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[Valeria Lavellan]

It's good art, but I'm not a fan of the eyes.

yeah, makes him look a bit too cute. Like a sad puppy...Like a sad sam 

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maybe if they were smaller.

[BoscoBread]

Yeah, they went with the right call as far as Solas's character design went. The others were a lot more obvious. 

 

That said, I would have paid good money to see the Fen'Harel character design attempt to pass himself off as a normal guy wearing a wolf crown. I imagine it would go something like this, only you are a wolf god and not an old man:

 

This gif will never NOT be funny.  It's useful for everything.  It's mostly how I feel when I'm on here, tumblr or really any other social media site for that matter. Totally off topic but this was also an amazing episode of 30 rock. BOB BALLARD.

 

On topic: His design is perfect for his personality.  It's so...minimalist. He's so peaceful in game and his look just underscores that.

 

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[Valeria Lavellan]

I imagine this being Solas' theme when he was young or when he releases the gods. :

 

[Mims]

Woodkid is amazing. 

[RynJ]

I sometimes wonder if Solas was originally supposed to act more like you'd expect Fen'Harel to act. I keep thinking of those concept art pictures of him with hair where he's all devious looking and smirking and then that one piece with everyone shouting at the war table and him in the background smirking like he's amused.

 

If so, I'm glad they didn't go with that. He has a few peeks of wry humor and slyness every now and then in game but they don't beat you over the head with it. He very effectively gives off the vibe of a once confident, arrogant, cocky and hot-headed guy that grew up a lot after struggling for so long and failing so badly. That's 1000x more interesting than someone who acts more like a typical trickster character.

[Janic99]

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[Fialka]

I sometimes wonder if Solas was originally supposed to act more like you'd expect Fen'Harel to act. I keep thinking of those concept art pictures of him with hair and then that one piece with everyone shouting at the war table and him in the background smirking.

 

If so, I'm glad they didn't go with that. He has a few peeks of wry humor and slyness every now and then in game but they don't beat you over the head with it. He very effectively gives off the vibe of a confident, arrogant, cocky and hot-headed guy that grew up a lot after struggling for so long and failing so badly.

I agree. From what I've gleaned from the dev comments about DAI's story being in the works since the beginning, and from seeing all the Dread Wolf references in the previous games, I suspect there was always a plan to make Fen'Harel a companion. Looking at his original concept art I definitely think he was at first envisioned as being more what you'd expect a trickster character to be like. I really love that his character evolved away from that a bit. He's definitely still believable as the Dread Wolf, but also defies your expectations in a way that's really interesting. One of the things I love about Patrick Weekes is his characterization though, and I suspect a lot of what Solas is in the game was because of his willingness to delve deeper into a character concept than just going "'trickster,' got it - cocky smart snarky dude. Done."

[Renmiri1]

5 pages to #2,500 !!!!

 

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[Elven_Glory]

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You, Miss, are a genius.

[BoscoBread]

I agree. From what I've gleaned from the dev comments about DAI's story being in the works since the beginning, and from seeing all the Dread Wolf references in the previous games, I suspect there was always a plan to make Fen'Harel a companion. Looking at his original concept art I definitely think he was at first envisioned as being more what you'd expect a trickster character to be like. I really love that his character evolved away from that a bit. He's definitely still believable as the Dread Wolf, but also defies your expectations in a way that's really interesting. One of the things I love about Patrick Weekes is his characterization though, and I suspect a lot of what Solas is in the game was because of his willingness to delve deeper into a character concept than just going "'trickster,' got it - cocky smart snarky dude. Done."

That's the key.  The whole game was how history/story are twisted - even as the Herald of Andraste you're trained to posture yourself for the greater good even if you don't believe it.  PW wanted you to care for the character or at least empathize with him on some level.    From what little we gather we can assume his cause was just even if the means by which he achieved it were not.  Any decision where we have to deal with him is going to be very difficult because he's been set up in such a way that you very much care about him - even if you didn't romance him.  It'd be difficult if he was a jackass like sarcastic Hawke.  There of course would be some people that would like him, but overall it would do a disservice to his character. You'd be like 'Dude, you kind of caused the downfall of your entire race? Do you even care?  I don't understand why you are trying to help them now.'

[Mims]

I am very glad they went against expectations for what Fen'Harel would be like. I think the 'trickster' archetype is something we're very familiar with. So whenever it comes up, the audience is generally pretty wise to it. Not that it is a bad character base- there's a reason why it is so popular, after all. But I think if we had had some sort of impish, haughty elf hanging around it would be hard to not jump to conclusions. 

 

I really love the idea that we essentially do have that character...just a thousand years jaded and completely deflated of all his former pride and grandeur. That is a lot more compelling then just playing the archetype that we're already fairly familiar with.

 

Ironically, I think they actually gave a lot of that 'trickster' behaviors to Felassan. But even he was a lot more somber than it is usually played.  

[Janic99]

You, Miss, are a genius.

Thank you XD it is actually pretty shitty version but I think I will fix it later and put some effects more there. 

