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[KarateKats]

Anyone have a nice clear HQ screenshot of the fade that they wouldn't mind me using as a background for something Solas-y?

[BlueElf2]

And Scar from the lionking. He was just being fabulous. Then that punk ass Simba had to ruin everything, lol.

 

LONG LIVE SCAR.

I love Scar!....I just felt the need to get that out there.....he is still my favorite Lion King character. Not sure what that says about me.

[Renmiri1]

oh wow. This gives me a bit of hope

 

[RynJ]

If it makes anyone feel better, Solas will never really be the "bad guy". Not really.

 

He's done questionable things and will probably continue to do so. He voices unfortunate opinions and sometimes he says things that may make people want to punch him in the face. But there's one thing I don't think anyone could really deny: Solas is a good person. He cares about people, even if he might be trying not to when it comes to modern Thedas. Hell, he cares too much. From everything we know about him, he's doing what he does because he thinks it will make things better. He's so desperate to make things better. That in itself will always make a character compelling and it's why he'll never be a true villain.

 

They went out of their way to make us very aware of that fact and they did it for a reason. So though I may worry about his plans, I do believe they won't completely throw away all of that to make an absolutely irredeemable Solas in the future. I admit skepticism about many things concerning BioWare's storytelling lately, but I trust the writers at least this much.

 

Edit: On another note, is anyone else already imagining Solas' reappearance in DA4? I'm going to have a friggin heart attack the moment he shows up on screen. Anyone around me will worry and wonder why I'm screaming "THE BAE!!! IT'S THE BAE!!!! IT'S HIM!!!!"

[Colonelkillabee]

I love Scar!....I just felt the need to get that out there.....he is still my favorite Lion King character. Not sure what that says about me.

That you have good tastes, tbh. Scar was the ****, and handsome as hell.

 

I have his scar

 

[laurelinvanyar]

That you have good tastes, tbh. Scar was the ****, and handsome as hell.

 

I have his scar

 

That Jeremy Irons voice. Scar was so much more dynamic than any other character. 

[Caddius]

I believe my favorite song from Twisted (Starkid Productions) is relevant to history fading to myth and legend. Specifically the vilification of Fen'harel.

Also the people mentioning how much they love Scar, and Disney villains in general. I feel ya' there. 

Spoilers for Twisted, obviously. Also spoilers for many Disney movies. 

[Colonelkillabee]

That Jeremy Irons voice. Scar was so much more dynamic than any other character. 

 

"Long live the king."

 

Tears...chills...hate and love. Scar made me feel all these things as a child. I'll forever remember that scene.

[Fialka]

I could kiss you? Seriously - as much as love love the Solavellan fluffy fluff fiction, it's gotten to the point where I'm like 'HOW ARE EITHER OF THESE PEOPLE HAPPY?' because both are portrayed as CONSUMED by each other. I'm currently in a Abelas/Lavellan hell-spiral but the few that are out there show two functioning adults working towards a personal goal but walking the same path together. It's realistic and romantic.

Noone would like Solas if he just threw everything out the window for Lavellan...you may say you would but you wouldn't. It would be so pathetic. He's got such a strong sense of self and that's what makes him attractive as a character. Same thing can be said for Cassandra. People love her because she knows who she is and what she wants out of her life. She is confident in her faith. Confident in her beliefs. So is Solas.

I agree with this 100%. While the fact that Solas nearly threw everything away for love does make me go 'd'awww,' if he actually had I would have a lost a ton of respect for him. Even if his plan is a bad one, I want him to realize that on his own, not just drop it because "whatever, I have a girlfriend now, sucks to be you, world."

[Colonelkillabee]

"whatever, I have a girlfriend now, sucks to be you, world."

It's at least better than how the Maker did it though, lol.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

It's at least better than how the Maker did it though, lol.

Yeah, that's what always bothered me about Andrastianism.

