I must be the only person on the internet who doesn't fangirl over Felicia Day..
I don't. She doesn't seem to have that much range to her performances.
I must be the only person on the internet who doesn't fangirl over Felicia Day..
I don't. She doesn't seem to have that much range to her performances.
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I don't even know who that is...
Felicia Day is a writer and actress that's well-known for being as nerdy as her fanbase. Probably best known for Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, The Guild, Dragon Age: Redemption, and in this specific case, playing the hacker Charlie on Supernatural.
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PAX South why Solas was chosen as an LI
This is a tidbit from a Bioware panel at PAX South about why Solas was added as a romance option.
The main speakers in the clip are Mike Laidlaw, Karin Weekes, and Patrick Weekes (over the phone at the end).I tried (key word being tried) to write down the whole recording for anyone who might be deaf, hard of hearing, or just doesn’t want to listen to the audio. It’s pretty long, though, soooo…Solasmancer: Um, you mentioned earlier that Cullen, you added in Cullen later as a romance option and part of that was because everyone loved Cullen. Um, I wanted to ask why you added your other option, Solas. Because that was a very interesting one because later events cast that at, uh, add interesting context to that whole relationship so I’m curious why you added him versus another character.Karin Weekes: You are, like, not the first person who’s asked me that question. I know who knows the answer to that question. You wanna talk?[Side note: I asked her that question earlier between panels.]
Mike Laidlaw: I’m gunna talk.K. Weekes: Are you sure?Laidlaw: SureLaidlaw: Sooo. There are people…[Someone]: That’s your first mistake.Laidlaw: Who.. unless you shatter their collarbone.. cannot be stopped from writing. And even then cannot be stopped from writing—are you texting this to Patrick?K. Weekes: I’m calling him.Laidlaw: Oh, okay….good. As discussed. We’ll see if he’s available. So here’s the thing is that-that this—K. Weekes: He’s probably getting pizza, but we’ll find out.Laidlaw: Yeah, is that Mr. Weekes who is to blame, um, kind of just can’t be stopped. Uh, he kinda declared one day that he had had an idea and had written most of it and he’s very fast and he’s pretty good and I think Karin is gonna see if he’s there.K. Weekes: Aww that’s—Laidlaw: Aw, too bad cause we really wanted to hold his feet to the public fire.K. Weekes: Okay, I got his voicemail.K. Weekes: [on phone] Hi! Guess where I am! So some people have asked me why Solas became.. uh, how Solas became a romance option and they would, they would like to share their opinions with you right now.[cheering]K. Weekes: Okay, call me back if you’re home. Ok, love you, bye!Laidlaw: So, that’s, that’s kinda what happened. Um, he decided it would work and I decided it was pretty great and then we’d figure out if we could afford it. And we just, we moved some stuff around and probably couldn’t’ve afforded it and there was some things and then we said ‘well what, what if it was only lady elves’. And he said ‘that’s kinda what I wrote it for’ and I said ‘okay, well that was wise of you and, uh’.. because..K. Weekes: As, as passionately emotional he is about stuff he’s really coldstone logic about stuff like that.Laidlaw: Yeah, he is. He’s like ‘no, the only way you’d ever be able to afford is if we only did’—well the other big thing is, um, so I will, I will let you in on a secret, which, this is completely tangential and non-Solas-related, is that whenever a characters are touching, uh, and whenever, uh, if you happen to have made a game where you have four different race heights, um, you have, you have made yourself a bad time.Laidlaw: You have made yourself a very unfortunate event. So, I don’t know if any of you were here earlier to hear Frank Gordon talking about dancing with the duchess and, and, and ranging that from male Qunari to female dwarf, which required no less than 8 completely different sets of animations for the duchess, right. In terms of where her hands were, um, and probably is why we shipped on two discs.Laidlaw: Uh, not really, but, ehh. Um, it didn’t help. Uh, anyways, so, so there are a lot of challenges so of course part of the thing that Solas did, and I think it was, it was very effective, there is that point where he touches your face.. and I’ll just leave it there, uh, and of course that was something where because it was, um, because it was a female elf, uh, that actually helped make it more affordable. Um, that wasn’t the only reason we went there because a lot of it only really works in that context, so, again, spoilers—K. Weekes: Yeah, it’s just this crazy ability to go okay yeah this makes logical sense and also like marries it to that so that you can’t argue against it.Laidlaw: And you’re like well that, wow, that’s thematic and price affordable.Laidlaw: You’re like, he’s, he’s like a Ford Taurus: reliable, comfortable, American built. Except for the parts we outsource from Germany.K. Weekes: I’m debating how to an—how to rebut this.Laidlaw: Are you a Dodge lady or something?K. Weekes: No![Someone]: She’s just thinking ‘Taurus has horns’.K. Weekes: He’s a, he’s a Taurus, actually.Laidlaw: He is a Taurus?K. Weekes: He is a Taurus, yeah.Laidlaw: Oh yeah.K. Weekes: Yeah.Laidlaw: Cool. And sometimes he crosses rivers.