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[LobselVith8]

Because. Reasons.

Maybe the Dalish being superstitious about Fen'Harel gives them tunnel vision, they seem to be pretty certain of how things happened.

 

Not really. Just read how the fall of Arlathan is described: "You ask what happened to Arlathan? Sadly, we do not know. Even those of us who keep the ancient lore have no record of what truly happened. What we have are accounts of the days before the fall, and a fable of the whims of the gods."

 

"As to why the gods didn't answer, our people left only a legend. They say that Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf and Lord of Tricksters, approached the ancient gods of good and evil and proposed a truce. The gods of good would remove themselves to heaven, and the lords of evil would exile themselves to the abyss, neither group ever again to enter the other's lands. But the gods did not know that Fen'Harel had planned to betray them, and by the time they realized the Dread Wolf's treachery, they were sealed in their respective realms, never again to interact with the mortal world. It is a fable, to be sure, but those elves who travel the Beyond claim that Fen'Harel still roams the world of dreams, keeping watch over the gods lest they escape from their prisons."

 

"Whatever the case, Arlathan had fallen to the very humans our people had once considered mere pests. It is said that the Tevinter magisters used their great destructive power to force the very ground to swallow Arlathan whole, destroying eons of collected knowledge, culture, and art. The whole of elven lore left only to memory."

 

The entire entry is pretty clear that not only do the Dalish have limited knowledge, but that it's possible this "legend" could be entirely wrong. I'm honestly surprised that some people feel like the Dalish can't admit when they're wrong when they willingly admit they could be wrong about why Arlathan fell, or what happened to it after it fell. Keeper Gisharel makes it clear that it's only what's been told, not what absolutely happened beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Valeria Lavellan]

I'm not saying typical foolish women... but typical foolish women

LOL jk

 

>_> Why do you judge us!? I thought you understood us!!!!

[Siha]

He had the orb then, so not necessarily. Meaning he at least had the key, which we know makes us spiritually more powerful too. Cole confirms this by saying we're bright..

Yes. But what good is a key if you cannot use it?

 

(And hwat does this still have to do with the question if Fen'harel encountered Corypheus in another body a few years ago because Corypheus obviously does not sense power in others anyway? )

[Colonelkillabee]

>_> Why do you judge us!? I thought you understood us!!!!

I do, that's why I call you fools! Haha!

Don't worry, the men got their turn of foolishness with Morrigan already.

[Siha]

I'm not saying typical foolish women... but typical foolish women

LOL jk

Yaaay, we got the sexist topic back!!

Alright, let's just voice chat and shout at each other mindlessly!!

[Colonelkillabee]

Yes. But what good is a key if you cannot use it?
 
(And hwat does this still have to do with the question if Fen'harel encountered Corypheus in another body a few years ago because Corypheus obviously does not sense power in others anyway? )

Actually, I forgot That orb theory supports my claim better than what I was saying, lol. There was a point, but I lost it.

[DragonRacer]

This one.  It was posted earlier today.

 

 

So, what did this video say? It's now been changed to "private", so I assume some stuff got spilled that shouldn't have been. 

[Lorien19]

I do, that's why I call you fools! Haha!

Don't worry, the men got their turn of foolishness with Morrigan already.

If loving Solas and Moriggan is wrong,then I don't want to be right!

[nikki-tikki]

I do, that's why I call you fools! Haha!

Don't worry, the men got their turn of foolishness with Morrigan already.

I would like this but I ran out of likes for the day

[Illyria]

...which is probably another hint to us, indicating that Solas is indeed just a new body for the soul of Fen'Harel and that when he gave Corypheus the orb he used another shape... (blasphemy, I know! )

 

Or that Solas left it lying around for Cornflakes to find.  Cornflakes doesn't even seem to realise the orb is elven, and Dorian claims they have them in Tevinter so he presumably knows how it works.

