i tried. tried so hard for science but like i could NEVER do that after seeing the video. he even sounds like he's about to cry. cullen's is just as bad though. if - before you sleep together - you tell him that you just want to be friends. OOOFFFF.
The worst for me was Fenris' walk of shame if you give him back to Danarius. I watched it on youtube and I bawled my eyes out. His and Solas' expression of hurt and betrayal is just too much for me...physically draining...
I'm going to have to reply indivually tomorrow (this board moves so fast!) but thanks for the responses so far, guys. 
It's wonderful to see so many friendly faces (so to speak) and wiling to answer questions readily (and speedy, have I mentioned - oh, I have) it feels like I'm back in the Garrus board again!
Keep them coming!
i tried. tried so hard for science but like i could NEVER do that after seeing the video. he even sounds like he's about to cry. cullen's is just as bad though. if - before you sleep together - you tell him that you just want to be friends. OOOFFFF.
The worst for me was Fenris' walk of shame if you give him back to Danarius. I watched it on youtube and I bawled my eyes out. His and Solas' expression of hurt and betrayal is just too much for me...physically draining...
I can't even watch them on YouTube. While I love the lore and story, the point of connection for me has always been BioWare's characters, and I can never bring myself to cause them pain like that, even characters I don't like. I'm also the enormous softie who thinks rescuing a box of starving kittens in a tiny apartment is a great idea, so there's that too 
I feel like I just created the most miserable Lavellan in the history of ever. My first Lavellan looked childish, my second one like a tough warrior...and this one is a friendly little technician archer named Ethassan ("safe arrow") who always loves to plan things and test stuff. Yet she looks like she could start crying at any given moment. Welp, girl will have a very rough time, that's for sure! A nightmare run where Solas(s) is our ever-loving Lavellan-ditching egghead. Oh, throw in some casual moments with the Bull, too, and you've got it rough, girl. Not to mention my lovely headcanon of someone trying to crack her skull in two a few years ago!
That being said, I still admire the fact that the character creator offers so much variety! Not a single one of my Lavellans looks remotely close to another. Who's with me?
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They did a really good job too!
I can't even watch them on YouTube. While I love the lore and story, the point of connection for me has always been BioWare's characters, and I can never bring myself to cause them pain like that, even characters I don't like. I'm also the enormous softie who thinks rescuing a box of starving kittens in a tiny apartment is a great idea, so there's that too
If someone doesn't go into a building to rescue kittens...they have no soul...
I've never particularily liked Anders, but if you choose to kill him while romanced...OMG the tears...I can't.
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Loving the battlemaster mail arms on her. What did Cornflakes mean by that anyway. Makes me wonder if the marker has other effects on our soul we're not aware of. Cole hints at some change. We're "bright".
10/10 would love to be a god. Gives me hope for being inquisitor again if we're this legendary, considering you could never top that. I'm in full support of that.
Loving the battlemaster mail arms on her. What did Cornflakes mean by that anyway. Makes me wonder if the marker has other effects on our soul we're not aware of. Cole hints at some change. We're "bright".
10/10 would love to be a god. Gives me hope for being inquisitor again if we're this legendary, considering you could never top that. I'm in full support of that.
Presumably with the Anchor, and some fine-tuning, the Inquisitor could physically enter the Fade and the Black City.
The real question is why Cornflakes thinks going to the Black City on his own behalf rather than Dumat's will change anything. Then again, the Blight is a source of power, and he's already darkspawn...
But yeah. 'Godhood' at a price appears to be possible for the Inquisitor.
Loving the battlemaster mail arms on her. What did Cornflakes mean by that anyway. Makes me wonder if the marker has other effects on our soul we're not aware of. Cole hints at some change. We're "bright".
10/10 would love to be a god. Gives me hope for being inquisitor again if we're this legendary, considering you could never top that. I'm in full support of that.
Makes me wonder if gods can be born in these times or overly powerful people like Solas implies. I would love to have my lavellan as a god or a beacon of hope for the elven people, but she wouldn't accept it and is there to serve the people when needed. Maybe the leader the elves finally need. To get their **** together and build a new seed, a new empire (excluding all the racism and forgetting the past, of course)
Maybe we're the new pantheon. I think is time to say good bye to the old elven gods and bring new views to the new world.
Hi guys, recently finished DA:I and when ME3 finished I spent a great few months on the Garrus thread in the Character/Romance forums on the old Bioware Social threads before they got locked, and I fully intend to do the same here. *gets comfortable*
Firstly, congratulations on over 2500 pages! That's a lot of fandom! I'm really pleased to see it.
