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[Rabbitonfire]

Cassandra was rude? What if she was actually telling a joke but you couldn't tell from her stoic nature. She's probably one of the more respectable of the companions.

[Janic99]

It is a wonderful texture. Are you releasing it, by any chance?

It is done by ele and you can find it on nexusmod :DD 

 

[Janic99]

I used flycam a little and omg wanted to share this because it was just too adorable.. (I even burned my toast because of this -.-) 
 

[mythlover20]

That's a bit of a rant and I sympathise, I know where you are, pretty much there myself, but returning to DA:I Cassandra and mother Giselle occasionally go back to the default but fundamentally they are good people and respect good intentions in others whatever their background. Cassandra in particular comes in for a lot of praise from a certain elf for her tolerance...

Oh, I agree! They certainly are good people at the core. Very few (including myself) would actually go out into a war zone to treat wounded refugees, or stand up and make the hard decision to form the Inquisition to help everyone when the leading power was tripping over itself, blinded by their own delusions of grandeaur; but that doesn't mean they can't be disrepectful as well. And, well, sometimes they are. Cassandra less so than Mother Giselle, because no matter what I say to Mother Giselle, I always, always get the "Maker" speeches from her with my elves, and... it seems to be done in such a way that the actions Lavellan takes  are not her own, but the Maker's - Lavellan is just a tool, and one that could have just as easily been someone else. Cassandra acknowledges Lavellan as a person before the Herald/Inquisitor - that's what endears me to her. As much as Mother Giselle tries to help... yeah, she reminds me of far too many IRL people I have to deal with.

[Wheels]

Do they also have a mod that let's you pick black hair that doesn't look blue-ish?

I'm so unhappy And I don't know where I can find mods.

[Maria13]

I received a PS4 for Christmas since my PC could not play DA:I, I've had Xboxes before too, the reason I wished for a PS this time around is that there are some games that are simply not released on any other console such as The Last of Us, I am still hoping that Sony will republish some of the old PS games for PS4.

[Rabbitonfire]

Do they also have a mod that let's you pick black hair that doesn't look blue-ish?

I'm so unhappy And I don't know where I can find mods.

http://forum.cheaten...5569310#5569310

[Maria13]

I don't buy it, a wolf  can't spray an entire bush.

 

It might have a bloody good try though!!!

 

My chihuahua attempts to take over the world every day by peeing on the relevant markers...

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't buy it, a wolf  can't spray an entire bush.

You haven't met my dog.

[jellobell]

Just a quick question. I'm playing DAI and I'm out with Solas and Sera (and Bull)

Anybody know what Solas says to Sera when she just makes **** noise at him? 

I'm especially interested in the last ones "Fen'hides Lasa" Sound like he's cursing at her. And as we all know Fen is wolf so...

I've found the go-to place for elven translations to be this blog. It's a great resource because it really breaks down the language. Anyways, here's what it says about what Solas says to Sera (in a spoiler because it's long).

 

Spoiler

Ar dirthan’as ir elgara, ma’sula e’var vhenan.

 

Ar is I

 

Dirtha is the verb to speak, and Dirthan is the conjugation for the first person.

 

'As is possibly a contracted suffix of nas, which means 'soul,' or das, which means 'restraint' or 'avoidance.' 

 

ir means very, many, much

 

Elgar’a is most likely a contracted plural of elgar, which means spirit, so “spirits.” (proper plural of elgar would be elgarala or Elgaren). As elgara as a verb wouldn’t make much sense in the context (very to spirit?)

 

Ma is the second person personal pronoun as well as the possessive pronoun (mar is the possessive determiner. i.e, mar is used when ‘you,’ is the subject, ma is used when ‘you,’ is the object. In this case, Solas is speaking TO sera, so she is the object, therefore ma is used).

 

Sula is most likely a contraction of sulahn, which is song, or music. 

 

E is possibly the auxiliary verb “can,” or it might be a contraction of ena or era.

 

Var is the possessive determine of ‘us/we,’ i.e. our vhen’an means home or heart.

 

Therefore, two possible translations (either of which could be correct because remember that Elvish is poetically inferential).

 

ONE:

I speak from my soul, and with much spirit, your song could be our home.

i.e. 

I speak honestly and earnestly: if I can convert you, I can convert anybody.

 

TWO

I speak with restraint, but much spirit, your song dreams of our home.

I speak with restraint, but much spirit, your song emerges as our home. 

 

Again, the suffixes of ‘as, ‘a, and the prefix of e’ are guesswork on my part.

