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[Elven_Glory]

So, does anyone besids me headcanon that Solas started crushing on Lavellan first? As in... while he was caring for her and her mark, while she was passed out? Like, at first he only notices the big glowy hand because that's the obvious part, doesn't really pay much attention to the body it's attached to, but then, his eyes start to drift away toward her face and when he sees it, he'S lishit.Oh ****. She's pretty cute."

Of course, I imagine he would just cast the thought aside at that point, waiting until Lavellan is actually awake and he gets to kno her before the real feelings start, but that's where the spark first occurs in my headcanon. Before she even wakes up.

Anyone else have Solavellan romance origin stories like that?

[Siha]

As for why Cornflakes didn't notice Solas, what Addai said about recognizing his power, and nightmare knowing him just makes me more convinced that Solas placed the orb somewhere he could find it, rather than a face to face meeting. He has control of the wardens, it wouldn't be far fetched to think one of them brought it to their boss after being ordered to search some elven ruin or wherever Solas was. In fact, maybe Cory sensed Solas when he woke and the power of the orb with him.

How does that convince you? It seems rather odd to me. She pointed out that Cory obviously does not sense if somebody infront of him is powerful or not (else he would notice the power in Solas). That means Solas probably only has to put on a wig, get a fake mustache and a pair of glasses and Cory thinks "Great, another of them hipsters" and never recognizes him afterwards. So meeting him while in another body is surely an option.

 

 

I doubt Hawke could even activate it, and like others said, Solas wasn't expecting an explosion.

It was a joke...

[Colonelkillabee]

About how Cory got the orb, someone mentioned something a while ago that gave me a theory.

 

In the Legacy DLC, you are able to loot a "warm orb". Someone mentioned that it might just be THE orb.

 

Here's my thought: Solas knew where Cory was, and that the dwarves where trying to wake him up. He gave them the orb to be passed on to Cory. Hawke almost takes it but uses it to summon the optional boss, then leaves it. Cory/warden host finds it, along with notes from his dead servants on what it is perhaps?

 

Cory gets the orb, Solas remains anonymous, Hawke screws things up as usual, neat and tidy... right?

 

Granted, this all hinges on Solas knowing about Cory even before his awakening, and if Solas woke up in DA2's act 3 (as the Black Emporium note might imply) it doesn't make sense timeline-wise...

 

Maybe I shouldn't theorycraft when I just woke up...

 

 

This may be it actually:

 

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Warm_Orb

 

http://dragonage.wik...Great_One's_Key

 

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Malvernis

 

Interesting.

[Siha]

Cory gets the orb, Solas remains anonymous, Hawke screws things up as usual, neat and tidy... right?

 

 

 

(Nice theory.)

 

HEY! I was a very good champion. I feel totally misunderstood. Why does all the world say I screwed up?

[Colonelkillabee]

How does that convince you? It seems rather odd to me. She pointed out that Cory obviously does not sense if somebody infront of him is powerful or not (else he would notice the power in Solas). That means Solas probably only has to put on a wig, get a fake mustache and a pair of glasses and Cory thinks "Great, another of them hipsters" and never recognizes him afterwards. So meeting him while in another body is surely an option.

Solas is also weakened now. Without the orb even deactivated, possibly even moreso.

[LobselVith8]

Not to mention Solas shows a fondness for tricksters in the game. At one point he asks Varric why there are no tricksters in dwarven literature? He admires Briala (whether or not you help her) because she is an underdog who tries to or does (depending on whether you helped her) overthrow the system using nothing but her wit and limited resources "in a world that looks at her and sees only a pair of pointed ears."

He also shows some tendencies himself, as Blackwall teaches him Diamondback, then he turns around and uses his wit to beat him so soundsly Blackwall as to use a bucket to cover his bits all the way back to his quarters. During the Orlesian Ball, Solas willingly goes into disguise as your elven manservant (complete with Orlesian mask, it's implied), and REVELS in the disguise. He loves the atmosphere of danger and intrigue, is implied to have experienced it in ancient Arlathan, and it's implied he loved it back then too. He revels in playing the Game and being in disguise, spying and tricking and beating people at their own game. He can also troll Sera when he feels like it.

