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[Mims]

I just dislike the color of the default outfit. I haven't seen a single character that it looks good on. There's no break up in color. Its beige, all the way down to the boots. 

[Rabbitonfire]

I just dislike the color of the default outfit. I haven't seen a single character that it looks good on. There's no break up in color. Its beige, all the way down to the boots. 

yeah, why can't we have patterns?

 

All armour is built up with your default clothing as a base. Same with companions. How come out when crafting armour you can change the base's fabric such as silk or fade touched fabric but you're still wearing beign in skyhold.

[Siha]

topic: wiki

 

Okay, I screwed the wiki design, sort of. If you don't like it, it can easily be reset by going back to the previous theme.

I tried to change the link color (to green) but it refuses. Should anyone know where the variable $WikiLinkColor is defined (because I assume there is some superior-to-everything, as all my manual attempts don't work), please tell me.

Or tell me what changes you would prefer.

 

I kept the grey "logo" for now, but I don't really like it there/that way.

 

But I must go for a bit, so please either make changes youself or send me a message.

[Felya87]

I find the Skyhold PJ quite abberrant.

Not only is so bland in color that it seem that it have no texture, but is very out of character for every race outside humans. Why would my Elven rogue wear that uncomfortable thing (I can't see any pratical character wanting to deal with all those buttons! as is too skin-tight to be something you can remove like a shirt) that have written on "human design" all over? I'd even prefer something like the clothes of the elven servant that wake you up at Haven post prologue. Something more comfortable and more "elven". And not monochrome.

 

And on male elves it emphasize even more the arms bug and the two feet from anorexia body type (not that is not a problem with females too...the arms are noodles, but at least aren't convex...).

I am very disappointed about the male elves body model. I was expecting them to have the same as Solas, instead they seem children...

[Colonelkillabee]

I think I'm one of the few people who actually really like that outfit:

 

 

But then, it honestly looks a lot better on humans.

[Rabbitonfire]

I find the Skyhold PJ quite abberrant.

Not only is so bland in color that it seem that it have no texture, but is very out of character for every race outside humans. Why would my Elven rogue wear that uncomfortable thing (I can't see any pratical character wanting to deal with all those buttons! as is too skin-tight to be something you can remove like a shirt) that have written on "human design" all over? I'd even prefer something like the clothes of the elven servant that wake you up at Haven post prologue. Something more comfortable and more "elven". And not monochrome.

 

And on male elves it emphasize even more the arms bug and the two feet from anorexia body type (not that is not a problem with females too...the arms are noodles, but at least aren't convex...).

I am very disappointed about the male elves body model. I was expecting them to have the same as Solas, instead they seem children...

Hey, you can't hold your shemlen standards on elves! That's racist!

 

Maybe elves are what a healthy lean body should be and everyone else is just fat.

[Little Mama]

I don't think Mythal would pass her power to a non-daughter. I get the sense that she's been deliberately grooming Morrigan in particular to be her successor. Right down to the pedigree. The real question then is-

 

- Does she select Morrigan because Morrigan is born around the time Fen'Harel will wake up?

- Does she select Morrigan as her chosen successor, and then set into motion events that will awaken Fen'Harel?

- Or is it completely fate that Fen'Harel wakes up at the same time that Flemeth/Mythal's favorite daughter has emerged? 

 

Those are the questions  

Who has the answers? Not I.

All I think i know is that Flemeth has had all this in years of planning, lining up the pieces of the board _{(and through her BW)}. 

 

I just fill in with more questions instead of answers. 

 

- Is Morrigan Flemeth's biological child, or someone she's 'adopted'/raised?

- Is Solas/Fen'Harel somehow related to Flemeth? I half expected him to say 'mother' or she 'son' instead of old friend.

- Is Flemeth really Andraste?