[pause…laughing]Laidlaw: Ah, yeah, that was, that was like a time bomb.K. Weekes: Yeah, it was good. It was good.Laidlaw: [muffled]MC: Okay, we’ve reached our last question of PAX 2015. So, yeah, there’s like no pressure on you at all. And also make it quick.. cause we’re short on time. So, yeah, here you go.Some Dude: So, I was wondering when writing these characters and defining them how do you avoid traps or how do you avoid pigeonholing yourself?[ringtone!]K. Weekes: [on phone] Hi. How’s it going?Laidlaw: You’re going to have to ask again.K. Weekes: Hi! Good. Some people would like to talk to you. Okay, I’ll see if I can make speaker phone work. Are you there?Patrick Weekes: I am.K. Weekes: Hi![cheering]K. Weekes: So tell us Solas became a romance and your thought processes [muffled].P. Weekes: [laughing]K. Weekes: Yeah, you’re laughing, no seriously I’m looking at room full of people who really wanna know this. So stop laughing and start talking! Please.P. Weekes: No, I think I’m going through a tunnel! Sorry guys!K. Weekes: No, but like really kind of, could you a little bit?P. Weekes: [laughing]K. Weekes: Well, Mike did a pretty good recap. So… but like what, what about the writing process, cause he wasn’t a romance, right? And so what, as you were writing him, made you feel like that was, uh, part of his character that was the way you intended to go?P. Weekes: Well, I think it would have been really easy for Solas to just come off as too much of a villain. And I really tried to take every step that I could to humanize him. And part of that was making him more emotionally available in that way. Um, and showing that he really, genuinely cared about you. Um, and the other members of the Inquisition. Uh, it’s one of the reasons he has such a close relationship with Cole, it’s one of the reasons, uh, that he, y’know, is so respectful of Cassandra even if he disagrees with her about a lot of things and it’s one of the reasons that we decided to make him a romance.K. Weekes: Cool.Karin Weekes proceeded to hang up on him by accidentally pressing the touch screen on her phone against her cheek.
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PAX South why Solas was chosen as an LI
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My friend was at that panel and told me about that. I was just like ... No. Dude no. Just stop. I'M NOT LISTENING *lalalalalala*
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PAX South why Solas was chosen as an LI
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Oh noes O.O
It... it doesn't mean he's the next big bad, right?
Oh noes O.O
It... it doesn't mean he's the next big bad, right?
I am going through many stages right now...one my Lavellan got to get some fade-tongue action with the next morally-grey baddie, but...SOLAS IS MORE THAN LIKELY THE NEXT BIG BADDIE!

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Why is that so bad, though? I think if I hadn't had those meaningful interactions with him throughout the game in regards to Cole and other companions (and especially in the romance), he probably would have just come off as a villain at the end because it's not really clear what his motivations are without those interactions (including banters) or what's going on in that epilogue exactly (though the dev. notes on it did clear it up and agreed with what I had thought happened). It's good that they humanized him and gave him emotional depth as that's what made his character more than just this random elf who joins the inquisition and then goes off
I have been silently lurking in this thread for the past week since finishing my first playthrough of the game. Finally made my way through many of the posts, and I'm really pleased to have found so many thoughtful ideas and theories about Solas (as well as some hilarious and strange distractions! Ha!). So, I hought I would finally poke my head in and say hi. I romanced Solas on my first inquisitor, and let's just say as my first Bioware romance option, um, whoa. Did I just get lucky and pick the best (or perhaps worst, depending on your perspective) one...? Or are they all this engrossing and heartwrenching!? Hahaha. Something tells me no.