[MoonDrummer]

I sometimes wonder if Solas was originally supposed to act more like you'd expect Fen'Harel to act. I keep thinking of those concept art pictures of him with hair where he's all devious looking and smirking and then that one piece with everyone shouting at the war table and him in the background smirking like he's amused.

 

If so, I'm glad they didn't go with that. He has a few peeks of wry humor and slyness every now and then in game but they don't beat you over the head with it. He very effectively gives off the vibe of a once confident, arrogant, cocky and hot-headed guy that grew up a lot after struggling for so long and failing so badly. That's 1000x more interesting than someone who acts more like a typical trickster character.

In saying that, I really want a Solas prequel to see Fen'Harel in his prime.

[Mims]

In saying that, I really want a Solas prequel to see Fen'Harel in his prime.

 

A book about the fall of Arlathan would be amazing. 

[BoscoBread]

A book about the fall of Arlathan would be amazing. 

Agreed.  I wonder if Fen'Harel slept before the fall or he was so dismayed he was just like 'i need to sleep. maybe it will be better. these things just take time...'

[Mims]

I assume he probably slept after trapping the elven gods. Either because he was completely power-drained, or he might have been compelled to sleep as a form of revenge.

 

So he saw the initial fall, attempted to prevent it, but probably missed out on Tevinter coming in and sacking the place after the war. 

[BoscoBread]

I'm curious about the fall.  He seems to pile a lot of the blame on himself but Elvhenan was a vast and powerful empire filled with a lot of very powerful mages I would assume - gods not included.  Empires fall.  Especially ones that rely too much on slave labor(Rome anybody).  Just like Anders wasn't to blame for the Mage/Templar war, I bet there was already a lot going on in the background that caused the collapse. That's why I wish we could talk to him or least figure out what the hell was going on.

[RynJ]

I assume he probably slept after trapping the elven gods. Either because he was completely power-drained, or he might have been compelled to sleep as a form of revenge.

 

So he saw the initial fall, attempted to prevent it, but probably missed out on Tevinter coming in and sacking the place after the war. 

 

I feel like if he could have, he would have stayed awake to see the effects. I'm also thinking that he completely drained himself or the process had the effect of knocking him out for a long, long time. He probably knew it would, but it seemed like he was certain that he was doing something for the better so he wasn't worried about not witnessing the following events. That he didn't expect everything to go so wrong.

[Fialka]

A book about the fall of Arlathan would be amazing. 

Especially if Weekes wrote it. That would be amazing. He does political intrigue really well (funny thing, it wasn't until my second reading of The Masked Empire that I got into that aspect of the book. At first I had a tough time getting through the first chapters before the story picked up). But I think the fall of Arlathan, or an account of the events that led up to it would make for an incredible story - one that I think warrants a full book, rather than just a couple codex entries and a few conversations game-style (though I want that too ). Like how the fourth Blight was handled in Last Flight - we learned the basic details in the game but the book really fleshed it out.

[Colonelkillabee]

A book about the fall of Arlathan would be amazing. 

I'm laughing because the elves are like Lorkhan for the elderscrolls. Everything's lorkhan in the elderscrolls. Here, everything's elves.

 

Elf this, elf that. Even the fall of their ancient city. Humans did it? WRONG. Elves, tbh.

 

lol

[Caddius]

I assume he probably slept after trapping the elven gods. Either because he was completely power-drained, or he might have been compelled to sleep as a form of revenge.

 

So he saw the initial fall, attempted to prevent it, but probably missed out on Tevinter coming in and sacking the place after the war. 

 

I assume he probably slept after trapping the elven gods. Either because he was completely power-drained, or he might have been compelled to sleep as a form of revenge.

 

So he saw the initial fall, attempted to prevent it, but probably missed out on Tevinter coming in and sacking the place after the war. 

But he definitely seems familiar with Tevinter co-opting and misinterpreting Arlathan culture and magic, which makes me think that the Fall was relatively late into human-Arlathan relations, and the Tevinter in particular. It's very interesting to imagine how the Creators would have reacted to the Neromenian Migration.

[Kryllian]

So, my question is, if he was Sleeping all that time, was he also in the Fade watching the world turn? Or is it more like total unconsciousness?

[BoscoBread]

So, my question is, if he was Sleeping all that time, was he also in the Fade watching the world turn? Or is it more like total unconsciousness?

He probably saw it, but remember the Fade is a reflection of memories AND emotions so it's probably not the whole picture.  Just echoes.  It was probably even more heartbreaking because he was just viewing hundreds of devastated and angry memories over and over and over. So he just "sees" the feelings of what he believes he caused.

[Caddius]

So, my question is, if he was Sleeping all that time, was he also in the Fade watching the world turn? Or is it more like total unconsciousness?

What Kissiebear said.

According to what we know of uthenera, the Dreamers wandered the Fade, picking up knowledge and chatting with spirits. I picture Solas as going full hibernation every once in awhile, as well as wandering the Fade.

[Kryllian]

Hey, I'm looking for links to where I can read up on all the history and pantheons of Thedas, preferably in some kind of logical order. I'm way behind on all this stuff and I get totally lost in these convos. Any suggestions? Or a compilation of codex entries?