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[Little Mama]

I also think the explosion was unexpected, there is a piece of dialogue with Solas at Haven that makes it sounds so, the one that he speaks of the artifact used to open the breach. I can't find the dialogue in youtube, but I'm 100% certain he says it must have been an unexpected result that came from unleashing really ancient powers.

 

Remember that (for all my Solas love considered) the guy is Fen'Harel, the trickster God. And he's speaking in riddles through the whole game, knowing so many things he doesn't even tell you.

Do you really think he'd admit that the explosion was intended? Of course not. 

The more I think about it the more I think it might indeed have been what was intended to happen. Cory was just not supposed to survive it. 

Or he was tricked in some way, like I was sure of before. 

 

Ah, now I'm all confused...  

[MoonDrummer]

Why wouldn't he get flemythal to unlock the orb? Also wouldn't she have an orb of her own?

[Colonelkillabee]

Pinax, what's your username? I did it already.

[Siha]

I tried it just now since I forgot to yesterday and it says the same thing. Restricted.

Yes, I just signed in and it also looks different now. I assume the owner (madrar) changed the access rights for this account.

 

Edit: No, I was mistaken. It can still add using that account. Colonel seems to know what to do... I refer to him.

[Colonelkillabee]

Why wouldn't he get flemythal to unlock the orb? Also wouldn't she have an orb of her own.

I assume she was still too weak.

 

And she might've lost hers when murdered if she had one at all.

[Pinax]

You're not doing anything wrong! Drop Madar, or someone else who is a member, a quick msg and have them add you. It's because it's private. I'm sure it's just private for the time being while they internally organize it, but the theories are still available. I would add you myself, but I no longer can. Caddius I think can add you as well. You can also login under SN: Solavellan PW: lavellan and add yourself, if you prefer.

 

Thank you so much for the help, the Solavellan login and password worked!

 

Now time for theories, mwahahahaha!

[Avejajed]

Thank you so much for the help, the Solavellan login and password worked!

 

Now time for theories, mwahahahaha!

 

Yay! Enjoy! Some great theories on that page.

[Pinax]

Pinax, what's your username? I did it already.

 

I'm in, used the Solavellan login and added myself as "Pinax". Huge thanks for the help, guys!

[Siha]

Why wouldn't he get flemythal to unlock the orb? Also wouldn't she have an orb of her own?

I assume he did not know where she is and how to contact her. Or even that she's still alive.

[Little Mama]

Why wouldn't he get flemythal to unlock the orb? Also wouldn't she have an orb of her own?

 

According to some line Solas says before Skyhold all the Gods of the elven pantheon had a orb, yes. 

But Mythal's 'actually' dead, She got murdered _{(By tevinter i believe, posing as Andraste)}

Her Orb might have been destroyed. At least it's no longer with her.

[Fialka]

And it never occurred to him to think about what to do if his plan backfires? Sloppy.

Sloppy? Well, sure... but if we take Cory's 'years in the making' dialogue to mean he's held the orb for years (I'm thinking since shortly after he woke, and I believe the devs have said Legacy is supposed to have occurred at some point between Acts 2 and 3... That's what - between 5 and 10 years before the Conclave? So it's possible Solas 'gave' him the orb before the Kirkwall Chantry is destroyed. At which point, i doubt anyone would have conceived of something like the Conclave - a giant gathering of very important people all in one place, as there wouldn't have been a need before the mage/templar war began. I imagine Solas figured in the unlikely event things didn't go as planned (and unlikely that would have seemed - Solas is the proud one, after all) what was the worst that could happen? A city gets wiped out? He might see that as a tragic, but acceptable loss.

I also think the explosion was unexpected, there is a piece of dialogue with Solas at Haven that makes it sounds so, the one that he speaks of the artifact used to open the breach. I can't find the dialogue in youtube, but I'm 100% certain he says it must have been an unexpected result that came from unleashing really ancient powers.

Also this. He might have figured the 'worst case scenario' I described would be that Cory would figure it out, gain some power, and open up the veil. Unfortunate, but manageable. As we saw in DAO and DAA, Fade tears can be fixed. And a powerful being like Cory can certainly be killed under normal circumstances - it could well be that Solas always intended to lend his aid to whatever group came forward to defeat him in the event he survived, as one surely would. Because people always do. and as for the orb, it could be that he had no idea they could even be destroyed, since he didn't even know they could be used by another.

[Fialka]

Why wouldn't he get flemythal to unlock the orb? Also wouldn't she have an orb of her own?

