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[Avejajed]

I was spoiled by the Solas ending, as I was playing my first run through with Cullen.

I was already grouchy as a Trev I couldn't flirt with Solas, but once I heard I was all over that heartbreak. Cant stop won't stop.

[Addai]

It does seem to be going that route, doesn't it?
Sera is probably what will happen.
The Dalish will die a relatively quick, proud death. They'll die by starvation, abominations, Templars, mobs. They're already scattered across Thedas. They've already grown apart.
The City elves will suffer pogrom after pogrom, with more and more bits of elvishness stripped away. Human lords probably destroying the vhenadahl in reprisal for rioting or just killing the Vaughans of the world.
They'll just keep pushing the elves until they conform and act as human as possible. Then, slowly, the elves will stop caring about all the abuse they've suffered. Then they'll be bred out.
Strange as it may sound, but by far the creepiest Codex entries for me where the ones about the Exalted March on the Dales. The smugness that the Chantry wrote about tearing down the shrines on the river and singing the Chant there instead. 'Freeing' the elves from their heathen gods. As horrible as the treatment of the elves has been in DA games, it doesn't disturb me anywhere near as much as that. The feeling of righteousness at destroying the People's last refuge and rejecting their religion and culture as 'misguided demon worship'. They'd have done something similar to the Qunari, or vice versa, but those were two great powers fighting each other. As hard a fight as the Dales gave, it was them against the world.
Like you say, I imagine Solas has envisioned the downfall of the Elvhen. He's probably been observing the fall for centuries in slow motion. And he probably has a plan in place to stop it.
I'd recommend a new homeland.
On an island.
Guarded by dragons.
And the Hero of Ferelden and Commander Shepard, both riding griffons.
That might stop the Exalted March in its tracks.
...Oh my gosh. This game has made me go from, "Well, the Dalish and the Chantry hardliners are kind of pricks," to "The Dalish may be pricks, but they're mini-Snapes/Morgans, everyone. They're trying, dammit!" 

I'm not sure I'm that pessimistic, but yeah. And then you have the chuckleheads on this board who trumpet Red Crossing as proof that the humans were in the right, ignoring the context of Drakon's conquests and the other codex that says Orlais was intent on getting that land back all along.

As much as it would be better to have some kind of equitable living-together scenario, I think the idea of a pocket realm where they can rebuild strength might be the only viable course for elven survival. The "boon" scenario didn't work out in Ferelden any better than it did in the Dales. The dwarves don't seem as bothered by human incursions but that's because they're already isolated and they get more economic opportunities in human cities.

[Little Mama]

I was spoiled by the Solas ending, as I was playing my first run through with Cullen.

I was already grouchy as a Trev I couldn't flirt with Solas, but once I heard I was all over that heartbreak. Cant stop won't stop.

 

 

Everything will be ok. 

[LliiraAnna]

I'm finished with the dwarven codex entries. Not many of them, so it was pretty quick 

 

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

[Jaison1986]

I'm not sure I'm that pessimistic, but yeah. And then you have the chuckleheads on this board who trumpet Red Crossing as proof that the humans were in the right, ignoring the context of Drakon's conquests and the other codex that says Orlais was intent on getting that land back all along.

As much as it would be better to have some kind of equitable living-together scenario, I think the idea of a pocket realm where they can rebuild strength might be the only viable course for elven survival. The "boon" scenario didn't work out in Ferelden any better than it did in the Dales. The dwarves don't seem as bothered by human incursions but that's because they're already isolated and they get more economic opportunities in human cities.

 

I'm not sure if that would work as well, I mean, the Dales was proof that humans are not very torelable to an elven state. Not to mention that elves became somewhat of an core working force for the humans. Who would replace their laborers if the elves suddenly walked away? I don't think that would happen, not without an bloody civil war at least.

[Addai]

I'm not sure if that would work as well, I mean, the Dales was proof that humans are not very torelable to an elven state. Not to mention that elves became somewhat of an core working force for the humans. Who would replace their laborers if the elves suddenly walked away? I don't think that would happen, not without an bloody civil war at least.

I'm talking about a realm like the Crossroads, as opposed to a "boon" type setup on the fringes of human lands. That apparently doesn't work in Andrastian societies. As for servants walking out, I doubt all elves would opt for that kind of solution, but even so- who cares. The humans can discover economic parity.

[Ajna]

I'm talking about a realm like the Crossroads, as opposed to a "boon" type setup on the fringes of human lands. That apparently doesn't work in Andrastian societies. As for servants walking out, I doubt all elves would opt for that kind of solution, but even so- who cares. The humans can discover economic parity.

 

Elves need to just take their ball and go home. I like this idea very much.

