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[Valeria Lavellan]

That's definitely easier said then done. Especially when it seems as if Solas took a huge risk and painful steps because he thought it would help the elven people have a brighter future. Only to find out that everything went up in flames and what's left of the elves considers him the evil force holding the matches. That has got to sting. After learning who Solas really was, I never questioned his anger towards the Dalish again. It probably comes from a place of enormous pain and guilt.

 

I imagine it would take a lot to get him to give up his agenda, as it probably should.  Hopefully his story-line turns out better than "PC beats the sense into elven god's thick, hairless skull".

It makes the dalish look like a bunch of thick headed ignorant elves that hate and only praise him to appease him. I'm sure he wouldn't care about people praising him, but to think that most of them hate him for something that's not true.  I don't blame him for being sad or annoyed when Morrigan was speaking about him in the temple. People see him as the villain when he's just a bundle of knowledge that the dalish are throwing away--not that they know who he really is.  I wonder if he has ever cried himself to sleep.

[CapricornSun]

I have a question that I would love to see an opinion and a why. 

 

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In the Mythal Temple, the well, did you guys drink from it or allowed a human (Morrigan) to take the power? It'll be nice to know why.

 

Edit: And my power I mean knowledge.

 

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This was a tough decision for me. On one hand, letting someone as shady as Morrigan drink it to obtain all that knowledge doesn't sound like a good idea. On the other hand, I didn't like the thought of letting my Lavellan being bound to the will of of an elven goddess, despite the fact that my Lavellan (who is wearing Mythal's vallaslin, mind you) is probably the more deserving between the two to inherit that knowledge.

 

In the end, I let Morrigan drink it. What can I say? That was my first playthrough and I really couldn't decide so I just picked one. I just headcanon that my Lavellan is just going to have to trust that Morrigan wouldn't put the knowledge of the well to nefarious use, and that Lavellan already had enough trouble having the Mark on her hand that she didn't want to have the voices in her head to mess her up more. (And yes, that meant she missed the chance to stare down a dragon.) Though looking back now, I'm thinking maybe she should have drank from the well. All that knowledge... Knowing my luck in Dragon Age games, that decision is probably gonna bite me in the butt in the future. I say bring it on! 

 

And to add, if it was my Mahariel who was presented that choice instead of Lavellan, she would definitely drink it! My Mahariel is a whatever-it-takes type of gal and a proud Dalish through and through.

[LliiraAnna]

This is exactly why he needs Lavellan. He was ready to just say **** it and leave it all benind for her and then he balked... when he probably would have been much better off if he had just let it go and stayed with her.

I don't think so. He's an idealist. Living with the knowledge that you could change things, set them right and correct your mistake, but chose not to, and being reminded of this every day... It's almost the same kind of torture as thinking about the cost and the consequences of the changes you want to bring. He was going to suffer either way.

 

Besides, Lav isn't immortal. If he manages to restore the elves, maybe she'll be. But seeing the one you love dying and knowing that you could at least try to prevent it? Not pleasant at all.

[laurelinvanyar]

This game has so many deeper meanings, it's getting ridiculous. 

 

I just made the connection that your quizzie could turn out to be the next Fen'harel. No matter how good your intentions, the inquisition is now a world power for better or worse. Who's to say the inquisition won't screw up the world in any number of possible ways (accidentally destroying the grey wardens, drinking the well, further destabilizing the chantry or orlais further down the road). 

[Elven_Glory]

It makes the dalish look like a bunch of thick headed ignorant elves that hate and only praise him to appease him. I'm sure he wouldn't care about people praising him, but to think that most of them hate him for something that's not true.  I don't blame him for being sad or annoyed when Morrigan was speaking about him in the temple. People see him as the villain when he's just a bundle of knowledge that the dalish are throwing away--not that they know who he really is.  I wonder if he has ever cried himself to sleep.

The conversation in here right now is re-breaking my love torn heart... but in a good way. I mean I already have a lot of love and respect for Solas, but this is totally giving his story a new perspective worthy of exploration.

[Ajna]

What I like the most is the Lavellan looks more mature than most I see. Most go for the younger ones, but it is kind of hard to make them look older.


LOL what's the coconut for?

