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Hate to say it, but as much as I hated Mass Effect 3's ending, I bet a good portion of those people who complained en masse got comfortable doing this. Not that its anywhere near as huge but I feel like that will forever be a part of the community culture.

 

Sadly, you are probably right. I do think some of the fan outcry for the ending of ME3 was justified, but if this is the behavior that it has perpetuated, then it is a very bad sign. 

 

I don't know what this current drama is that is causing Weekes to take another break from twitter. But the drama over Iron Bull/Dorian is what caused the initial tumblr/twitter flame war. Essentially, some people have took the relationship between the two to be abusive and potentially rapey because alcohol was involved. And because Iron Bull later teases Dorian about it. Any rational critique has been lost in a sea of people calling abuse. Gaidar tried to play it off as a joke, that backfired. 

 

It spiraled into complaints that Sera was also abusive and pretty much every other complaint one could have. 



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Yeah, from what I've read from people who've read the books, she's struggled so hard to help the elves for so long, and we barely get a feather of that impression just from watching the game.

Honestly, Briala sounds like an Orlesian version of my City Elf Warden, who also spent every waking moment struggling to help her people, approached the Dalish hoping they would embrace her as a sister and help her people (while the reality didn't match the expectation, I imagine she remained on good terms with Lanaya's clan, often went to visit, and often brought the Dalish's knowledge back to her alienage) and placed her trust in helping the elves into a charismatic female human noble who became queen (Anora), only to become disillusioned, realize the person she trusted turned on her people to further her own power, then realized she would have to take her people's fate into her own hands. (I imagine the main reason my Warden Tabris traveled West to find a cure for the Calling was because she realized Ferelden human nobles would never treat her people fairly without the Hero of Ferelden around to enforce changes, and realized she needs to live longer to make sure the changes were permanent. Also, so she and Warden Alistair could live long and happy together.)

And Briala is kind of similar to Lavellan. Both want so badly to help the elves and will go to great lengths to help their people. Briala makes that off-handed insult, "Finally slumming through one of the alienages of your people, I see?" but we can't connect with or reach out to her in a meaningful way at all. I headcanoned that my Lavellan wants so badly to help elves everywhere, regardless of their cultural background (contrary to the xenophobic Dalish stereotype), and constantly feels like she's being punched in the gut when fellow elven characters accuse her not caring.


Yeah... I don't know. I get the feeling that, when writing the game, the writers kind of thought, "We already explored this in the book, so there's no need to go into too much detail here. Players will have read the book / can read the book to learn more about this." And I don't think it's right. I feel like the writers should pretend like the books were not written, and flesh out the characters and explain the conflict as though this were the first game in the series.


Just look at Loghain. The Stolen Throne goes into more detail about his past and motivations, but one can still get pretty keen insight into his past and motivations in the game without picking up the book. It's not like he makes it a secret that he lived under Orlesian occupation, suffered horrible abuse under the chevaliers, pretty much gave Maric his victory in the Ferelden Revolution, and did what he did in Origins because he legitimately believed he was saving Ferelden (the nation) from Orlesian occupation.


DAI characters? Not so much. The books can make or break your opinions on them, because without the books you learn next to nothing about them.



True, one can learn about Celene purging an alienage while she and Briala were an item without reading the book, but still... my character felt a little guilty for letting Celene die when she came to the palace specifically to protect her (and felt dirty for playing the Game to someone's fatality). If I'd known more details about how awful Celene was to Briala and her own elven subjects, I wouldn't have felt as guilty.


I also wouldn't have recruited Michal as an agent or restored his standing in the Orlesian court if I'd known his history with elves. >_<


To be honest,my favorite outcome was the one where Celene was murder-knifed.
It's not that I disliked the character,but an Orlesian ball without a good ole murder would've been a dull affair.
In all seriousness,I liked that my inquisitor played the game and won.She was the one pulling the strings of an empire something that Briala is now going to do as far as Gaspard is concerned. :)
Plus,intrigue and ruthless politics!

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Valeria Lavellan

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I always wanted to see other people's lavellan/inquisitor. What kind of ladies Solas is into. (Im sure he likes all the butts)

 

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Well let's see. I forget exactly how it happened but on twitter and tumblr, some people were giving Gaider and Weekes a hard time about Iron Bull and Dorian's relationship. Calling it abusive and blaming them for not giving Dorian enough agency on it. They said some aspects of their romance was triggering things for them and they were blaming them for not reading their minds and making perfect relationships. 