 

and so on... The questions are piling up 

[Moondreamer01]

 

Ok so I've noticed people have been really asking a lot of questions about the blight, so I decided to try to find a possible explanation about the possible mechanism/spread of the blight disease.  I tried to examine it to the best of my abilities, but there are many areas that don't seem to make any sense.  Which is expected! Its magic!  But keep in mind this is just my very sad attempt at trying to make sense of a fictional disease.  I like trying to understand things that I don't understand, so that's why I do this.  This is absolutely not intended to be "canonically" correct! This is just my way of trying to decipher the mysteries of the blight.

 

If you notice any areas of my theory that are incorrect (lore wise or science wise) please point them out to me so that I can alter and re-examine this theory accordingly!  I have no problem with being wrong, being proven wrong is how progress is made!  

 

This for anyone who wants to try and understand the possible method of action regarding the blight. It may be totally 100% wrong, but at least it tries to bring some order to the chaos.

 

This is very long and very in-depth. Spoiler tags for the length and for being off-topic ish?

 

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An Attempt to Analyze the Blight

 

Obviously the blight is a fictional disease and therefore we cannot expect a plausible explanation for its symptoms or mechanism of action.  However, given that so little is known about the disease itself, I will attempt to find possible explanations regarding the how’s, what’s, and why’s of the blight using the similarities between the symptoms of the blight and symptoms of diseases that exist in our world. Because oh boy are there similarities.  

 

I believe the blight to be a “hybrid" of two main diseases, rather than just one.  An actual disease that directly resembles the blight itself does not exist (obviously!)…(well… that we know of, at least)- but many aspects of the blight are similar to different diseases that are currently observed in nature.

 

The blight appears to resemble both cancer and the bubonic plague.  Now hear me out: I draw the comparison to cancer because there are similarities between the mechanism of cancer and the mechanism of the blight.  For example: a blighted individual in DA shows pretty consistent symptoms: black veins, growths, disfiguration, aggressiveness, and hair loss.  Now I know you’re thinking “tumors don’t cause all that!” and you’re absolutely right, but listen-

 

I assume the blight is spread through the body through the blood stream,  because whenever a blighted person is shown, the severity of the progression of the blight is usually represented by black looking veins protruding from their skin.  Let me explain where I’m going with this- let’s say the the blight disease causes cells to turn tumorigenic and start growing in random areas of the body.  Tumors are masses of cells that are caused by the cells continually reproducing.  These masses need a blood supply, and as they grow they outgrow the blood and oxygen supply in that area.  That specific area becomes hypoxic (oxygen deprived) and the bodies response is to form new blood vessels to the area- forming a cycle.  If these small growths block respiratory paths, it could also decrease oxygen flow.  Blood that is extremely low on oxygen turns extremely dark in color, almost appearing black.  Another symptom of hypoxic conditions is vasodilation (dilation of the blood veins), which could explain why there are many visible blood veins that appear large and dark colored in a blighted person. Granted, this comparison is exaggerated- in actuality, hypoxic/hypoxemic blood veins do not become visible as far as I know, but the biological comparison is still remarkably similar enough to warrant it being mentioned.  (EDIT: For clarification, I assume the tumor metastasis in this scenario works via the bloodstream when small cell clusters of the tumor break off of the parent tumor and enter the blood stream, which then travel to different areas of the body & form new masses)

 

If these ’tumors’ then proceed to super-metastasize and travel rapidly throughout the body, each of these symptoms can (somewhat) theoretically be caused by different kinds of tumors.  The growths observed on blighted individuals can be large forming tumors in areas close to the surface of the skin, and the disfiguration could be caused by large bone tumors. Aggressiveness and hallucinations can be caused by certain tumors in the brain, and hair loss can be caused by certain tumors that cause a deficit in some hormones.  The rapid growth of any tumor can cause tissue necrosis around the parts of the tumor no longer getting blood/oxygen supplied to it.  This necrotic tissue could explain the blackened/decomposing appearance on the skin of the blighted individuals. Now I realize I’m kind of using “tumor magic” as a catch all for these symptoms, but I’m trying ok? Finding a working explanation for a disease that has literally 0 information about its method of action is harder than it seems.

