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[Avejajed]

I don't see why it can't be literal wolves or even spirit wolves. My Dalish ranger in Origins always had a summoned wolf with her. I even stopped leveling up the skill because I didn't want the stronger animals- not as cute as the little wolf. Little did I know she was being historical, lol. Anyway, if Fereldans have mabari and if halla and griffons are basically sentient and choose to be companions of their riders, then I don't see why Thedosian elfy wolves couldn't do the same.

BTW I love that in the Emerald Graves, all the IQ camps are guarded by wolf statues. 

 

 

Well I didn't mean that it couldn't be literal wolves. Just that they maybe didn't have to be.

[Rabbitonfire]

There's a german proverb about having hiccups: "There's someone out there thinking about you, but kissing some else."

That sounds sad but awesome depending on your relationship situation.

[Miss This or That]

That sounds sad but awesome depending on your relationship situation.

 

It's mostly used in a joking manner, but its awesome for headcanons!

[Moondreamer01]

Another theory we bandied around chatzy last night concerned who and what exactly is Solas. It was mentionned how the orb, in the game files, is called Mythal's orb, and not Fen'Harel's orb. What if Solas isn't a god at all? He was born in a small village, just as he told the Quizzie (he isn't known to outright lie unless he's really stuck, and he pretty much volunteer the information on his youth). He was a solitary youth with the powers of a dreamer (thus is exploring of the Fade). What if he was found there, by Mythal and taken in by her? Could he have been a slave himself at some point? Could it be why he finds the vallasin so distasteful? In any case, Mythal gives him an orb that allows him to access some of her powers and he perhaps serves as her guardian wolf, Emeral Knight-style. Or maybe he become, a bit like Ghil, a new addition to the pantheon (if that is the case, I like to believe it was by his own power and smarts. Imagine how prideful that would make him!)

 

After Mythal is betrayed and kill, he does the only thing he thinks is right and organize an uprising against the gods. Maybe the taint has addled them by that point and he sees no other solution than to emprison them behind an eluvian. But, just like Thelm in Liza's theory of Tyrdda's story, it takes all his energy and he lapses in uthenera until he wakes again to see the consequence of his acts.

 

The interesting thing with that theory is that, if it's true, it brings some new meaning to the reveal at the end. The orb is broken, so he can't access Mythal's power through it anymore. But Mythal gift him the biggest part of her own powers, leaving only her godhood for Morrigan (when I watch it, I always feel like Mythal is the one to initiate the transfer. After all, by that point, she's much more powerful than he is). Does that make Solas, from now on, a god? Or at least makes him as powerful as one, in a way that he never was before (with the orb, most of his power was separate from him, and easy to steal, if Corypheus is anything to go by). Now, they are integral part of him. 

 

We might be completely in the left field here, but I thought it was an interesting theory. Thanks to everyone who was in chat yesterday bouncing ideas with me!

[Colonelkillabee]

It is interesting, though I admit I'd be uber disappointed if Solas wasn't Fen'harel.... And what Cole said to him about his sealing of the gods being the right ting to do still remains unexplained.

[Moondreamer01]

It is interesting, though I admit I'd be uber disappointed if Solas wasn't Fen'harel.... And what Cole said to him about his sealing of the gods being the right ting to do still remains unexplained.

Oh, he is. It's just that Fen'Harel being a god is not actually the whole truth.

[Colonelkillabee]

I see what you mean. Though someone mentioned before that he looked rather surprised when he found out Mythal was still around. It is odd though that his orb is called hers in the files.

[Little Mama]

@Ajna

Sorry, to hear you're having a bad day. 

Have a hug. 

 

_{I think my better halfs finaly waking up btw (after a chocolate bar and an energy drink)}

[Illyria]

Another theory we bandied around chatzy last night concerned who and what exactly is Solas. It was mentionned how the orb, in the game files, is called Mythal's orb, and not Fen'Harel's orb. What it Solas isn't a god at all? He was born in a small village, just as he told the Quizzie (he isn't know to outright lie unless he's really stuck, and he pretty much volonteer the information on his youth). He was a solitary youth with the powers of a dreamer (thus is exploring of the Fade). What if he was found there, by Mythal and taken in by her? Could he have been a slave himself at some point? Could it be why he finds the vallasin so distasteful? In any case, Mythal gives him an orb that allows him to access some of her power and he perhaps serves as her guardian wolf, Emeral Knight-style. Or maybe he become, a bit like Ghil, a new addition to the pantheon (if that is the case, I like to believe it was by his own power and smarts. Imagine how prideful that would make him!)