Some important characteristics is they use their wits to outsmart enemies (usually by beating them at their own game), they play both sides of the field, letting different sides think they are harmless and/or their allies and use the information/leverage they gain from that trust to hurt them or help them depending on their whims. They feel most comfortable adopting many different identities and personas instead of being limited to one. (Not for nothing tricksters in many cultures are able to shapeshift and/or change their gender even if other members of their pantheon might not.)

While Solas seems to have grown and matured beyond some of the more wild and unpredictable trickster tendencies, there seems to be still lingering signs and fondness for it on his part.

 

Very astute observations there. I concur; Solas is a highly intelligent and cunning person, and he does make reference to being different when he was younger. We see an example of his intellect when he outwits Iron Bull in a game of mental chess by allowing him some small victories in order to win the overall game. He also manages to infiltrate an Andrastian organization (headed by Cassandra at the time) as a hedge mage, and plays the role so perfectly that even Ben-Hassrath agent Iron Bull can't tell that Solas is hiding his true identity (despite being able to spot the deception enacted by others in the narrative, including Blackwall).

[Siha]

Solas is also weakened now.

And was even more so when he woke.

[Pinax]

I don't know because I've only reached that far with a romanced Lavellan, but it's interesting that Solas seems to be planning on leaving if he's unromanced.  Since the romanced converstation plays out differently and Lavellan doesn't get that option it implies he planned on sticking around for her.  And then came the talk in Crestwood.

 

Oh no, I made myself sad.

Spoiler

Oh no, there is this 3rd conversation option where Lavellan can pick "Hey, don't worry so much" or sth and says something like: "You sound like you're going to die, we'll make it together etc." and Solas: "I hope you're right". Damned, right I am!

[Shari'El]

I don't know because I've only reached that far with a romanced Lavellan, but it's interesting that Solas seems to be planning on leaving if he's unromanced.  Since the romanced converstation plays out differently and Lavellan doesn't get that option it implies he planned on sticking around for her.  And then came the talk in Crestwood.

 

Oh no, I made myself sad.

 

I read this and then went no no no no no no

I never took this option with my Lavellan, she decided to go with the "so... goodbye kiss?"

 

Now.. The feels.. Ahhhhhh

Spoiler

Push it out

[Pinax]

So, does anyone besids me headcanon that Solas started crushing on Lavellan first? As in... while he was caring for her and her mark, while she was passed out? Like, at first he only notices the big glowy hand because that's the obvious part, doesn't really pay much attention to the body it's attached to, but then, his eyes start to drift away toward her face and when he sees it, he'S lishit.Oh ****. She's pretty cute."

Of course, I imagine he would just cast the thought aside at that point, waiting until Lavellan is actually awake and he gets to kno her before the real feelings start, but that's where the spark first occurs in my headcanon. Before she even wakes up.

Anyone else have Solavellan romance origin stories like that?

Yes, yes, yes! The "undominable focus" etc. is just a side effect of the first treatment in my headcanon too

[NightSymphony]

So, does anyone besids me headcanon that Solas started crushing on Lavellan first? As in... while he was caring for her and her mark, while she was passed out? Like, at first he only notices the big glowy hand because that's the obvious part, doesn't really pay much attention to the body it's attached to, but then, his eyes start to drift away toward her face and when he sees it, he'S lishit.Oh ****. She's pretty cute."

Of course, I imagine he would just cast the thought aside at that point, waiting until Lavellan is actually awake and he gets to kno her before the real feelings start, but that's where the spark first occurs in my headcanon. Before she even wakes up.

Anyone else have Solavellan romance origin stories like that?

For my Lavellan story...  Solas thought she was beautiful as he was trying to keep the mark from killing her while she was unconscious. She reminded him of someone but he couldn't remember who. He knew what color her eyes would be before she opened them. He was impressed that the mark hadn't killed her right away. She must have a very strong mind. He actually went into her dreams and helped her wake up before the mark spread too much. Of course she doesn't remember this, but thinks he looks familiar too for some reason.