It's a call to the other unicorn's

[Colonelkillabee]

It's a call to the other unicorn's

Unicorns love coconuts then. This is canon.

[Valeria Lavellan]

The conversation in here right now is re-breaking my love torn heart... but in a good way. I mean I already have a lot of love and respect for Solas, but this is totally giving his story a new perspective worthy of exploration.

 

I sometimes wondered how things would've gone if he actually told her. Bioware might give you the option to leave him because he's crazy, to giggle or not believe him but still be with him. It just saddens me how alone he really is.

[Elven_Glory]

I don't think so. He's an idealist. Living with the knowledge that you could change things, set them right and correct your mistake, but chose not to, and being reminded of this every day... It's almost the same kind of torture as thinking about the cost and the consequences of the changes you want to bring. He was going to suffer either way.
 
Besides, Lav isn't immortal. If he manages to restore the elves, maybe she'll be. But seeing the one you love dying and knowing that you could at least try to prevent it? Not pleasant at all.

I suppose, but it doesn't make me feel better about the whole situation. I mean the way he left was almost like "I'm destined to be eternally miserable, so you have to be miserable, too." And with no rhyme or reason as far as Lavellan is concerned. It's sort of a no win for Solas, which is even more heart wrenching because hIs choice was to either give up on something he deeply cared about or.... give up on something he deeply cared about and I can tell you from personal experience that that is the most devistating of choices to have to make. There is no right answer here and... I don't know. I kind of want to cry on his behalf. It hurts my heart to think about what he is having to endure. Alone.

[Colonelkillabee]

Alright, nighty night, ladies. And whatever gents are about. Stayed up waaay longer than I should. Try not to cry your eyes out too much Better to have loved and lost, than yadyadya, that quote sucks tbh.

[Valeria Lavellan]

I suppose, but it doesn't make me feel better about the whole situation. I mean the way he left was almost like "I'm destined to be eternally miserable, so you have to be miserable, too." And with no rhyme or reason as far as Lavellan is concerned. It's sort of a no win for Solas, which is even more heart wrenching because hIs choice was to either give up on something he deeply cared about or.... give up on something he deeply cared about and I can tell you from personal experience that that is the most devistating of choices to have to make. There is no right answer here and... I don't know. I kind of want to cry on his behalf. It hurts my heart to think about what he is having to endure. Alone.

 

OR! He finds a way to restore her into the 'elven glory' and lives by his side. I wonder what the stories would be about how the dread wolf's heart was sweetened by a bright dalish elf that her spirit was so rare and marvelous it caught the wolves' eye.  How they reign a new era of elves together and disappearing when their people no longer need them *wiggles eyebrow* 

[Elven_Glory]

Alright, nighty night, ladies. And whatever gents are about. Stayed up waaay longer than I should. Try not to cry your eyes out too much Better to have loved and lost, than yadyadya, that quote sucks tbh.

Not lost. Lost implies it's over. And it's not over yet.

[laurelinvanyar]

Patrick Weekes added this romance to explore the tragedy of this character. 

 

Well played, sir. Well played. 

[Elven_Glory]

OR! He finds a way to restore her into the 'elven glory' and lives by his side. I wonder what the stories would be about how the dread wolf's heart was sweetened by a bright dalish elf that her spirit was so rare and marvelous it caught the wolves' eye.  How they reign a new era of elves together and disappearing when their people no longer need them *wiggles eyebrow*

I think that's akin to the fairytale ending we are all hoping for. I am out of likes, but I would love it if this or something like it would come to pass.

[Valeria Lavellan]

And yet, it's implied that he actually did lock up the pantheon or something like them (Cole: "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, waiting, and to wake them--"), that his actions really did somehow lead to the downfall of Arlathan and/or result in the elves being left vulnerable to being conquered by Tevinter (Solas: "What if you wake up to a world that is worse than the one you sought to change?")

While the Dalish might be mistaken about the details of his personality and motivation, it sounds like they got the overall big picture right. And if I were them, I wouldn't be too pleased either. A thousand years of slavery + 700 years of diaspora + almost complete cultural genocide would lead a people to not be too fond of the person at the center of where things started to go wrong.

