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[CapricornSun]

It was a tragedy. Not only what happened to Clan Virnehn, but what befell the Halamshiral elves. I wonder how differently things might have transpired had Solas and Lavellan met before the Breach, and got involved in this crisis.

 

If Felassan really was working for a competitor to Fen'Harel, his reaction to Solas would have been priceless.

 

Oh yes! The Halamshiral elves have it bad too. Aaargh! So much sadness for the elves, I can't...

Maybe I should stop reading TME for now. I'm feeling depressed. (Plus, I need to go to bed.)

 

Oh! Speaking of Felassan, whenever the book mentions him in his hood and cloak and dressed like a beggar in his tunic and breeches, is it odd that I keep picturing him looking like Solas in his Hermit tarot card (except with vallaslin, of course)? 

[LobselVith8]

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Aneth ara, Solas.

[Caddius]

 

This one?

I've read this many times before but for some reason I've always missed the implications of one line.

"We'll have to find another Archdemon somewhere more solid."

Well, shave my back and call me an elf.

What the hell were the Ancient Wardens doing? An alliance with an Architect like figure, trying to make a Disciple out of an Old God? Why are they referring to it as an Archdemon? Is that just a typo, or the Warden not being precise? If they were trying to eliminate all of the Old Gods to prevent Blights, they wouldn't phrase it like that. It'd be, "For now, we'll find another Archdemon somewhere more solid. Until we figure out a way to stabilize, we'll find another." It's the 'have to' that's really throwing me here.

[LobselVith8]

Oh yes! The Halamshiral elves have it bad too. Aaargh! So much sadness for the elves, I can't...

Maybe I should stop reading TME for now. I'm feeling depressed.

 

Oh! Speaking of Felassan, whenever the book mentions him in his hood and cloak and dressed like a beggar in his tunic and breeches, is it odd that I keep picturing him looking like Solas in his Hermit tarot card? 

 

Felassan is likely an ancient elf, too, so it's not that odd. If he was in service to one of Solas' rivals, it's possible we may end up dealing with his master, perhaps working alongside Solas to dispatch this latest threat to Thedas and the People; Fen'Harel and the Herald of Mythal, saving the world yet again. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I took a closer look at those paintings Solas has in his room and I see a theme of many eyes in several places. One, his tarot card of course, where he himself has three eyes on one side, and I assume the other.

 

Two, the picture of the breach happening. There's many many eyes in the sky which could reference demons, spirits, whatever. Three:

 

 

Here obviously, dealing with the grey wardens, and what I assume is the deep roads under Thedas taken over by the dark spawn due to that text I shared earlier dealing with Mythal and the shapeshifting criminal.

 

I'm bringing this up because if it is representing the darkspawn and the archdemons, taint in general really, it would support the theory of the old god hivemind in general.

 

But with Solas having those eyes in his tarot card.... it either throws a monkey wrench in this or there's another connection with Solas and the old gods we're not seeing besides the obvious legend claiming he's related, true or not. Thoughts?

[BoscoBread]

I've read this many times before but for some reason I've always missed the implications of one line.

"We'll have to find another Archdemon somewhere more solid."

Well, shave my back and call me an elf.

What the hell were the Ancient Wardens doing? An alliance with an Architect like figure, trying to make a Disciple out of an Old God? Why are they referring to it as an Archdemon? Is that just a typo, or the Warden not being precise? If they were trying to eliminate all of the Old Gods to prevent Blights, they wouldn't phrase it like that. It'd be, "For now, we'll find another Archdemon somewhere more solid. Until we figure out a way to stabilize, we'll find another." It's the 'have to' that's really throwing me here.

I think it means the latter.  The song was actually real. Not something they could hear in their heads like they normally do.  So if you were a non-Warden and down there, you'd hear it too.  I imagine it was right underneath the thaig and if you brought Solas there he says 'They tried to uncover something that should never be disturbed'.  The song was so loud though that it was causing cave ins due to the vibration.   I really like your theory that they were sacrificing their own to find the archdemons.   It sort of fits with how they function overall as an organization. I can't believe that the Adamant incident was the only time the Wardens tried to wipe out the Archdemons BEFORE they woke.  Actually - from what we see in those writings- that seems to have been their schtick all along.