[Caddius]

I'm not sure I'm that pessimistic, but yeah. And then you have the chuckleheads on this board who trumpet Red Crossing as proof that the humans were in the right, ignoring the context of Drakon's conquests and the other codex that says Orlais was intent on getting that land back all along.

As much as it would be better to have some kind of equitable living-together scenario, I think the idea of a pocket realm where they can rebuild strength might be the only viable course for elven survival. The "boon" scenario didn't work out in Ferelden any better than it did in the Dales. The dwarves don't seem as bothered by human incursions but that's because they're already isolated and they get more economic opportunities in human cities.

Reclaim Gundaar for the elves and don't tell the dwarves, maybe?

But yeah, the elf situation is pretty grim. It makes sense why so many turned to the Qun or to banditry.

I guess Solas has read/played The Witcher and doesn't want his People going all Scoia'tel.

The dwarves have managed to leverage the lyrium and rune trade into a prestigious position within the Imperium. They don't attempt to absorb dwarf culture into their own because they're just lovely the way they are. (Plus the Tevinter+dwarf comedy duo routine is gold.) What could elves offer that could provide similar protection?

...Okay. Maybe they should put the Sea of Ash between them and humanity and use the Eluvians to get there.

Or some place like the Crossroads. That could work.

While I don't think he's aiming for it, it would be kind of amazing to see the full elven pantheon unleashed upon Thedas as retribution for the Elvhen. Ancient bald elves charging out of every forest telling humanity to get off Arlathan's lawn.

[LobselVith8]

I'm talking about a realm like the Crossroads, as opposed to a "boon" type setup on the fringes of human lands. That apparently doesn't work in Andrastian societies. As for servants walking out, I doubt all elves would opt for that kind of solution, but even so- who cares. The humans can discover economic parity.

That might be viable, since Morrigan, a romanced Warden, and their son lived in a "different world" for some time, which would suggest that it's possible for the Dalish clans to survive in such an environment.

Given how the Inquisitor has an Eluvian and potential access to knowledge from the Well of Sorrows, this is theoretically possible. I rather like the idea.

[Janic99]

Elves need to just take their ball and go home. I like this idea very much.

OMG YOUR AVATAR MADE MY DAY WTF XD stalker solas!

[Colonelkillabee]

does anyone know WHEN Hawke and co find Cornflakes?  in the official DA timeline? I think it's sometime in the third act... but I'm not sure

 

 and My sister has told me of an interesting theory that hinges on this question. 

She thinks that at some point Fen'Harel manged to pocess either Larius or Janika [ depending on choices] and somehow manged to find Bianca and help her with the red lyrim. and give Cornflakes the Foci.. but due to the taint, and his weakend state [ haveing just awoken] had to leave the body and ether form the identity or pocess the body of Solas...

 

while I like this theroy, It all depends on the WHEN legacy acctully happend...so .. hence my question

Ahahaha, yes... it's spreading... soon ALL will know the name of the Elder One! He who saw the kitchen of the gods! BEG that I succeed, for I saw the cereal bowl of the gods... and it was EMPTY!

[Addai]

That might be viable, since Morrigan, a romanced Warden, and their son lived in a "different world" for some time, which would suggest that it's possible for the Dalish clans to survive in such an environment.

Given how the Inquisitor has an Eluvian and potential access to knowledge from the Well of Sorrows, this is theoretically possible. I rather like the idea.

Especially since according to TME, elves are rejuvenated in that place whereas humans get a permanent migraine just from being there. I'm all for giving your potential enemies migraines before battle.

Edit: Which does make me wonder what Morrigan's trick is. I think she and Flemeth may have elven blood because of the golden eyes, but that didn't help Michel.

[Mims]

Could be that Morrigan is already under some sort of 'protected of Mythal' spell. Seems like something she'd do when she was little in case it would be needed. 

[LobselVith8]

It does seem to be going that route, doesn't it?
Sera is probably what will happen.
The Dalish will die a relatively quick, proud death. They'll die by starvation, abominations, Templars, mobs. They're already scattered across Thedas. They've already grown apart.

Yeah, I don't have a good feeling that there's a good future for the Dalish.

It's disappointing because I rather enjoy their culture and perspective on magic. I'm also not a fan of Andrastian human culture, and that seems to be the focus for the developers.

The City elves will suffer pogrom after pogrom, with more and more bits of elvishness stripped away. Human lords probably destroying the vhenadahl in reprisal for rioting or just killing the Vaughans of the world.

The city elves don't seem to fare much better. I can only hope Briala offers the Orlesian elves a better future than the one her human predecessors did.

