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[Colonelkillabee]

Doesn't Solas have a line about choosing to appear "in this limiting form" or something like that? I saw it in a YouTube video so he may only say it if he is angry at the Quizzy, or maybe I just don't remember when exactly he says it.

There was something else I considered too. Mother Giselle suggests to an elven Quizzy that they might be aspects of the maker. This would fit with what Mythal says in DA2, about being a fragment, cast adrift. In fact, that was what I first suspected Flemeth of being before finding out she was actually Mythal. That she was maybe part of the original one godhead, that was both "male" and "female", which makes her the "feminine" aspect that has been largely forgotten in modern "Maker" worship...which seems to focus heavily on a sun god/archetype.

 

It's possible, sure. It's a little odd though since Solas says he "Hopes your god is worth it" to Cassandra, and Flemeth is open to his existence, or something like it.

 

Unless they just don't remember before being split.

 

I don't remember the limiting form comment but I'd love someone to find it. Would further support the idea that Solas and the gods aren't high standing elves.

[Sister Squish]

Hawke and which ever twin spend a year in servitude, Act 1 starts after the events of DAO:A. 

 

The piece Flemeth sends in the locket is an insurance policy incase Morrigan manages to convince the Warden to kill her mother. It might not even be a trick she knew in Arlathan but something she learnt after she lost her original body and later taught to it Flemeth once they'd become Flemythal. 

 

Except...

 

If that's the case then how is Anders in Kirkwall and already a Grey Warden...?

 

Oh waitta burst my logic bubble guys 

 

Or the opposite? 

I do think the appointment is the 'fight' with the Warden, but I've always been of the thought that the Flemeth Hawke brings are the 'right' one. That she had devided her essence, like with the horcrux in Harry Potter _(thiefs!*) 

That's also why I'm uncertain that she's really dead. She'd 'died' so many times before put she always finds a way back. I don't think her 'plan' is any less important to her than Fen'Harel's are to him. She wouldn't just forsake it. 

 

_{* I'm aware that its a mytological thing that dates past HP.}

 

It is possible it is the other way around. I guess I have trouble believing Flemythal would trust her whole self to Hawke, and that this person she just met wouldn't inevitably pawn her trinket-self for cash. A fragment, she doesn't seem entirely bothered about. She cannot foresee Hawke's Champion destiny.... right? 

 

 In Harry Potter, the soul fragments kept in the objects, Nagini (and arguably, Harry himself) do not behave with the full ability a "whole" witch/wizard's soul might.. If Mythal's soul fragments were equivalent, they would not be able to do what we see at Sundermount...

 

And yes! I would love to know if the process of soul-splitting into fragments is actually breaking pieces from the soul, lessening the whole. Or if she simply has a way of making "lesser" soul-copies. 

 

I think I want to be optimistic, and believe that Mythal's "soul-splitting" are copies... perhaps lesser in strength. I don't like the thought of Mythal getting weaker each time she performs that act D: 

[Colonelkillabee]

It's possible, sure. It's a little odd though since Solas says he "Hopes your god is worth it" to Cassandra, and Flemeth is open to his existence, or something like it.

 

Unless they just don't remember before being split.

 

I don't remember the limiting form comment but I'd love someone to find it. Would further support the idea that Solas and the gods aren't high standing elves.

Though I think the existence of the fade and everyones link to it does suggest some joined mind at one point.

[Sah291]

Yes, Kieran has that line. He asks why the elves would want to look like that.

Yeah, but some theorize that just might be referring to the vallaslin.

But still, the Andrastians (or at least the heretical Inquisition ones) in the game keep reinforcing this idea of there being only one god, one world, one life. I think that is significant. So one god, one world, one reality. Everything we see is a fragment of this whole. This parallels the idea of the veil being created, or possibly just an illusion, and that the fade was once a natural part of the world, like the air (as Solas says back in Haven).

[Little Mama]

It is possible it is the other way around. I guess I have trouble believing Flemythal would trust her whole self to Hawke, and that this person she just met wouldn't inevitably pawn her trinket-self for cash. A fragment, she doesn't seem entirely bothered about. She cannot foresee Hawke's Champion destiny.... right? 

 

 In Harry Potter, the soul fragments kept in the objects, Nagini (and arguably, Harry himself) do not behave with the full ability a "whole" witch/wizard's soul might.. If Mythal's soul fragments were equivalent, they would not be able to do what we see at Sundermount...