[Wheels]

http://forum.cheaten...5569310#5569310

 

You're my hero Thanks!

[Sah291]

So the andrastians are like the Unitoligists, lol.

I was thinking something like Pagan/Christian Gnosticism vs. Orthodox/Catholic. This is reflected in the whole mages versus Templar conflict. The Official Chantry of Andraste actively suppresses the more mystical teachings of the Chant, and oppresses their mages. Tevinter is kind of the opposite. Meanwhile the Qun has morphed into a kind of secular philosophy.

Edit: I don't think Giselle is intolerant. She's no Mother Petrice. But I see the Inquisition as kind of a heretical organization, breaking off from the Chantry, and more tolerant of other interpretations of the maker.

[nranola]

Oh, I agree! They certainly are good people at the core. Very few (including myself) would actually go out into a war zone to treat wounded refugees, or stand up and make the hard decision to form the Inquisition to help everyone when the leading power was tripping over itself, blinded by their own delusions of grandeaur; but that doesn't mean they can't be disrepectful as well. And, well, sometimes they are. Cassandra less so than Mother Giselle, because no matter what I say to Mother Giselle, I always, always get the "Maker" speeches from her with my elves, and... it seems to be done in such a way that the actions Lavellan takes  are not her own, but the Maker's - Lavellan is just a tool, and one that could have just as easily been someone else. Cassandra acknowledges Lavellan as a person before the Herald/Inquisitor - that's what endears me to her. As much as Mother Giselle tries to help... yeah, she reminds me of far too many IRL people I have to deal with.

 

Blagh, Mother Giselle. Was not too fond of her after she had a spat with my Lavellan on conflicting religious views. There's something she says after the Fade quest about how Lavellan must "feel so vindicated" that she was not in fact the Herald of Andraste. And then Giselle got into it with Dorian, and... I just don't have a high opinion of the lady. 

 

I suppose it's to be expected, given that we're thrust into a very Andrastrian setting. I'm glad that we at least have dialogue options to assert a different opinion.

 

Relevant comic is relevant:

Spoiler

http://carriwitchett...ellan-drops-mic

[mythlover20]

While I did honestly think this was a bit of an overreaction, no offense, I do see where you're coming from.

 

I am christian, so the andrastian thing speaks to me probably more than some, and the parallels are there, but I still have a gripe with the forced white knight image, not because of religion, but because it limits your character and the possibilities of what they can be, which is kind of boring. It makes all humans a heroic figure whether you want to be or not, and makes dalish elves... I dunno, traitors? Lol I have no idea what the dalish would say about you going to be the herald of human faith. I guess you can tell them you were just using the silly shems to help the world, but when it comes to religion, people know, saying you're a member of this or that religion when you're not or denying your gods even temporarily is a very big deal.

Again, I do sincerely apologise for causing offense. Unfortunately this is something I have to constantly deal with every day and, well, with everything else I am going through (including said stalker and GP), it's a bit much.

In reference to Andrastianism, I also hold up the results of The Tomb of The Emerald Knights and the documentation of the events of Red Crossing as an example against Andrastianism: it unfortunately reminds me too much of the European conquest of Australia and America. A mistake was made that was exaccerbated by both parties, and the one that held the most power (the Andrastians) took it upon themselves to kill/enslave the other. Now, hundreds of years later: the Dalish apologise (in their own weird way) for their part; the Chantry uses it as a possible excuse to lead to more Alienage purges. *sighs sadly* The most readily available example I have is from here in Aus: The colonists spread out and drove the Aboriginal tribes from their territories and depriving them of food sources, so they took some of the colonists supplies, thus denying the colonists food. The colonists ended up poisoning their own rations and setting a trap that led the Aboriginals who stole them to be poisoned. Not exactly the same but an example of how a situation can get easily become the fault of both parties, but that the one who takes the most drastic action (in this case: murder) is the victor and often portrays themselves as the victims, and uses the others' actions to lead to further bloodshed/oppression.

As they say: history is written by the victors.

I do agree about the whole "White Knight" image too. I can see why they went there: there really isn't any other way for the story to progress if they aren't the white knight. I guess there could have been further consequences because of the mark, but apart from two dialogues from Cassandra and Josie (who was actually the only one who tried to learn anything about Dalish customs, so I automatically liked her. Plus she's adorable and brilliant, so I liked her anyway) that is never explored. It is a shame: if you had to stay because Solas was the only one who could keep the mark from killing you it would have make it a bit more realistic for them to stay other than: the world needs saving and you're the only one who could do it. I liked the idea of the mark being a constant source of discomfort or even pain for the Quiz. It would have been nice to follow up on that.