Solas likely thought her dead. When you enter Mythal's temple, he says 'And so she endured,' in a way that sounds surprised.

 

He may have known of Flemeth, but not realized her connection to Mythal. It could also be having her open it would have killed her, which he might not have wanted since Flemeth has a reputation for helping out heroes in times of crisis. While he might see Cory as an acceptable loss, Flemeth would not be. Which makes me wonder if a the sacrifice is in fact necessary to open it in the absence of the owner's power? Or maybe there's a failsafe of sorts? Hm.

[CapricornSun]

*quietly slips this in* 

 

http://ruxandralache...s-because-i-had

[Siha]

Sloppy? Well, sure... but if we take Cory's 'years in the making' dialogue to mean he's held the orb for years (I'm thinking since shortly after he woke, and I believe the devs have said Legacy is supposed to have occurred at some point between Acts 2 and 3... That's what - between 5 and 10 years before the Conclave? So it's possible Solas 'gave' him the orb before the Kirkwall Chantry is destroyed. At which point, i doubt anyone would have conceived of something like the Conclave - a giant gathering of very important people all in one place, as there wouldn't have been a need before the mage/templar war began. I imagine Solas figured in the unlikely even things didn't go as planned (and unlikely that would have seemed - Solas is the proud one, after all) what was the worst that could happen? A city gets wiped out? He might have see that as a tragic, but acceptable loss.

 

Yes, I assume everybody with a great vision would sacrifice a few people. But what was the plan? What are the reasons that made him decide the way he did?

So, Cory got the orb around Kirkwall Act 2. Why? Why did Solas give it away right after waking instead of taking his time to become powerful enough himself? He could at least have tried to power up before handing out a powerful artifact to anybody. He must have had a reason for that.

Then he let Cory run around with it for awhile, obviously without doing much himself. Why? Second dubious reason.

Then Cory went to the conclave, and obviously he needed the Divine for his plan. He must have panned something beforehand. You don't sit around idly for 4 years until suddenly there's an unexpected mage rebellion. Or at least I would find that very odd. So, between being freed, getting the orb, and the rebellion Cory must have done something, planned somehow. Also, his plan was rather extensive. It included the mages, the Templars, the Wardens, and the orb. Solas must have known. How come so many things surprised him throughout the game?

 

Seeing all the time that must have passed and that Solas surely observed Cory all the time I just find it so hard to believe he really only thought "He'll die, no problem". Sure, we can say that's what the Nightmare refers to: "Your pride will be the death of you". But I would just be very disappointed of somebody like Solas to make such decisions without a really good reason.

[Mims]

Why wouldn't he get flemythal to unlock the orb? Also wouldn't she have an orb of her own?

 

I'm not sure he actually knew she was still alive. He mentions offhandedly searching the swamps and he apparently did come to Flemeth's hut- but its possible he was just searching for any powerful mages. 

 

When he says that Mythal endures at the temple, he seems legitimately surprised. 

[caridounette]

Well I jsut got the war table mission about Solas' orbs and the What Lies Dormant quest to close some rift in the Hinterlands. Of cours its not on my Solavellan run, but I guess its better than nothing.

 

Anyone else got the quest working for them after the patch ?

[WildSky214]

Sorry if this has already been talked about, but I was just doing the Crestwood Astrariums, and two of them mention the constellations being associated with the old gods of Tevinter and an elven god.

Spoiler tagged for codex entry:

Spoiler

Referred to as "Silence" in the common parlance, the constellation Silentir is historically attributed to Dumat, the Old God of Silence and leader of the ancient Tevinter pantheon. The depiction of the constellation, however, is often debated. Some depict a dragon in flight, while others (also the most common modern depictions) show a man carrying a horn and a wand. Some scholars believe these represented scales, which would point to this constellation being a supplantation of the elven Mythal, but nothing indicates this to be more than speculation.

--From A Study of Thedosian Astronomy by Sister Oran Petrarchius

Spoiler

Called "Shadow" in the common parlance, likely due to the ancient association of the constellation Tenebrium with Lusacan, the Old God of darkness and the night. It is odd, however, that the depiction for this constellation has always been an owl and not a dragon, even in the Tevinter texts. This lends credence to the widely-held belief that Tenebrium was a name meant to supplant an older, elven association - perhaps with the elven god Falon'Din, sometimes represented in tales as a giant owl. There is, of course, another explanation: owls are nocturnal hunters, and among earlier people, were considered terrifying omens of loss.
--From A Study of Thedosian Astronomy by Sister Oran Petrarchius

It's a little off topic, probably already been discussed, and probably means nothing, but I just discovered this and it got me excited.

