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[Patchwork]

Wait...where did he sacrifice anyone?  He betrays them - in a way - but he doesn't really put them in any danger -- at least intentionally -- for his cause.  He actually leaves. He sacrifices his own happiness to put as much distance between himself and the Inquisition. 

 

And I don't think he views the deaths of strangers as "nothing".  Remember his banter between him and Bull about how he did not enjoy killing bandits.  He does have a heart.

 

He sacrifices his relationship with Lavellan and kills Mythal because to him his cause is more important. He puts that cause above everything, his own happiness, other people and if in the end success means his own life he'd give that too. He does none of it lightly but it's a price he considers worth paying. 

 

I'm not trying to discount his good qualities but for whatever reason, guilt or something else, he's determined to fix what he's broken. 

[Pinax]

I could see the Inquisitor linked to Fen'Harel in the sense that we now have his power. What I'd like to know is if greater entities might actually mistake the Inquisitor for Fen'Harel in disguise, given that we presumably have the lion's share of his distinct magic. Which could make an interesting plot point if, say, an angry elven god was to target you thinking you were him. 

 

I doubt it, to be honest, though your post makes me think of a fanfic which I believe nicely explores the topic of "Fen'harel's mark" on Inquisitor's hand (+lots of onions, tones of them Link

[Missy_MI]

He also seems actually surprised that Corypheus can even access all that power in the orb.  Solas probably only thought a mage could just help him power it up, not actually use it.  That's why I don't think he intended for anything at the Conclave to happen even as a side-effect.  Kind of a theme with him - he tends to be blinded by his own wisdom and continues to make mistakes because of it.

 

I agree with this. And I also think Solas was technically correct in his judgement because he didn't realize Cornflakes could body hop.

 

My take on the Temple of Sacred Ashes events:

Spoiler

The Inquisitor takes the orb, unlocking it, and gaining the Anchor. The power blast (seeking release for a thousand years as Solas says) wipes out everyone, including Cornflakes. The orb's power, combined with the (unintentional?) blood sacrifice of hundreds of mages and templars, rips open the Breach. Cornflakes body hops to whatever blighted minion was closest and retrieves the orb before Leliana's forces arrive.

 

The Inquisitor is transported into the Fade by the Anchor, (just like at Adamant) which is how she survives. The Nightmare demon steals her memories and then she wakes up - at the start of the game. The Inquisitor is clearly in the Fade during the opening game cutscene - the Nightmare spiders chase her and the glowing spirit of Justinia delays them so she can escape through a rift - and back into Thedas where the chantry forces find her.

 

Solas tells Cassandra something like 'When this is all over, one hopes the Inquisition will remember those who helped'. I think he figured once the Breach was closed and he was in the Inquisition's good graces, they'd agree to let him study the orb and then he could disappear with it. He seems dumfounded that the orb is gone.

[drake2511]

Guys I've got a little question..
Anybody knows what Solas replies to your non romanced character if you tell him "Sounds like you're leaving"?
I remember my Trevelyan had that option after What Pride has Wrought but I never pick that cause I always want to thank him instead. 

I am curious to see what he makes up if you tell him that

Quizzy asks if he's planning to leave before beating Coryfish. He replies "no, but there may not be a later, it seems wise to say my goodbyes now." or something similar
here's the link! http://youtu.be/2UOV_5ML-q8?t=1m12s

[Addai]

What sort of Fade-touched, moon-barking madness took over the thread last night. It's brilliant, OMG.

I love seeing Solas in a flower crown.
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And I always love seeing Solas in a cloak. He looks so mysterious. 
 

http://da-vhenan.tum...riginal-take-on

He looks too young here, but otherwise I do like anything in the hermit tarot vein. Not so much with the flower crown. What is it about sticking flowers on these ancient badass male elves' heads?
 

They felt that there were too many straight romance options for females and not enough for straight males... which I feel is untrue, considering that a lot of the female romance options are race-gated anyways. In the end, we're pretty even.

*insert eyeroll gif*

I have no sympathy for the straight male romance whines after seeing so many of them in the forum. And if they can't appreciate Cass then there's just something wrong with them anyway.
 

I fully agree with the Colonel that Solas is badass and ruthless as he sees fit. I believe he might have given the orb to Cory without hesitation even knowing that it would kill a few hundred (thousand?) people at the Conclave, destroy all of humanity, and exterminate the last unicorn. However, I believe he had some really convincing reason and this "Hmmm... Cory surely dies in the attempt, so that's two birds with one stone"-theory does not sit well with me. It's just too... simple? Even I would not make a decision like that based on so vague a suspicion, so how would he? I'm not willing to give my phone away, surely I would not simply hand over an artifact of immense power (assuming I had one). I suppose any half decent person would consider different possible outcomes of his actions and come up with a plan B, C, and possibly D. If Solas really gave Cory the orb simply hoping it would kill him, he must have stopped planning half way through A, as he doesn't have a clue about how to solve that mess.

