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[nranola]

What if the only choice

 

Was to either save Solas or save Thedas?

 

"Well, bye everyone. It was nice knowing all of you."

 

 

Don't you even.

[KarateKats]

I GREATLY APPROVE! And yes, were you using Photoshop's Timeline to animate? It's hell. But this turned out awesome! FIGHT IT.

Hahah thanks! And yeah I used CS6's timeline. I lost count how many times it magically turned on random layers on me.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I think you should know that I will probably spend an inordinate amount of time syncing music up to this. *laughs*

For some reason Beyonce's Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It) pops to mind....

 

I'll just show myself out. Clearly, I need sleep.

[KarateKats]

I think you should know that I will probably spend an inordinate amount of time syncing music up to this. *laughs*

That's awesome! I think the original meme is sped up a bit and goes to the song Positive Vibe - NIGHTkilla. If anyone wants to speed it up and stick it in a video you're more than welcome to knock yourself out. :]

[Meer]

For some reason Beyonce's Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It) pops to mind....

 

I'll just show myself out. Clearly, I need sleep.

I prefer that to my choice; it syncs up perfectly the beat of Gotye's Hearts a Mess, and that's way too sad.

[KarateKats]

YEAH. Okay, so what happens is that every time you create a layer, it turns on in Frame 1 - so ultimately, what it wants you to do is have everything animated before you throw it into Timeline. Which is... dumb. You're working in that aspect of Photoshop in order TO animate.

 

What you could try to do (and I haven't tried) is organize your animation layers into per-frame folders which might be easier to manage??

Yeah, it's pretty frustrating. There was a whole new window option as well that I hadn't seen before... where the frames window looked more like the After Effects timeline. Have you tried using that at all? It looked slightly weird to me but I wonder if it'd be a smoother way to try animating fast gifs. If I do anything more I'll give that folder thing a try.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I think you should know that I will probably spend an inordinate amount of time syncing music up to this. *laughs*

This...this is the one, lol!

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Valeria Lavellan]

Why, her reckoning is on the gods.

uh, I don't think shake the very heavens is a good thing. It is against the gods, but lets face it, those elven gods were a bunch of dick heads. (well, at least what they're telling us) Mythal wants revenge and a lot of people will die. And Solas is the one that will probably help her start the reckoning and,again, messes up and I guess we need to help him or stop mythal. Dammit, Solas, stop your bullshit.  You're not making it better!

[dragondreamer]

Still not sure what Mythal really wants, but I assume it aligns somehow with whatever Solas is doing, or else she wouldn't have given her power over so easily.

[Elven_Glory]

So I don't know anything about chess, but I did find out that the game is actually this one: http://en.wikipedia....i/Immortal_Game
Interesting.
The line from the wiki article that stands out is:
"In this game, Anderssen (as played by Solas) wins despite sacrificing a bishop, both rooks, and the queen to produce checkmate against Kieseritzky (The Iron Bull) who only lost three pawns. He offered both rooks to show that two active pieces are worth a dozen inactive pieces."
 
The article also talks about how, at the time, chess players tended to prefer "rapid development and attack" as "the most effective way to win," which this Anderssen guy apparently rejected. Kind of ties into that other banter with the Bull, where Bull talks about how Solas isn't flashy like most mages - most never see him coming.
 
I also see it as an example of Solas' subversive nature... and the difference between him and the other gods. Other gods would likely prefer big flashy moves, not caring how many soldiers or little people are sacrificed, where Solas sees that it's the little people, in their ability to escape notice, that can have real power. This is echoed in his respect for Sera's cause, and his trying to advise her.

I am so glad I started this conversation. I am learning so much. This also makes me want to go out and learn how to better my game of chess. Beautiful.

[laurelinvanyar]

So...I'm hoping that Mythal's goals and will go to Morrigan along with the "divinity" and Solas just has the power boost. Because otherwise I could see Flemythal hijacking Solas' goals and twisting them to suit her own ends. I for one don't think they have the exact same goal. 

[dragondreamer]

So...I'm hoping that Mythal's goals and will go to Morrigan along with the "divinity" and Solas just has the power boost. Because otherwise I could see Flemythal hijacking Solas' goals and twisting them to suit her own ends. I for one don't think they have the exact same goal. 

 

I don't think they have the exact same goal either.  I think it's more that what he's doing will also result in what she wants in some way.  And between the two of them, I'm a little more concerned with Solas' plans than Mythal's.

[panamakira]

Yeah I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of FleMythal~ Solas needed power, especially after he lost the Orb, so I could see her giving him more power so he can do whatever it is they have planned but I don't think they share the same goal or at least maybe they might have different methods to achieving that.

 

My only question is, if Solas needed the power of the foci, which we have in our hand and it's keeping us alive, why doesn't he just take his power back?

 

I wonder if that would be an option in the future. Does he have more need of the Inquisitor alive? or maybe he's not ready cross that line yet?

[laurelinvanyar]

I love Flemythal for her character...but I can't seem to trust her. I always feel like she's Up To Something. 