"Seriously? This one girl's singing convinced you to do a switcheroo? The Transsexual Tevinter Magister Musical Extravaganza was praised on high by every critic, but you went ahead and unleashed the First Blight on us for them taking starstruck a little too literally."

The Maker is a passive-aggressive deity.

The Creators, it would appear, excel at passive-aggressive sniping AND aggressive retribution. 

EDIT: I'm fully on board with the wanting Solas to place his cause before Lavellan the way he has.

Much like Liz, if my significant other wanted me to give up my own artistic pursuits, I'd refuse. (Thankfully that's not even remotely a problem.)

If it's something like the restoration of the Elvhen and the righting of wrongs eight thousand years in the making...

Well, ****, Playa. Solas couldn't give that up without destroying himself as a character worthy of respect.

[BlueElf2]

That you have good tastes, tbh. Scar was the ****, and handsome as hell.

 

I have his scar

 

Yup, that scar is amazing. One of my male Lavellans has it, too. LOL.

[laurelinvanyar]

Yeah, that's what always bothered me about Andrastianism.

"Seriously? This one girl's singing convinced you to do a switcheroo? The Transsexual Tevinter Magister Musical Extravaganza was praised on high by every critic, but you went ahead and unleashed the First Blight on us for them taking starstruck a little too literally."

The Maker is a passive-aggressive deity.

The Creators, it would appear, excel at passive-aggressive sniping AND aggressive retribution. 

HAHAHA you slayeth me.

 

I will cry buckets of tears if we have to kill him. I can take almost anything else, but not that. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, that's what always bothered me about Andrastianism.

"Seriously? This one girl's singing convinced you to do a switcheroo? The Transsexual Tevinter Magister Musical Extravaganza was praised on high by every critic, but you went ahead and unleashed the First Blight on us for them taking starstruck a little too literally."

The Maker is a passive-aggressive deity.

The Creators, it would appear, excel at passive-aggressive sniping AND aggressive retribution. 

 

Lol and then when the Tevinter didn't just lay down and die, and kicked her ass instead (thanks to her player hating hubby anyway) he ditched us. 

 

Listen to me, motherfucker, if you didn't want her to die, you should have taught her that all's fair in love and war ******. And maybe use that god mojo to help a ****** out a little.

 

The Maker is a punk ass sore loser.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[HurricaneGinger]

Well, that I can understand. Imagine if he was non-romanceable and we had no access to those sequences currently available to a romanced Lavellan. I could see how you'd reach the end of the game and feel like he had been puppeteering you and the situation the entire time. You would truly be a pawn he cared nothing about.

By enabling the romance, which Weekes chose to do of his own volition without top-down orders, he humanized the character. Made him relatable, helped us understand his point of view, AND see that he was willing to tell your character the truth about himself, but ultimately chose not to do so. So while he still is the puppeteer or the chess master of the situation, with the romance available, we see that the pawn is legitimately precious to him, but whatever he's up against he can't afford to lose to.

I don't think it changes too much of what we already know. Other than spelling out the cost-effectiveness of limited race romance.

HAVE HOPE!

EDIT: Also a villain is different from the villain. Think Flemeth. There are times where you could take a character's view and see her as a villain. Other times, the opposite. Hell, Cullen in DA:O told you to KILL ALL OF THE MAGES AT THE TOP OF THE TOWER because they were beyond saving. A pretty villain-like demand, but understandable from his point of view given his emotional state at the time. 

Meh, as long as we can stop his plan but still be able to redeem him like we could F*cking Loghain (and possibly get him back together with our Lavellans), I'll be okay with it.

 

Stop it or stand at his side.

 

HAVE FAITH! THE SOLAS WILL COME! DAWN DAWN I DONT REMEMBER THE WORDS!

 

*frantically waves team optimism flag*

None of that is any different that what PW told the nerdappropriate people.  We all knew by the end that whatever he was going to do was going to be bad.  We all know that at some point in the near future that Inky and Friends are going to find out and **** will get real.  He TELLS you this.  Not that he doesn't have good intentions...that's what the romance and those banters are for...to show that he has somewhat of a good heart.  Anything that happens coming up with him is going to be difficult because - I repeat - you want to like him.  You want him to be a good person. You want him to be happy.  Even as a friend.  

