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Ahh, I think I get it.

 

Descriptions of the Archdemons as being "maddened" by blight makes that seem like an unsatisfying fit to me, but I can see where you're coming from.  Personally, "sundered" sounds like a more likely reference to being sundered from the original Song of Creation via taint.  Red lyrium, and the Blight that the Magisters crafted from it, is a new Song- one that was fundamentally split from the original.  I don't think being blighted is their objective, but admittedly, evidence is thin either way.

More evidence to suggest being blighted is their goal is the text you find in the western approach next to a hole leading into the deep roads.

 

The grey wardens at one time were searching for the old gods, and they heard its song in their head. When they got closer, the ground shook and the tunnels collapsed. It was so loud that it was too dangerous to approach and they left. That shows the old gods are actively calling to tainted creatures.

 

edit: Because the song isn't of the blight, but coming directly from the old gods.



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I'll help out, instead of you Ajna (not wolfes but Puh's good too I think)

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-feel invoking post-

 

Oh my god, you almost made me cry.

I'm so sorry about your friend...


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Sister Squish: I am sorry. I hope you will get better. I am glad this place is good for you.

 

 

 

I think this is where we get into gameplay representation vs lore. Remember, what you see in dreams isn't always accurate. But every mention of lyrium in the fade I've seen has been referred to as some sort of liquid.

What do you mean, "is not accurate"? I do not really look that good?

Seriously, I did not mean to say it were not so. I just really do not know. I know of the lyrium veins in DAO because they were labled as such. But if it's not labled chances are I don't recognize it. The red lyrium always looks like steaming crystals to me, but I don't recall "normal" lyrium in the Fade. That's why I was really curious where I could see that liquid lyrium.


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That looks awesome. I hope we'll be able to play in Arlathan some time. I'd love to have some sort of prologue to the whole series.

That's almost as possible as meeting the maker



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Skyhold is elven in origin. I don't know if I'd say its apart of Arlathan, but I imagine it might have been an elven keep. It may have even been Fen'Harel's home. (...)

 

I like this idea and this thought crossed my mind also several times during the game, especially while reading the codex entries about Skyhold.

 

Imho, this place has definitely something to do with the big "lock out" of Fen'Harel - my headcanon is that Skyhold could be the place where the whole "trickery" took place.

I can't find yet good answers to the questions it raises though:

- why Solas offers Skyhold to the Inq? why mentions it's "her/his fortress" (if you read the letter on the paintings which can be found in his room), why decorates the room to depict the Inquisitor's actions particularly? For me it's somehow ritualistic and I can't stop thinking there is more to this to be developed in the future story.

- is there any bigger plan from his side on this, or is it just... a help for abandoned people, the last resource he could offer? Does the Dread Wolf prepares background for something much bigger in Skyhold, using the help and resources of the Inquisition?



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It would also explain Solas's desperation.  

 

- He has destroyed the elvhen empire and everything he set out to protect

- The elven gods figured a way to convince Tevinter magisters to enter the Black City, releasing the blight back into the open. Except now, there was no Fen'Harel to put a lid on the situation.

- Five [or four, if you did the dark ritual] gods have been fully corrupted and beyond saving

- Wake up. 

- You are still power drained from locking them up in the first place.

- ????? 

- Panic 

 

Indeed, with his other pantheon sealed away, they'd be unchallenged, while he and Mythal are fumbling around as half assed gods.

 

Until the ending of course.



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Until the ending of course.

 

Even then- he's at best one whole god, but more likely just ghost-Mythal powered. Does not look good! 


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Sister Squish: I am sorry. I hope you will get better. I am glad this place is good for you.

 

 

 

What do you mean, "is not accurate"? I do not really look that good?

Seriously, I did not mean to say it were not so. I just really do not know. I know of the lyrium veins in DAO because they were labled as such. But if it's not labled chances are I don't recognize it. The red lyrium always looks like steaming crystals to me, but I don't recall "normal" lyrium in the Fade. That's why I was really curious where I could see that liquid lyrium.

I'm confused at the underlined portion :lol:

 

It's fine if you don't think it's so. I don't really know either. I'm just saying in text, they refer to it as a liquid in relation to the fade and the maker. Not saying it's factual. It's the chantry after all...

 

I just like it because of the symbolism of it and red lyrium to blood and water.



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More evidence to suggest being blighted is their goal is the text you find in the western approach next to a hole leading into the deep roads.

 

The grey wardens at one time were searching for the old gods, and they heard its song in their head. When they got closer, the ground shook and the tunnels collapsed. It was so loud that it was too dangerous to approach and they left. That shows the old gods are actively calling to tainted creatures.

 

edit: Because the song isn't of the blight, but coming directly from the old gods.