Though, I find StarLord's line would have been good too. lol. (Why do you want to save the galaxy? Because I'm one of the idiots who lives in it!) You have to admit: it's kind of hard to defeat that logic.

I was disappointed there were not more interactions with the Dalish. I was also kinda disappointed that the Dalish hunter called Lavellen "Herald." I did like that Keeper Harwen didn't trust you at first now that you were the head of a human organisation.

 

I agree.  I didn't roleplay as religious at all. My Lavellan doesn't believe in God/gods. She believes they were no more than people with great power that were worshipped. She certainly doesn't believe in the Maker and only believs in choices people make and their consequences. She thinks religion takes away the responsibility one should feel for their actions.  For good or ill.  The Andrastian faith in particular.  The ToM only supported that belief - she knows there is magic that still exists in this world that most people have forgotten about and have little understanding of but that doesn't make it Divine -- at least not in the way people think it means.  Like Morrigan said - one does not need to be a god to have value. 

 

BUT: She was taken aback by Cassandra's rudeness[EDIT: I was also kind of surprised at how crappy she is in the temple because she's so respectful with Solas so it was bit odd].  My gal is pretty respectful of everybody's beliefs.  As much as she has concerns about the Qun she was much more open to listen to Bull than Solas. In very abstract way she can understand why that could be a good life for some people but would never support forcing it on someone.    

She's rude in the Temple of Mythal? I never knew that, but to be honest I've never taken her.

 

It is done by ele and you can find it on nexusmod :DD 

 

Excellent! Kani would love a new outfit when I replay her!

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't play a new Lavellan and have her romance Solas. It kinda feels like Solas is cheating on Kani with the new one. Does anyone else feel like that?

 

I used flycam a little and omg wanted to share this because it was just too adorable.. (I even burned my toast because of this -.-) 
 

No! It's okay! It's still good. You can just scrap the burnt bits off and slather it with butter and vegemite! It will still taste good! (I hope)

Adorable screenie is adorable.

[MoonDrummer]

Blagh, Mother Giselle. Was not too fond of her after she had a spat with my Lavellan on conflicting religious views. There's something she says after the Fade quest about how Lavellan must "feel so vindicated" that she was not in fact the Herald of Andraste. And then Giselle got into it with Dorian, and... I just don't have a high opinion of the lady. 

 

I suppose it's to be expected, given that we're thrust into a very Andrastrian setting. I'm glad that we at least have dialogue options to assert a different opinion.

 

Relevant comic is relevant:

Spoiler

http://carriwitchett...ellan-drops-mic

That conversation has alwayed annoyed me

[WildSky214]

Funny, I've always just seen that as a reflection of our own western culture: the absolute vehement insistence that there is only "one god" to the detriment of all others - even those other variations of their own religion (see Catholic vs Protestant during the Elisabethan Era for example, or the Christian vs Muslim movement now (people like to pretend that isn't what it is all about but honestly, it's happened so many times throughout history and humans as a whole still haven't learnt that I personally can't see it as anything else)). Then again, I've almost always been outside the monotheist circle. I tried it when I was younger, multiple times. But I abandoned it long ago when I actually sat down and read the various sacred texts and nearly made myself ill trying to get through them. Now I have to constantly deal with the "oh, just trust in God and all your problems will be solved" "trust in god and he'll show the way" "oh, you've got a stalker who's harrassing you and everyone you know? I'll pray for you (and not actually do anything to help you despite the fact that you could very well end up being killed)" "You don't believe in god, what's wrong with you?" "oh, you think (such and such), are you in a cult? Go to church, that will sort you out."

Blood oath my own ****** physician spent two years trying to convert me back into Anglican Christianity, tried to force his beliefs about *my* sexual health and wellbeing on me. If I make the mistake of mentioning that I'm researching another religion for one of my characters the immediate response is - and I quote: "Be careful, those cults are dangerous."

So... yeah, I see a lot of Western society in Andrastianism. The immediate hostility towards anyone not them (Tevinter, Dalish, Qunari), the insistence that they're right and everyone else is wrong (Cassandra "no room among your gods for one more", Giselle "your mark is the will of the maker"). The absolute ****** constant disrespect for the Dalish Elf who has her own belief system with gods who - as it turns out - actually exist, one of whom is sleeping in the hut not one hundred metres from the chantry and painting the walls of Skyhold in his spare time.