 

But cancerous like symptoms alone do not fit the blight- it also has aspects of a viral/bacterial type of disease- which brings me to the second disease: the bubonic plague.  Yes, yes, it’s an obvious comparison given the name and nature of the blight, but the mechanisms of the diseases do not actually appear to be that similar.  The reason I believe it has to be a “hybrid” like disease of these two conditions is because cancer is not contagious, whereas the blight is.  The bubonic plague causes lesions (which could also explain the growths on blighted individuals) and some tissue necrosis usually around areas like the fingers and toes.  Advanced bubonic plague(pneumonic?) could also be spread from person to person, which is more like how the blight appears to spread.  Additionally, the bacteria that causes bubonic plague kills macrophages!  Macrophages are used to kill small cancerous cell growths in the early stages. So by killing off the macrophages, it is simultaneously helping the tumors grow without being broken up by the natural immune responses.  Which could explain how the blight tumors spread so rapidly through the body of an infected person. 

 

As a side note, I feel like I’m obligated to mention the Grey Warden joining ritual.  To be honest I am really confused how this could work, but here goes!  I am kind of assuming that maybe it might work kind of like a vaccination? A vaccination activates your immune response towards a specific pathogen by introducing a modified version (usually altered to deactivate/remove the component that sets off the disease) so that you have antibodies ready & waiting for if/when you encounter the pathogen. So remember how in Origins they had to magically alter the darkspawn blood with the mage ritual? I assume this was working to deactivate the trigger toxin in the disease, which allows them to drink it and still be relatively asymptomatic. Well... except for the people who get OHKO’d. I uh, don’t really know how to explain that because it could be anything out of a hundred things.  I would love to witness an autopsy of a failed joining warden! It would be fascinating! But I’m going off topic.. So as far as the joining working kind of similarly to a vaccine, it wouldn’t explain the hive mind or the dreams. Or the song. I can’t even try to explain those. Someone who is more familiar with the lore/psychology/theology is more than welcome to work on that part of this theory! 

 

AND LASTLY: I also once in a previous theory compared immortality of immortal beings to the immortality of cancer cells.  The only reason I bring this up again is because it appears that the blighted magisters(architect & corypheus) are also immortal. Note that I use the word immortal lightly, I am fully aware that we killed corypheus- but it appears(?) that these magisters do not die from aging.  From our knowledge in game, there is no spell that causes immortality and humans are not supposed to be immortal.  So could their immortality be linked to some magically altered version of the blight similar to something like the warden joining ritual?  Could they have found a way to utilize this immortality aspect of the cancerous cells without having the deadly uncontrollable proliferation?

Does it have anything to do with their taint?  All questions & no answers. Sorry! I tried.

 

 

My background isn't in science, but the blight also reminds me of a third thing : parasites. Some, like toxoplasmosis are said to be responsible for changes in the human brain bringing about more agressive and risk-taking behaviors. In ants, a brain fungus will cause them to seek the highest leaves they can find to die on : http://en.wikipedia....ps_unilateralis while another parasite will also affect them in a way that changes their behavior completely http://video.nationa...tes_flukelarvae.

 

So... could the blight be some kind of parasitic disease? Or an hybrid thereof? 

[Sister Squish]

I agree! And after re-watching Flemeth's conversation with Hawke in DA2, I'm now terrified that I made the wrong choice by not making Hawke stay in the Fade. "It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly." Hm....

 

 

Couple of other interesting things:

Hawke: Why did you ask me to bring you here?

Flemeth: Because I had an appointment to keep. And because I did not want to be followed. You smuggled me here quite nicely.

 

It's been awhile since I played DA2, do we ever find out what Flemeth's appointment was?

 

And later she says: "I am but a fragment, cast adrift from the whole."

I assumed the piece of Mythal inside Flemeth was the only spark remaining of god's essence. Is it possible the rest of Mythal is somewhere else? Or is she referring to something different?

 

 

"Must I be in just one place? Bodies are such limiting things." 

 

Yeees this is so simple, but exactly the Mythal quote we needed! 

