Now, TV Christianity is Catholicism (of a sort). Writers can't resist all of the costumes and rituals and big ol' stained glass windows. That's why the Chantry is based off of the Catholic church, most likely.
They even have a trope for it.
But yeah. Any religion with easier visual cues ends up being the 'dominant' face of whatever group it is.
Ehhh, it varies a lot. Catholicism is rather distinct from, say, the Baptist churches. Or Mormons. And then you've got your Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists...
Now, TV Christianity is Catholicism (of a sort). Writers can't resist all of the costumes and rituals and big ol' stained glass windows. That's why the Chantry is based off of the Catholic church, most likely.
They all vary in many ways, but they're still Christianity.
I like how you coordinated to choose fanarts that involve kissing so it looks like a set.
Heh, I coordinated a set of fanart of them holding each other too. I posted them before, but they're amazing and deserve to be posted again:
http://lynxfelidae.d...e-now-502942451
http://lithiel.devia...Halla-503305661
NSFW:
Oh, F*CK NO!!
They had BETTER NOT do that!
If we can spare F*CKING LOGHAIN, and the ARCHITECT, and ANDERS, and Abelas, we can spare Solas!
If they force us to kill Solas, I am calling such BULLSH*T and racist ethnocentrism. There is no excuse, considering what other morally grey anti-villains with dubious motivations we were allowed to spare in the past!
EDIT: Sorry for my vehement response. I'm not mad at you. I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare did that, and I don't blame you for guessing it. I just... really, really, really hope we won't!
I agree with you for all those reasons. I twould be totally ridiculous for BW to make us kill him and let all the other ****-lords live(though I maintain Architecht is not a ****-lord but a cool dude). I want happiness - I want everyone's AU post-game Solavellan fantasies to come true.
But the sad ending is just so dramatic - at least the way it plays out in my head. And I'm just trying to set myself up for the worst case scenario so if it happens I won't be so upset.
Heh, I coordinated a set of fanart of them holding each other too. I posted them before, but they're amazing and deserve to be posted again:
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Second image: It's like he scrapped the legs right off his torso. Third one is nice.
Yea people disagree, but if you ask me, one would have to ignore history to consider them outside Christianity. I know some Catholics who are even offended at the notion, and I personally consider them Christian, despite the differences. There's a lot of branches of christianity that are very different as well.
Like Orthodox Christians. A good bit different.
Oh I misinterpreted your comment
Oh I misinterpreted your comment
Oh, lol. What'd you think I meant?
Is their existence confirmed? Angels don't have any, I don't know about gods though.
I don't know, but he can pee so maybe he has a penis.
I am sorry, dear. I'm only using them because I studied European history at Uni (as it was pretty much the only historical option I had, sadly). I do not yet know enough about Middle Eastern, Eastern, African or Ancient American histories to be able to make an argument without getting something so terribly, terribly wrong.
But Muslims not being vilified? Have you seen what's being done in America since 9/11? Did you hear about the Australia Day Riots in Sydney a few years ago? Islamists are causing havock and innocents are dying on both sides as a result.
But this is getting out of hand now, so... *sighs* As my final word for the night on this topic (as it is 3.15 AM here) I'm just going to say to read my tagline. I came up with this during my high school humanities thesis on the comparative representations of various religions in popular culture. It fit at the time, and it seems to now.
"In the darkness all is the same, all is equal. It is the light which casts the shadow, and turns to evil that which simply was."
Meaning that someone is always going to be seen as evil, regardless of whether they are or not. It all depends on an individual's perspective.
Yeah, sorry, no happy screenie to distract from the parrellels of religions within the real and DA worlds. I suggest we scroll back up and look at Janesutin's and admire the textures on Solas' shirt, cause frankly they're gorgeous.
Oh, lol. What'd you think I meant?
I thought you were saying that catholicism is christianity rather than catholicism is a part of christianity. ie orthadox and protestants are irrelevant
Or die together in a sad way that non of them accomplish anything.
Dying together is the tragic romance trope that I don't think BioWare has done yet (except in KOTOR, and that had to be restored via mod, I think). Oh god, if they do that with Solas and Lavellan...I will just be a fountain of tears. And then I will write all the AU fic because there *has* to be some world in which they can be happy and together.
Lol naked elf chicks... me like 
Awesome fan art indeed. And they don't make Solas look weird either in those. Like Cassandra, I find that a lot of people really misrepresent those two sometimes, making cass look too manly, or solas look too... I don't know. I guess it's difficult to nail his look though.