People conclude that based on what he says, which is really our only clues as to his thought process. I don't think he anticipated the Conclave- he says it was undoubtedly a mistake Corypheus made, so evidently that was not something he anticipated. I believe Solas can be ruthless but that would just be stupid evil which I don't think he is.

His dialogue with Dorian suggests the Tevinters also were familiar with the orbs, so Solas possibly anticipated that Corypheus would recognize it. It's possible he thought that once the orb activated, it would give him his power back and he could eliminate Corypheus. Instead, Corypheus usurped its power somehow, maybe by tainting it?

[Colonelkillabee]

So... Why is the mark called the anchor? Anchored to what, exactly?

Anchors reality maybe? You either reinforce the real world or you reinforce the fade's.

[Colonelkillabee]

Instead, Corypheus usurped its power somehow, maybe by tainting it?

It is charged with red lyrium, and only as he holds it. Someone also gave a theory that tainted magisters using their magic on lyrium is what makes red lyrium. Both are supposedly tied to gods, the lyrium according to the profane.

 

So in other words, yes I think that's likely. Even if Corypheus survived, not anyone could just casually wield the orb when its under Solas' influence after all. I bet Solas did something while we slept and kept us alive to make us more agreeable both with the marker and his orb, so that we could take it from Cornflakes.

[Patchwork]

So... Why is the mark called the anchor? Anchored to what, exactly?

 

Allows someone physically walk in the Fade and protects anyone who comes along for the ride?

 

Anchoring them to the waking world. 

[Siha]

. Corypheus comments on Solas during the final battle, but doesn't seem to recognize him, thinking he's simply a "ragged mage".

...which is probably another hint to us, indicating that Solas is indeed just a new body for the soul of Fen'Harel and that when he gave Corypheus the orb he used another shape... (blasphemy, I know! )

[almasy87]

Quizzy asks if he's planning to leave before beating Coryfish. He replies "no, but there may not be a later, it seems wise to say my goodbyes now." or something similar
here's the link! http://youtu.be/2UOV_5ML-q8?t=1m12s

Fair played thanks for the link

[Colonelkillabee]

...which is probably another hint to us, indicating that Solas is indeed just a new body for the soul of Fen'Harel and that when he gave Corypheus the orb he used another shape... (blasphemy, I know! )

Interesting. That or he did indeed leave it somewhere for Cory to find it.

[Addai]

It is charged with red lyrium, and only as he holds it. Someone also gave a theory that tainted magisters using their magic on lyrium is what makes red lyrium. Both are supposedly tied to gods, the lyrium according to the profane.
 
So in other words, yes I think that's likely. Even if Corypheus survived, not anyone could just casually wield the orb when its under Solas' influence after all. I bet Solas did something while we slept and kept us alive to make us more agreeable both with the marker and his orb, so that we could take it from Cornflakes.

I do wonder what he tried to do while the Herald was out.

I never really thought about it before, but possibly our character blundering in is what caused the Conclave to go boom. Corypheus had Wardens there so he might have anticipated dying in the ritual, but maybe it was the instability caused by our interruption and the orb landing in an unprepared hand that caused the explosion. Something to consider for those who blame Solas for the Breach. The Inquisitor might be just as responsible, though not as culpable since whatever Solas' plan was with the orb and Corypheus it clearly backfired.
 

...which is probably another hint to us, indicating that Solas is indeed just a new body for the soul of Fen'Harel and that when he gave Corypheus the orb he used another shape... (blasphemy, I know! )

Nightmare knows who he is, so it doesn't make sense to me that Corypheus doesn't, except that Solas is using a trick like he does with Cole when he hides his plans from him. I mean, Corypheus should be able to sense power even if he looks different. Solas also would be able to shapeshift if he had more of his god powers, which he might have before Corypheus took the orb and made him even weaker.

[Colonelkillabee]

I do wonder what he tried to do while the Herald was out.

I never really thought about it before, but possibly our character blundering in is what caused the Conclave to go boom. Corypheus had Wardens there so he might have anticipated dying in the ritual, but maybe it was the instability caused by our interruption and the orb landing in an unprepared hand that caused the explosion. Something to consider for those who blame Solas for the Breach. The Inquisitor might be just as responsible, though not as culpable since whatever Solas' plan was with the orb and Corypheus it clearly backfired.