 

My interpretation of this scene was that DA2 Act 1 is happening at the same time as DA:O. Hawke and her family are fleeing from the darkspawn at Lothering shortly after The Warden & co. move on. It is likely that a significant amount of time passes before Morrigan discovers the Grimoire, and returns to kill her mother. So, the Flemeth we meet at Sundermount is "but a fragment", intended to return to that hut and face Morrigan - her "appointment" - while the greater whole of Flemythal continues leisurely fulfilling her master plan.  

 

Edit: Which is apparently all wrrrroooong 

 

Ah yes! The devastation of crops and animals is similar to the bubonic plague aspect of the "hybrid" theory.  If I remember correctly I believe the black plague caused a lot of land devastation, but I don't know if it was caused by the disease itself or by the chaos wrought by the dying populations.  I believe the pneumonic (or bubonic) plague can be spread to animals and humans, which is why I think it fits with the blight (how it turns bears into berzerkarn and wolves into blight wolves).  My memory on the plagues is rusty so please correct me if I misremembered anything.

 

And yes, I have absolutely no idea how I would explain the song aspect of it!  I'm afraid I don't know much about the song theory so I think I'll have to leave that up to you and madrar for now! I was also wondering how I could explain Fiona's apparent regression of the blight... I have no idea.  Any thoughts would be appreciated!

 

EDIT: The blight being one large lifeform is interesting. I'll have to put more brainpower into that, but that sounds really interesting. Let me know if you guys go into that any further & i'll see if I can add in things.

EDIT EDIT:  I need to read more carefully before I post.  I'll need to go google who Utha is, I don't remember reading anything about her.  Was she in a book?

 

*Breaks open the Mordin lab equivalent of Scooby snacks*

 

Amazing comparisons. I have nothing useful to offer! Aside from... random thought, is it possible that conceiving a child with King Maric played a part in healing her? His bloodline known for it's dragon (potential old god?) origins. Could a super-fetus inside her provide her body with the means to fight off the Blight? 

[Colonelkillabee]

Hey, you can't hold your shemlen standards on elves! That's racist!

 

Maybe elves are what a healthy lean body should be and everyone else is just fat.

LOL I'll take fat, then Male elves almost always seem to get the short end of the stick. Besides the character model, we've also never been offered a female elf companion. By we, I mean heterosexual males. Only time was Hawke, as a Shemlen.

[LliiraAnna]

Another set of codex entries. Qunari this time. We don't really know much about them, it seems.

 

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

URL restrictions... I wonder if I should upload everything to the wiki? 

[Colonelkillabee]

 

 

 

"Bodies are such limiting things." 

 

Yeees this is so simple, but exactly the Mythal quote we needed! 

 

You're right, that quote alone suggests to me that the gods and the bodies they appeared in were not their own. Including Solas.

[Siha]

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So... could the blight be some kind of parasitic disease? Or an hybrid thereof?

My question is why a parasite would kill its host (so quickly). In DA2 it seemed that Brittany died (if so) very soon after being exposed to the taint.

[Patchwork]

Is the Crossroads the same as place as the one Briala gets hold of? They don't seem to be. IMO Morrigan has the eluvian hub which in Arlathan's time was only used by the higher tiers of their society including any non elven guests. Briala's network was for the plebs, it's designed to be functional rather than a display of greatness. Eluvians are spread out and the path between them has been crafted with less care which is why non elves struggle in that pocket universe.   

 

Both an Island surrounded by protective dragons and all the elves moving to their own pocket universe sound good to me. I'm for anything that gives them a chance to build their own society.

 

If there is going to be a big change for the elves however if comes about I doubt it'll be optional but a smallish change that can be hidden away in codexes and throw away dialogue that we'll probably be able to opt in or out of.  

[mythlover20]

Reclaim Gundaar for the elves and don't tell the dwarves, maybe?

But yeah, the elf situation is pretty grim. It makes sense why so many turned to the Qun or to banditry.

I guess Solas has read/played The Witcher and doesn't want his People going all Scoia'tel.

The dwarves have managed to leverage the lyrium and rune trade into a prestigious position within the Imperium. They don't attempt to absorb dwarf culture into their own because they're just lovely the way they are. (Plus the Tevinter+dwarf comedy duo routine is gold.) What could elves offer that could provide similar protection?