 

On the other hand, I totally trusted Solas. So maybe my instincts are just totally whack. 

[RynJ]

Okay so this is random but I'm replaying Mass Effect 2 and doing Thane's loyalty mission where you stop his son, Kolyat. The paragon interrupt option is to shoot the gun out of his hand and punch him in the face.

 

The animation for his response looks like the exact same one Solas has when the Inquisitor decks him! Maybe they transferred it into DAI. I cracked up when I saw it. Oh Solas, why are you invading all the games I play? 

[ShallowlLife9871]

@RynJ it's ok, my sis and I refer to Dorian's dad as Papa Pavaus, who has his own pizza delivery service.

 

called Papa Parvus's pizza delevery  ... we we're both drunk when made this up.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I love Flemythal for her character...but I can't seem to trust her. I always feel like she's Up To Something. 

 

On the other hand, I totally trusted Solas. So maybe my instincts are just totally whack. 

I never trusted Flemythal since I read all the books that had her in it and I have studied her character for quite some time. She is one of my favorite characters because I know that she has something up her sleeve, I don't know if I trust her...but the thing with Morrigan and Kerian made me trust her a bit more.

 

Solas I trusted as well, but I always had an inkling that something was hidden and what do I find out? He's the bloody Dread Wolf, lol.

[Elven_Glory]

I have been silently lurking in this thread for the past week since finishing my first playthrough of the game. Finally made my way through many of the posts, and I'm really pleased to have found so many thoughtful ideas and theories about Solas (as well as some hilarious and strange distractions! Ha!). So, I hought I would finally poke my head in and say hi. I romanced Solas on my first inquisitor, and let's just say as my first Bioware romance option, um, whoa. Did I just get lucky and pick the best (or perhaps worst, depending on your perspective) one...? Or are they all this engrossing and heartwrenching!? Hahaha. Something tells me no. 
 
I went into this game having not played any of the previous Dragon Age games, and ended up playing quite slowly, reading all codex entries, and looking stuff up on the wikis as I went, because there is a LOT of lore, far more than I could have expected, and a lot that you could easily miss if you just graze the surface of it while playing through. So, I tried to be thorough and pick up as much info as possible.
 
Based on what I've learned, and understanding that there are likely still several gaps in my knowledge of the history and religions of Thedas, here's what I think and where I hope the writers will go with Solas and Lavellan.
 
This is not so much theory-driven speculation as character-driven speculation. Here goes.
 
I think the third act of Inquisition started pushing toward an important future choice for Solas. His tragic flaw is that he takes 100% personal responsibility to fix his own mistakes, and remains too guarded to let anyone in enough to fully trust with the truth of his situation. He holds his cards very, very close. He doesn't know how to let himself trust other people enough to help him make important decisions, no doubt because he has seen so many people (/"gods") make terrible, power-hungry choices that have had awful and far-reaching consequences. More than anyone in the Inquisition, Solas knows that big decisions are not to be made lightly.
 
Solas is also profoundly uncomfortable with being emotionally vulnerable. He is (and I don't mean this as a slight--in fact I think I also am this) remedially introverted. His inability to open up is what holds him back, what trips him up. Lavellan starts to crack the shell, but Solas clams up and is too shy to let her all the way in. Asking someone else for help, to Solas, is an act of dumping his problems, his baggage, on someone else. Since he cares deeply for Lavellan, he doesn't want to burden her with his problems, or as he puts it, 'distract you from your duties'. Solving his problems by himself is his incredibly ineffective way of demonstrating that he cares. His actions are one part pride, one part selflessness. Solas values the individual, and a person's ability to be independent, because this is what he values in himself.
 
I would like to see Solas grow one step further... His curse for Vivienne, "may you learn", is advice he himself should heed. While we can only speculate exactly what Solas wanted the orb for, what the Elven artifacts were for, and what the Mythal absorption was for, we can infer Solas has something big planned involving the Fade. Because Lavellan still bears the mark, the two of them are still bound. As long as Lavellan possesses the mark she potentially has a unique ability connecting her to the Fade in a way that could either greatly aid or greatly hinder Solas' future plans. I think they will for sure meet again.
If Solas is forced to choose between what he deems to be the greater good (whatever his mysterious plan is), and saving one person, like Lavellan, I think the more interesting choice from a pure character development standpoint would be for Solas to choose Lavellan. If there is one person he couldn't bear to lose, it's her. We've seen Fen'Harel fall from grace before, and he has clearly suffered the consequences of the choice to 'go it alone' before. Solas has paid for his mistakes already. To see him really grow as a character, we need to see him driven to a point where he chooses what he wants, not what he believes he has to do. For Solas, the ends always justify the means. He's willing to make sacrifices. If we believe that the romance was absolutely genuine on his part, then the only sacrifice he might not be willing to make would involve Lavellan. The very reason he pulls away from her is because he loves her so much it scares him.
 
