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[Elven_Glory]

Oh, F*CK NO!!

They had BETTER NOT do that!

If we can spare F*CKING LOGHAIN, and the ARCHITECT, and ANDERS, and Abelas, we can spare Solas!

If they force us to kill Solas, I am calling such BULLSH*T and racist ethnocentrism. There is no excuse, considering what other morally grey anti-villains with dubious motivations we were allowed to spare in the past!

EDIT: Sorry for my vehement response. I'm not mad at you. I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare did that, and I don't blame you for guessing it. I just... really, really, really hope we won't!

I'm with you on that. I don't think my Lavellan has the capacity to kill Solas. If we can't go with him, I'm hoping there is at least a hidden option B where we can let him go do his thing, but at least it will be an informed decision this time instead of him just saying "okay, it's been fun but I have to go save and/or destroy the world now." And leaving you hanging with a thousand unanswered questions.

[Sah291]

Oh thank you for this!! In my classes we always cover either cancer or viruses, they (unfortunately!) never seem to talk about how both can interact.  So I was worried my "both cancer and a virus" like thing was going to be a bit iffy.  This makes me happy that maybe I wasn't totally crazy for suggesting something that has aspects of both.
 
And yeah the red lyrium is also what kind of caused me to look at it like a cancer, which I wanted to go into but I haven't totally worked out a good explanation for yet. The use of the blight as a biological weapon buried deep underground is also really intriguing, perhaps that's why whenever someone goes deep underground they get infected and why the old gods who are down there are so deformed and corrupted? It works so efficiently from what we've seen- the spread rate, both through the body and between people. I'm still a little confused about how contagious it is though, because Hawk was around darkspawn a lot and was covered in their blood (along with the rest of the party) and they never got the disease.  Yet people in the rest of the DA universe (Crestwood) seem to imply its really contagious.  Although, if it was designed to be weaponized that implies someone created it, or at least altered it.  Which might also hopefully imply that there might be a cure?

According to David Gaider (I remember him saying this in an interview once) the only reason Hawke and the other non Warden companions are so resistant to the taint while running around in the deep roads is just plot armor. Just like player mages are resistant to demon possession and blood magic, even though it seems like it's so easy for nearly every other mage we meet to succumb to. We are the protagonist and an exception. So I guess we can head canon we are just very special, resistant or have an immunity or something, lol. So yes I think we can assume it's supposed to be highly contagious for most people.

[mythlover20]

"Why are we bothering with this heathen nonsense?"

 

It sounds like she doesn't have much respect or tolerance for the elven religion to me. 

 

While she is being more open-minded than most Andrastians in suggesting the Maker and Dalish religions are compatible, it kind of loses its punch when you remember the Chantry has demonized and outlawed the Dalish religion (as "heathen," a mentality to which she subscribes), which she seems to conveniently forget. She also only suggests compatible worship for a Dalish Herald to do, but never once does she entertain the possibility of adding the elven gods to the "One God" she believes in or worships, or suggest the Chantry add the elven gods to their recognized numbers. Apparently "there is not room among your god/gods for one more?" only applies to the non-Andrastian elf to make room for the Maker (her god), but it doesn't have to apply to Andrastians making room for elven gods.

 

P.S. I strongly like and respect Cassandra, so I'm not bashing her or saying she's a terrible person. I like her as a character, and my Inquisitor grew to trust her as much as any of her advisers. Among the companions, by the post-Corypheus celebration party, I feel Cassandra was one of two of my Dalish Inquisitor's closest friends and most trusted allies (the other being Dorian), so I'm not ripping on her at all. By the same token though... I kind of feel like, "Let's be real."

Exactly! Most monotheists, regarless of the particular religion they follow, are not open to the idea of polytheism. At best they ignore it. At worst, they butcher it. And then there is the middle ground which turns our gods into this:



My reaction:

Now this genuinely pisses me off. Yes I have watched the movies - I like to form my own opinions, not latch on to others', and I absolutely LOVE the Iron Man films. RDJ with that goatee... hmmm    - but this... My ancestors are still being portrayed as brainless barbarians in a lot of the world, and now our gods are being turned into an international joke. And it is not by any means the first time. The mere fact that I was able to write a thesis on this alone while I was still in high school should be evidence enough.

Not everyone does it: not by any means (bolded so this clause won't be overlooked) but it happens enough for it to be a massive problem.

To get it back to DA...

...