...Okay. Maybe they should put the Sea of Ash between them and humanity and use the Eluvians to get there.

Or some place like the Crossroads. That could work.

While I don't think he's aiming for it, it would be kind of amazing to see the full elven pantheon unleashed upon Thedas as retribution for the Elvhen. Ancient bald elves charging out of every forest telling humanity to get off Arlathan's lawn.

Oh, you just had to say that, didn't you?

[Little Mama]

My interpretation of this scene was that DA2 Act 1 is happening at the same time as DA:O. Hawke and her family are fleeing from the darkspawn at Lothering shortly after The Warden & co. move on. It is likely that a significant amount of time passes before Morrigan discovers the Grimoire, and returns to kill her mother. So, the Flemeth we meet at Sundermount is "but a fragment", intended to return to that hut and face Morrigan - her "appointment" - while the greater whole of Flemythal continues leisurely fulfilling her master plan.  

 

Or the opposite? 

I do think the appointment is the 'fight' with the Warden, but I've always been of the thought that the Flemeth Hawke brings are the 'right' one. That she had devided her essence, like with the horcrux in Harry Potter _(thiefs!*) 

That's also why I'm uncertain that she's really dead. She'd 'died' so many times before put she always finds a way back. I don't think her 'plan' is any less important to her than Fen'Harel's are to him. She wouldn't just forsake it. 

 

_{* I'm aware that its a mytological thing that dates past HP.}

[Sah291]

You're right, that quote alone suggests to me that the gods and the bodies they appeared in were not their own. Including Solas.

Doesn't Solas have a line about choosing to appear "in this limiting form" or something like that? I saw it in a YouTube video so he may only say it if he is angry at the Quizzy, or maybe I just don't remember when exactly he says it.

There was something else I considered too. Mother Giselle suggests to an elven Quizzy that they might be aspects of the maker. This would fit with what Mythal says in DA2, about being a fragment, cast adrift. In fact, that was what I first suspected Flemeth of being before finding out she was actually Mythal. That she was maybe part of the original one godhead, that was both "male" and "female", which makes her the "feminine" aspect that has been largely forgotten in modern "Maker" worship...which seems to focus heavily on a sun god/archetype.

[panamakira]

That might be viable, since Morrigan, a romanced Warden, and their son lived in a "different world" for some time, which would suggest that it's possible for the Dalish clans to survive in such an environment.

Given how the Inquisitor has an Eluvian and potential access to knowledge from the Well of Sorrows, this is theoretically possible. I rather like the idea.

I want to say I actually like this idea as well. At first I had imagined a scenario where the Inquisitor could help the Elves attain some sort of city-state in the Dales for them to settle and develop but really, how long will that last until Orlais gets tired of the Inquisition and take it back? I like the idea of the Elves just getting the heck out of Thedas and developing in a different world or at least settling down in an area outside of Thedas. There's plenty of map that hasn't been explored where they could get access through Elluvians only. 

 

I imagine something like an Elven Inquisitor making a massive call on all Elves, Dalish, City, slaves from Tevinter (causing another slave revolt/civil war), those in the Qun and giving them an option of staying in Thedas until humans wipe them out completely OR literally leaving Thedas altogether to develop their own society away from all races for at least a few centuries.

 

When they're strong enough they can come back to Thedas and settle. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Maybe Solas has something similar planned? I wouldn't mind helping him at all if that's the case! I'm starting to think that radical and immediate change is needed if the Elves ever have a chance of surviving.

[nranola]

Edit: Which does make me wonder what Morrigan's trick is. I think she and Flemeth may have elven blood because of the golden eyes, but that didn't help Michel.

 

Whatever it is, Mythal may have something to do with it. Maybe Morrigan inherited some odd magical resistances because Flemeth has Mythal within her? Plus, the yellow eyes: Flemeth has them, Morrigan has them, the elven sentinels have them. It's like the elven gods and their servants have an eye color dress code going on with them. Yellow is Mythal's color of choice.

