine those two paradigm shifting, mass turmoil inducing events, but remove the forestation and replace it with the permanent devastation of incredibly valuable farmable land?

We get a Theodosian style Blight.

It goes a long way into explaining the crappy situation Thedas finds itself in all the time, and the lack of technological growth, and the constant warring with one another, and the religious fatalism. Certainly explains Zevran's lewd references to flagellation.


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Yes, antibodies could definitely explain the disappearance of the disease.  The reason I tended to assume it was more than just a virus was because it causes such extensive deformation.  The changes to the bone structures were confusing me, which is why I thought about possibly cancer and bone cancer.  Maybe if it's a virus, it could just overwhelm the immune response and that's why no one is ever cured?  But that makes sense that the wardens could have a higher tolerance for the blight due their joining and that's why they don't turn symptomatic and die like average people. I wonder if perhaps other wardens have randomly been cured of blight as well & we just haven't heard about it? 

I don't know enough about how a virus works and what it is capable of. I tend to think that there are two aspects involved, maybe like a virus being the carrier or something. I do not know if a virus is able to, e.g., trigger another disease that then causes all the deformations of body and brain. But possibly the Blight is a parasite that attaches itself to a virus (like taints the virus) and uses that virus as a simple means to spread? But I just don't see a virus to be capable enough to cause all the symptoms of the Blight.

 

I fancy the idea of severe brain damage (due to growth/decay) opening up some way (my defence/barrier theory from before) for the individual to hear "the song". I just think that natural filters in the brain are a very basic defence mechanism, but they can be easily destroyed by a capable disease. This would mean that any creature is vulnerable to the song if its filters/defences are lowered/destroyed. It would also allow for different stages of the taint. If the filters are damaged a little, you might get a bit more aggressive, hear a bit of the song, but with further decay it just goes downhill. The slight difference between Warden and Darkspawn, and the constant decay of Wardens. But it could also allow for more, like some races or creatures being more vulnerable to the Blight than others.

 

Sure, same thing could be true if the song is not always there (and just blocked for "healthy" being), but if the taint implements something in the brain to distribute the song. I just think it is easier to destroy a part of the brain than to set up a bridge, i.e., to grow tissue thanks to an infection. Or do we know of infections that cause cell growth? If so, it could also be the taint triggers growth of brain tissue (or whatever, many possibilities) that adds new abilities like hearing the song.

 

What I do not like in general about the taint being a parasite is that a parasite does not usually have any interest in the death of its host. Usually it will try to keep it alive so itself will go on existing. The Blight, however, does not but instead kills everything. Why? What's its purpose? How does it survive if it kills its hosts? There is something missing, some information about how it endures and how the death of the hosts figures in to all of it.


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I don't know enough about how a virus works and what it is capable of. I tend to think that there are two aspects involved, maybe like a virus being the carrier or something. I do not know if a virus is able to, e.g., trigger another disease that then causes all the deformations of body and brain. But possibly the Blight is a parasite that attaches itself to a virus (like taints the virus) and uses that virus as a simple means to spread? But I just don't see a virus to be capable enough to cause all the symptoms of the Blight.

 

I fancy the idea of severe brain damage (due to growth/decay) opening up some way (my defence/barrier theory from before) for the individual to hear "the song". I just think that natural filters in the brain are a very basic defence mechanism, but they can be easily destroyed by a capable disease. This would mean that any creature is vulnerable to the song if its filters/defences are lowered/destroyed. It would also allow for different stages of the taint. If the filters are damaged a little, you might get a bit more aggressive, hear a bit of the song, but with further decay it just goes downhill. The slight difference between Warden and Darkspawn, and the constant decay of Wardens. But it could also allow for more, like some races or creatures being more vulnerable to the Blight than others.

 

Sure, same thing could be true if the song is not always there (and just blocked for "healthy" being), but if the taint implements something in the brain to distribute the song. I just think it is easier to destroy a part of the brain than to set up a bridge, i.e., to grow tissue thanks to an infection. Or do we know of infections that cause cell growth? If so, it could also be the taint triggers growth of brain tissue (or whatever, many possibilities) that adds new abilities like hearing the song.

 

What I do not like in general about the taint being a parasite is that a parasite does not usually have any interest in the death of its host. Usually it will try to keep it alive so itself will go on existing. The Blight, however, does not but instead kills everything. Why? What's its purpose? How does it survive if it kills its hosts? There is something missing, some information about how it endures and how the death of the hosts figures in to all of it.

I like the idea of the Blights being a weapon aimed at a prison door.

I could almost see the Old Gods doing it. Back in the Origins days. Now I'm not so sure.

If the Old Gods are the Pillars of the Earth, and destroying them all causes something bad to happen, (Like a prison being unsealed), I can see someone using the Blight as a means of destroying the Old Gods and wreaking havoc against the dwarves and surface-dwellers.

The 'Writings in Red Lyrium' almost makes me think that the elven gods are just now waking up, and Falon'din is scheming, and the rest are just stuck in their prisons going, "Fennie, WHAT THE **** DID YOU DO? I SPENT SO LONG MAKING MY TEMPLE JUST THE WAY I LIKE IT!"


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