I just wish there was a dialogue option to say: Look, Cassandra/Giselle/whomever: you are allowed to believe what you like, and I respect your decision to do so. I will not force you to abandon your beliefs, nor will I force my own upon you; however, I expect the same consideration in turn. I have repeatedly asked you not to call me the Herald of Andraste because I do not believe in your Maker. There is no more room in my pantheon for your god than there is in yours for mine because they are by their very natures mutually exclusive. You can believe what you like; please give me the same respect.

I... um... have a lot of issues to work out with the role of religion in our own society. I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone with this post.

Why is that Christianity is the only religion ever vilified? I'm not saying their completely innocent, but can the Muslims share in the blame a little?

Crusades

And yes, I am a Christian, so of course I would feel this way, but I also don't like it when people pick on Hindus. They don't bother anyone. (That I know of)

I'm probably no longer welcome here.


*Edit: The Qunari are based on Muslim, Rivain based on the Moorish occupation of Spain. Just a little factoid.

[mythlover20]

Blagh, Mother Giselle. Was not too fond of her after she had a spat with my Lavellan on conflicting religious views. There's something she says after the Fade quest about how Lavellan must "feel so vindicated" that she was not in fact the Herald of Andraste. And then Giselle got into it with Dorian, and... I just don't have a high opinion of the lady. 

 

I suppose it's to be expected, given that we're thrust into a very Andrastrian setting. I'm glad that we at least have dialogue options to assert a different opinion.

 

Relevant comic is relevant:

Spoiler

http://carriwitchett...ellan-drops-mic

I love that comic. Always have. It's bloody brilliant and illustrates everything so succinctly.

Also I just have to say I LOVE your avatar! That stained-glass look of the tarot card is gorgeous!

[Little Mama]

Ah I see, yes it is possible they are all equal copies - equally strong, equally real. Then the question of 'which' FleMythal is on Sundermount is irrelevant. 

 

Cannot recall the reasoning for them needing to be lesser copies... perhaps it was madrar's triad's planet-sized Mythal soul? Hard to imagine that fitting inside a mortal body. But then, souls do not need to work under the same laws of physics, right. Or maybe each active Mythal is part of a collective?

 

There's that collective consciousness again. Ahhhh cup of tea time [Solas disapproves] 

 

And are we running with the idea that wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey lets Mythal see future events in the fade as well as the past? Which would explain a lot

 

Would be most complicated/unbelievable and thereby also most likely, _{since BW never makes it easy to follow their thoughts.} 

 

Remember the Arcane warrior spirit in DAO? 

 

I've found the go-to place for elven translations to be this blog. It's a great resource because it really breaks down the language. Anyways, here's what it says about what Solas says to Sera (in a spoiler because it's long).

 

Spoiler

Ar dirthan’as ir elgara, ma’sula e’var vhenan.

 

Ar is I

 

Dirtha is the verb to speak, and Dirthan is the conjugation for the first person.

 

'As is possibly a contracted suffix of nas, which means 'soul,' or das, which means 'restraint' or 'avoidance.' 

 

ir means very, many, much

 

Elgar’a is most likely a contracted plural of elgar, which means spirit, so “spirits.” (proper plural of elgar would be elgarala or Elgaren). As elgara as a verb wouldn’t make much sense in the context (very to spirit?)

 

Ma is the second person personal pronoun as well as the possessive pronoun (mar is the possessive determiner. i.e, mar is used when ‘you,’ is the subject, ma is used when ‘you,’ is the object. In this case, Solas is speaking TO sera, so she is the object, therefore ma is used).

 

Sula is most likely a contraction of sulahn, which is song, or music. 

 

E is possibly the auxiliary verb “can,” or it might be a contraction of ena or era.

 

Var is the possessive determine of ‘us/we,’ i.e. our vhen’an means home or heart.

 

Therefore, two possible translations (either of which could be correct because remember that Elvish is poetically inferential).

 

ONE:

I speak from my soul, and with much spirit, your song could be our home.

i.e. 

I speak honestly and earnestly: if I can convert you, I can convert anybody.

 

TWO

I speak with restraint, but much spirit, your song dreams of our home.

I speak with restraint, but much spirit, your song emerges as our home. 

 

Again, the suffixes of ‘as, ‘a, and the prefix of e’ are guesswork on my part.