 

Digressing a bit, but if eye color = association with specific elven god, this might be a clue in the future as to who Felassan was working for, assuming Felassan was in a similar predicament as the elven sentinels. The book made it a point to specify that his eyes were purple.

 

I find the Skyhold PJ quite abberrant.

Not only is so bland in color that it seem that it have no texture, but is very out of character for every race outside humans. Why would my Elven rogue wear that uncomfortable thing (I can't see any pratical character wanting to deal with all those buttons! as is too skin-tight to be something you can remove like a shirt) that have written on "human design" all over? I'd even prefer something like the clothes of the elven servant that wake you up at Haven post prologue. Something more comfortable and more "elven". And not monochrome.

 

Personally I don't mind the PJs so much on my Lavellan, but if we were given race-specific PJs, I would have liked that better.

[Patchwork]

 

My interpretation of this scene was that DA2 Act 1 is happening at the same time as DA:O. Hawke and her family are fleeing from the darkspawn at Lothering shortly after The Warden & co. move on. It is likely that a significant amount of time passes before Morrigan discovers the Grimoire, and returns to kill her mother. So, the Flemeth we meet at Sundermount is "but a fragment", intended to return to that hut and face Morrigan - her "appointment" - while the greater whole of Flemythal continues leisurely fulfilling her master plan.

 

Hawke and which ever twin spend a year in servitude, Act 1 starts after the events of DAO:A. 

 

The piece Flemeth sends in the locket is an insurance policy incase Morrigan manages to convince the Warden to kill her mother. It might not even be a trick she knew in Arlathan but something she learnt after she lost her original body and later taught to it Flemeth once they'd become Flemythal. 

[Moondreamer01]

Doesn't Solas have a line about choosing to appear "in this limiting form" or something like that? I saw it in a YouTube video so he may only say it if he is angry at the Quizzy, or maybe I just don't remember when exactly he says it.

There was something else I considered too. Mother Giselle suggests to an elven Quizzy that they might be aspects of the maker. This would fit with what Mythal says in DA2, about being a fragment, cast adrift. In fact, that was what I first suspected Flemeth of being before finding out she was actually Mythal. That she was maybe part of the original one godhead, that was both "male" and "female", which makes her the "feminine" aspect that has been largely forgotten in modern "Maker" worship...which seems to focus heavily on a sun god/archetype.

I don't remember about Solas, but doesn't Kieran have a line for an elven inquisitor going something like "Why do you choose to appear like this?" (I don't remember the exact phrasing though). Lots of people have commented on the old blood, but I always found this part to be more puzzling.

[Illyria]

 

 

 

"Must I be in just one place? Bodies are such limiting things." 

 

Yeees this is so simple, but exactly the Mythal quote we needed! 

 

My interpretation of this scene was that DA2 Act 1 is happening at the same time as DA:O. Hawke and her family are fleeing from the darkspawn at Lothering shortly after The Warden & co. move on. It is likely that a significant amount of time passes before Morrigan discovers the Grimoire, and returns to kill her mother. So, the Flemeth we meet at Sundermount is "but a fragment", intended to return to that hut and face Morrigan - her "appointment" - while the greater whole of Flemythal continues leisurely fulfilling her master plan.  

 

 

Except...

 

If that's the case then how is Anders in Kirkwall and already a Grey Warden...?

[mythlover20]

Yes, Kieran has that line. He asks why the elves would want to look like that.

[Seregwen]

I have a chem quiz tonight so I can't visit the forums today! (Except now, oops!) I wanted to share a little drawing I found in my chem notes when I was studying last night. (Note: May this doodle illustrate my sincere love and appreciation for actual artists who do amazing fanart)

 

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[mythlover20]

I have a chem quiz tonight so I can't visit the forums today! (Except now, oops!) I wanted to share a little drawing I found in my chem notes when I was studying last night. (Note: May this doodle illustrate my sincere love and appreciation for actual artists who do amazing fanart)

 

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That is adorable, and in the DA universe it's probably true and the humans stole that too. XD