I thought you were saying that catholicism is christianity rather than catholicism is a part of christianity. ie orthadox and protestants are irrelevant
Ohh I gotcha. No not that 
I like your theory about the blight being a hybrid pathogen/cancer. Since Origins I had thought the blight was supposed to be a plague of some sort. But the red lyrium adds another dimension. It does behave like a cancer, which had been contained up until recently, but is now rapidly spreading. In real life there are bacteria/viruses known to cause cancer.
The thing that is disturbing is how Solas claims the blight isn't natural. Which points to the idea what it may have been created for some nefarious purpose. An ancient biological weapon that was buried deep underground, perhaps. My thoughts are, given Mythal's status as an Earth/Nature themed goddess, I'm guessing this what Mythal/Flemeth seeks revenge for (possibly what she meant by "as the world was betrayed"), and part of whatever her ultimate plan/goal was.
Oh thank you for this!! In my classes we always cover either cancer or viruses, they (unfortunately!) never seem to talk about how both can interact. So I was worried my "both cancer and a virus" like thing was going to be a bit iffy. This makes me happy that maybe I wasn't totally crazy for suggesting something that has aspects of both.
And yeah the red lyrium is also what kind of caused me to look at it like a cancer, which I wanted to go into but I haven't totally worked out a good explanation for yet. The use of the blight as a biological weapon buried deep underground is also really intriguing, perhaps that's why whenever someone goes deep underground they get infected and why the old gods who are down there are so deformed and corrupted? It works so efficiently from what we've seen- the spread rate, both through the body and between people. I'm still a little confused about how contagious it is though, because Hawk was around darkspawn a lot and was covered in their blood (along with the rest of the party) and they never got the disease. Yet people in the rest of the DA universe (Crestwood) seem to imply its really contagious. Although, if it was designed to be weaponized that implies someone created it, or at least altered it. Which might also hopefully imply that there might be a cure?
My background isn't in science, but the blight also reminds me of a third thing : parasites. Some, like toxoplasmosis are said to be responsible for changes in the human brain bringing about more agressive and risk-taking behaviors. In ants, a brain fungus will cause them to seek the highest leaves they can find to die on : http://en.wikipedia....ps_unilateralis while another parasite will also affect them in a way that changes their behavior completely http://video.nationa...tes_flukelarvae.
So... could the blight be some kind of parasitic disease? Or an hybrid thereof?
Oh I like that idea! I unfortunately don't know much about parasites besides the most basic concepts but I really like the idea of blight being a parasitic organism that lives inside people. That could kind of fit in to Caddius' idea that the blight is one large organism type of thing. The brain is so complex, and I've noticed that small changes in the brain (disease, chemical imbalance, trauma, etc) all can cause drastic changes in behavior / cognition / etc. These symptoms shown by the blight could be caused by so many different things, and I just wish it was possible to experiment on one of them so I could start ruling things out! I'm weird, aren't I?
Ha! That's amazing. As someone who was raised Catholic, I find TV Christianity endlessly amusing. So many nuns! Though I've gotta applaud Bioware for ladyjesus. Hadn't seen that one before.
That is a common question if you are bilingual. Everyone wants to learn the curse words first.
Exactly. In French class those were the first things everyone memorized. Funny enough, they're all really religion-based (especially the Quebecois ones), similarly to "Maker's breath" and "Andraste's [insert body part here]". English curses are much more based on bodily functions.
I mostly meant Hollywood. I watch too much TV, and 9/10 whenever religion is brought up (or something symbolizing religion) Christianity is always portrayed negatively.
Dennis Miler's quote about every group having assholes sums up my feelings
And now I'm done because I'm not trying to start something.
Oh, I'm sorry dear, i thought you meant IRL. I'm sorry, that was my mistake.
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Cassandra's very open minded and tolerant, so this is a bit hard on her. She's still Andrastian and the temple is WTF is this even for a Dalish elf, so I don't mind that she's skeeved out by it, especially if you go through some ritual you don't even understand. If companions bent to your every whim, they wouldn't be as interesting.
Cassandra's also being open minded in suggesting the Maker and Dalish religions are compatible. That would be a nigh heretical belief in some Andrastian circles- check out the inscriptions in the Dales, for instance.
Sorry, it sounds to me like you're being more intolerant of Cass in this case than the other way around. The Herald bit, that's mostly game convention. The game has to use a title.
"Why are we bothering with this heathen nonsense?"
It sounds like she doesn't have much respect or tolerance for the elven religion to me.