 

I hope we don't have to kill him, I hope he doesn't kill himself in an effort to stop us from having to kill him, I hope we don't have to tear down Thedas to be with him.  UGH.  I AM COMPROMISED BY THIS VIDEO GAME ROMANCE.  

About to head to bed unfortunately, but just to mirror what other people are saying-

 

'It would have been easy for him to come off as too much a villain' means they don't want him to be just a bad guy. That's not a bad thing. You don't go through all the effort of humanizing someone so then you can throw all that out the window. Given how expensive all these interactions are, they clearly aren't doing this haphazardly or to drink fantears. 

 

Solas will very likely play an antagonistic role to the Inquisitor at some point. Their goals may not coincide. That is pretty heavily implied numerous times in the game. I would not bet against that prediction. 

 

But just because there's conflict, doesn't mean that the only outcome for that conflict is for one person to die. We don't know where the story is going, but clearly empathy is going to play a role in the outcome. Not much of a story if there isn't a struggle!

Also, I'm going to be the odd person who voices a potentially unpopular opinion.

I DON'T want to be the center of my LI's world. In order for a relationship to be balanced and normal, the other party should have things that are important to them apart from you. It's healthy. It's cool. And it's the mark of someone with a strong sense of what is right and wrong (for them) because there are rivers they WILL NOT cross because to do so would break their moral compass.

 

Everyone has a point, morally, that they will not pass. For Solas, it would be putting behind him his sense of justice/ what is right for a 60 year romance when he's immortal. That's like the equivalent of a spring fling in the immortal sense of things. I don't doubt that Lavellan means a TON to him and that his feelings were/ are very, very real.

But imagine if there was something you had been working your whole life towards, something you feel you MUST do, something that DEFINES you morally, and your husband/ lover/ boyfriend/ significant other asked you to give it up. For me, that'd be like asking me to give up my career as an artist/ illustrator I've spent over half of my life in training towards. I'd tell him to go take a freaking hike and if they loved me, they wouldn't ever ask me to give that up.
 

The issue with Solas, so far, is that we don't know exactly what he's sacrificing FOR, we know it's the People, but we don't know how he's getting there or what he thinks "help" means. It's clear he feels that he MUST do what he's going to do, or it will betray himself, and destroy his moral compass. If he had been open with Lavellan, she could have either chosen to help him or told him she couldn't tolerate his actions and leave him. 

So do I hate Solas for leaving? No. I respect it. Deeply. And I'd likely make the same decision if it were at the cost of giving up WHO I was as a person. What I dislike is that he left without communicating what was at stake. If he had told us what he was up against, what his goals were, things honestly could have been different.

The reason he didn't tell/ communicate with us? Likely because it would have broken the narrative the game studio already decided upon and destroyed the surprise of the end-game reveal. So don't freak out. There will very likely be an opportunity in the future for that to happen. If his romance locks in AFTER the break-up and we're prevented from bedding the rest of our companions even though we're "technically" single, there's a reason.

I won't lie, the Loghain example gets me through a lot of dark moments when it comes to Team Optimism. He and Solas resemble one another a lot in some ways, though I would argue Loghain (whom I adore) displayed more qualities of villainy in DA:O than Solas ever has. It would be strange to me if we didn't get some choice when Loghain can not only be redeemed, but thrive. Plus if that transcription proves anything, it's that Mr. Weekes sticks to his guns when it come to telling a good story. We can probably trust his direction~

The very reason he pulls away from her is because he loves her so much it scares him.

 

     

 

I was feeling so devastated and y'all just brought me out of it. 

 

 

I can't believe this affects me so much, but damn if I was really close to sobbing. The only things I don't want are a) I HAVE to kill him, and no choices to stay and no say. Just...damn. I keep thinking I'm better and then **** like this happens and I'm reminded that it still affects me a great deal, and I want Solas to be happy and not think he is alone, and he doesn't have to lie to one person ever again, and he can trust them. That type of **** hits me so hard.

