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[Colonelkillabee]

Except Gilhan'nin isn't a he but a she. 'The mother of the Halla'.

I know. Did I call her a he in that? If I did, my bad. It's because I'm pretty sure the old gods are called males true or not. Does gender really mean much to a God?

[Colonelkillabee]

Please copy it directly to the wiki

Do they accept fan theories?

[Siha]

Do they accept fan theories?

Aww cute, you never looked at the wiki!

For now it's mainly a collection of all the fan theories that were developed by the people here. We copy any new (reasonable/sensible) theory there and collect related posts. And then somebody who's good at doing that/enjoys it makes a coherent text from all those posts.

[Sah291]

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See where I'm going with this? The taint acts as a sort of hive mind to all infected. If the old gods all have the taint as their old god mojo, what happens when multiple archdemons are around? I think this suggests that the old gods are indeed a part of something greater and bigger, and killing them is just helping them return to that state at full power, while Morrigan's ritual, likely an elven ritual, serves to keep their souls here.

 

 

Ah, I like where you're going with that. They couldn't be killed or destroyed, so their power was split up. That makes so much sense. The taint is an attempt at reconstituting power and gathering back up the pieces. 

 

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I know. Did I call her a he in that? If I did, my bad. It's because I'm pretty sure the old gods are called males true or not. Does gender really mean much to a God?

 

 

For polytheistic pantheons? Yeah, it kinda is... duality (including gender) is an important element of creation myth. Monotheism is really more about the overcoming of dualities. Hence the Andrastians "one god, one world" thing. It doesn't really mean they are taking one god (out of many) and elevating him above the rest, it means there is really just one. Although if I didn't know better I'd say that's exactly what the Andrastians had been doing. I think that Elgar'nan is likely the god they have been worshiping. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Ah, I like where you're going with that. They couldn't be killed or destroyed, so their power was split up. That makes so much sense. The taint is an attempt at reconstituting power and gathering back up the pieces. 

Exactly

 

"MAKE US WHOLE!" -Necromorphs

 

That's why the taint's so obsessed with spreading and taking over life, more or less.

 

And there's no reason that the old gods couldn't still act individually while being a part of the whole, thanks to the hivemind concept.

 

Corypheus wanted to serve in person. Well, he did. Dead whispers indeed.

[Colonelkillabee]

Aww cute, you never looked at the wiki!

For now it's mainly a collection of all the fan theories that were developed by the people here. We copy any new (reasonable/sensible) theory there and collect related posts. And then somebody who's good at doing that/enjoys it makes a coherent text from all those posts.

Ah cool, I'll do that later then. I go to the wiki of course I didn't know there's a section for fan theories. Elder Scrolls needs this.

[Siha]

What exactly happens to an old god once "his/her" archdemon is killed (assuming no ritual)? I understand that the soul jumps into the next best tainted being, Darkspawn or Warden. The Warden dies in the act, why exactly I never fully comprehended, what happens to the Darkspawn I have not heard. And the soul? Where does it go? Surely it does not just "die" because its second host dies?

[Siha]

Ah cool, I'll do that later then. I go to the wiki of course I didn't know there's a section for fan theories. Elder Scrolls needs this.

Ohh, you might think of the other wiki, the DA wiki. I was refering to the Virdirthan wiki. I think madrar is the initiator. It is fairly new, not organised yet, but I suppose they will polish it sometime later. It is meant just to collect all the fan theories. http://virdirthan.wikispaces.com/

[Little Mama]

I know. Did I call her a he in that? If I did, my bad. It's because I'm pretty sure the old gods are called males true or not. Does gender really mean much to a God?

 

That's alright. '**** happens' Just wanted to make the correction in case you'd misunderstood. 

 

I'f you're truly a God, maybe not but if you're a person that's just being named a God, then I think yes.

I sure wouldn't like someone misstaking me for a man. Gender may not be essential to a person, but it is a part of it. There's no denying that. 

I don't know if you have it were you are but in my country we've suddenly started to have this reference to people (especially kids) as hens (neither him nor her, just nuetrum) to avoid being prejudiced or for everything to be equal between the sexes. As good as that thought may be, I, and many else, find it ridicolous. You may not only be a sex/have it define you but it is a part of you, either you want it or not. Equality isn't about taking away your sexual identity, just about having the choice to be who you are despite your gender.  

 

But now I've gotten way of the topic. Sorry. 

What I wanted to say was, that as a person and not just a God, Gilhan'nin probably would be upset being refered to as a guy.    

[Patchwork]

When I see your screenshots I wonder, do you never give him the Dalish armor? Because I think it is really nice. It's a shame Solas is the only companion who can wear it.

 

 

I actually prefer the look of this armour on Solas to the male robes. The robes look nice but there's a practicality to the rogue armour that I really like.  

[Siha]

I don't know if you have it were you are but in my country we've suddenly started to have this reference to people (especially kids) as hens (neither him nor her, just nuetrum) to avoid being prejudiced or for everything to be equal between the sexes.