While she is being more open-minded than most Andrastians in suggesting the Maker and Dalish religions are compatible, it kind of loses its punch when you remember the Chantry has demonized and outlawed the Dalish religion (as "heathen," a mentality to which she subscribes), which she seems to conveniently forget. She also only suggests compatible worship for a Dalish Herald to do, but never once does she entertain the possibility of adding the elven gods to the "One God" she believes in or worships, or suggest the Chantry add the elven gods to their recognized numbers. Apparently "there is not room among your god/gods for one more?" only applies to the non-Andrastian elf to make room for the Maker (her god), but it doesn't have to apply to Andrastians making room for elven gods.
P.S. I strongly like and respect Cassandra, so I'm not bashing her or saying she's a terrible person. I like her as a character, and my Inquisitor grew to trust her as much as any of her advisers. Among the companions, by the post-Corypheus celebration party, I feel Cassandra was one of two of my Dalish Inquisitor's closest friends and most trusted allies (the other being Dorian) despite their differences in beliefs and problem-solving (and I do like how Cassandra respects and stands by you even if she doesn't agree with you), so I'm not ripping on her at all. By the same token though... I kind of feel like, "Let's be real."
Has anyone else ever responded to Solas during Sera's prank quest? I couldn't resist doing it once I (finally) got Sera to ask my Inquisitor to play pranks on people because it was just really in-character for her... He basically just said "oh, all right then" and then Sera got kind of pouty about it, haha. (Here it is, if you haven't seen it!)
"Why are we bothering with this heathen nonsense?"
Lulz were had when she said that. Though I believe this was said when you were doing the puzzles right? She wanted to hurry up and jump down the hole, because Cassandra is a boss ****** and isn't afraid to fight some ancient sleeping beauties, LOL.
Seriously tho, can't always get on someone for something they said under stress. She just didn't want to fail, and thought wasting time on that heathen nonsense would endanger the mission.
Has anyone else ever responded to Solas during Sera's prank quest? I couldn't resist doing it once I (finally) got Sera to ask my Inquisitor to play pranks on people because it was just really in-character for her... He basically just said "oh, all right then" and then Sera got kind of pouty about it, haha. (Here it is, if you haven't seen it!)
Yea, personally I thought it was funnier to respond, lol. Using your power to dismiss him so you can complete some silly prank? Scandalous! Didn't think running off like a child was the "correct" option for her, but with Sera, always pick the option that doesn't make sense...
You know, if you actually give a damn about her liking you, that is.
This is how it plays in my head. That we'll have to kill him. It's a very upsetting thought, but even if he's "redeemed" at the end, it'll be too late. He'll have set things in motion to the point where we may have to kill him just to stop badness. I don't think we'll even have an option. That's the realist in me talking and I think it would make for a better story. On the othetr hand the optimist in me hopes we get the "Stranger Than Fiction" ending. Happy ending.
Leaving if he lives or dies a player choice means Solas will be another OGB, he might be mentioned, given some screen time but he'll never be important. But that might be a different matter to whether his plan succeeds in Wolf Hunt or not. It might like with Anders where the Chantry will always explode but what happens to Anders himself is up to Hawke.
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I agree with you for all those reasons. I twould be totally ridiculous for BW to make us kill him and let all the other ****-lords live(though I maintain Architecht is not a ****-lord but a cool dude). I want happiness - I want everyone's AU post-game Solavellan fantasies to come true.
But the sad ending is just so dramatic - at least the way it plays out in my head. And I'm just trying to set myself up for the worst case scenario so if it happens I won't be so upset.
Oh, yeah. I don't blame you. Expect the worst so it won't hurt as much if it happens, and anything that's still sad but still better than what you expected will seem happy by comparison. I got'cha. 
Oh, I'm sorry dear, i thought you meant IRL. I'm sorry, that was my mistake.
*waves team optimism flag*
For the current conversation: I'm not sure what I believe when it comes to religion, and I liked being able to transfer that over to Terrwyn.
I recently completed In Your Heart Shall Burn, and I'm trying to expand Terrwyn's personality and background more. So, when talking to Mother Giselle I chose "Fanatical belief is to blame", and Terrwyn said something along the lines of: "Belief in the next world is what lead us to this. We need to start believing in this world."
I really liked that. She's not sure what to believe, especially since her interest in her own pantheon is mainly academic; she just knows that beliefs her people uphold are filled with holes or missing, and the Chantry has warped the Chant to keep other races out and make mages appear to be monsters - now Cory wants to be a god, and it's tearing the world apart even more. So when all these belief systems have failed her line of thinking, she looks to rational, real solutions instead of prayer, or songs, or gods locked away or a god that no longer cares.
I guess that's why I headcanon that she hates blaspheming, but she slips up now and then because of where she was raised.
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