[CapricornSun]

So, does anyone besids me headcanon that Solas started crushing on Lavellan first? As in... while he was caring for her and her mark, while she was passed out? Like, at first he only notices the big glowy hand because that's the obvious part, doesn't really pay much attention to the body it's attached to, but then, his eyes start to drift away toward her face and when he sees it, he'S lishit.Oh ****. She's pretty cute."

Of course, I imagine he would just cast the thought aside at that point, waiting until Lavellan is actually awake and he gets to kno her before the real feelings start, but that's where the spark first occurs in my headcanon. Before she even wakes up.

Anyone else have Solavellan romance origin stories like that?

 

I've played around with that idea actually. It makes a cute headcanon. It's a pity we never actually get to see Solas examining our mark (obviously, because we're passed out). It would've been very interesting.

 

Or imagine if they incorporated a scene like in the beginning of Mass Effect 2 with Miranda and Shepard?

 

 

Just replace Miranda with Solas and Shepard with Lavellan.

[Siha]

Hmm, I don't get why Solas, if romanced, is extremely mad if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well. Sure she's handing over her soul to "Mythal", but doesn't he trust Flemeth?

I wonder, too. Different possibilities...

Maybe it is just his deep belief in freedom and self-control that he reacts to badly.

Maybe he knows what a burden it is to have all the voices in your head.

Maybe the "vessel" is to be sacrificed (we don't know what happened to those who previously drank).

Maybe he knows you should never fully trust anybody, not even Mythal.

Maybe his plan is rather evil and he does not wish the inquisitor to be his strongest enemy later.

... do we have more theories?

[drake2511]

Hmm, I don't get why Solas, if romanced, is extremely mad if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well. Sure she's handing over her soul to "Mythal", but doesn't he trust Flemeth?

He's not that mad if not romanced? I still haven't reached that part with a non-doomed-Lavellan.

[BoscoBread]

Hmm, I don't get why Solas, if romanced, is extremely mad if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well. Sure she's handing over her soul to "Mythal", but doesn't he trust Flemeth?

He's mad at any friendly Inquisitor that drinks from the well.  He tells you straight up - you're Mythal's creature. Everything you do is for her whether you know it or not.  You've sold a part of yourself into servitude and he is all about the freedom.   You are bound to her will - or rather the collective will of her priests over the years.  She controls that. 

[Elven_Glory]

I've played around with that idea actually. It makes a cute headcanon. It's a pity we never actually get to see Solas examining our mark (obviously, because we're passed out). It would've been very interesting.

Or imagine if they incorporated a scene like in the beginning of Mass Effect 2 with Miranda and Shepard?



Just replace Miranda with Solas and Shepard with Lavellan.

Yes, I headcannon something to this effect as well (funny you should mention that, as I am playing thrpugh ME2 right now) I'm planning on including it when I go to write my fanfic.

[Pinax]

Guys, all this conversation re. Solas taste in trickery (greatly spoken posts of Faerunner and LobselVith8) make me willing to raise another question, bugging my mind from some time.

 

Do you think the Inquisitor nor anyone in Skyhold could not suspect there is something more about Solas and not ask him question about it?

 

I mean... I know we're limited to get knowledge about the characters from dialogues in codex entries only. In my headcanons though I always imply there were many more interactions between the PC and NPC than it's given to us in the game: it's like obvious the characters couldn't just talk ONLY about the things we see in the game.

 

In RL I tend to be curious, to the limit of asking sometimes potentially uncomfortable questions to people, hence (my headcanon again) I hardly believe that my Quizzie never started to dig in deeper into Solas past, background etc. Funny thing is I suspect the same for Leliana (as a spymaster she like to know everything about everyone), but also Vivienne mentions in one of her banters something like "curious, Solas has so many to tell about the history and the Fade and so little about himself", so it seems it's also bugging her.

 

I wonder from some time how would Solas deal with such "uncomfortable" questions. My best guess (lol, ofc) : every time Lavellan asks him a question he does not want to answer => passionate kiss

 

What are/would be your headcanons on such situations?

[BoscoBread]

(Where did "the god of rebellion" label come from, anyway? Since DAI came out I've seen so many people call Solas "the god of rebellion," but I don't remember hearing anyone in the game call him such, or see any interviews where the devs specifically called him such. Is there something that I missed?)
 