When I first started playing DA:I I didn't really like Solas, he seemed a bit up his own backside for my liking, but when I saw the first Romance option and took it, I was like, "Damn, Solas, you smooth! Let's see where this goes," and he really grew on me. He's rivalling Garrus in a lot of ways for my favourite companion now! Although, King Cole the Dragon Slayer is really close too.
Now, sadly I managed to lose my save right before starting the Orleasian Ball, but I watched my partner play through the rest (he's not a fan of Solas, sadly), and devoured the Wiki entry on Solas, so I know what to expect from my Lavellan's relationship, but I do have a few questions both plot and romance related:
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Sorry for the firing a mass of bullet points there, and I'm really sorry if this has already been discussed/answered, but 2500 pages is a lot to go through and I think I've asked questions the FAQ doesn't quite cover. If I haven't though, please feel free to redirect me to the FAQ.
Looking forward to spending time with you all! ^^
Text edit for spelling. Also, damn; I start writing this and the board gains 4 new pages. Faaaast!
At this point we don't know for sure. My best guess is that Solas is carrying the spirit of Fen'Harel just like Flemeth carries Mythal, but she chose to stay in Thedas while he preferred to sleep and stay in the Fade.
Abelas pretty much confirmed that the Dalish tales about Fen'Harel are misinterpretations. There are a lot of of statues in Mythal's temple so they seemed to be in good terms.
The scene ingame left some room for interpretation, yet there are some developer notes left in the game that say that Mythal gave her power to Solas willingly, but left Mythal's "essence" to Morrigan. So it's not possession exactly.
According to dev notes, it was "a thousand years." I still would take this with a grain of salt until it's confirmed ingame.
Solas tricked Corypheus into activating the Orb, but we don't know what exactly he needed it for.
Flemeth says the orb was Solas' in the epilogue. My impression was that he was more interested in the Orb itself than the mark's power.
Sera's comment happens if you ask her ehat she think of him in Skyhold, the "side benefit" is during the conversation in Skyhold after completing Mythal's temple.
Most of it is party banter, I don't think Vivienne comments on it at all.
Yup.
Solas believes the vallaslin's true meaning is that they're slave marks, and the Dalish believe they honor the gods.So the real question is, should the elves "fix" their culture and go back to their original beliefs, or else recognize that they're no longer the elves of old, keep their current traditions and move forward? I think this decision will become relevant at some point, because Solas wants to "restore what was".
Presumably with the Anchor, and some fine-tuning, the Inquisitor could physically enter the Fade and the Black City.
The real question is why Cornflakes thinks going to the Black City on his own behalf rather than Dumat's will change anything. Then again, the Blight is a source of power, and he's already darkspawn...
But yeah. 'Godhood' at a price appears to be possible for the Inquisitor.
Going there last time didn't just make him a darkspawn but made him akin to an archdemon. If he went again into the heart of the place, who knows what would happen, or what he'd find.
He can keep that though, lol. Don't want to look like a scab. Your power with the anchor just seems to be getting stronger and stronger though.
10/10 would love to be a god. Gives me hope for being inquisitor again if we're this legendary, considering you could never top that. I'm in full support of that.
Same here. If one of our DA PCs has the real chance to aspire to some type of godlike status, I'd be all over that.
The worst for me was Fenris' walk of shame if you give him back to Danarius. I watched it on youtube and I bawled my eyes out. His and Solas' expression of hurt and betrayal is just too much for me...physically draining...
I gave Fenris to Danarius to see what happened, My sister hit me so hard.
On my romanced Hawke no less.
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If someone doesn't go into a building to rescue kittens...they have no soul...
I've never particularily liked Anders, but if you choose to kill him while romanced...OMG the tears...I can't.
I don't know if I'd go that far. This is the top comment on the video that shows a romanced Anders get killed, and it's pretty spot on:
"I would have preferred more of a difference. More of a sense of betrayal, Hawke saying she loved him before killing him, a sad look as she walks away. Something. This could have been a lot more intense than it was, but BioWare just rushed over the romance aspect, likely figuring no one would kill him if he's been romanced. Just not as powerful as I would have liked it to be."
Makes me wonder if gods can be born in these times or overly powerful people like Solas implies. I would love to have my lavellan as a god or a beacon of hope for the elven people, but she wouldn't accept it and is there to serve the people when needed. Maybe the leader the elves finally need. To get their **** together and build a new seed, a new empire (excluding all the racism and forgetting the past, of course)
Maybe we're the new pantheon. I think is time to say good bye to the old elven gods and bring new views to the new world.
New Arlathan, I would support that. For me though it'd be a new prophet. I'd use that status to help the dalish all the same though. Works with my character's background. Backup plan if divine Cass doesn't work out. Which if it doesn't, I'm fine with it because it's a better story.