They'll just keep pushing the elves until they conform and act as human as possible. Then, slowly, the elves will stop caring about all the abuse they've suffered. Then they'll be bred out.
Strange as it may sound, but by far the creepiest Codex entries for me where the ones about the Exalted March on the Dales. The smugness that the Chantry wrote about tearing down the shrines on the river and singing the Chant there instead. 'Freeing' the elves from their heathen gods. As horrible as the treatment of the elves has been in DA games, it doesn't disturb me anywhere near as much as that. The feeling of righteousness at destroying the People's last refuge and rejecting their religion and culture as 'misguided demon worship'.

I think that's part of why Cassandra's comment to Lavellan about the Maker bothers me so much. The Dalish have suffered so much because they refuse to surrender their religious beliefs to the Chantry.

They'd have done something similar to the Qunari, or vice versa, but those were two great powers fighting each other. As hard a fight as the Dales gave, it was them against the world.
Like you say, I imagine Solas has envisioned the downfall of the Elvhen. He's probably been observing the fall for centuries in slow motion. And he probably has a plan in place to stop it.

I can only hope Solas does.

I'd recommend a new homeland.
On an island.
Guarded by dragons.
And the Hero of Ferelden and Commander Shepard, both riding griffons.
That might stop the Exalted March in its tracks.
...Oh my gosh. This game has made me go from, "Well, the Dalish and the Chantry hardliners are kind of pricks," to "The Dalish may be pricks, but they're mini-Snapes/Morgans, everyone. They're trying, dammit!"

I might opt for Addai's "different world via Crossroads" solution for my own headcanon for the Dalish. Revas (and Merrill) leading the clans to a safe sanctuary where they can build and grow is my ideal ending.

[Caddius]

Could be that Morrigan is already under some sort of 'protected of Mythal' spell. Seems like something she'd do when she was little in case it would be needed. 

So in The Masked Empire, the place appears...healthier, I guess? To elves.

Yet the Crossroads in Inquisition don't seem to change by race. But there isn't mention of migraines.

And yet when Solas and Flemeth are (by Lady Insanity's fly-cam investigation) chatting by the Eluvian in the Crossroads, the mist is gone and the place is bright. It's interesting. And pretty.

I'm with the party that's guessing the blue light Flemeth sends through the Eluvian is her sending her god essence, whatever that is, to Morrigan, and saving her power for Solas. She probably figured it would ruin the drama if she shushed Solas before he took her power.

"I got kids to deify. Be back in a jiffy."

"But-"

"I waited a thousand years for your sorry-ass to wake up. You can hold on a moment for an old woman."

"*grumblegrumble*"

"I could give this to Sera, you know."

"...Fine. Whatever. I don't care. *sassy-egghead-flip*"

[LobselVith8]

Especially since according to TME, elves are rejuvenated in that place whereas humans get a permanent migraine just from being there. I'm all for giving your potential enemies migraines before battle.

Edit: Which does make me wonder what Morrigan's trick is. I think she and Flemeth may have elven blood because of the golden eyes, but that didn't help Michel.

Perhaps it's tied to Asha'bellanar's divinity as Mythal? That could mean that Morrigan and her are "elven-blooded", so to speak.

On that note, if Morrigan didn't accept her "gift", I wonder if she would pass her divinity to Lavellan.

Also, my apologies everyone for the lack of a Solas picture up top. I'm at the office and on my phone (finishing breakfast).

[Colonelkillabee]

Elves need to just take their ball and go home. I like this idea very much.

I'd honestly be rather disappointed if the elves ran away and let the humans win like that. I guess it wouldn't be for good though. Give them somewhere safe to build a life of their own unbothered.

[Sah291]

Yes, antibodies could definitely explain the disappearance of the disease.  The reason I tended to assume it was more than just a virus was because it causes such extensive deformation.  The changes to the bone structures were confusing me, which is why I thought about possibly cancer and bone cancer.  Maybe if it's a virus, it could just overwhelm the immune response and that's why no one is ever cured?  But that makes sense that the wardens could have a higher tolerance for the blight due their joining and that's why they don't turn symptomatic and die like average people. I wonder if perhaps other wardens have randomly been cured of blight as well & we just haven't heard about it? 

 

I like your theory about the blight being a hybrid pathogen/cancer. Since Origins I had thought the blight was supposed to be a plague of some sort. But the red lyrium adds another dimension. It does behave like a cancer, which had been contained up until recently, but is now rapidly spreading. In real life there are bacteria/viruses known to cause cancer.