 

It was a very immature discussion and would've been more valid if they didn't start personally attacking them. 

 

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*angry rant*

 

I F* hate people who don't set themselves into the whole picture!


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It's not that. Bull and Dorian hook up if none of them is romanced by the Quizzy. You can hear it through party banter, so if you don't take them out on the same team you can't hear the dialogue. Some people don't like the relationship 'cause they believe Bull is not respectful enough... even if Dorian seems pretty happy in the end: when you talk to him after Coryfish is dead, he says he's going to stay because of Bull. 

 

Ah, now I see. Thanks for the clarification!


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Please explain. I must have missed something (and I am curious).

Gaider/Weekes got a lot of out of nowhere heat about the Iron Bull/Dorian relationship.  Mostly because Bull comes a bit aggressive and Dorian is like 'noo...what the hell dude leave me be'.  Then when Bull outs their relationship Dorian appears uncomfortable - or so that's how some interpreted it.  Frankly I didn't see it. Bull is public about every relationship - even with the Inky.  He's like 'haha sex is great let's talk about it'.  Dorian is an adult and has enough self-control to shut it down if it made him that uncomfortable.  It's behind closed doors that you see Bull is actually pretty caring and sweet - that's also only if your PC is in a relationship with him.  He's not really good at showing that side of himself.  We obviously don't see that in party banters.  Then there was whole thing about Dorian being a raging drunk and the relationship was non-con.  It was A LOT of assumptions.   Bull seems to be incredibly supportive of Dorian - outside of the relationship talk.  Dorian tries so hard to be friends with everybody and Bull is one of the only people that seems to reciprocate that.  Which I think is pretty sweet. 

 

EDIT: That's not to say there wasn't some foot-in-mouth problems regarding Gaider and his response but the overall flame war was ridiculous.  I feel bad if people get upset over watching a somewhat unhealthy relationship but umm...real life.  The definition of a healthy relationship is so broad and means different things to different people.  God I have friends that have been together for a decade and they argue non-stop and you'd think that they shouldn't be together, but then sometimes you see them when they think noone is watching...and you're like 'awww they love eachother'. That's kind of how I view Dorian and Bull. 


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@Little Mama: That's not how I want it to go either, believe me - I just think that poem accurately reflects Solas' frame of mind when he left. He's saying he will love her forever, even if he can't be there with her. And that thought, while painful, is also indescribably beautiful.

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Sadly, you are probably right. I do think some of the fan outcry for the ending of ME3 was justified, but if this is the behavior that it has perpetuated, then it is a very bad sign. 

 

I don't know what this current drama is that is causing Weekes to take another break from twitter. But the drama over Iron Bull/Dorian is what caused the initial tumblr/twitter flame war. Essentially, some people have took the relationship between the two to be abusive and potentially rapey because alcohol was involved. And because Iron Bull later teases Dorian about it. Any rational critique has been lost in a sea of people calling abuse. Gaidar tried to play it off as a joke, that backfired. 

 

It spiraled into complaints that Sera was also abusive and pretty much every other complaint one could have. 

Even if it was abusive, that sort of thing happens. Why must people complain about **** like that. It just makes it harder to make a mature game with compelling storytelling. Reminds me of the Cullen Ballroom ass pinch thread.


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Even if it was abusive, that sort of thing happens. Why must people complain about **** like that. It just makes it harder to make a mature game with compelling storytelling. Reminds me of the Cullen Ballroom ass pinch thread.

People get offended too easily and about everything. I guess people like tot hink they're supporting those kinds of things, but in reality they're just bitching, trying to get a point that really doesn't matter and doesn't interfere with the story anyways.   also, cullen ballroom ass pinch thread? O-o


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That is the flippin' sweetest thing I've seen today! I'm gonna make him one myself now: "Stay Safe. Eat your breakfast. Chill a bit on restoring the Elvhen Empire. Tell FleMythal I said Hi! I'm just gonna take a nap and I'll be on your trail soon. I want my answers Wolf! k, thanks, luv ya~ *wink* *wink*"

 

Haha I think I can write all of that if I include upgrades and weapons~  :lol:

 

Aww man he's so cute!  ^_^ Where was this scene from?

 

It's from the Redcliffe chantry when you meet Dorian.