 

That's not precisely evidence, though.  What it suggests is that they were getting close to something very, very big and very, very blighted.  (Assuming they can tell the difference between the Old Song and the New.  We have to give them that much credit, right?)   The potentially false assumption here is that what they were being drawn toward was an Archdemon.  But if it had been tainted, why wasn't it awake?  And if it hadn't been tainted, how was it blight-calling to them?

 

My guess is that it wasn't actually an Archdemon.  Could have been a primitive thaig overrun by cancerous red lyrium- a "lymph node" in terms of dwarves-as-immune system.  Could have been the literal heart of the Stone itself, if you're willing to assume they just hear tremendously loud Song and can't tell the difference. 

 

*shrugs*  But that's just my take on it.  Your mileage may vary.  



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I think if they don't take care of the blight, the Lyrium will all eventually be corrupted, cutting off magic from the world entirely.

Thats future Thedas, where nobody has any idea of what once exsisted.

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My bad, I should have clarified it was just a plain old god, not an archdemon. If it were, it singing wouldn't really be a big deal.

 

It was unblighted. In other words, the wardens attempted their plan before, but couldn't go through.

 

Though I figured it was clear from saying they wanted to be blighted.



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I think if they don't take care of the blight, the Lyrium will all eventually be corrupted, cutting off magic from the world entirely.

Thats future Thedas, where nobody has any idea of what once exsisted.


How depressing... Not somewhere I'd like to see...

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Can't wait..

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Tomorrow (4pm/16:00 EST) @ Google Hangout

 

edit: Here's Preparations you could do:

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How depressing... Not somewhere I'd like to see...


Nor I. I get fable flashbacks. Colonial thedas!

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Popping in because I literally just saw this and thought it may be helpful to the Blight-dissection discussion (sorry if old!); 

 

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source: http://irabelas.tumblr.com/

 

Also I'll be away for a few days! Have fun, maintain the blanketfort and be excellent to eachother Solasmancers!  :lol:

 

Leaving a previously withheld personal report of my Solas experience behind:

Spoiler

 

*stunned silence*

 

I.... can't... *tries to hug monitor*   ....this isn't working.   No, no, no.  


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Nor I. I get fable flashbacks. Colonial thedas!


Eurgh!
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#61218
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Indeed, with his other pantheon sealed away, they'd be unchallenged, while he and Mythal are fumbling around as half assed gods.

 

Until the ending of course.

Earlier, I m sure. Don't forget there's another one of them on the loose now.



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Earlier, I m sure. Don't forget there's another one of them on the loose now.

You mean an elven god? Which one?



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I think it's a shame that Solas wasn't there during the Wicked Grace scene. I wonder..did they invite him to play and he declined or did they not even bother?  He looks like he's having so much fun in this picture.

 

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I'm just saying in text, they refer to it as a liquid in relation to the fade and the maker.

 

I'm getting closer to my answer, I suppose: Who says so where? Maybe that liquid lyrium is important, I do not want to have missed it.



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Yep, that's what I think too. And as someone said, them finding the dreams also could mean they've reached the fade again, due to this blunder.

 

The grey wardens besides the hero of ferelden weren't helping a damn thing. That also explains Solas' reaction.

 

edit: Assuming you did the ritual.

 

If this is the case, then shouldn't Solas be happy the wardens are trying to kill the old gods *before* they're corrupted?

 

I mean, sure the actual plan wasn't gonna work cus Cory was ultimately behind it. But Solas seems to object to the idea of killing Old Gods at all. Or at least killing them in their sleep while untainted. He implies it will lead to unforseen consequences. 

 

Can't wait..

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Tomorrow (4pm EST) @ Google Hangout

It amuses me that no one in that crowd at the top of that pic looks happy. lol Solas is angst.


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You mean an elven god? Which one?

I don't know which. But the soul Kieran had in him, taken away by Mythal.

Sure, might be in Solas now but we do not know that.

And sure, maybe it was nothing because not every Warden had a child with Morrigan. But this seems a bit too important to be ignored in the story. If it was not Morrigan's child BioWare will find another explanation.



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My bad, I should have clarified it was just a plain old god, not an archdemon. If it were, it singing wouldn't really be a big deal.

 

It was unblighted. In other words, the wardens attempted their plan before, but couldn't go through.

 

Though I figured it was clear from saying they wanted to be blighted.

 

*blinks*

 

Wait.  You're saying you're starting from the assumption that the Archdemons and the Old Gods are not the same thing?

 

That's... ugh, a lot of back theory to have to write up to counter your foundation there.  Think I'm just going to leave it be.   


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I don't believe the wardens are trying to kill them before they are corrupted? They already know where the old gods are, but the area is always swarmed with Darkspawn. So they just wait until the corruption occurs.

 

[Regardless, I doubt killing the uncorrupted dragons would help much either unfortunately.]