Actually i've lost my train of thought now. Damn RDJ and his sexy goatee.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't think my Lavellan has the capacity to kill Solas. If we can't go with him, I'm hoping there is at least a hidden option B where we can let him go do his thing, but at least it will be an informed decision this time instead of him just saying "okay, it's been fun but I have to go save and/or destroy the world now." And leaving you hanging with a thousand unanswered questions.

 

Mine does   It was Solas, after all, who taught her a painful lesson about placing the needs of the many over the needs of the few.  So if she had to stand against him for Thedas and honestly believed what he was doing was too destructive, she would.  And if she had no way of stopping him except killing him, she definitely would take that shot.

 

OK.  Writing fluff now.  Need something to counteract all the sad feels.

[Lorien19]

"Why are we bothering with this heathen nonsense?"

It sounds like she doesn't have much respect or tolerance for the elven religion to me.

While she is being more open-minded than most Andrastians in suggesting the Maker and Dalish religions are compatible, it kind of loses its punch when you remember the Chantry has demonized and outlawed the Dalish religion (as "heathen," a mentality to which she subscribes), which she seems to conveniently forget. She also only suggests compatible worship for a Dalish Herald to do, but never once does she entertain the possibility of adding the elven gods to the "One God" she believes in or worships, or suggest the Chantry add the elven gods to their recognized numbers. Apparently "there is not room among your god/gods for one more?" only applies to the non-Andrastian elf to make room for the Maker (her god), but it doesn't have to apply to Andrastians making room for elven gods.

P.S. I strongly like and respect Cassandra, so I'm not bashing her or saying she's a terrible person. I like her as a character, and my Inquisitor grew to trust her as much as any of her advisers. Among the companions, by the post-Corypheus celebration party, I feel Cassandra was one of two of my Dalish Inquisitor's closest friends and most trusted allies (the other being Dorian) despite their differences in beliefs and problem-solving (and I do like how Cassandra respects and stands by you even if she doesn't agree with you), so I'm not ripping on her at all. By the same token though... I kind of feel like, "Let's be real."

Ugh,I like Cassandra as a character but I must admit that her attitude towards Elven religion was rather off-putting.
However she tries to be tolerant and open-minded so I'll give her that.
This is why I prefer Leliana's or Dorian's approach to Andrastianism.
I have pagan/wiccan friends IRL,so I understand their perspective and I'd hate to impose my views on them or disrespect their religious customs and they wouldn't do it either.But as a the minority it would be worse imo if the first happened.Diversity should be encouraged in every aspect.

[Ajna]

*shakes head*

[Addai]

While she is being more open-minded than most Andrastians in suggesting the Maker and Dalish religions are compatible, it kind of loses its punch when you remember the Chantry has demonized and outlawed the Dalish religion (as "heathen," a mentality to which she subscribes), which she seems to conveniently forget. She also only suggests compatible worship for a Dalish Herald to do, but never once does she entertain the possibility of adding the elven gods to the "One God" she believes in or worships, or suggest the Chantry add the elven gods to their recognized numbers. Apparently "there is not room among your god/gods for one more?" only applies to the non-Andrastian elf to make room for the Maker (her god), but it doesn't have to apply to Andrastians making room for elven gods.

I don't see her as suggesting that you convert, rather that you allow mentally for the idea of there being another god or even just another force at work. She's talking about the apparently miraculous nature of your survival- you did what no one has done since the magisters and instead of turning darkspawn, you're sane and helping put the world back together. The Andrastians have to come to terms somehow with you, and it's comforting for her if you validate her faith.

And yeah, none of your other companions validate the traditional Dalish beliefs, except Solas confirming some of the general tenets. They're not even particularly interested. It's harsh, but someone being sent alone to a Chantry conclave shouldn't really have expected that anyway, right?
 

Would Cassandra really feel you shouldn't bother with this "nonsense," feel you should ignore showing respect for the place by bursting through like a common raider, show contempt for Andraste's worship? I... rather doubt it.

Honestly, considering the consequences of what will happen if Corypheus reaches the well before you do, it's kind of stupid to delay even for an elven PC. But I handwave it.

[Colonelkillabee]

The problem is: would she still say something like that if it was an Andrastian temple you need to bust through?

 

Let's pretend the Breach didn't open over the Temple of Sacred Ashes. It still stands and is left alone through most of the game, and then the endgame quest had you chasing an enemy through the temple. They blasted a hole in the wall and ran right on through to bystep all the puzzles the Warden had to endure the first game, but the glory of Andraste's memory is all around you, and several reverent Andrastian characters want to show proper respect for the place by solving the puzzles instead of desecrating sacred ground by ignoring the rituals and bursting through Andraste's temple like common raiders.