 

Not to mention Solas shows a fondness for tricksters in the game. At one point he asks Varric why there are no tricksters in dwarven literature? He admires Briala (whether or not you help her) because she is an underdog who tries to or does (depending on whether you helped her) overthrow the system using nothing but her wit and limited resources "in a world that looks at her and sees only a pair of pointed ears."

He also shows some tendencies himself, as Blackwall teaches him Diamondback, then he turns around and uses his wit to beat him so soundsly Blackwall as to use a bucket to cover his bits all the way back to his quarters. During the Orlesian Ball, Solas willingly goes into disguise as your elven manservant (complete with Orlesian mask, it's implied), and REVELS in the disguise. He loves the atmosphere of danger and intrigue, is implied to have experienced it in ancient Arlathan, and it's implied he loved it back then too. He revels in playing the Game and being in disguise, spying and tricking and beating people at their own game. He can also troll Sera when he feels like it.

Some important tricksters characteristics is they use their wits to outsmart enemies (usually by beating them at their own game), they play both sides of the field, letting different sides think they are harmless and/or their allies and use the information/leverage they gain from that trust to hurt them or help them depending on their whims. They feel most comfortable adopting many different identities and personas instead of being limited to one. (Not for nothing tricksters in many cultures are able to shapeshift and/or change their gender even if other members of their pantheon might not.)

While Solas seems to have grown and matured beyond some of the more wild and unpredictable trickster tendencies, there seems to be still lingering signs and fondness for it on his part.

 

Solas also takes great delight in schooling Sera in the correct way to run a rebellion.  Which he learnt 'in the Fade'.

[Rabbitonfire]

So, what did this video say? It's now been changed to "private", so I assume some stuff got spilled that shouldn't have been. 

damn it! I didn't listen to it yet!

[Pinax]

Spoiler

Remember Finn from Witch Hunt? An Andrastian Circle human mage easily figures out that "Eluvian" is an ancient elven word that means "looking glass," just from reading different books in the Circle library, while Ariane the Dalish is left flabbergasted and embarrassed that her didn't make the connection even after centuries of study of their past.

 

Morrigan the human is able to locate, restore, and use an eluvian within a few years with no danger to herself, nor condemnation from the narrative for messing with powers too great for her to understand. Merrill the Dalish elf also tries to restore and use an eluvian, tries for seven years without success, and gets condemned by most other characters and the narrative alike for messing with powers too great for her to understand. (I see if you're a human then elven technology is not too much for you, but if you're an elf it is.)

 

I understand this more as a result of Dalish elves style of living rather than arrogance. It's mentioned in DA:I conversations between Solas and IQ that each clan may be different, they don't always cross ways, some are entirely hostile to humans, some are open and interested in modern ward, clan Lavellan as the most bright example.

 

I also think their wandering way of life does not allow to built an impressive, centralised library which would allow long term and interdisciplinary studies, like the university of Orlais or even the Circles (thus also separated from one another, though each tower has at least a library!).

 

So it's likely if all Dalish group their knowledge together, they could fill in lots of gaps in their history knowledge, but as they are nomads with very different approach to other races/people.... we have what we have.

[Colonelkillabee]

If loving Solas and Moriggan is wrong,then I don't want to be right!

 
Indeed! Up until she tried whisking me away to never never land. How would I even know I like the food there? And good luck ever trying to win an argument when your wife holds the key to the entire realm.

I would like this but I ran out of likes for the day

All good, have one from me

[Elessara]

Or that Solas left it lying around for Cornflakes to find.  Cornflakes doesn't even seem to realise the orb is elven, and Dorian claims they have them in Tevinter so he presumably knows how it works.

 

 

Solas also takes great delight in schooling Sera in the correct way to run a rebellion.  Which he learnt 'in the Fade'.

 

I do love Solas' Fade fallback:  I saw it in the Fade, just go with it, ok?

 

I always wanted to point out to him that memories without context are almost meaningless.  Sure you can see stuff happening but if you don't know the who or the why, how much information can you actually pull from that?  I guess he could always say a spirit told him?