[Colonelkillabee]

I've read this many times before but for some reason I've always missed the implications of one line.

"We'll have to find another Archdemon somewhere more solid."

Well, shave my back and call me an elf.

What the hell were the Ancient Wardens doing? An alliance with an Architect like figure, trying to make a Disciple out of an Old God? Why are they referring to it as an Archdemon? Is that just a typo, or the Warden not being precise? If they were trying to eliminate all of the Old Gods to prevent Blights, they wouldn't phrase it like that. It'd be, "For now, we'll find another Archdemon somewhere more solid. Until we figure out a way to stabilize, we'll find another." It's the 'have to' that's really throwing me here.

I think they did this in game too, where they referred to old gods untainted as archdemons. Makes sense with their ignorance and tevinter bias.

[dragondreamer]

I felt very bad for them.  The Keeper may have been an ass and some of the guards were horrible, but they weren't everybody in the clan. 

 

Sometimes I get the feeling people forget that children and elderly exist in the setting.  I also see this when the mage faction with Fiona is considered to all be adults.  The Circles were full of apprentices; children, sometimes small children, and teenagers.  Most of them not proficient at magic, and as likely to hurt themselves as others if forced into a confrontation.  I recall some codex saying something about frightened untrained mage children being more dangerous than an adult trained mage.  There's even characters like Minaeve, Connor, and others in Redcliffe who are there to illustrate that.

 

While I'm not that fond of Mihris, I never cared for how Briala and Felassan treated her after her clan was slaughtered.  Just felt like a bit much.  She was a teenager who had just seen everyone she cared for, her entire family be brutally massacred.  And Michel killed her boyfriend, who was also the only one among the clan's warriors who was clearly uncomfortable with how Michel was being treated.  (Considering how the rest of the clan died, I guess that was an unintended mercy.)

 

 

Finally!  I managed to get the entire chess match between Solas and Iron Bull up on the DA wiki in Solas' dialogue section.  That's probably one of my favorite conversations even though I'm not hugely familiar with chess.

 

I would like Cole's and Solas' convos more if they didn't confuse me.  I keep thinking wtf are you two talking about?!

 

Cole and Solas apparently get great satellite reception from other worlds via the Fade.

[Rabbitonfire]

I'm having a Google chatroom in 2 hours if anyone is interested.

[Siha]

I'm having a Google chatroom in 2 hours if anyone is interested.

And I haven't got a thing to wear!

[Kittn]

Who didn't, though?  I remember the slow change the posters on my wall went through when I became obsessed with Tool - tiger beat cutie boys to like pictures of Maynard and Trent Reznor in like Downward Spiral phase even though I still had the same pink/green comforter on my bed.  My room was a battle of girly and...metal?
 
Edit: Would love to see an AU drawing of Solas as the lead singer of an industrial metal band.  Mmmm....

I must admit, before hanging out with you all here on this fine thread, I thought I had a sufficiently eclectic taste in music. My favorites range from showtunes to Weird Al, to classic rock - although it wasn't considered classic when I first listened to it. Now THAT will make one feel old. I like manda-pop, Disney music, video game soundtracks, old school Reggae and even some country. That said, I haven't actually heard of many of the bands that get posted here. It seems even horizons as broad as mine can stand to grow a li'l.

I never had much of a music band poster phase, though. As a pre-teen, my walls were covered with Color Me Badd and NKOTB and I don't care who knows it. But, when my friends moved on to NSync and Backstreet Boys, my walls started to find themselves occupied by posters or wall scrolls of Link, Sephiroth and Alucard instead.

[Janic99]

I'm having a Google chatroom in 2 hours if anyone is interested.

is it a voice chat?  