 

Would Cassandra really feel you shouldn't bother with this "nonsense," feel you should ignore showing respect for the place by bursting through like a common raider, show contempt for Andraste's worship? I... rather doubt it.

Lets put it this way. I say all sorts of things in anger that I probably shouldn't. For instance, calling women bitches. Actually, I do this even when not angered, lol, and it offends people all the time. But most people get the context of when I use it. In anger though, obviously the context is different.

 

Then there's calling someone a p ussy and so on.

 

Now, I know I'm not the only one that does this. I don't hate women because of it and it doesn't reflect how I feel about women at all.

[mythlover20]

Okay, I'm caught up now.

My lavellen won't hurt Solas either. She would be very sad, but she would expect a sit down, and an explaination. She will probably also end up joining him.

So... is it wrong for me to want Quizzie to join up with Solas and for them to be the big bads in the next game?

Well, so long as we get the option (if we're elves) to meet them, talk to them, then look back at our companions, throw down our arms, and go join Fen'Harel and Lavellan... yeah, i'd go for that. It won't happen, but I'd go for it.

Hmm... sounds like a fanfic idea to me. Damn it! I've already got too many!

[Elven_Glory]

I agree with you for all those reasons. I twould be totally ridiculous for BW to make us kill him and let all the other ****-lords live(though I maintain Architecht is not a ****-lord but a cool dude). I want happiness - I want everyone's AU post-game Solavellan fantasies to come true.

But the sad ending is just so dramatic - at least the way it plays out in my head. And I'm just trying to set myself up for the worst case scenario so if it happens I won't be so upset.

Another thing occurs to me, as someone with a degree in psychology. Another thing that the devs may have to think about is how many of us may need counseling (okay, actually saying that sounds kind of ridiculous because it is "just a game" but this is a real world legal issue and some people--including myself--get really emotionally invested in good story telling). How much of that do you think is going to matter when it comes down to the romance between Solas and Lavellan. I almost feel like they would have to include a "way out" (or rather a way back in) to the Solas romance for the people who might need IRL counseling. For legal reasons. Which still kind of sounds silly, but also it's a real thing.

Edited for fixing autocorrect. Stupid autocorrect... Although, calling the devs "the devistating" may not be such a misnomer.

[Lorien19]

Mine does It was Solas, after all, who taught her a painful lesson about placing the needs of the many over the needs of the few. So if she had to stand against him for Thedas and honestly believed what he was doing was too destructive, she would. And if she had no way of stopping him except killing him, she definitely would take that shot.

OK. Writing fluff now. Need something to counteract all the sad feels.

I agree,although I hope it doesn't have to come to this.
Killing off Solas would be a crime(and I'm not saying that because he's my favourite character in the series, alongside Morrigan)unless it's the last game and it's more bittersweet than a simple kill the big bad kind of fight.

[jellobell]

Now this genuinely pisses me off. Yes I have watched the movies - I like to form my own opinions, not latch on to others', and I absolutely LOVE the Iron Man films. RDJ with that goatee... hmmm    - but this... My ancestors are still being portrayed as brainless barbarians in a lot of the world, and now our gods are being turned into an international joke. And it is not by any means the first time. The mere fact that I was able to write a thesis on this alone while I was still in high school should be evidence enough.

Well...the Norse gods of the Marvel mythos aren't pretending to be the least bit accurate to actual Norse mythology. They're a re-interpretation of a text. Re-interpretations of texts are as old as stories themselves. And the thing is, this happens with every mythology, even Christian mythology. We argued about this exact thing a while back except with regards to depictions of Satan/Lucifer in Milton's Paradise Lost. Catholicism gets reinterpreted all the time in media, based on the needs of the writer. That doesn't take away from actual Catholic practices any more than a silly summer blockbuster takes away from the myths it's partially based on.

[Moondreamer01]

Oh thank you for this!! In my classes we always cover either cancer or viruses, they (unfortunately!) never seem to talk about how both can interact.  So I was worried my "both cancer and a virus" like thing was going to be a bit iffy.  This makes me happy that maybe I wasn't totally crazy for suggesting something that has aspects of both.