 

And yes! I would love to know if the process of soul-splitting into fragments is actually breaking pieces from the soul, lessening the whole. Or if she simply has a way of making "lesser" soul-copies. 

 

I think I want to be optimistic, and believe that Mythal's "soul-splitting" are copies... perhaps lesser in strength. I don't like the thought of Mythal getting weaker each time she performs that act D: 

 

 

But he/she looks so trustworthy! 

No, I guess you are right. But what i mean is that I'd like to believe there aren't any 'part' of Flemeth that isn't real or just as powerful as the next. And I don't think _{(hope not)} that her powers deminish with it. I just think she makes a back-up, somehow. 

And I do think can forsee that, yes. Someway... just like she knows about the Warden. 

[Moondreamer01]

Yeah, but some theorize that just might be referring to the vallaslin.

But still, the Andrastians (or at least the heretical Inquisition ones) in the game keep reinforcing this idea of there being only one god, one world, one life. I think that is significant. So one god, one world, one reality. Everything we see is a fragment of this whole. This parallels the idea of the veil being created, or possibly just an illusion, and that the fade was once a natural part of the world, like the air (as Solas says back in Haven).

ah, yes. the vallaslin is probably the simplest answer (and thus probably the correct one). Still, in light of the other comment about restrictive bodies, it's strange.

[TanisLave]

Random question but, In your guy's opinion. PS4 or X-box one? I'm saving up to purchase a newer console for my family as a surprise, and I've always leaned more towards the PS4, but is there any reasons you guys think would be more beneficial for a x-box?..  PS: We don't have the greatest internet.

[Rabbitonfire]

Exclusives should determine which you want.

[Sister Squish]

But he/she looks so trustworthy! 

No, I guess you are right. But what i mean is that I'd like to believe there aren't any 'part' of Flemeth that isn't real or just as powerful as the next. And I don't think _{(hope not)} that her powers deminish with it. I just think she makes a back-up, somehow. 

And I do think can forsee that, yes. Someway... just like she knows about the Warden. 

 

Ah I see, yes it is possible they are all equal copies - equally strong, equally real. Then the question of 'which' FleMythal is on Sundermount is irrelevant. 

 

Cannot recall the reasoning for them needing to be lesser copies... perhaps it was madrar's triad's planet-sized Mythal soul? Hard to imagine that fitting inside a mortal body. But then, souls do not need to work under the same laws of physics, right. Or maybe each active Mythal is part of a collective?

 

There's that collective consciousness again. Ahhhh cup of tea time [Solas disapproves] 

 

And are we running with the idea that wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey lets Mythal see future events in the fade as well as the past? Which would explain a lot

[TanisLave]

Exclusives should determine which you want.

 

Eh, I don't mind waiting too much. I'm just concerned about the internet thing for X-box one, but Is there any graphical/operational differences between them? I know they use the same memory card.

[Siha]

Random question but, In your guy's opinion. PS4 or X-box one? I'm saving up to purchase a newer console for my family as a surprise, and I've always leaned more towards the PS4, but is there any reasons you guys think would be more beneficial for a x-box?..  PS: We don't have the greatest internet.

PS4. For everything.
Except Halo. Halo? Xbox.
And I'm waiting for Quantum Theory to add another reason, maybe.

[Siha]

Eh, I don't mind waiting too much. I'm just concerned about the internet thing for X-box one, but Is there any graphical/operational differences between them? I know they use the same memory card.

THAT is yet to be seen. So far PS4 is superior and tends to perform better, but this might change if Xbox catches up. I believe in MS, basically.

[Janic99]

Meanwhile Solas approves on Ele's outfit mod: 

[mythlover20]

Yeah, but some theorize that just might be referring to the vallaslin.

But still, the Andrastians (or at least the heretical Inquisition ones) in the game keep reinforcing this idea of there being only one god, one world, one life. I think that is significant. So one god, one world, one reality. Everything we see is a fragment of this whole. This parallels the idea of the veil being created, or possibly just an illusion, and that the fade was once a natural part of the world, like the air (as Solas says back in Haven).