[LobselVith8]

I took a closer look at those paintings Solas has in his room and I see a theme of many eyes in several places. One, his tarot card of course, where he himself has three eyes on one side, and I assume the other.

 

Two, the picture of the breach happening. There's many many eyes in the sky which could reference demons, spirits, whatever. Three:

 

 

Here obviously, dealing with the grey wardens, and what I assume is the deep roads under Thedas taken over by the dark spawn due to that text I shared earlier dealing with Mythal and the shapeshifting criminal.

 

I'm bringing this up because if it is representing the darkspawn and the archdemons, taint in general really, it would support the theory of the old god hivemind in general.

 

But with Solas having those eyes in his tarot card.... it either throws a monkey wrench in this or there's another connection with Solas and the old gods we're not seeing besides the obvious legend claiming he's related, true or not. Thoughts?

 

I suspect Solas knows something that the rest of them don't about the darkspawn and the taint, although it's difficult to ascertain what that is because we really don't know what place the Old Gods have in elven theology. Zathrian, one of the oldest Dalish we meet, makes only a brief reference to them: "As if it weren't enough that one of the most noble and terrible creatures ever to be spawned of our world should be twisted into something so... unnatural. I cannot imagine what we shall do once we encounter it."

 

Even with Lavellan, we get no clarification.

 

Given what Yavana says about dragons once having reign in the world before the Beyond existed, I'd have to imagine the Old Gods may have been around during the era of Elvhenan. Yavana makes an opaque comment about it when she says, "It sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the Veil, before the mysteries were forgotten."

 

The Song being tied to the taint, the Old Gods, and red lyrium (which may have been what Oghren sensed when he entered the ruins of the temple with the Warden and Leliana) only brings up more possibilities. 

 

The Creators, the Forgotten Ones, the Old Gods, Elvhenan... Fen'Harel. The orbs of the gods. The mysteries surrounding the Song. Solas really is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

[Janic99]

I am currently trying to study the temple of mythal art on the walls having a loads of fun later I will study the room of Solas Oh and when you go to do the elven glyphs quest.. I found Dread Wolf's sign there on a table. 

[Rabbitonfire]

And I haven't got a thing to wear!

I recommend pajamas for the chatroom ball.

 

is it a voice chat?

Mostly. So it is recommended but not needed since there is text available but since people like to multi-task while doing another thing, it's recommened. Feel free to do whatever you want while chatting. I'm planning to finish part of my drawing then do my writing homework while chatting.

[Colonelkillabee]

Sometimes I get the feeling people forget that children and elderly exist in the setting.  I also see this when the mage faction with Fiona is considered to all be adults.

Did someone say Fiona??

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

I crush on her so hard. And you're right, I for one was and still am critical of Fiona and her mages, but my lack of sympathy before did have partly something to do with me thinking of them as all capable adults, not them, as well as the young and old.

 

[MoonDrummer]

Sometimes I get the feeling people forget that children and elderly exist in the setting.  I also see this when the mage faction with Fiona is considered to all be adults.  The Circles were full of apprentices; children, sometimes small children, and teenagers.  Most of them not proficient at magic, and as likely to hurt themselves as others if forced into a confrontation.  I recall some codex saying something about frightened untrained mage children being more dangerous than an adult trained mage.  There's even characters like Minaeve, Connor, and others in Redcliffe who are there to illustrate that.

 

While I'm not that fond of Mihris, I never cared for how Briala and Felassan treated her after her clan was slaughtered.  Just felt like a bit much.  She was a teenager who had just seen everyone she cared for, her entire family be brutally massacred.  And Michel killed her boyfriend, who was also the only one among the clan's warriors who was clearly uncomfortable with how Michel was being treated.  (Considering how the rest of the clan died, I guess that was an unintended mercy.)

 

 

 

Cole and Solas apparently get great satellite reception from other worlds via the Fade.