I went into this game having not played any of the previous Dragon Age games, and ended up playing quite slowly, reading all codex entries, and looking stuff up on the wikis as I went, because there is a LOT of lore, far more than I could have expected, and a lot that you could easily miss if you just graze the surface of it while playing through. So, I tried to be thorough and pick up as much info as possible.
Based on what I've learned, and understanding that there are likely still several gaps in my knowledge of the history and religions of Thedas, here's what I think and where I hope the writers will go with Solas and Lavellan.
This is not so much theory-driven speculation as character-driven speculation. Here goes.
I think the third act of Inquisition started pushing toward an important future choice for Solas. His tragic flaw is that he takes 100% personal responsibility to fix his own mistakes, and remains too guarded to let anyone in enough to fully trust with the truth of his situation. He holds his cards very, very close. He doesn't know how to let himself trust other people enough to help him make important decisions, no doubt because he has seen so many people (/"gods") make terrible, power-hungry choices that have had awful and far-reaching consequences. More than anyone in the Inquisition, Solas knows that big decisions are not to be made lightly.
Solas is also profoundly uncomfortable with being emotionally vulnerable. He is (and I don't mean this as a slight--in fact I think I also am this) remedially introverted. His inability to open up is what holds him back, what trips him up. Lavellan starts to crack the shell, but Solas clams up and is too shy to let her all the way in. Asking someone else for help, to Solas, is an act of dumping his problems, his baggage, on someone else. Since he cares deeply for Lavellan, he doesn't want to burden her with his problems, or as he puts it, 'distract you from your duties'. Solving his problems by himself is his incredibly ineffective way of demonstrating that he cares. His actions are one part pride, one part selflessness. Solas values the individual, and a person's ability to be independent, because this is what he values in himself.
I would like to see Solas grow one step further... His curse for Vivienne, "may you learn", is advice he himself should heed. While we can only speculate exactly what Solas wanted the orb for, what the Elven artifacts were for, and what the Mythal absorption was for, we can infer Solas has something big planned involving the Fade. Because Lavellan still bears the mark, the two of them are still bound. As long as Lavellan possesses the mark she potentially has a unique ability connecting her to the Fade in a way that could either greatly aid or greatly hinder Solas' future plans. I think they will for sure meet again.
If Solas is forced to choose between what he deems to be the greater good (whatever his mysterious plan is), and saving one person, like Lavellan, I think the more interesting choice from a pure character development standpoint would be for Solas to choose Lavellan. If there is one person he couldn't bear to lose, it's her. We've seen Fen'Harel fall from grace before, and he has clearly suffered the consequences of the choice to 'go it alone' before. Solas has paid for his mistakes already. To see him really grow as a character, we need to see him driven to a point where he chooses what he wants, not what he believes he has to do. For Solas, the ends always justify the means. He's willing to make sacrifices. If we believe that the romance was absolutely genuine on his part, then the only sacrifice he might not be willing to make would involve Lavellan. The very reason he pulls away from her is because he loves her so much it scares him.
The Inquisitor made him doubt himself, and I'd like to see him eventually forced to act on that doubt, to learn what it is to not have to win.
For all his wisdom, Solas' blindspot is himself. He understands so little of what his own personal needs are, because he chooses to ignore them in favor of immersing himself in solving the problems of the world. He is intelligent enough and thoughtful enough to find enough external fascinations that he can distract himself from facing his own squishy emotions. Solas being forced to choose between saving Lavellan and accomplishing his ultimate goal is what I'd most like to see in DLC/future games. Even, and perhaps especially, if choosing Lavellan spells out dire consequences for him, I want to see these two get a chance to change together, if only for a moment. I don't foresee a happy ending, but I think Solas embracing the squishy side and putting the woman he loves ahead of any other agenda is about as positive a move as we can hope for, and that may be asking for a lot because that is the very thing that would be hardest for Solas to do...