It did start going haywire all of a sudden, yea. Though I'd say considering everything, it wouldn't make us "responsible" since Cory would have lived and so on, then doom. What this does is takes away blame period. The conclave going boom is a cost that was worth it, considering the alternative was Corndog being unchallenged.

 

Solas owes us, basically.

 

edit: Wait, actually that still puts the blame on Solas Because the boom had to happen from our interruption to correct his error.

[Siha]

I could see the Inquisitor linked to Fen'Harel in the sense that we now have his power.

Too sad drinking from the well is an optional choice. Otherwise the inquisitor would definitely be bound to Mythal and as a consequence to Solas.

 

 

He [...] and kills Mythal because to him his cause is more important. 

We do not know that. We see Flemeth sink into his arms, lifeless. But Flemeth was only a body. And it was old, already failing. We know that from DAO (and DA2, a bit). Mythal might have chosen to leave it and have the younger Solas take her soul in (possibly until a replacement is found) as Morrigan refused to be a vessel. I would not say he killed her or that it was a hostile takeover. "The soul is not forced on the unwilling", but surely it is also not so easy to steal a soul. She cannot have the OGS in Kieran without his assistance either. She needed the boy's cooperation, else she could have just taken it without all the fuss.

[Siha]

Interesting. That or he did indeed leave it somewhere for Cory to find it.

That idea has been brought up. But it's also risky. Just imagine Hawke had found it. BOOM!

[Shari'El]

Felassan isn't Dalish (and it's suspected he's an ancient elf), but he tells some stories about Fen'Harel, and seems to have an uncanny knowledge about Elvhenan and Arlathan. Felassan tells Briala one story about Elvhenan that features the Dread Wolf:

 

Felassan: "There was a young noble in fair Arlathan, and it happened that the elven king lost one of his two daughters to a serpent's bite. At the ceremony to commemorate her life, the young noble saw an elven lady so fair and perfect that his heart broke - but by the laws of ancient Arlathan, he was forbidden to speak with her during the ceremony, and he did not learn who she was, so he could not ask her family to court her. The young noble prayed to the gods that he might meet the elven lady again. He prayed to Mythal for love, and Dirthamen for the secret of the elven lady's name, and to Andruil for luck in the hunt for this woman. And finally, he made an offering to Fen'Harel...and the Dread Wolf was the only one who answered. In a dream that night, he told the noble what he needed to do to see his heart's love again. Do you know what he said?"

 

Briala: "Kill the king's other daughter."

 

Felassan tells another story about Fen'Harel to Briala about a village:

 

"The god Fen'Harel was asked by a village to kill a great beast. He came to the beast at dawn, and saw its strength, and knew it would slay him if he fought it. So instead, he shot an arrow up into the sky. The villagers asked Fen'Harel how he would save them, and he said to them, 'When did I say that I would save you?' And he left, and the great beast came into the village that night and killed the warriors, and the women, and the elders. It came to the children and opened its great maw, but then the arrow that Fen'Harel had loosed fell from the sky into the great beast's mouth, and killed it. The children of the village wept for their parents and elders, but still they made an offering to Fen'Harel of thanks, for he had done what the villagers had asked. He had killed the beast, with his cunning, and a slow arrow that the beast never noticed."

 

I know the slow arrow one, I don't think it's trickster-ish. And maybe not even the first story.

It's a matter of perspective and knowledge, both we lack in these stories. 

I recall several interpretations of the slow arrow story, one being that it's a metaphor, another one that says that Fen'Harel knew he couldn't save everybody and that he can't risk himself doing so, so he left a trap to minimize causalities.... or something of the sort. 

 

Point is, we don't know anything about Solas, but I don't like being rash about deciding things about him since he is a very complex character. We also don't know who Felassan is, obviously, he could have an agenda against Fen'Harel. If we don't try to read into these stories then we get stories in which Fen'Harel isn't being a trickster, he is being cunning and a bit malicious.

[nikki-tikki]

Too sad drinking from the well is an optional choice. Otherwise the inquisitor would definitely be bound to Mythal and as a consequence to Solas.

 

 

We do not know that. We see Flemeth sink into his arms, lifeless. But Flemeth was only a body. And it was old, already failing. We know that from DAO (and DA2, a bit). Mythal might have chosen to leave it and have the younger Solas take her soul in (possibly until a replacement is found) as Morrigan refused to be a vessel. I would not say he killed her or that it was a hostile takeover. "The soul is not forced on the unwilling", but surely it is also not so easy to steal a soul. She cannot have the OGS in Kieran without his assistance either. She needed the boy's cooperation, else she could have just taken it without all the fuss.