[nranola]

*quietly slips this in* 

 

http://ruxandralache...s-because-i-had

 

I see Fade tongue. Me gusta. 

 

Seriously though, this is beautiful. I'm forever impressed with people who can animate with this much detail and in such a fluid fashion.

[Avejajed]

Sorry if this has already been talked about, but I was just doing the Crestwood Astrariums, and two of them mention the constellations being associated with the old gods of Tevinter and an elven god.

Spoiler tagged for codex entry:

Spoiler

Referred to as "Silence" in the common parlance, the constellation Silentir is historically attributed to Dumat, the Old God of Silence and leader of the ancient Tevinter pantheon. The depiction of the constellation, however, is often debated. Some depict a dragon in flight, while others (also the most common modern depictions) show a man carrying a horn and a wand. Some scholars believe these represented scales, which would point to this constellation being a supplantation of the elven Mythal, but nothing indicates this to be more than speculation.

--From A Study of Thedosian Astronomy by Sister Oran Petrarchius

Spoiler

Called "Shadow" in the common parlance, likely due to the ancient association of the constellation Tenebrium with Lusacan, the Old God of darkness and the night. It is odd, however, that the depiction for this constellation has always been an owl and not a dragon, even in the Tevinter texts. This lends credence to the widely-held belief that Tenebrium was a name meant to supplant an older, elven association - perhaps with the elven god Falon'Din, sometimes represented in tales as a giant owl. There is, of course, another explanation: owls are nocturnal hunters, and among earlier people, were considered terrifying omens of loss.
--From A Study of Thedosian Astronomy by Sister Oran Petrarchius

It's a little off topic, probably already been discussed, and probably means nothing, but I just discovered this and it got me excited.

I think they are connected somehow, though how I'm not sure. I'm not convinced one way or another. I think you can make a case that they -are- one and the same and the archdemons are like...idk. not the old gods.

But, that's a theory I haven't typed up. I did spend one afternoon theorizing who each one would have been.

[CapricornSun]

I see Fade tongue. Me gusta. 

 

Seriously though, this is beautiful. I'm forever impressed with people who can animate with this much detail and in such a fluid fashion.

 

I know right? Mmm... Fade tongue... 

 

But yeah, I envy people who could animate stuff like his. Wish I knew how. 

[Patchwork]

Note to self, invest in Mind Blast. Poor Solas got Zerg rushed by the Blades of Hessarian's mabari in what might as well be a repeat of this:

 

 

So even in stories Fen'Harel has a thing for the Fade and entering dreams. Interesting. 

[nikki-tikki]

What if the only way to have Solas.... required tears?

So if we cry ALOT can we have him back?????      

[Shari'El]

Remember that (for all my Solas love considered) the guy is Fen'Harel, the trickster God. And he's speaking in riddles through the whole game, knowing so many things he doesn't even tell you.

Do you really think he'd admit that the explosion was intended? Of course not. 

The more I think about it the more I think it might indeed have been what was intended to happen. Cory was just not supposed to survive it. 

Or he was tricked in some way, like I was sure of before. 

 

Ah, now I'm all confused...  

 

But the 'trickster god' is the label he got from the Dalish. He is the god of rebellion, not trickery. 

He is also horrible at concealing emotions and he is really suspicious through the entire game for that reason.

I barely outright lies, and when he does he does it badly "uhhhh FADE! Yes, I saw it in the fade!", he doesn't like lying, he disapproves when he has to lie after the Winter Palace. He is more likely to avoid telling things rather than tell a blatant lie.

He is really compassionate, it's quite obvious, his writer did tell us that you get to see who he really is through his banters.

 

Plus, he looked horrified when he saw what the explosion caused. Maybe he didn't intend for Coryflakes to live on after unlocking the ord but I don't think he thought it would cause a large scale explosion.

[Illyria]

What if the only way to have Solas.... required tears?

 

*shakes fist*

 

ALLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[Mims]

I'm paraphrasing, but I believe one of the disapproval dialogues for Solas after the well of sorrows implies that he enjoys watching those who grasp for power only to be staggered by the very power they are trying to control. 

 

I imagine that's the sort of irony he was going for with Corypheus. He probably smugly thought that Corypheus was going to take the orb, power it up, and then kill himself in the process of trying to access it. Which unfortunately turned into another instance of Solas's pride getting the better of him- he completely underestimated Corypheus's abilities. 

 

I don't think he intended for the explosion to happen. But the fact that he was trailing Corypheus does leave me to think that he did know something was going down, and waited it out rather than intervene.