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I'm going to be completely honest. I hate Solas. I like his romance, but I hate him. He's too hypocritical and high-and-mighty for my liking. Mainly the prior.
I romanced him because my playthrough had happy endings for Hawke and my Warden, and I wanted my Inquisitor to have the grimmest ending possible. Drank from the Well, romanced Solas. Mwahahaha. I is evil.
Gotta get myself to actually make her divine though... will try this time.
I don't know if I'd go that far. This is the top comment on the video that shows a romanced Anders get killed, and it's pretty spot on:
"I would have preferred more of a difference. More of a sense of betrayal, Hawke saying she loved him before killing him, a sad look as she walks away. Something. This could have been a lot more intense than it was, but BioWare just rushed over the romance aspect, likely figuring no one would kill him if he's been romanced. Just not as powerful as I would have liked it to be."
Hawke I found to be pretty emotionless throughout the game, she barely mourned her own sibling/mother's death. Just the idea of it was what makes it so sad, and when Anders says that he was glad it was you that was going to kill him. And when he cries while he's dying...I really did feel sorry for him, even though I hated his character.
I gave Fenris to Danarius to see what happened, My sister hit me so hard.
On my romanced Hawke no less.
Omg...did you at least reload and kill him after?? HOW COULD YOU EVEN DO SUCH A THING. Fenris is my baby.... 
6) The Orb is listed as Mythal's in game files, which raises all sorts of interesting questions. Regardless, it seems that the power is permanently attached to the Inquisitor, and Solas decided to make the best of a bad situation. The destruction of the Orb seems to have driven him to more desperate measures, namely the sacrifice of Mythal.
I still think it's more likely that the orb was originally his. Flemeth calls it his orb in the epilogue, and there was another elven artifact attributed to Fen'Harel that was used to enter the Fade.
I'm going to be completely honest. I hate Solas. I like his romance, but I hate him. He's too hypocritical and high-and-mighty for my liking. Mainly the prior.
I romanced him because my playthrough had happy endings for Hawke and my Warden, and I wanted my Inquisitor to have the grimmest ending possible. Drank from the Well, romanced Solas. Mwahahaha. I is evil.
I think you're on the wrong forum then 
....we all love him 
jk. 
Stay as long as you like
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Hawke I found to be pretty emotionless throughout the game, she barely mourned her own sibling/mother's death. Just the idea of it was what makes it so sad, and when Anders says that he was glad it was you that was going to kill him. And when he cries while he's dying...I really did feel sorry for him, even though I hated his character.
Omg...did you at least reload and kill him after?? HOW COULD YOU EVEN DO SUCH A THING. Fenris is my baby....
I didn't notice any crying. :/
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I think you're on the wrong forum then
jk.
lol, I know. Just needed to get that off of my chest. Maybe it's an oversight, but he contradicts himself a lot.
lol, I know. Just needed to get that off of my chest. Maybe it's an oversight, but he contradicts himself a lot.
I think it's because he's undecided about alot.
Hi guys, recently finished DA:I and when ME3 finished I spent a great few months on the Garrus thread in the Character/Romance forums on the old Bioware Social threads before they got locked, and I fully intend to do the same here. *gets comfortable*
Firstly, congratulations on over 2500 pages! That's a lot of fandom! I'm really pleased to see it.
When I first started playing DA:I I didn't really like Solas, he seemed a bit up his own backside for my liking, but when I saw the first Romance option and took it, I was like, "Damn, Solas, you smooth! Let's see where this goes," and he really grew on me. He's rivalling Garrus in a lot of ways for my favourite companion now! Although, King Cole the Dragon Slayer is really close too.
Now, sadly I managed to lose my save right before starting the Orleasian Ball, but I watched my partner play through the rest (he's not a fan of Solas, sadly), and devoured the Wiki entry on Solas, so I know what to expect from my Lavellan's relationship, but I do have a few questions both plot and romance related:
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1) We don't know for sure, but personally I think he's the real deal, based on everything we see in the game. Mythal is the only elven god said to have died, so she's a special case. The datamined dev notes also indicate that Solas is the true fen'harel.
2) Good friends is all we know for sure. Their embrace in the epilogue scene was very tender, but I have a feeling that they were just friends who hadn't seen each other in a very long time.
3) Not possession. According to the dev notes Flemythal knew that Solas would need what power she had left so she nurtured it and prepared for the time when he would come to take it. She gave him her power and is somehow going to pass her godhood onto Morrigan. Flemeth is, by all indications, actually dead in the epilogue scene.
4) Dev notes say 1000 years. We don't know whether that's an exact number with any meaning or if it's just shorthand.
