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But they have the creator, it's finished and working already. And they provided it for DA2 already.

Modding is a bit different because you don't have direct access (or so I assume and would be surprised to hear if they opened their code to modders).

Vastly different engines

 

DA2 was done by Bioware, DAI is done by DICE which while belonging to EA as well is done by a different set of people. And frostbyte is done with a paranoid concern for secrecy, everything is compressed encrypted, checksummed and bit shifted after it is "done" Changing stuff after it is saved is hard for us modders but wouldn't be easy for DICE either.

 

Also the article doesn't mention but most of their devs moved to the Mass Effect 4 team after DAI was released so they must be lacking knowledgeable people


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 I don't think so. The game offers us Dagna who, if we knew fer from DA:O plays totally va banque, escapes from her traditional father even if her heart hurts and risks everything to study magic, something completely "undwarfy". So... possible? Possible.

 

Bianca from her side is "papa, don't preach" and oh, so self dependent and smart, but anyway she does not have the guts to stand by Varric. Pinax slightly disapproves.

 

If she did stand up to her family then they'd take it out on Varric.  He makes that pretty clear in the post-quest dialouge.


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Dagna x Sandal.
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Dagna x Sandal.

Imagine the children....


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Imagine the children....


I'm not sure I can but I'm convinced it would be very interesting....

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So many possibilities....

 

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Dagna x Sandal.

 

DagnaxSera!  The explosions!  The impratical weaponary!


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DagnaxSera! The explosions! The impratical weaponary!


But I'm pretty sure Dagna and Sandal could spawn some kind of ....... (fill in the blank)

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Aww, I like Carver. He's my darling grumpy baby bro. :D  (Well, Hawke's grumpy baby bro, but you know what I mean. :P)

For Fiona and Bianca I'm just indifferent (though I do pity Fiona in a way).

 

I love Carver.  I'm an only child IRL, so getting to experience the cranky sibling dynamic was a lot of fun for me.  And Warden Carver is one of the best things about DA2; I was so very proud of him.

 

Fiona I just generally loathe; I can see why people might like her as a character, but not me.  Bianca I like, but I honestly think that has more to do with having a VA crush on Laura Bailey than Bianca herself.  She does have some dialogue with an artificer PC that helped me warm up to her too.

 

(Entirely off-topic: I managed to drag myself out of the Dragon Age hole this weekend.  No fanfiction, no playing DA:I, no nothing, thanks to Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments.  I highly recommend it as an antidote to wallowing in Solavellan hell.)


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Vastly different engines

 

DA2 was done by Bioware, DAI is done by DICE which while belonging to EA as well is done by a different set of people. And frostbyte is done with a paranoid concern for secrecy, everything is compressed encrypted, checksummed and bit shifted after it is "done" Changing stuff after it is saved is hard for us modders but wouldn't be easy for DICE either.

 

Also the article doesn't mention but most of their devs moved to the Mass Effect 4 team after DAI was released so they must be lacking knowledgeable people

Yeah, same difference to a good developer. What I meant is: they know how to go about such things. And they did it before, so the thought will have crossed their minds that players will want to have such a DLC again. You develop with this thought in mind.
They will not have to put up with most security mechanisms because they have direct access to their code and they already have all the functions for creation finished (which, as I assume, are already build in a way to allow for repeated modification).

As for the specific engine, yes, I do not know its code. But they get the editor working at the beginning of the game. Cannot be so difficult to simply do the same thing again. The only problem should be getting the model back into it instead of only loading the templates.

 

BioWare is a huge company with about 1000 employees, and a part of EA even. I refuse to believe that they did not consider and plan for this prior to release. I really believe they got some very good people there, in all departments. I don't even want to consider they could be that short-sighted. Modding is a whole different issue than working on your own code.

 

However, this is really off-topic, so I'll leave it at that. And maybe you are right and they did not prepare for this. If you like to explain more about it, please just send me a PM.



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 I don't think so. The game offers us Dagna who, if we knew fer from DA:O plays totally va banque, escapes from her traditional father even if her heart hurts and risks everything to study magic, something completely "undwarfy". So... possible? Possible.

 

Bianca from her side is "papa, don't preach" and oh, so self dependent and smart, but anyway she does not have the guts to stand by Varric. Pinax slightly disapproves.

In her defense, if she would have been disowned and then lost access to her work...presumably she wouldn't be able to be in the guild...she probably thought that was too big of an ask.  We know so little about her. She may actually like her parents and want a relationship with them. She clearly loves her work - maybe more than Varric(probably) - and membership in the guild clearly has a lot of advantages.  Varric is smart enough to recognize that the relationship isn't ideal. He even says it really isn't a relationship. They just kind of hook up every few years but he's not willing to be within anyone else.  I think he could do better and deserves better but he doesn't want better...he wants Bianca.

That being said - I don't like her.  She threatened me with violence after she royally screwed up. Some contrition would be nice.  Right now she's on my ****-list.