 

And yeah the red lyrium is also what kind of caused me to look at it like a cancer, which I wanted to go into but I haven't totally worked out a good explanation for yet. The use of the blight as a biological weapon buried deep underground is also really intriguing, perhaps that's why whenever someone goes deep underground they get infected and why the old gods who are down there are so deformed and corrupted? It works so efficiently from what we've seen- the spread rate, both through the body and between people. I'm still a little confused about how contagious it is though, because Hawk was around darkspawn a lot and was covered in their blood (along with the rest of the party) and they never got the disease.  Yet people in the rest of the DA universe (Crestwood) seem to imply its really contagious.  Although, if it was designed to be weaponized that implies someone created it, or at least altered it.  Which might also hopefully imply that there might be a cure?  

 

 

Oh I like that idea!  I unfortunately don't know much about parasites besides the most basic concepts but I really like the idea of blight being a parasitic organism that lives inside people.  That could kind of fit in to Caddius' idea that the blight is one large organism type of thing.  The brain is so complex, and I've noticed that small changes in the brain (disease, chemical imbalance, trauma, etc) all can cause drastic changes in behavior / cognition / etc.  These symptoms shown by the blight could be caused by so many different things, and I just wish it was possible to experiment on one of them so I could start ruling things out! I'm weird, aren't I?

You and Dagna would get along well! I love all the theories, and I got a feeling the Blight will become very important again soon. The full circle back to Origins.

 

Edit : Dang. Top of the page. Here, have a Solas:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Source : http://www.deviantar...-arms-503169598

 

[Mims]

My Lavellan absolutely would kill Solas if he posed a threat. She'd still love him, but she's not going to let love get in the way of her protecting others. 

 

I think she's sort of an all or nothing kind of person. If she actually thought Solas was a danger to the world, she'd probably be one of those people that would then embark on a quest to either convince him off his path or find a way to destroy him. There's no middle ground. It would probably destroy a lot of herself in the process, but if that's the trade off for the world...

 

That said, I don't think it'll actually come to that. I think Solas may die, but I don't think the Inquisitor is going to be the one to kill him. 

[Colonelkillabee]

My Lavellan absolutely would kill Solas if he posed a threat. She'd still love him, but she's not going to let love get in the way of her protecting others. 

 

I think she's sort of an all or nothing kind of person. If she actually thought Solas was a danger to the world, she'd probably be one of those people that would then embark on a quest to either convince him off his path or find a way to destroy him. There's no middle ground. It would probably destroy a lot of herself in the process, but if that's the trade off for the world...

 

That said, I don't think it'll actually come to that. I think Solas may die, but I don't think the Inquisitor is going to be the one to kill him. 

I hope if he has to die that we are the ones to do it. Think about how memorable that would be. Deh feelzz. Even for people not romancing him, since he's a bro to me. I wouldn't want to kill him if I could avoid it. The way he says "My friend" when I go up to him is so sincere, lol.

[Elven_Glory]

Mine does It was Solas, after all, who taught her a painful lesson about placing the needs of the many over the needs of the few. So if she had to stand against him for Thedas and honestly believed what he was doing was too destructive, she would. And if she had no way of stopping him except killing him, she definitely would take that shot.

OK. Writing fluff now. Need something to counteract all the sad feels.

See here is the thing about my Lavellan. She can say no to anyone. ANYONE. Except Solas. She was fairly good about not allowing her friends to kill people needlessly, but when it came to Solas and his "these mages need to die" rampage, she was like "well, I GUESS that's fair... I mean they did just turn his BFF into a demon and then inadvertently force him to kill it..."

And then when he broke up with her, yeah, she was mad at first, but then she forgave him. She knew the end was coming and that he would leave and she made him a new set of armor so that he would be safe. I mean she's still in love with the guy. That didn't change just because he broke it off with her. Of course, she could only reconcile that when she realized he was still in love with her, too. (In my headcanon, she gets super destructive after he breaks up with her, starts seeking out things to kill in order to subdue her anger, but she won't drink the health polstices, almost like she has just decided to resign herself to die, and then Solas gets really angry at her for allowing herself to get so near to death and she realizes he still cares very much for her, that there is some obstacle in his path preventing him from being with her... Something other than her and she lets go of her anger at that point)

Besides, he makes her go all melty and tingly at the same time.

[Wheels]

I guess it really depends  on the situation, how Solas presents his plan to Lavellan, and the consequences.

I can't really see mine killing him right now. Also, what ever he plans doesn't strike me as something that would just kill everyone or destroy the world or something. Change it, sure, but that doesn't have to be something bad, who knows...? *optimism*

 

And now switching to pessimism:

I actually expect that his plan will fire anyway, no matter what we do, and that it will cost his life. If he lives through whatever his plan is, it might be up to us to decide if he has to pay for it or not. And this is something my Lavellan will certainly not do. Damage is done, no need for more blood.