While Solas' motivations still aren't completely understood, I still felt like I got what made him tick. Could be wrong in my speculations, and I guess only time will tell, but I certainly have fun puzzling about Solas. Kudos to Patrick Weekes
What a complex and compelling character.
Also those thighs. Mmm.
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Solas might
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PAX South why Solas was chosen as an LI
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UGH! I WANT MORE!!
Actually, I'm not surprised.
I am going through many stages right now...one my Lavellan got to get some fade-tongue action with the next morally-grey baddie, but...SOLAS IS MORE THAN LIKELY THE NEXT BIG BADDIE!
Meh, as long as we can stop his plan but still be able to redeem him like we could F*cking Loghain (and possibly get him back together with our Lavellans), I'll be okay with it.
Solas might
UGH! I WANT MORE!!
Actually, I'm not surprised.
Meh, as long as we can stop his plan but still be able to redeem him like we could F*cking Loghain (and possibly get him back together with our Lavellans), I'll be okay with it.
Same here...I think I just needed a shot of Team Optimism, lol! I'm back to being my self XD
I have been silently lurking in this thread for the past week since finishing my first playthrough of the game. Finally made my way through many of the posts, and I'm really pleased to have found so many thoughtful ideas and theories about Solas (as well as some hilarious and strange distractions! Ha!). So, I hought I would finally poke my head in and say hi. I romanced Solas on my first inquisitor, and let's just say as my first Bioware romance option, um, whoa. Did I just get lucky and pick the best (or perhaps worst, depending on your perspective) one...? Or are they all this engrossing and heartwrenching!? Hahaha. Something tells me no.
I went into this game having not played any of the previous Dragon Age games, and ended up playing quite slowly, reading all codex entries, and looking stuff up on the wikis as I went, because there is a LOT of lore, far more than I could have expected, and a lot that you could easily miss if you just graze the surface of it while playing through. So, I tried to be thorough and pick up as much info as possible.
Based on what I've learned, and understanding that there are likely still several gaps in my knowledge of the history and religions of Thedas, here's what I think and where I hope the writers will go with Solas and Lavellan.
This is not so much theory-driven speculation as character-driven speculation. Here goes.
I think the third act of Inquisition started pushing toward an important future choice for Solas. His tragic flaw is that he takes 100% personal responsibility to fix his own mistakes, and remains too guarded to let anyone in enough to fully trust with the truth of his situation. He holds his cards very, very close. He doesn't know how to let himself trust other people enough to help him make important decisions, no doubt because he has seen so many people (/"gods") make terrible, power-hungry choices that have had awful and far-reaching consequences. More than anyone in the Inquisition, Solas knows that big decisions are not to be made lightly.
Solas is also profoundly uncomfortable with being emotionally vulnerable. He is (and I don't mean this as a slight--in fact I think I also am this) remedially introverted. His inability to open up is what holds him back, what trips him up. Lavellan starts to crack the shell, but Solas clams up and is too shy to let her all the way in. Asking someone else for help, to Solas, is an act of dumping his problems, his baggage, on someone else. Since he cares deeply for Lavellan, he doesn't want to burden her with his problems, or as he puts it, 'distract you from your duties'. Solving his problems by himself is his incredibly ineffective way of demonstrating that he cares. His actions are one part pride, one part selflessness. Solas values the individual, and a person's ability to be independent, because this is what he values in himself.
I would like to see Solas grow one step further... His curse for Vivienne, "may you learn", is advice he himself should heed. While we can only speculate exactly what Solas wanted the orb for, what the Elven artifacts were for, and what the Mythal absorption was for, we can infer Solas has something big planned involving the Fade. Because Lavellan still bears the mark, the two of them are still bound. As long as Lavellan possesses the mark she potentially has a unique ability connecting her to the Fade in a way that could either greatly aid or greatly hinder Solas' future plans. I think they will for sure meet again.