The Inquisitor made him doubt himself, and I'd like to see him eventually forced to act on that doubt, to learn what it is to not have to win.
For all his wisdom, Solas' blindspot is himself. He understands so little of what his own personal needs are, because he chooses to ignore them in favor of immersing himself in solving the problems of the world. He is intelligent enough and thoughtful enough to find enough external fascinations that he can distract himself from facing his own squishy emotions. Solas being forced to choose between saving Lavellan and accomplishing his ultimate goal is what I'd most like to see in DLC/future games. Even, and perhaps especially, if choosing Lavellan spells out dire consequences for him, I want to see these two get a chance to change together, if only for a moment. I don't foresee a happy ending, but I think Solas embracing the squishy side and putting the woman he loves ahead of any other agenda is about as positive a move as we can hope for, and that may be asking for a lot because that is the very thing that would be hardest for Solas to do... 
While Solas' motivations still aren't completely understood, I still felt like I got what made him tick. Could be wrong in my speculations, and I guess only time will tell, but I certainly have fun puzzling about Solas. Kudos to Patrick Weekes  What a complex and compelling character.
 
Also those thighs. Mmm.

You have brough up something I have been meaning to talk about in here. Solas' s introversion. Now, I have a mild anxiety disorder, so I feel like this is definitely relatable to me.You are absolutely right. I think Solas is an introvert as well as beeing stubbornly independent. I wonder, though, if him not telling the truth to Lavellan is more out of fear that she would outright reject him. Remember, his biggest fear is being alone. If he were to tell her the truth and she could not accept it, he would lose her anyway. In his mind, better to have it be on his terms. Which is why I tend to question which choice is actually the selfish one. On the one hand, he is protecting his heart, because it's typically easier to heal from a broken relationship if youre the initiator. On the other hand he's probably also trying to protect His Heart (as in Lavellan) which is such a catch 22. I mean I really want to just hug the guy. And cry. A lot.

[dragondreamer]

Yeah I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of FleMythal~ Solas needed power, especially after he lost the Orb, so I could see her giving him more power so he can do whatever it is they have planned but I don't think they share the same goal or at least maybe they might have different methods to achieving that.

 

My only question is, if Solas needed the power of the foci, which we have in our hand and it's keeping us alive, why doesn't he just take his power back?

 

I wonder if that would be an option in the future. Does he have more need of the Inquisitor alive? or maybe he's not ready cross that line yet?

 

I think it's like Cory said, the anchor can't be removed.  I suspect that even if Quizzy died, the power couldn't be salvaged, or Cory would have done so.  Solas likely tried to figure out a way to remove it while he was stabilizing her during those first few days.  In those days before he had any attachment, I think he would have taken it if it was possible, even if it killed her.

[HurricaneGinger]

You have brough up something I have been meaning to talk about in here. Solas' s introversion. Now, I have a mild anxiety disorder, so I feel like this is definitely relatable to me.You are absolutely right. I think Solas is an introvert as well as beeing stubbornly independent. I wonder, though, if him not telling the truth to Lavellan is more out of fear that she would outright reject him. Remember, his biggest fear is being alone. If he were to tell her the truth and she could not accept it, he would lose her anyway. In his mind, better to have it be on his terms. Which is why I tend to question which choice is actually the selfish one. On the one hand, he is protecting his heart, because it's typically easier to heal from a broken relationship if youre the initiator. On the other hand he's probably also trying to protect His Heart (as in Lavellan) which is such a catch 22. I mean I really want to just hug the guy. And cry. A lot.

 

Same here. It's one of the reasons his character hit me so hard. It's so many things, but one of the main is that fear that she will reject him when he reveals who he is and what he feels like he must do. 

 

Damn. They wanted to show how sad Solas was, well they did it...and it just showed that I and many others are as such too. It hurts.

[Colonelkillabee]

uh, I don't think shake the very heavens is a good thing. It is against the gods, but lets face it, those elven gods were a bunch of dick heads. (well, at least what they're telling us) Mythal wants revenge and a lot of people will die. And Solas is the one that will probably help her start the reckoning and,again, messes up and I guess we need to help him or stop mythal. Dammit, Solas, stop your bullshit.  You're not making it better!

Haha, I for one welcome our Flemythal overlord

[Draconaise]

I don't see the situation ever playing out as Lavellan simply asking or expecting Solas to choose her over his larger goals--I can't see that being the case. He's already demonstrated that he'll leave her to further his goals. Down the line though, what if his choice becomes her life vs. his personal goals? Could he sacrifice her? There's a big difference between being confident enough in what you want to break up with someone over it, but to condemn them to death is a different story. Rarely in life are people faced with such extreme choices. The stakes are significantly higher, and I am very interested to know what Solas would do 'if pushed'. Call me a romantic, but I'd rather see him choose the less villainous option, if it comes to it. Though, I guess it depends what his goals are. If, say, there were an easier way to do what he wanted, but it meant Lavellan dying, I'd like to believe he'd choose the more difficult route. If it comes down to weighing Lavellan's life against those of many others, who knows what Solas would pick. He has indicated that he has the capacity to value one individual over 'the masses'...