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Regarding Varric and Bianca... didn't mean to add fuel to the fire and start a debate. I'm no stranger to liking characters others don't (I liked Carver a lot, and I think Fiona's a great character even if her decisions made me facepalm a bit... hell, I love Anders, as in DA2 Anders... so, yeah.) And as far as their relationship goes - we don't really know enough to judge either of them. I want to say Bianca is selfish for stringing him along, but for all we know she tried to break it off and he begged her not to. *shrug* I just really didn't like the way she was portrayed, nor did I like how smug her voice actress seemed to sound in every other line. I feel like they tried to so hard to make her seem cool, to the point where I found her unlikeable, which in turn made me feel really unsympathetic toward their situation.


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I love Carver. I'm an only child IRL, so getting to experience the cranky sibling dynamic was a lot of fun for me. And Warden Carver is one of the best things about DA2; I was so very proud of him.

Fiona I just generally loathe; I can see why people might like her as a character, but not me. Bianca I like, but I honestly think that has more to do with having a VA crush on Laura Bailey than Bianca herself. She does have some dialogue with an artificer PC that helped me warm up to her too.

(Entirely off-topic: I managed to drag myself out of the Dragon Age hole this weekend. No fanfiction, no playing DA:I, no nothing, thanks to Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments. I highly recommend it as an antidote to wallowing in Solavellan hell.)


I've been DA free all weekend too! I'm starting to get twitchy/shakey now though...

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I love Carver.  I'm an only child IRL, so getting to experience the cranky sibling dynamic was a lot of fun for me.  And Warden Carver is one of the best things about DA2; I was so very proud of him.

 

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I have a sister IRL but I've also always wanted a brother so in a way, I sort of get to experience that through him. xD I do like Bethany too (she's a sweetheart) but I found Carver more interesting. And yes, I was very proud of Warden Carver by the end of DA2. *wipes tear from eye*

 

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Regarding Varric and Bianca... didn't mean to add fuel to the fire and start a debate. I'm no stranger to liking characters others don't (I liked Carver a lot, and I think Fiona's a great character even if her decisions made me facepalm a bit... hell, I love Anders, as in DA2 Anders... so, yeah.) And as far as their relationship goes - we don't really know enough to judge either of them. I want to say Bianca is selfish for stringing him along, but for all we know she tried to break it off and he begged her not to. *shrug* I just really didn't like the way she was portrayed, nor did I like how smug her voice actress seemed to sound in every other line. I feel like they tried to so hard to make her seem cool, to the point where I found her unlikeable, which in turn made me feel really unsympathetic toward their situation.

 

I like debating!  And I like defending my favourite characters.  The tone of this discussion has been pretty civil, too.  But if it's getting off-topic then I'll drop the matter.

 

On Topic:

 

Solas' butt.


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I've been DA free all weekend too! I'm starting to get twitchy/shakey now though...

 

I was like that over Thanksgiving.  Out of town, without my PC, and I think I'd just gotten to Halamshiral and I was dying to play it but couldn't  <_<



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I was like that over Thanksgiving. Out of town, without my PC, and I think I'd just gotten to Halamshiral and I was dying to play it but couldn't <_<


Mine was self imposed cold turkey :D

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I have a sister IRL and I've always wanted a brother so in a way, I sort of get to experience that through him. xD I do like Bethany too (she's a sweetheart) but I found Carver more interesting. And yes, I was very proud of Warden Carver by the end of DA2. *wipes tear from eye*

 

My little Warden brother is so grown up now!

 

Honestly, I love the rival relationship between sarcastic!Hawke and Carver.  He really does not get his big sister at all, and she just spends her time making bad jokes and trolling him.


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Dagna x Sandal.

 

Yuck!



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Yuck!


That's mean!

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I like debating!  And I like defending my favourite characters.  The tone of this discussion has been pretty civil, too.  But if it's getting off-topic then I'll drop the matter.

 

On Topic:

 

Solas' butt.

 

Yeah that picture where it's bouncing? Great picture but wrong, Solas's  butt doesn't bounce like that...

 

Solas's butt is nice, rounded and solid with all the muscle he built up hiking.  :P

 

My contribution to getting us all back on track.


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My little Warden brother is so grown up now!

 

Honestly, I love the rival relationship between sarcastic!Hawke and Carver.  He really does not get his big sister at all, and she just spends her time making bad jokes and trolling him.

 

Aww, I played a diplomatic!Hawke. xD It's been years since I've played DA2 but I think Carver didn't appreciate my Hawke being all goody two-shoes and nice to the mages. :P I guess that's why he resents her so much, but I still love him. <3



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That's mean!

 

I don't mean to be mean but they're simply not compatible... Yes, they're both dwarves but Dagna is a chatty extrovert and Sandal is virtually non-verbal. So I stand by my yuck...


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Aww, I played a diplomatic!Hawke. xD It's been years since I've played DA2 but I think Carver didn't appreciate my Hawke being all goody two-shoes and nice to the mages. :P I guess that's why he resents her so much, but I still love him. <3

 

My take on the scarcastic!Hawke and Carver relationship is that she constantly teases him in the hope to make him less serious. Plus, she does stupid things like make fun of Templers while standing in the Gallows.  I think if Varric ever does write Carver's story it's going to be called 'Sister, No!'


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My contribution to getting us all back on track.

If you would like to go on discussing Bianca, how about a smooth transition? Like "What do you think is Solas's opinion on Bianca?"

(I find this a rather interesting question, actually.)


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