So like your language distinguishes sexes in the grammatical forms and you start using the neutral form for people? Does that work? Or did I misunderstand? What language is that?

[Colonelkillabee]

That's alright. '**** happens' Just wanted to make the correction in case you'd misunderstood.

I'f you're truly a God, maybe not but if you're a person that's just being named a God, then I think yes.
I sure wouldn't like someone misstaking me for a man. Gender may not be essential to a person, but it is a part of it. There's no denying that.
I don't know if you have it were you are but in my country we've suddenly started to have this reference to people (especially kids) as hens (neither him nor her, just nuetrum) to avoid being prejudiced or for everything to be equal between the sexes. As good as that thought may be, I, and many else, find it ridicolous. You may not only be a sex/have it define you but it is a part of you, either you want it or not. Equality isn't about taking away your sexual identity, just about having the choice to be who you are despite your gender.

But now I've gotten way of the topic. Sorry.
What I wanted to say was, that as a person and not just a God, Gilhan'nin probably would be upset being refered to as a guy.

Yeah, she probably would. But then, she doesn't have much choice in the matter if she is an old god. Then again, Solas doesn't control his legend either.

[Colonelkillabee]

Ohh, you might think of the other wiki, the DA wiki. I was refering to the Virdirthan wiki. I think madrar is the initiator. It is fairly new, not organised yet, but I suppose they will polish it sometime later. It is meant just to collect all the fan theories. http://virdirthan.wikispaces.com/

Ohh okay, then yes I've never been to the wiki and thank you.

[LobselVith8]

I have a question that I would love to see an opinion and a why. 

 

Spoiler

In the Mythal Temple, the well, did you guys drink from it or allowed a human (Morrigan) to take the power? It'll be nice to know why.

 

Edit: And my power I mean knowledge.

 

About the Well?

 

Spoiler

Revas, former First to Clan Lavellan and leader of the Inquisition, drank from the Well of Sorrows. From an in-character perspective, it wasn't an issue of distrust towards Morrigan's motivations or her being shemlen, but rather that this was an opportunity to benefit the People. Here was a source of knowledge that could unravel eons of culture, enlightenment, magical theory, and civilization that was lost after the collapse of Elvhenan and the fall of the Dales. Revas owed it to his people to drink from the Well of Sorrows, no matter the consequences to himself.

 

On a personal note, I think he would take a further step to use the knowledge to help gain mastery over the Crossroads, now that he has an Eluvian that permits entry into this ancient elven network. Being linked to ancient elven cosmic forces could help guide him in the right direction. It's something I could see him consulting Merrill about as well, given her own scholarly investigation of the lore about the Eluvians. I imagine he'd know her personally from one of the last gatherings during the Arlathvenn, and likely heard about her interest in the Eluvian from Varric.

 

I'm also curious what ramifications Solas' actions will have, when you consider that the one impediment to gaining unfettered knowledge has now been removed. What are you up to, mi amigo?

 

 

 

Solas, by MellorianJ.

[Sah291]

 

Though that does make me feel a bit disturbed, it's not unlikely considering they've known each other since 'forever' But I'm more leaning towards mother/son or mentor somehow. 

 

 

Like madrar says in her Triad theory, I don't think it necessarily has to have been a literal romantic relationship... but that they were definitely partners or on the same side of some issue, that caused a split. 

 

The bloody/stabbed Dirthamen statue is interesting. Dirthamen and Falon'Din were Mythal's first and eldest children. Could there have been a betrayal involving one or both of them? Is it part of the reason she would only pass her essence on to women/daughters?

[Little Mama]

So like your language distinguishes sexes in the grammatical forms and you start using the neutral form for people? Does that work? Or did I misunderstand? What language is that?

 

Exactly that. It's swedish. We have han(him) and hon(her) 

Our politicians also doesn't use their first names anymore, only surenames, for the same reason. Which I on the other hand think is a good thing, that in our world and comunity today unfortunatly is a necessary evil, due to prejudice associated with gender.

But to call a little girl or boy for hen (I guess you could translate it as for the english words to hishe, or something similar) that's just showing them that their gender really do matter to people in a negative way. 

[MoonDrummer]

When I see your screenshots I wonder, do you never give him the Dalish armor? Because I think it is really nice. It's a shame Solas is the only companion who can wear it.

 

Honestly I think the Dalish armour looks terrrible on men. The female Dalish armours are probably the best looking in the game imo.

[Little Mama]

Like madrar says in her Triad theory, I don't think it necessarily has to have been a literal romantic relationship... but that they were definitely partners or on the same side of some issue, that caused a split. 

 

The bloody/stabbed Dirthamen statue is interesting. Dirthamen and Falon'Din were Mythal's first and eldest children. Could there have been a betrayal involving one or both of them? Is it part of the reason she would only pass her essence on to women/daughters?

 

That's an interesting theory. Care to elaborate that?

[LobselVith8]

My character also loved exploring her beautiful forests and ideally would just love to live among her clan forever, but she also deeply believes in the Dalish's desire to recover their past. However, she also wants her people to go a step fruther; reach farther and help elves beyond their clans and forests. Despite the hardships, she was glad to use the Inquisition to learn more about her people's past, help the mages via Fiona, help the elves via Briala, and reform the Chantry via accidentally supporting a new Divine.