[Illyria]

Spoiler

Oh no, there is this 3rd conversation option where Lavellan can pick "Hey, don't worry so much" or sth and says something like: "You sound like you're going to die, we'll make it together etc." and Solas: "I hope you're right". Damned, right I am!

 

I am so glad I went with the side benefits option.  I don't think I could cope with the breakup after that exchange.

[BoscoBread]

damn it! I didn't listen to it yet!

It says that he's the voice of Solas and you're all like 'aww that is Solas' and then he thanks the person for liking his performance and asks that they keep playing as there may be more surprises to come.

[nikki-tikki]

damn it! I didn't listen to it yet!

Wuuuut did it sayyyyyy. I must knowwwwww!!!

[drake2511]

So, what did this video say? It's now been changed to "private", so I assume some stuff got spilled that shouldn't have been. 

He said something like "keep playing, there may be more suprises to come", and thanked someone for liking his performance. if he was hinting DLC, well, it was pretty obvious we would get one, so... I don't know!
actually, the video was unlisted, meaning it was avaible only to those who had the link. I found it on tumblr with tags and all, so I thought it was okay to post it here!

He was talking to a specific person though, maybe that's why.


That's sad. The voice of that man should not be private.

[MoonDrummer]

 
Indeed! Up until she tried whisking me away to never never land. How would I even know I like the food there? And good luck ever trying to win an argument when your wife holds the key to the entire realm.

 

That is probably how she won the argument to name my son Kieren lol

[Pinax]

I do love Solas' Fade fallback:  I saw it in the Fade, just go with it, ok?

 

I always wanted to point out to him that memories without context are almost meaningless.  Sure you can see stuff happening but if you don't know the who or the why, how much information can you actually pull from that?  I guess he could always say a spirit told him?

Solas reply: "I took detailed notes during my sleep"

 

[nikki-tikki]

He said something like "keep playing, there may be more suprises to come". if he was hinting DLC, well, it was pretty obvious we would get one, so...
actually, the video was unlisted, meaning it was avaible only to those who had the link. I found it on tumblr so I thought it was okay to post it here!

He was talking to a specific person though, maybe that's why.

That's enough to hope for a reunion perhaps?

[Illyria]

Guys, all this conversation re. Solas taste in trickery (greatly spoken posts of Faerunner and LobselVith8) make me willing to raise another question, bugging my mind from some time.

 

Do you think the Inquisitor nor anyone in Skyhold could not suspect there is something more about Solas and not ask him question about it?

 

I mean... I know we're limited to get knowledge about the characters from dialogues in codex entries only. In my headcanons though I always imply there were many more interactions between the PC and NPC than it's given to us in the game: it's like obvious the characters couldn't just talk ONLY about the things we see in the game.

 

In RL I tend to be curious, to the limit of asking sometimes potentially uncomfortable questions to people, hence (my headcanon again) I hardly believe that my Quizzie never started to dig in deeper into Solas past, background etc. Funny thing is I suspect the same for Leliana (as a spymaster she like to know everything about everyone), but also Vivienne mentions in one of her banters something like "curious, Solas has so many to tell about the history and the Fade and so little about himself", so it seems it's also bugging her.

 

I wonder from some time how would Solas deal with such "uncomfortable" questions. My best guess (lol, ofc) : every time Lavellan asks him a question he does not want to answer => passionate kiss

 

What are/would be your headcanons on such situations?

 

My Lavellan suspected he was hiding something and also started to suspect he was an ancient elf soon after Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts.  But she was willing to let him tell her in his own time so didn't pry too much.

[Pinax]

I am so glad I went with the side benefits option.  I don't think I could cope with the breakup after that exchange.

I went for "kiss for luck", but this didn't stop me from exploring all the options on youtube (I want to know all about Solas, lol).

[Colonelkillabee]

That is probably how she won the argument to name my son Kieren lol

LOL yea, I would never name him that.

It's like she couldn't decide between Krillen and Kenny.