Nothing definitive but the banter at the temple of Mytahl in front of the Fen'Harel statue - the codex entry is from an Orlesian linguist who posits that the word Harrellan actually comes from a word in ancient elven that means "noble struggle".  So he thinks that Fen'Harel is a more nuanced character instead of your run-of-the-mill trickster god.  He may actually be a god of rebellion - or something of the sort.   I missed that my first time around and was like 'wtf is everybody talking about'.  The statue is off in the corner.

[Elessara]

No offense, but weren't you the one who said "But the 'trickster god' is the lavel he got from the Dalish. He is the god of rebellion, not trickery." Now you're claiming we don't know enough to make a definitive statement?

 

(Where did "the god of rebellion" label come from, anyway? Since DAI came out I've seen so many people call Solas "the god of rebellion," but I don't remember hearing anyone in the game call him such, or see any interviews where the devs specifically called him such. Is there something that I missed?)

 

Note that trickster gods were not necessarily "gods of trickery." They often had specific roles in their pantheon, but were simply called tricksters because of how they used their wit to play pranks, create and/or solve problems, blend in with different groups, switch sides depending on their whim, etc. Hermes, for example, was an emissary and messenger of the Olympian gods, and guided souls to the land of the dead, and helped mortal travelers reach their destinations. However, he was a trickster because he acted as a "bridge" between mortals and gods (he felt comfortable among both), and often used his wit to play pranks on his fellow gods.

 

There's strong evidence that Fen'Harel often used his wits and unconventional thinking to solve problems in his time (like the slow arrow story), could blend easily between different groups (like his love of Orlesian court intrigue and reveling in his disguise as the Inquisitor's "elven manservant"), and more.

 

 

Codex #61 under History.  Says that the dalish use of the word Harellan to mean "traitor to one's kin"  didn't appear in any text before the Towers Age and the ancient root word would mean opposition or noble struggle.

[Siha]

Do you think the Inquisitor nor anyone in Skyhold could not suspect there is something more about Solas and not ask him question about it?

I wonder from some time how would Solas deal with such "uncomfortable" questions. My best guess (lol, ofc) : every time Lavellan asks him a question he does not want to answer => passionate kiss

They do wonder. Bioware tries to tell us through some codex entries etc. But for obvious reasons we may not investigate too much. And Cullen gives the explanation in the Blackwall quest, something like "We trust because we want to trust". Sometimes we just see people, like them, the help us, we want to trust them => we trust them. I very much assume the same is true for Solas. The matter of trust is brought up multiple times throughout DAI (Solas, Blackwall, Varric, Bianca are the most significant ones). It always comes down to us trusting the person.

 

Besides, not everything in DA (or any game) makes 100% sense.

[drake2511]

(Where did "the god of rebellion" label come from, anyway? Since DAI came out I've seen so many people call Solas "the god of rebellion," but I don't remember hearing anyone in the game call him such, or see any interviews where the devs specifically called him such. Is there something that I missed?)
 

Nothing definitive but the banter at the temple of Mytahl in front of the Fen'Harel statue - the codex entry is from an Orlesian linguist who posits that the word Harrellan actually comes from a word in ancient elven that means "noble struggle".  So he thinks that Fen'Harel is a more nuanced character instead of your run-of-the-mill trickster god.  He may actually be a god of rebellion - or something of the sort.   I missed that my first time around and was like 'wtf is everybody talking about'.  The statue is off in the corner.

 

You can read it here: http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God

Today I'll be your google, thread!

[Elessara]

They do wonder. Bioware tries to tell us through some codex entries etc. But for obvious reasons we may not investigate too much. And Cullen gives the explanation in the Blackwall quest, something like "We trust because we want to trust". Sometimes we just see people, like them, the help us, we want to trust them => we trust them. I very much assume the same is true for Solas. The matter of trust is brought up multiple times throughout DAI (Solas, Blackwall, Varric, Bianca are the most significant ones). It always comes down to us trusting the person.

 

Besides, not everything in DA (or any game) makes 100% sense.

 

Also, if you read Solas' codex post game you'll see that Leliana did question him and while he was evasive they had more important things going on than tracking down his backstory - which she did eventually but Solas had already left by that point.