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@Little Mama: That's not how I want it to go either, believe me - I just think that poem accurately reflects Solas' frame of mind when he left. He's saying he will love her forever, even if he can't be there with her. And that thought, while painful, is also indescribably beautiful.

 

It's a beautiful poem. And the message is so sweet, but also so sad. As I said - tearjerker

 

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The unfortunate thing is that all the fan hate is removing us from the writers, who generally have some great information and insights to give.

 

I wish there was something nice that could be done to counteract all the vitriol, but it may be too far gone at this point. 


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@ Lob, since you're hard core 'Dalish 'till I Die' what do you think of an Arlathvehn DLC/expansion?



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Thank you all for explaining.

Now, what can I say. I assume the writers are grown men who can understand about the internet culture enough not to be bothered too much. They surely don't feel like wasting their (free) time on it but they also will not quit their jobs. We all know how easy it is for some people to be uncivilized when nobody knows you're a dog. (http://en.wikipedia....ws_you're_a_dog) I am also sure the BW writers understand that you cannot satisfy everybody. It's not like there was no planning or evaluation of a game before it's released. Surely, as long as there's positive fan (and sales) feedback, Gaider and Co. will be fine.

 

I do not take offense at the IB/Dorian romance. I do not blame them for the ME3 ending (actually, I do understand it was very decent story telling). Sure, it would have been nice to give fans at least a chance of survival or even a happy ending (make it hard, but allow it). But then again, it is their choice. Nobody will blame a director or screen writer if the movie has a "bad" end. People seem to forget that, despite RPGs allowing you to make a few choices, it is still a scripted story after all. But I am sure that the writers knew that some people would not appreciate all their decisions.

I guess, the best we can do is give positive feedback and keep buying the games.


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 cullen ballroom ass pinch thread? O-o

 

WOOT!

 

Speaking of Cullen, I probably should get on with that playthrough...


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<Cpt. Picard Facepalm>

 

*angry rant*

 

I F* hate people who don't set themselves into the whole picture!

Tell me about it~ I was reading the messages and even though I was sending encouraging messages to both, I think they both decided to cut off from the community for a while. This is why we can't have nice things. I love when the writers/devs communicate with us. Ugh.


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I always wanted to see other people's lavellan/inquisitor. What kind of ladies Solas is into. (Im sure he likes all the butts)


Sure,here's Laurelin!Spent a lot of time in the CC.

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sorry, I've missed this one. Who's being 'attacked'? Not Weekes I hope... *shakes angry fist*

 

Others have explained the situation better than I could, but it sounds like Gaider and Weekes have been having a really bad time.  Gaider is shutting down his tumblr, and Weekes has been quiet on his twitter lately.  I figured it was all the Iron Bull/Dorian stuff.

 

After having played through part of Bull's romance, I'm having a real hard time seeing anything abusive.  There are several (I was surprised at how many, you could tell Weekes was trying to write as many places as possible for the player to step out if uncomfortable) "stop or go" dialogue options before and after the initial sex scene, that you would have to willingly ignore them to believe Quizzy was in a rape situation, and I doubt it would be different for Dorian.  Dorian, who is a big boy who can make his own life choices, I'm very sure.



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I just recently started to add more to my hopes and wishes for Solas / Solasmance wish list. 

 

Happy Ending with moar DLC stuff for Solas / Solasmancers.

 

Solas to be in DA4 - with hopefully Lavellan

 

And most recent addition - I would LOVE for Weekes to write another DA Book with Solas/Fen'harel as the main or have -something- to do with him inbetween a DLC / DA4.



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The unfortunate thing is that all the fan hate is removing us from the writers, who generally have some great information and insights to give.

 

I wish there was something nice that could be done to counteract all the vitriol, but it may be too far gone at this point. 

 

I wish there was too, something from every willing person, not just one thread..the whole forum.  I'm sure there are far more of us than there are angry loud mouthed idiots.  I'm sure they know we give a ****, but when things like this happen it just makes me want to say so even louder.


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Sure,here's Laurelin!Spent a lot of time in the CC.

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Purrrdy, I think we all did spend a large amount of time in CC. I always had a huge love for yellow/orange eyes. 


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Are the pictures of our heartbroken Lavellan's being sent on Valentine's day?



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It's from the Redcliffe chantry when you meet Dorian.

Ah ok, I'll pay attention next time. Dorian's fabulousness is pretty distracting in that intro scene lol


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