 

Your character sounds like she sacrificed a lot for her people.

 

I can relate to playing as a character with that mindset. Revas told Cassandra that he wished he could return to his clan. I can imagine the cultural shift from living among people who you feel kinship towards, and who understand you, to living among people who used to be part of an organization who was a nemesis to your people, and who can't easily relate to your lifestyle or beliefs. It seems like it would be incredibly isolating. I remember choosing to have Revas tell Sera how comforting it was nice to simply talk to another elf, and I imagined that it was probably a rare occurrence for him.

 

Really, the only true friend that Revas had during Haven was Solas. Discussions about the Beyond, a fascination with the past, an acknowledgement about the complexity of spirits, strong disagreements over the Dalish (until he conceded that he was wrong at Skyhold). Maybe even mental chess, but with elvish terms instead of qunari ones (re: Solas and Iron Bull chess match); as with Fallout, I enjoy playing as intelligent characters.

 

I won't say she drank without hesitation or didn't get a sinking feeling when she realized who Mythal was and how she could control her directly as Solas warned; but she saw it as gaining great knowledge at a great price. Can't gain anything great without giving something great in return. Besides, it was too late to turn back then, so might as well look forward and focus on using the knowledge she sacrificed so much to obtain in order to help her people recover their lost past and move toward a better future. (And no, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, and I'm tired of seeing characters act like they are. It's an either-or fallacy I'm tired of seeing.)

 

Revas felt the same way about the Well. As for your comment about recovering the lost knowledge of the past and working towards a future, it's something that greatly irritated me about the way that some characters spoke to Merrill when they referenced their own interest in the past, including how Aveline said she was "stupid" for it - and I'm not trying to denigrate Aveline because she was consistently there for you when you needed her, but it was a rather ignorant perspective to take, and I'd apply that ignorance to a lot of Andrastian humans whom I like simply because they have trouble looking past their own cultural views.

 

It's incredibly easy for someone to say that when the history of their people isn't lost to centuries of slavery and subjugation, and I wish the narrative allowed for this to be explicitly expressed. There's no reason you're prohibited from building towards a future while also trying to uncover the mysteries of your past.

[drake2511]

Uhm... was this already shared?

[Siha]

I have a question that I would love to see an opinion and a why. 

 

Spoiler

In the Mythal Temple, the well, did you guys drink from it or allowed a human (Morrigan) to take the power? It'll be nice to know why.

 

Edit: And my power I mean knowledge.

 

I had missed this question. I find this an interesting topic, has it been discussed already?

 

Spoiler

On my first playthrough (which I usually consider canon because in real life I also cannot go back and change my decisions) I did not drink. I was very much with Sera on that. Like "Are you crazy? It's the well of sorrows, why would I drink from it?" (That was a Kieran path run.) Retroactively I consider this an egoistic point of view, because it was just a gut feeling, not thought through.

Next time (no-Kieran path) I did drink. In the future, I would always again drink.

Why? Because I think it is "better". It is probably a bad decision to drink and bind yourself to somebody else. But if someone must do it, it should be "me". "I" do not know Morrigan well, have no idea what her intentions are. Therefore "I" cannot trust her with this. It is too powerful, too dangerous. Also, nobody knows what might happen in the future. If negative consequences are to be expected, "I" should face them.

On a gameplay note I missed out on the altar and dragon if not drinking. I usually go for "more is more" content-wise, so more gameplay = better choice.

 

[Siha]

Exactly that. It's swedish. We have han(him) and hon(her) 

Our politicians also doesn't use their first names anymore, only surenames, for the same reason. Which I on the other hand think is a good thing, that in our world and comunity today unfortunatly is a necessary evil, due to prejudice associated with gender.

But to call a little girl or boy for hen (I guess you could translate it as for the english words to hishe, or something similar) that's just showing them that their gender really do matter to people in a negative way. 

Yes, it sure sounds like that. I cannot really imagine what it is like but it might really make you feel bad. Like having to "conceal" that you're a girl (because I assume this is done to suppress discrimination of women?). But do people do this, in real life I mean, or is it just a political attitude that hardly ever finds practical application?

Actually, I never thought Sweden even had such problems. Scandivanian countries are usually used as a shining example of how good things can be.

[nranola]

Uhm... was this already shared?

 

"A few more surprises"? Dare I say... DLC?

[CapricornSun]

"A few more surprises"? Dare I say... DLC?

 

We can only hope. 

 

Ugh! I'm getting anxious for any news of a single-player DLC! Especially for one related to Solas. 

[Illyria]

I actually prefer the look of this armour on Solas to the male robes. The robes look nice but there's a practicality to the rogue armour that I really like.  

 

I prefer this armour on a fem!Lavellan, too.  I've always hated the post-romance outfit for Merrill so I'm not a fan of the Keeper robes.  In particular when there's a Dalish woman wandering Skyhold garden with a female version of the male robes on...