Funny, I've always just seen that as a reflection of our own western culture: the absolute vehement insistence that there is only "one god" to the detriment of all others - even those other variations of their own religion (see Catholic vs Protestant during the Elisabethan Era for example, or the Christian vs Muslim movement now (people like to pretend that isn't what it is all about but honestly, it's happened so many times throughout history and humans as a whole still haven't learnt that I personally can't see it as anything else)). Then again, I've almost always been outside the monotheist circle. I tried it when I was younger, multiple times. But I abandoned it long ago when I actually sat down and read the various sacred texts and nearly made myself ill trying to get through them. Now I have to constantly deal with the "oh, just trust in God and all your problems will be solved" "trust in god and he'll show the way" "oh, you've got a stalker who's harrassing you and everyone you know? I'll pray for you (and not actually do anything to help you despite the fact that you could very well end up being killed)" "You don't believe in god, what's wrong with you?" "oh, you think (such and such), are you in a cult? Go to church, that will sort you out."

Blood oath my own ****** physician spent two years trying to convert me back into Anglican Christianity, tried to force his beliefs about *my* sexual health and wellbeing on me. If I make the mistake of mentioning that I'm researching another religion for one of my characters the immediate response is - and I quote: "Be careful, those cults are dangerous."

So... yeah, I see a lot of Western society in Andrastianism. The immediate hostility towards anyone not them (Tevinter, Dalish, Qunari), the insistence that they're right and everyone else is wrong (Cassandra "no room among your gods for one more", Giselle "your mark is the will of the maker"). The absolute ****** constant disrespect for the Dalish Elf who has her own belief system with gods who - as it turns out - actually exist, one of whom is sleeping in the hut not one hundred metres from the chantry and painting the walls of Skyhold in his spare time.

I just wish there was a dialogue option to say: Look, Cassandra/Giselle/whomever: you are allowed to believe what you like, and I respect your decision to do so. I will not force you to abandon your beliefs, nor will I force my own upon you; however, I expect the same consideration in turn. I have repeatedly asked you not to call me the Herald of Andraste because I do not believe in your Maker. There is no more room in my pantheon for your god than there is in yours for mine because they are by their very natures mutually exclusive. You can believe what you like; please give me the same respect.

I... um... have a lot of issues to work out with the role of religion in our own society. I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone with this post.

[Avejajed]

Eh, I don't mind waiting too much. I'm just concerned about the internet thing for X-box one, but Is there any graphical/operational differences between them? I know they use the same memory card.

I have an xbox one. I do not own a Playstation and I never have, but I will say I am very content with our xbox. I have had no problems with it whatsoever, and no problems with DAI, besides small glitches it seems everyone across all platforms has. I don't know how much better the ps4 is graphics wise, but I do not feel xbox has suffered. It looks good to me.

As for internet,I didn't read back, but you need the internet to sign in and play, and also to access the keep, but I couldn't say if that is true also with a hard copy, as mine was downloaded.

If it's because your Internet isn't great, never fear, unless you play mp, but even then ours works fine on less than good internet.

My husband has had issues with COD though, or fps multiplayer.

[NightSymphony]

We need some cuteness in here!

 

http://liliumsnow.de...d-Egg-508770579

[mythlover20]

Meanwhile Solas approves on Ele's outfit mod: 

It is a wonderful texture. Are you releasing it, by any chance?

[BoscoBread]

Random question but, In your guy's opinion. PS4 or X-box one? I'm saving up to purchase a newer console for my family as a surprise, and I've always leaned more towards the PS4, but is there any reasons you guys think would be more beneficial for a x-box?..  PS: We don't have the greatest internet.

PS4 but only because of the exclusives they get.  They always get the Japanese RPG's which I enjoy so I will always go for that over the X-Box.  I think technically they are about the same so I don't think you'd notice much of a difference in performance or graphics.  

[mythlover20]

We need some cuteness in here!

 

http://liliumsnow.de...d-Egg-508770579

I'm sorry, I'm quoting because I'm out of likes for the day and this is just so adorable! ^^

[Maria13]

Funny, I've always just seen that as a reflection of our own western culture: the absolute vehement insistence that there is only "one god" to the detriment of all others - even those other variations of their own religion (see Catholic vs Protestant during the Elisabethan Era for example, or the Christian vs Muslim movement now (people like to pretend that isn't what it is all about but honestly, it's happened so many times throughout history and humans as a whole still haven't learnt that I personally can't see it as anything else)). Then again, I've almost always been outside the monotheist circle. I tried it when I was younger, multiple times. But I abandoned it long ago when I actually sat down and read the various sacred texts and nearly made myself ill trying to get through them. Now I have to constantly deal with the "oh, just trust in God and all your problems will be solved" "trust in god and he'll show the way" "oh, you've got a stalker who's harrassing you and everyone you know? I'll pray for you (and not actually do anything to help you despite the fact that you could very well end up being killed)" "You don't believe in god, what's wrong with you?" "oh, you think (such and such), are you in a cult? Go to church, that will sort you out."