 

Why can we never have nice things? Dragon Age: The game that makes me feel as if everything I touch explodes within seconds.

*sigh*

[Oswin]

So I just did Champions of the Just with my new Fem Lavellan and am totally confused by Cassandra. 

When talking to Barrus, she started talking about how the Order was ruined and how we didn't need it, we only needed the Templars. It made it sound like she was all in favour of disbanding it and starting again.

So naturally I thought she'd approve when I told them to disband and serve the Inquisition.

 

- Cassandra Disapproves

 

 

It's like Solas and the damn well. Don't drink from it, but don't let Morrigan drink from it, but also don't destroy it.

 

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME!?

 

As for the whole could my Lavellan kill Solas?

She is sharpening her murderknife already.

I decided to put myself in her shoes and see how I'd feel to RP with. Yeah. I'd feel used. This guy wanted the orb, got close to the one woman who could get it for him and then buggered off the moment he realised his plan had failed. I always think the worst of people, so in that situation I would not come to any conclusion other than 'ah, I was used and thrown away.' Hence my emo endgame Lavellan was born. Think, less Taylor Swift and a lot more MCR in terms of the music I'm picking out for her thoughts on Solas.

SHE IS NOT OK.

 

Still, she's not unreasonable. She will listen to him. But if he poses any threat to the world she has just risked so much to save? Her bitter heart will get even more so and she will kill him.

 

Then she should totally go meet up with my Mahariel and high five over both having killed their own Gods. SUCH GOOD DALISH THEY ARE.

 

 

 

[Mims]

I hope if he has to die that we are the ones to do it. Think about how memorable that would be. Deh feelzz. Even for people not romancing him, since he's a bro to me. I wouldn't want to kill him if I could avoid it. The way he says "My friend" when I go up to him is so sincere, lol.

 

I doubt Bioware would ever make a situation where we are forced to kill a sympathetic character, unless that character has 'died' some sort of mental death. I can't think of a single character we've been forced to kill who was portrayed in a positive light at some point. Even Saren offs himself before you 'kill' him, removing the blood [so to speak] from the player character's hands. 

 

My guess is it'll be one of the following:

 

- Solas is an Architect like character, and you either agree with him or disagree and fight as a side boss.

- Solas heroic sacrifices himself for some cause. 

 

Not that I think he will die, or anything. Just if he does, they'd probably set it up like that rather than to force the PC's hand. 

[jellobell]

If Bioware makes us kill him then that would be the sh*ttiest thing they've ever done. I'd probably just put my controller down and walk away.

 

I mean, they've never made us kill an LI before. Even Anders could be spared. We didn't even have to kill the Architect! And he was the one who started the 5th blight!

 

Why spend a whole game making us sympathize with him, even giving him a romance path to show just how lonely and earnest he is, just to make us kill him off? Bioware are many things, but they're not sadists.

[RynJ]

On top of hoping that we don't have to kill Solas, I more hope that bringing back some strength to the elves isn't just presented as a bad thing that must be stopped. I understand why the elves have been presented as not so great and their past and present as pretty dismal, for realism purposes and to make them more interesting, but I don't want them to wander full on into "screw the elves and everything about them" territory. That will happen if their "gods" like Solas and Mythal are just up to no good plain and simple. So many people already hate the elves as a faction because of the attitude of the Dalish and even I have to admit that I liked them least out of every faction in Thedas previously.

 

I just worry that any attempt at bettering the race or strengthening them will be the "bad" decision and that it's better for them to just stop trying to differentiate/isolate themselves and start getting along with humans. I'm all for having the races come together and stop being antagonistic to each other (without giving up their respective cultures, of course), but I just feel like the onus is on humans to start this, since they're the ones that push down other races. Not for the elfy elves to just stop being jerks and recognize their own stupidity, as Sera would put it.

[Colonelkillabee]

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Moral of the story is do what you want to do, not what makes your teammates happy

 

Though conscripting the mages gets the most consistently positive response from her.

[HurricaneGinger]

Like Faerunner said: Nope. If Solas has to die I'm calling bullshit. If there's the option to kill him, like with Anders, Morrigan, Loghain, etc, then I'm all for it. To change that now...nope. I would be very displeased. BioWare would receive a very long, strongly worded letter from a little Southern redheaded white girl.

 

[WildSky214]

My Lavellan could kill him if it came down to it, but only as a last resort.

And she is definitely not the type to wallow when he leaves. She's the Inquisitor, and there is a crisis every five minutes. She doesn't have time to cry and listen to Cydi Lauper:D