Yeah but if Morrigan drank from the well she could have ordered her to be her next body anyways? Or you as the Inquisitor.

[Colonelkillabee]

As for why Cornflakes didn't notice Solas, what Addai said about recognizing his power, and nightmare knowing him just makes me more convinced that Solas placed the orb somewhere he could find it, rather than a face to face meeting. He has control of the wardens, it wouldn't be far fetched to think one of them brought it to their boss after being ordered to search some elven ruin or wherever Solas was. In fact, maybe Cory sensed Solas when he woke and the power of the orb with him.

[Siha]

Nightmare knows who he is, so it doesn't make sense to me that Corypheus doesn't, except that Solas is using a trick like he does with Cole when he hides his plans from him. I mean, Corypheus should be able to sense power even if he looks different. Solas also would be able to shapeshift if he had more of his god powers, which he might have before Corypheus took the orb and made him even weaker.

Nightmare is a demon in the Fade. Corypheus is a Darkspawn who goes out of his way attempting to get into the Fade. You can hardly compare them. Corypheus might be powerful but that does not mean he is all-knowing and all-sensing. He is very much prone to error, or else his plan would have worked instead of resulting in a big mess only because somebody opened a door. He did not even think of locking it before starting his ritual. So much for Corypheus and his strategic mind.

[Pinax]

I do wonder what he tried to do while the Herald was out.

I never really thought about it before, but possibly our character blundering in is what caused the Conclave to go boom. Corypheus had Wardens there so he might have anticipated dying in the ritual, but maybe it was the instability caused by our interruption and the orb landing in an unprepared hand that caused the explosion. Something to consider for those who blame Solas for the Breach. The Inquisitor might be just as responsible, though not as culpable since whatever Solas' plan was with the orb and Corypheus it clearly backfired.

 

Just in case someone reading this thread did not beat the game yet.

Spoiler

 

My instincts tell me Cory got the orb before the conclave, his ways with Fen'Harel parted and Solas was not even aware of his Grey Wardens+sacrifice Justinia plan. I think his fury against Grey Wardens results also from them participating in such a cruel ritual, something like: "WTF (Cory, wardens etc.) are you using MY ORB for?"

 

I need to review yt to remind myself how Solas actually gets involved into the Inquisition, as he appears too fast on the scene after the conclave to explain he was not aware of something bigger Cory was planning there.

 

Hmm, btw.... how do you think the wardens and Cory entered the conclave, captured Justinia etc.? They weren't invited after all (well, ok, our PC neither, but we're just 1 person of non importance )

[Colonelkillabee]

That idea has been brought up. But it's also risky. Just imagine Hawke had found it. BOOM!

I doubt Hawke could even activate it, and like others said, Solas wasn't expecting an explosion.

[Siha]

Yeah but if Morrigan drank from the well she could have ordered her to be her next body anyways? Or you as the Inquisitor.

"A soul is not forced on the unwilling". She can control the body but never the mind. If the mind refuses to take in the soul she cannot. She clearly says so.

[MaidenM]

About how Cory got the orb, someone mentioned something a while ago that gave me a theory.

 

In the Legacy DLC, you are able to loot a "warm orb". Someone mentioned that it might just be THE orb.

 

Here's my thought: Solas knew where Cory was, and that the dwarves where trying to wake him up. He gave them the orb to be passed on to Cory. Hawke almost takes it but uses it to summon the optional boss, then leaves it. Cory/warden host finds it, along with notes from his dead servants on what it is perhaps?

 

Cory gets the orb, Solas remains anonymous, Hawke screws things up as usual, neat and tidy... right?

 

Granted, this all hinges on Solas knowing about Cory even before his awakening, and if Solas woke up in DA2's act 3 (as the Black Emporium note might imply) it doesn't make sense timeline-wise...

 

Maybe I shouldn't theorycraft when I just woke up...

[Illyria]

Guys I've got a little question..
Anybody knows what Solas replies to your non romanced character if you tell him "Sounds like you're leaving"?
I remember my Trevelyan had that option after What Pride has Wrought but I never pick that cause I always want to thank him instead. 

I am curious to see what he makes up if you tell him that

 

I don't know because I've only reached that far with a romanced Lavellan, but it's interesting that Solas seems to be planning on leaving if he's unromanced.  Since the romanced converstation plays out differently and Lavellan doesn't get that option it implies he planned on sticking around for her.  And then came the talk in Crestwood.

 

Oh no, I made myself sad.