5) Flemythal says "you should not have given your orb to Corypheus", implying that it was a willing transfer. But we have no idea what the circumstances were.
6) Again, Flemythal says "your orb" when talking to Solas. Previously, Solas says that the orbs were foci that supposedly channeled the power of the ancient elves' gods.
We know that Solas nursed the Inquisitor after they received the anchor, likely saving their life. If the Inquisitor gets very low approval with him there's a scene where Solas angrily confronts them about the decisions they've been making, accusing them of using their power in order to trick people into blindly following them. The impression I got from that scene is that Solas is both angry and disappointed in the Inquisitor, but also blames himself for being the reason the Inquisitor has this power in the first place. By contrast, if the Inquisitor has high approval then Solas has a scene where he tries very hard to explain what the Inquisitor means to him (with varying degrees of success), and where he praises the Inquisitor for using the power they hold wisely.
7) You get Sera's line if you ask her about Solas after the second kiss. The "getting you into bed is an enjoyable side benefit" line happens if you pick one of the middle options in a conversation after the temple of mythal.
8) Sera and Josie comment on the removed vallaslin if you remove them and go talk to them after the breakup. Cass comments on their removal in party banter. Cole comments on the relationship after the breakup in party banter (which is an interactive banter). Viv comments on the relationship if your approval is high enough to ask her about your companions (she talks about them randomly when you hit the option, like Blackwall) after the second kiss.
9) After the breakup, unfortunately. 
That's also when the romance "locks in", ironically enough. With basically everyone else the lock point is way earlier. Of course, that could be interpreted as a sign that it isn't really over yet. Still, it hurts to get the "beloved and precious" achievement right after Solas breaks your heart.
10) It really depends on your character. There are no wrong answers. If you're not sure then I'd recommend keeping a save before the scene and trying out different options (as heartbreaking as that may be). As for the vallaslin, I'm not sure what I'm going to do for my canon playthrough, but I actually love how, if you choose to keep them, you can give a really good reason for why (meanings change, they're a part of who she is now), and the fact that he accepts her reason without a second thought and tells her she's perfect just the way she is makes my heart melt. But in the end, do what feels right for you and your character. 
And Solas has basically become my Dragon Age Garrus by this point. I've never been so into a character in DA, both romance-wise and as a character in his own right.
I return \o/
Thank you to Ajna, Missy_MI, Little Mama, Shari'El, madrar, phyreblade74, jellobell, Siha, drake2511, Giton, AutumnOracle, Elven_Glory, and Kryllian for the kind words after my last post. Held that in for a long time! But things are looking better now. Just after New Year's, my sister gave birth to a baby girl, and I have been spending as much time as I can over there helping care for her. Her baby smiles are mending my heart and giving me purpose again. Such is the circle of life.
So much to catch up on (congrats 2500 posts, Solas thread 
) but want to update some thoughts on a previous theory regarding the symbol of the wolf:
This was in response to the wolf in the final, unfinished fresco. However, the more I think about it the more... appreciative I become of this idea of the wolf not being a single person, or even deity - but an idea shared by many, and later misinterpreted.
In Emerald Graves we see two types of wolf statues. One, the obedient, protective servant. The other, howling in rebellion. They are the same creature in two different states.
There is an Emerald Graves codex informing us of the wolves serving as companions to the Emerald Knights. We could interpret this in several ways:
1> actual wolves used practically for their combat skills
2> used practically and as a symbol of "loyalty in the service of noble elf" (treatment of companion-wolves and slaves/servants the same)
3> Not wolves at all, but a class of servant or slave bodyguards represented by the wolf symbol
4> actual wolves, with Ghilan'nain-approved spirits trapped in wolf bodies to enhance their intelligence/abilities (!)
2> or 3> sees the wolf symbol being used in it's two different states; one representing before rebellion, the other after.
Something else I must share, in relation to frescos and symbolism, is this passage from H.P. Lovecraft's The Nameless City, in which so much sounds eerily familiar (and I would be surprised if it had not been a source of inspiration for DA)!
Unfortunately all this conflicts with "The Four Faces of Solas" theory (sorry madrar!), but I am satisfied with the possibility of the "wolf" as an allegorical symbol for "the oppressed". And... I am *probably* alone in the wishing of Solas potentially being "just another guy". A survivor of an ancient rebellion, with extraordinary skills and a heavy burden to bear... but a normal, non-god guy all the same.
(@Caddius: The comparisons between Ancient Arlathan and Ancient Greece have me so excited that is my favourite subject *prepares to geek out* )
Anyway, catch up time!
I didn't notice any crying. :/
I could have sworn there was... 
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