As for Solas, he doesn't really cut them much slack either. He compares them to children acting out traditions they don't understand, yet he has all this knowledge and doesn't share. While he implies he has tried to teach some elves in the past and they rejected him, the PC can point out (on multiple occassions, I believe) that he's now "decided their reaction for them." Pre-emptly decides they'll reject him and so doesn't bother, which keeps them in ignorance, which he then looks down on. He's decided that all modern Dalish / elves are like those few he encountered before and sneers at the rest. What's more, he judges them for coping with the hand he's implied to have dealt them in a way he doesn't approve of, when he had the luxury of sleeping through the consequences of his past decision while the elves have dealt with the brunt of it and now have to pick up the pieces.

I love Solas, but yeah. I don't think the Dalish are completely ignorant, malicious slanderers nor that Solas is an innocent little bunny cruelly maligned and rejected for no good reason either. As with most conflicts in Thedas, both sides have faults.

 

 

To think this can all be solved with forgiveness and teamwork...but like always, it's not that easy. 

[Valeria Lavellan]

Patrick Weekes added this romance to explore the tragedy of this character. 

 

Well played, sir. Well played. 

I dislike when great characters are killed. They fill you up with greatness and then leave you be hoping for more and when the end actually comes you're left hungry wondering how things would've gone if they were set differently. Luckily it hasn't happened yet so I'm still optimistic!

[Valeria Lavellan]

I think that's akin to the fairytale ending we are all hoping for. I am out of likes, but I would love it if this or something like it would come to pass.

 oohh.. I wonder what kind of legends and stories the people will make if that happens!  ._. 

[RynJ]

And yet, it's implied that he actually did lock up the pantheon or something like them (Cole: "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, waiting, and to wake them--"), that his actions really did somehow lead to the downfall of Arlathan and/or result in the elves being left vulnerable to being conquered by Tevinter (Solas: "What if you wake up to a world that is worse than the one you sought to change?")

While the Dalish might be mistaken about the details of his personality and motivation, it sounds like they got the overall big picture right. And if I were them, I wouldn't be too pleased either. A thousand years of slavery + 700 years of diaspora + almost complete cultural genocide would lead a people to not be too fond of the person at the center of where things started to go wrong.

As for Solas, he doesn't really cut them much slack either. He compares them to children acting out traditions they don't understand, yet he has all this knowledge and doesn't share. While he implies he has tried to teach some elves in the past and they rejected him, the PC can point out (on multiple occassions, I believe) that he's now "decided their reaction for them." Pre-emptly decides they'll reject him and so doesn't bother, which keeps them in ignorance, which he then looks down on. He's decided that all modern Dalish / elves are like those few he encountered before and sneers at the rest. What's more, he judges them for coping with the hand he's implied to have dealt them in a way he doesn't approve of, when he had the luxury of sleeping through the consequences of his past decision while the elves have dealt with the brunt of it and now have to pick up the pieces.

I love Solas, but yeah. I don't think the Dalish are completely ignorant, malicious slanderers nor that Solas is an innocent little bunny cruelly maligned and rejected for no good reason either. As with most conflicts in Thedas, both sides have faults.

 

Well from what we know, it didn't sound like it was going anywhere good with the pantheon around. The Dalish think it was, but it wasn't really. From what we learned, Solas is hardly where it started to go wrong. I don't think the Dalish got the big picture right at all, since they're missing incredibly important key information. Such as the fact that ancient Arlathan wasn't really so great and their gods were feuding, dangerous beings.

 

I don't hate the Dalish and I agree that Solas is being harsh with them and in them misplacing pieces of his own anger and guilt. But unfortunately I find myself at least somewhat agreeing with most of his statements about them. Not that Solas is in much of a position to criticize the modern elves.

[Sable Rhapsody]

This game has so many deeper meanings, it's getting ridiculous. 

 

I just made the connection that your quizzie could turn out to be the next Fen'harel. No matter how good your intentions, the inquisition is now a world power for better or worse. Who's to say the inquisition won't screw up the world in any number of possible ways (accidentally destroying the grey wardens, drinking the well, further destabilizing the chantry or orlais further down the road). 