 

Thank you. You're a hero for finding this

 

 

I just love it how elvish _{(no matter if Tolkien or BW)} are always so polite 

[mythlover20]

Why is that Christianity is the only religion ever vilified? I'm not saying their completely innocent, but can the Muslims share in the blame a little?

Crusades

And yes, I am a Christian, so of course I would feel this way, but I also don't like it when people pick on Hindus. They don't bother anyone. (That I know of)

I'm probably no longer welcome here.

I am sorry, dear. I'm only using them because I studied European history at Uni (as it was pretty much the only historical option I had, sadly). I do not yet know enough about Middle Eastern, Eastern, African or Ancient American histories to be able to make an argument without getting something so terribly, terribly wrong.

But Muslims not being vilified? Have you seen what's being done in America since 9/11? Did you hear about the Australia Day Riots in Sydney a few years ago? Islamists are causing havock and innocents are dying on both sides as a result.

But this is getting out of hand now, so... *sighs* As my final word for the night on this topic (as it is 3.15 AM here) I'm just going to say to read my tagline. I came up with this during my high school humanities thesis on the comparative representations of various religions in popular culture. It fit at the time, and it seems to now.

"In the darkness all is the same, all is equal. It is the light which casts the shadow, and turns to evil that which simply was."

Meaning that someone is always going to be seen as evil, regardless of whether they are or not. It all depends on an individual's perspective.

Yeah, sorry, no happy screenie to distract from the parrellels of religions within the real and DA worlds. I suggest we scroll back up and look at Janesutin's and admire the textures on Solas' shirt, cause frankly they're gorgeous.
 

Modifié par mythlover20, 22 janvier 2015 - 05:18 .

[Colonelkillabee]

snip

 

No offense taken. And honestly, I do like the Andrastian faith, but I can't stand the chantry, and agree they are fools the majority of the time. I would not shed tears if the chantry collapsed. In real life I have very little love for Churches too, but I won't start that conversation here.

 

I am glad that being the herald and accepting andrastian faith doesn't mean I have to support the chantry as well. That much was appreciated.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Blagh, Mother Giselle. Was not too fond of her after she had a spat with my Lavellan on conflicting religious views. There's something she says after the Fade quest about how Lavellan must "feel so vindicated" that she was not in fact the Herald of Andraste. And then Giselle got into it with Dorian, and... I just don't have a high opinion of the lady. 

 

I suppose it's to be expected, given that we're thrust into a very Andrastrian setting. I'm glad that we at least have dialogue options to assert a different opinion.

 

I actually rather liked Mother Giselle.  I'm not religious but my parents both are, and she reminds me of some of the people at their church: well-meaning and generally decent, with a few painfully obvious blind spots.  A couple of years ago, I think she might have driven me batty, but nowadays, I'm pretty much ok with characters like that.

 

As for Dorian, even he says Mother Giselle at least means well, and if the Inquisitor gets all huffy about it, he teases them for not being politically astute.  She's not entirely wrong; having a Tevinter mage at your side isn't good PR.  But neither of my PCs gave a flying f*** about it, and I like to headcanon that my Lavellan dissolved into a fit of hysterical giggles over the "rumors" about her and Dorian.  No rumors about Solas, the guy she just kissed in the Fade and has followed around like a puppy since Haven 

 

My Lavellan was firmly in the "I don't believe in gods" camp, even toward the Dalish pantheon.  She thought there was so much myth bound up in all of it (the Maker, the Creators, even the Stone) that there was really no point arguing, and this world was more important than the next.  She...has to amend that attitude a little after meeting Mythal, though, and probably again after realizing she was hopping into bed with the Dread Wolf.  There's something to be said for humility 

[Valeria Lavellan]

You're right, that quote alone suggests to me that the gods and the bodies they appeared in were not their own. Including Solas.

 

It is a very good quote, but wouldn't that put in the fact that mythal no longer had her own body and she's using flemeth's, meaning that her body decays like any other humans. Weren't ancient elves immortal? 

[Colonelkillabee]

Why is that Christianity is the only religion ever vilified? I'm not saying their completely innocent, but can the Muslims share in the blame a little?
 

Or a lot, lol. They certainly cannot take any sort of high road at all whatsoever.

[Colonelkillabee]

It is a very good quote, but wouldn't that put in the fact that mythal no longer had her own body and she's using flemeth's, meaning that her body decays like any other humans. Weren't ancient elves immortal? 

Immortal but they couldn't all shapeshift, if the text about the man taking form of a dragon and it being a great crime is anything to go off of.