Briala has a bit of a chip on her shoulder with the Dalish I think. She made a snarky comment to my elfinq, on top of spending the second half of TME rubbing salt in Mihris' eyeballs...

[Valeria Lavellan]

Did someone say Fiona??

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

I crush on her so hard. And you're right, I for one was and still am critical of Fiona and her mages, but my lack of sympathy before did have partly something to do with me thinking of them as all capable adults, not them, as well as the young and old.

 

I giggled when Solas was a little excited asking if she was the leader of the mage rebellion. Also...

Spoiler

Is she Alistar's mother? I heard something about it but I think I missed something O_o

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Colonelkillabee]

I giggled when Solas was a little excited asking if she was the leader of the mage rebellion. Also...

Spoiler

Is she Alistar's mother? I heard something about it but I think I missed something O_o

Indeed she is Her and Maric did the mattress momba. I gotta read that after I read the Gryphon's last flight. I like that my character is bearded and blonde like Maric Works for the fanfic I'll write with the two.

[LobselVith8]

It's really fascinating seeing people talk about The Masked Empire, but also a little frustrating. TME gives so much insight into the histories, personalities, and motivations of so many characters we encounter in Inquisition (Mihris, Gaspard, Celene, Briala, Michal, Imshael, etc), as well as tons of much-needed backround information to areas and events we influence (the Orlesian Civil War; the power struggle between Celene, Gaspard and Briala; the history of how Michal and the demon Imshael came to be in Emprise du Lion; etc), but if you didn't read the book, you get none of it.

 

It's a shame, really. Briala is my favorite character from TME - she really cared about the elves, went through such turmoil and hardship, tried so hard to put her faith in Celene even after Halamshiral, and discovered what happened to her parents - only to risk it all in dedication to helping the Orlesian elves, and even extending a hand to the Dalish as long as everyone was treated equally. However, you don't really get much insight into the character, or even into the massacre of Halamshiral.

 

I was surprised, given Briala's unpleasant experience with Thelhen, the warleader, and Mihris, that she might make mention of how different Lavellan is in comparison to the Dalish she encountered, but it's never really addressed.

 

Is it just me, or is BioWare relying too much on supplemental material? I feel that novels and comics should enrich the players' understanding of the conflicts and characters the PC encounters in the game if we so choose, but it shouldn't replace learning said information in the game. We shouldn't have to read the book to know that Mihris and Michal and Imshael were connected (I thought they were all random, unconnected characters who gave out fetch quests like any other non-cutscene NPC); we shouldn't have to read the book to know the histories, motivations, and intentions of Celene, Gaspard and Briala, besides the shallow and obvious "Celene is a skilled politician and player of The Game, Gaspard is a militaristic war-monger, and Briala is an underhanded rogue who wants to help elves."

 

I do think that the characters could have been more fleshed out. We really get little insight into them or their motivations, despite being tasked with the choice to support one over the others.

 

As for Michel, after reading about his initiation into the chevaliers (and their initiation rite in general), I had some issues with him. I would have preferred offering Mihris an opportunity to join the Inquisition, since she seemed to have no one, now that her clan was massacred.

 

If I'd known just how horrible Celene and Michal were to the elves...

 

Oh, I knew. And I figured Revas would know, too, since it's hardly a secret that the elven population was purged. I sided with Briala. I remember watching her final scene scene and thinking, "I remember Halamshiral."

[Colonelkillabee]

Ya big softie, I wouldn't kill him. I would stop him... then let him escape. And probably end things on a "Another time, my friend!"

Lol in typical batman fashion But nah... I'd have to kill him. Depending on what it is of course.

 

Even if tearing the veil down was beneficial, I can't honestly see too many people going "Oh, okay! Yea lets do it!" People are afraid of change. That's partly why my Warden didn't go with Morrigan.

 

That's assuming he even wants to do anything like that of course. Which as I said already, I don't buy it.

[Valeria Lavellan]

Did he just say... sweetheart?   
 

 

His voice is so perfect I'm speechless.