 

Or the next Andraste.  Or Koslun.  Unless you're actively trying to lose the game to Corypheus (drive off everyone, never do sidequests), southern Thedas follows the Inquisitor no matter what, because they literally have no one else to lead them.  No one else can close the rifts or seal the Breach, and so the Inquisitor stands apart no matter how humble they are or how much they protest the claims of divinity.

 

Somewhere along the line, in ten or fifty or a hundred years--or even in the present day if the Inquisitor allows it--the person is going to get lost under the title and the myth, just like any other religious leader.  Honestly I think that's what scares my Lavellan the most, her very identity getting replaced in history with some distorted prophet she doesn't even recognize or like.  It's why she asks Varric to stick around and help her write her version of the story.

[LliiraAnna]

Or the next Andraste.  Or Koslun.  Unless you're actively trying to lose the game to Corypheus (drive off everyone, never do sidequests), southern Thedas follows the Inquisitor no matter what, because they literally have no one else to lead them.  No one else can close the rifts or seal the Breach, and so the Inquisitor stands apart no matter how humble they are or how much they protest the claims of divinity.

 

Somewhere along the line, in ten or fifty or a hundred years--or even in the present day if the Inquisitor allows it--the person is going to get lost under the title and the myth, just like any other religious leader.  Honestly I think that's what scares my Lavellan the most.

And everyone will interpret your story however they wish. Humans will continue to claim that you were the Herald of Andraste - assuming you won't get "deleted from history" for some political reasons, like Shartan did -, the Dalish will believe that you were guided by the Creators (well, they won't be wrong about this, since Fen'Harel and Mythal *were* there), and so on.  But your real story will be lost. That's the main reason I am very careful about believing things like "Andraste was divine" and such. Political reinterpretations aside, stories *do* grow taller with time. 

[Addai]

I like having another light-hearted person, can be my kind of humor which some is offensive sarcasm. You bring a new perspective.

I love your humor.
 

Solas: So...you know when you said that Dashana used to say you were the 'worst keeper ever'...?

Haha, so true. I think Solas would try to approach the subject very calmly and scientifically, but at some point his voice would break as he realizes he might be about to make her hate him and turn against him. Ack, now I'm... onions. Damn onions.
 

 
Hello all! I've been lurking around this thread for ages but couldn't help myself when people started talking about the fresco images (took this from a previous reply - credit not mine). Does anyone else see the 6 red eyes around the city? It reminds me a lot of the 6 eyes on Solas' Tower Tarot card so I was wondering if it was just me...

Yes, seems a reference to how Solas is the gatekeeper and watcher (there's that again, nonono it's Dirthamen) of both places. "As above, so below" is a theme in Christianity, too- the city of God and city of man, St. Augustine. I go back to the discussion we had some dozens of pages ago, about the two mirrored orbs in Solas' tarot and also the eclipse when he stirs. I don't know what it means but there seems to be a twinning going on with the elven gods and old gods and the two cities as well.

As for appearance, I joked about Solas' baldness and fondness for spandex before the game came out. Didn't find him particularly attractive but I'm attracted to intellect and personality first anyway, also IRL, so it wasn't a negative, either. Then Solas started talking, and the rest is history.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Some more Solas for ya'll!

Solas 2 by PainHidanFan on DeviantArt

More NSFW than the last one:

http://painhidanfan....-wolf-507708932

 

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[Addai]

Found this poem on a Solavellan fanmix:
 
Understand, I'll slip quietly
away from the noisy crowd
when I see the pale
stars rising, blooming, over the oaks.

I'll pursue solitary pathways
through the pale twilit meadows,
with only this one dream:
You come too.

Rainer Maria Rilke
 
If only. *sigh*

Aw, Rilke. "Love consists of this: two solitudes that meet, protect and greet each other."
 

I HATE lightning!
*snip*

Ha, I love those lightning strikes. My theory is that since Frostbite has been used for FPS, they're re-using an asset for a mortar shell landing. The Lady of the Skies= artillery commander.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

So...anyone else who removed the vallaslin kinda regret the decision afterwards because their Inquisitor looks so bloody different without them? Like, jarringly so? I don't even know, she looks entirely different. 

 

Gonna stick with it though, cause it's cool. And a bit heartbreaking. 

 

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That's....gonna take getting used to. A lot of getting used to. :S