If Solas is forced to choose between what he deems to be the greater good (whatever his mysterious plan is), and saving one person, like Lavellan, I think the more interesting choice from a pure character development standpoint would be for Solas to choose Lavellan. If there is one person he couldn't bear to lose, it's her. We've seen Fen'Harel fall from grace before, and he has clearly suffered the consequences of the choice to 'go it alone' before. Solas has paid for his mistakes already. To see him really grow as a character, we need to see him driven to a point where he chooses what he wants, not what he believes he has to do. For Solas, the ends always justify the means. He's willing to make sacrifices. If we believe that the romance was absolutely genuine on his part, then the only sacrifice he might not be willing to make would involve Lavellan. The very reason he pulls away from her is because he loves her so much it scares him.
The Inquisitor made him doubt himself, and I'd like to see him eventually forced to act on that doubt, to learn what it is to not have to win.
For all his wisdom, Solas' blindspot is himself. He understands so little of what his own personal needs are, because he chooses to ignore them in favor of immersing himself in solving the problems of the world. He is intelligent enough and thoughtful enough to find enough external fascinations that he can distract himself from facing his own squishy emotions. Solas being forced to choose between saving Lavellan and accomplishing his ultimate goal is what I'd most like to see in DLC/future games. Even, and perhaps especially, if choosing Lavellan spells out dire consequences for him, I want to see these two get a chance to change together, if only for a moment. I don't foresee a happy ending, but I think Solas embracing the squishy side and putting the woman he loves ahead of any other agenda is about as positive a move as we can hope for, and that may be asking for a lot because that is the very thing that would be hardest for Solas to do...
While Solas' motivations still aren't completely understood, I still felt like I got what made him tick. Could be wrong in my speculations, and I guess only time will tell, but I certainly have fun puzzling about Solas. Kudos to Patrick WeekesWhat a complex and compelling character.
Also those thighs. Mmm.
He also mentions during certain dialogue paths how he has experienced betrayal in the past, which I think also has something to do with why he is so reluctant to open up to people fully. I would be curious to know what kind of betrayal he has experienced as I think it's something different and more personal to him than just the corruption of the elven pantheon and the betrayal and murder of Mythal.
I must be the only person on the internet who doesn't fangirl over Felicia Day..
I do less so after the gamergate craze, but I still like her a lot. Veronica on Fallout's the ****, lol. And her with Dean on Supernatural, AWESOME.
I am going through many stages right now...one my Lavellan got to get some fade-tongue action with the next morally-grey baddie, but...SOLAS IS MORE THAN LIKELY THE NEXT BIG BADDIE!
HAVE FAITH! THE SOLAS WILL COME! DAWN DAWN I DONT REMEMBER THE WORDS!
*frantically waves team optimism flag*
HAVE FAITH! THE SOLAS WILL COME! DAWN DAWN I DONT REMEMBER THE WORDS!
*frantically waves team optimism flag*
*picks up Team Optimism flag and sets it on fire so rainbows and sunshine appears* I feel better now, thanks for the shot of some team optimism.
About to head to bed unfortunately, but just to mirror what other people are saying-
'It would have been easy for him to come off as too much a villain' means they don't want him to be just a bad guy. That's not a bad thing. You don't go through all the effort of humanizing someone so then you can throw all that out the window. Given how expensive all these interactions are, they clearly aren't doing this haphazardly or to drink fantears.
Solas will very likely play an antagonistic role to the Inquisitor at some point. Their goals may not coincide. That is pretty heavily implied numerous times in the game. I would not bet against that prediction.
But just because there's conflict, doesn't mean that the only outcome for that conflict is for one person to die. We don't know where the story is going, but clearly empathy is going to play a role in the outcome. Not much of a story if there isn't a struggle!
None of that is any different that what PW told the nerdappropriate people. We all knew by the end that whatever he was going to do was going to be bad. We all know that at some point in the near future that Inky and Friends are going to find out and **** will get real. He TELLS you this. Not that he doesn't have good intentions...that's what the romance and those banters are for...to show that he has somewhat of a good heart. Anything that happens coming up with him is going to be difficult because - I repeat - you want to like him. You want him to be a good person. You want him to be happy. Even as a friend.