 

Now I am crying. 

[BlueElf2]

Yeah, the thing that bothers me about the Maker is that he's apparently just abandoned the world because he's mad about the magisters breaking and entering, but everyone is like, "Well, if we just sing the chant enough, he'll eventually realize that we really need some help down here and come back." He's probably off sipping a drink with a tiny umbrella in it somewhere. *sigh*

[Caddius]

Lol and then when the Tevinter didn't just lay down and die, and kicked her ass instead (thanks to her player hating hubby anyway) he ditched us. 

 

Listen to me, motherfucker, if you didn't want her to die, you should have taught her that all's fair in love and war ******. And maybe use that god mojo to help a ****** out a little.

 

The Maker is a punk ass sore loser.

Similar to Solas in the 'respecting their commitment to their goal'.

Tevinter's goal seems to be 'Survive No Matter the Odds'. Even if it's just Minrathous.

Tevinter's survived for 2355 years if you get snooty. Rome survived for 2000 if you're generous. (And when it comes to Rome, I'm always generous.  )

Considering what they've gone up against, it's hard to imagine anything taking Tevinter down. 

But seriously. I'm a Tevinter fan just for their terrifying refusal to die. Like Rome during the Second Punic Wars, but with Qunari and Andraste's Exalted Marches.

One of the first lore things that really made me fall in love with Dragon Age was the Codex entries noting that Andraste's armies stood no chance of throwing down the Tevinter Imperium permanently, and that it was impressive that managed to hold on to anything at all. In Andraste's place, I would have called it off.

So I've been thinking that the spirits we face in the Temple of Sacred Ashes are Disciples of Andraste, but they're different Disciples than the ones depicted. It's mentioned Ash Wraiths are created by them tossing themselves into the sacrificial fire. And should you fail or reject one of the riddles, they turn into Ash Wraiths. Archon Hessarian is known to have ruled for years after Andraste's death and eventually died in bed, but he's present. They're Disciples that are acting out famous characters from their Prophet's life. None dares take the role of Andraste herself. A few may have even been there for real.

Cathaire's comments suggest that the Armies of the Faithful actually witnessed magical fire and lightning that they attributed to the Maker. The Dumat=Mythal=Andraste as a Vessel theory occurs to me. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

Yeah, it's the equivalent of unleashing violent zombie small pox on the world because some friends-of-friends crashed your super exclusive house party because you didn't pick up your cellphone, and only releasing the cure when they've sung "Don't Stop Believing" in every town on every continent.

We should get a TL;DR add-on for the Lore section on Vir'darthan wiki.

And put that under the Blight, Chantry version.

EDIT: Can I just comment that the Chantry seems pretty lazy in the 'spreading it to every corner of the world'? Where's the conquistadors? Where's the ruthless extermination of the Qun? How have they not wiped out Rivain? MAKE EVERYONE PLAY ALONG TO YOUR MUSICAL!

Side-note: 'Those Across the Sea' implies that Antiva is exploring the ocean for other lands. Antiva is loosely based off of Italian City-States and Spain. This could end badly.

[laurelinvanyar]

Ha, I guess I never noticed that Andraste is just the Ultimate Mary-Sue. Thanks so much guys. My eyes have been opened. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[CapricornSun]

HAHAHA you slayeth me.

 

I will cry buckets of tears if we have to kill him. I can take almost anything else, but not that. 

 

All I know is, if we are forced to kill him, I want it to go like this: 

 

Edit: (Spoilers for those who are fans of Sailor Moon but never read the SM manga.)

 

Spoiler

http://ex2.unixmanga...server=nas.html

 

http://ex2.unixmanga...server=nas.html

 

http://ex2.unixmanga...server=nas.html

 

At least that's my headcanon for my Lavellan if things go that way... Ugh! My heart...

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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