 

The thing that is disturbing is how Solas claims the blight isn't natural. Which points to the idea what it may have been created for some nefarious purpose. An ancient biological weapon that was buried deep underground, perhaps. My thoughts are, given Mythal's status as an Earth/Nature themed goddess, I'm guessing this what Mythal/Flemeth seeks revenge for (possibly what she meant by "as the world was betrayed"), and part of whatever her ultimate plan/goal was. 

[Rabbitonfire]

Hmm... so if you goto the crossroads as an elf inquisitor, it'll appear grassy?

 

If there were a dlc that featured the crossroads, how would the inquisitors of other race see as the elves see?

[Mims]

I don't think Mythal would pass her power to a non-daughter. I get the sense that she's been deliberately grooming Morrigan in particular to be her successor. Right down to the pedigree. The real question then is-

 

- Does she select Morrigan because Morrigan is born around the time Fen'Harel will wake up?

- Does she select Morrigan as her chosen successor, and then set into motion events that will awaken Fen'Harel?

- Or is it completely fate that Fen'Harel wakes up at the same time that Flemeth/Mythal's favorite daughter has emerged? 

[Caddius]

I don't think Mythal would pass her power to a non-daughter. I get the sense that she's been deliberately grooming Morrigan in particular to be her successor. Right down to the pedigree. The real question then is-

 

- Does she select Morrigan because Morrigan is born around the time Fen'Harel will wake up?

- Does she select Morrigan as her chosen successor, and then set into motion events that will awaken Fen'Harel?

- Or is it completely fate that Fen'Harel wakes up at the same time that Flemeth/Mythal's favorite daughter has emerged? 

I'd say the first one, just for the possible allusions to Mythal in the Saga of Tyrrda Bright-Axe, and the prophesized rise of Morrighan'nan. (Unless that was supposed to be the Morrigan in the Luthias Dwarfson tale, which would also make sense. Fooh.)

I really want to know the circumstances of Solas waking up. And him being in uthenera.

Regarding Colonelkillabee's comment:

You say 'run away and let the humans win', I say 'Let the humans do their own cleaning and rioting while the elves rebuild and prepare to take back the Dales and Arlathan permanently'.    Or maybe even grab some real estate that isn't a haunted jungle or lacking in rivers and the like. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Regarding Colonelkillabee's comment:
You say 'run away and let the humans win', I say 'Let the humans do their own cleaning and rioting while the elves rebuild and prepare to take back the Dales and Arlathan permanently'.    Or maybe even grab some real estate that isn't a haunted jungle or lacking in rivers and the like. 

Screw that, build their numbers, come back and take Orlais. Burn it to the ****** ground.

[MoonDrummer]

I'd honestly be rather disappointed if the elves ran away and let the humans win like that. I guess it wouldn't be for good though. Give them somewhere safe to build a life of their own unbothered.

I could imagine having a floating city above Val Royeaux and an elf version  of the 'french taunter' scene from the holy grail taking place.

[Oswin]

I refuse to click on that youtube video because I now have an image of a Lavellan running around to the tune of Haddaway's "What is Love?", with Iron Bull, Dorian, and Varric all cocking their heads to the beat.

 

It's marvelous.

 

DAMN IT. It takes so little for that song to get stuck in my head.

Yup.

There it is.

 

I asked this question on Tumblr, and I'll ask it one here too. I see people complaining about the PJs the Inquisitor wears at Skyhold. Am I the only one who doesn't mind them? I mean, when I'm hanging out at home, I basically live in a onesie. Who wouldn't wanna hop in some PJs after wearing armor and weapons all day?

 

On my humans, don't mind them at all. My Fem Elf also doesn't look too bad. But my male elf? It gave him boobs. He looked so bad. It also doesn't look right on Qunari or Dwarfs. A bit like they're just going to hulk out of them at any moment.

 

 

You know, I had been thinking, I'm the only one that could see an scene like this happening in future sequels if we choose to oppose Solas in whatever he plans?

 

*snip*

 

Solas makes an final stand against you, and if he was your friend our your lover, the Inquisitor just falls to their knees, looks at their dead friend, and then breaks down and cries. You won... but at what cost?

 

Half as long, twice as bright.

Bromances will always be my ultimate weakness. I'm never totally broken up about romances being destroyed, but if you take away my bros. Unforgivable. 

I rolled as Evil Cole in my first InFamous 2 run. I'd had fun being an ass in the first game. Then we get to that moment and it was just crushing.

I won't go through that again.

nope.

Nope.

NOPE.

[Colonelkillabee]

I could imagine having a floating city above Val Royeaux and an elf version  of the 'french taunter' scene from the holy grail taking place.

LOLOL and knowing Orlesians, claiming any of them smelled of elder berries when they know for CERTAIN that their fathers used only the MOST EXQUISITE of incense would drive them mad.