Blood oath my own ****** physician spent two years trying to convert me back into Anglican Christianity, tried to force his beliefs about *my* sexual health and wellbeing on me. If I make the mistake of mentioning that I'm researching another religion for one of my characters the immediate response is - and I quote: "Be careful, those cults are dangerous."

So... yeah, I see a lot of Western society in Andrastianism. The immediate hostility towards anyone not them (Tevinter, Dalish, Qunari), the insistence that they're right and everyone else is wrong (Cassandra "no room among your gods for one more", Giselle "your mark is the will of the maker"). The absolute ****** constant disrespect for the Dalish Elf who has her own belief system with gods who - as it turns out - actually exist, one of whom is sleeping in the hut not one hundred metres from the chantry and painting the walls of Skyhold in his spare time.

I just wish there was a dialogue option to say: Look, Cassandra/Giselle/whomever: you are allowed to believe what you like, and I respect your decision to do so. I will not force you to abandon your beliefs, nor will I force my own upon you; however, I expect the same consideration in turn. I have repeatedly asked you not to call me the Herald of Andraste because I do not believe in your Maker. There is no more room in my pantheon for your god than there is in yours for mine because they are by their very natures mutually exclusive. You can believe what you like; please give me the same respect.

I... um... have a lot of issues to work out with the role of religion in our own society. I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone with this post.

 

That's a bit of a rant and I sympathise, I know where you are, pretty much there myself, but returning to DA:I Cassandra and mother Giselle occasionally go back to the default but fundamentally they are good people and respect good intentions in others whatever their background. Cassandra in particular comes in for a lot of praise from a certain elf for her tolerance...

[Rabbitonfire]

We need some cuteness in here!

 

Spoiler

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But what was off about the berries?

[Maria13]

But what was off about the berries?

 

A wolf peed on them, perhaps???

 

Canines are always peeing on stuff, I know, I have two...

[Colonelkillabee]

I... um... have a lot of issues to work out with the role of religion in our own society. I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone with this post.

While I did honestly think this was a bit of an overreaction, no offense, I do see where you're coming from.

 

I am christian, so the andrastian thing speaks to me probably more than some, and the parallels are there, but I still have a gripe with the forced white knight image, not because of religion, but because it limits your character and the possibilities of what they can be, which is kind of boring. It makes all humans a heroic figure whether you want to be or not, and makes dalish elves... I dunno, traitors? Lol I have no idea what the dalish would say about you going to be the herald of human faith. I guess you can tell them you were just using the silly shems to help the world, but when it comes to religion, people know, saying you're a member of this or that religion when you're not or denying your gods even temporarily is a very big deal.

[Rabbitonfire]

A wolf peed on them, perhaps???

 

Canines are always peeing on stuff, I know, I have two...

I don't buy it, a wolf  can't spray an entire bush.

[BoscoBread]

I just wish there was a dialogue option to say: Look, Cassandra/Giselle/whomever: you are allowed to believe what you like, and I respect your decision to do so. I will not force you to abandon your beliefs, nor will I force my own upon you; however, I expect the same consideration in turn. I have repeatedly asked you not to call me the Herald of Andraste because I do not believe in your Maker. There is no more room in my pantheon for your god than there is in yours for mine because they are by their very natures mutually exclusive. You can believe what you like; please give me the same respect.

I... um... have a lot of issues to work out with the role of religion in our own society. I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone with this post.

I agree.  I didn't roleplay as religious at all. My Lavellan doesn't believe in God/gods. She believes they were no more than people with great power that were worshipped. She certainly doesn't believe in the Maker and only believs in choices people make and their consequences. She thinks religion takes away the responsibility one should feel for their actions.  For good or ill.  The Andrastian faith in particular.  The ToM only supported that belief - she knows there is magic that still exists in this world that most people have forgotten about and have little understanding of but that doesn't make it Divine -- at least not in the way people think it means.  Like Morrigan said - one does not need to be a god to have value. 

 

BUT: She was taken aback by Cassandra's rudeness[EDIT: I was also kind of surprised at how crappy she is in the temple because she's so respectful with Solas so it was bit odd].  My gal is pretty respectful of everybody's beliefs.  As much as she has concerns about the Qun she was much more open to listen to Bull than Solas. In very abstract way she can understand why that could be a good life for some people but would never support forcing it on someone.