I hope we don't have to kill him, I hope he doesn't kill himself in an effort to stop us from having to kill him, I hope we don't have to tear down Thedas to be with him. UGH. I AM COMPROMISED BY THIS VIDEO GAME ROMANCE.
I started my Halinia Lavellen PT over again and I thought I should post a compilation of screenshots that would sum up her tale.
Theme of Halinia Lavellan:


About to head to bed unfortunately, but just to mirror what other people are saying-
'It would have been easy for him to come off as too much a villain' means they don't want him to be just a bad guy. That's not a bad thing. You don't go through all the effort of humanizing someone so then you can throw all that out the window. Given how expensive all these interactions are, they clearly aren't doing this haphazardly or to drink fantears.
Solas will very likely play an antagonistic role to the Inquisitor at some point. Their goals may not coincide. That is pretty heavily implied numerous times in the game. I would not bet against that prediction.
But just because there's conflict, doesn't mean that the only outcome for that conflict is for one person to die. We don't know where the story is going, but clearly empathy is going to play a role in the outcome. Not much of a story if there isn't a struggle!
Whew. Thank you for that dose of rationality. I was panicking a bit.
Also, I'm going to be the odd person who voices a potentially unpopular opinion.
I DON'T want to be the center of my LI's world. In order for a relationship to be balanced and normal, the other party should have things that are important to them apart from you. It's healthy. It's cool. And it's the mark of someone with a strong sense of what is right and wrong (for them) because there are rivers they WILL NOT cross because to do so would break their moral compass.
Everyone has a point, morally, that they will not pass. For Solas, it would be putting behind him his sense of justice/ what is right for a 60 year romance when he's immortal. That's like the equivalent of a spring fling in the immortal sense of things. I don't doubt that Lavellan means a TON to him and that his feelings were/ are very, very real.
But imagine if there was something you had been working your whole life towards, something you feel you MUST do, something that DEFINES you morally, and your husband/ lover/ boyfriend/ significant other asked you to give it up. For me, that'd be like asking me to give up my career I've spent over half of my life in training towards. I'd tell him to go take a freaking hike and if they loved me, they wouldn't ever ask me to give that up.
The issue with Solas, so far, is that we don't know exactly what he's sacrificing FOR, we know it's the People, but we don't know how he's getting there or what he thinks "help" means. It's clear he feels that he MUST do what he's going to do, or it will betray himself, and destroy his moral compass. If he had been open with Lavellan, she could have either chosen to help him or told him she couldn't tolerate his actions and leave him.
So do I hate Solas for leaving? No. I respect it. Deeply. And I'd likely make the same decision if it were at the cost of giving up WHO I was as a person. What I dislike is that he left without communicating what was at stake. If he had told us what he was up against, what his goals were, things honestly could have been different.
The reason he didn't tell/ communicate with us? Likely because it would have broken the narrative the game studio already decided upon and destroyed the surprise of the end-game reveal. So don't freak out. There will very likely be an opportunity in the future for that to happen. If his romance locks in AFTER the break-up and we're prevented from bedding the rest of our companions even though we're "technically" single, there's a reason.
She's lookin good, Zarro ![]()
Meh, as long as we can stop his plan but still be able to redeem him like we could F*cking Loghain (and possibly get him back together with our Lavellans), I'll be okay with it.
I won't lie, the Loghain example gets me through a lot of dark moments when it comes to Team Optimism. He and Solas resemble one another a lot in some ways, though I would argue Loghain (whom I adore) displayed more qualities of villainy in DA:O than Solas ever has. It would be strange to me if we didn't get some choice when Loghain can not only be redeemed, but thrive. Plus if that transcription proves anything, it's that Mr. Weekes sticks to his guns when it come to telling a good story. We can probably trust his direction~
Merrill says an elven phrase I've never heard elsewhere and can't find on the wiki- "sheva dh'al." It seems to be "oh, crap." Anyone familiar with it?
I believe Merrill says it during "Shepherding Wolves" when she sees Ketojan. I don't think there's an exact translation, but 'holy ****' might suffice.