 

After Mythal is betrayed and kill, he does the only thing he thinks is right and organize an uprising against the gods. Maybe the taint has addled them by that point and he sees no other solution than to emprison them behind an eluvian. But, just like Thelm in Liza's theory of Tyrdda's story, it takes all his energy and he lapses in uthenera until he wakes again to see the consequence of his acts.

 

The interesting thing with that theory is that, if it's true, it brings some new meaning to the reveal at the end. The orb is broken, so he can't access Mythal's power through it anymore. But Mythal gift it the biggest part of it, leaving only her godhood for Morrigan (when I watch it, I always feel like Mythal is the one to initiate the transfer. After all, by that point, she's much more powerful than he is). Does that make Solas, from now on, a god? Or at least makes him as powerful as one, in a way that he never was before (with the orb, most of his power was separate from him, and easy to steal, if Corypheus is anything to go by). Now, they an integral part of him. 

 

We might be completely in the left field here, but I thought it was an interesting theory. Thanks to everyone who was in chat yesterday bouncing ideas with me!

 

I think all the gods are just mages.  Very, very powerful mages but mages all the same.  People hear the word 'god' and assume they'll be the 'create the universe, be all powerful' kind of deal but in Dragon Age there's a lot of evidence that the 'gods' are mages.  I'm of the 'Andraste was a mage, the Maker was a spirit' school, too.

[Moondreamer01]

I see what you mean. Though someone mentioned before that he looked rather surprised when he found out Mythal was still around. It is odd though that his orb is called hers in the files.

I'Ll admit the theory is mostly based on that single information, and not much else. Well, that and the fact uthenera made him so weak he couldn't even use the orb. It seems strange when you think Mythal as a wisp was still powerful enough to meld with a human and have the powers Flemythal wields.

[Mims]

I don't personally think the gods are actually gods. At least in the sense that they were birthed through non-traditional means, so there may be some parts of that story that are true. Why would a god need a foci?  

 

As for the orb being tagged as Mythal's, anything is possible. Could also just be art assets sharing names.

 

Or even leftovers from the old expansion idea. Originally, Hawke was going to visit the temple of Mythal. Hawke was also going to be at the conclave. It is possible that the original storyline was something like: 'Hawke enters the temple of Mythal, and uncovers a mysterious orb. He/she brings it with them to the conclave, when Corypheus attacks to gain control over it.' Prompting Fen'Harel to wake up. 

[LliiraAnna]

I think all the gods are just mages.  Very, very powerful mages but mages all the same.  People hear the word 'god' and assume they'll be the 'create the universe, be all powerful' kind of deal but in Dragon Age there's a lot of evidence that the 'gods' are mages.  I'm of the 'Andraste was a mage, the Maker was a spirit' school, too.

The only thing that prevents me from accepting this is the fact that every elf had magic. So there should have been something that set the "gods" apart from "normal" mages. As for what it was... I'm open to suggestions.

[Avejajed]

So.....about the Black City.

 

I was thinking about how maybe...maybe the Black City isn't in the fade at all, but somewhere..beyond it. 

Or maybe it is in the fade and since it's shaped by will anyway, the Black City was only corrupted because the magisters created it with their own expectations.

Or....the black city was always black- maybe some sort of ancient evil (the 8th unknown Old god???) and it only appeared golden, when in truth entering the city at all is what tainted the magisters......need to think more. Be back later with theory.

[Moondreamer01]

I think all the gods are just mages.  Very, very powerful mages but mages all the same.  People hear the word 'god' and assume they'll be the 'create the universe, be all powerful' kind of deal but in Dragon Age there's a lot of evidence that the 'gods' are mages.  I'm of the 'Andraste was a mage, the Maker was a spirit' school, too.

I thought that for the longest time, but one thing solas tells the Quizzie makes me think it might be slightly more complicated than that. He says something to the effect of gods being 2maybe spirits, maybe powerful mages, or maybe something else that no one has seen before." If that's the truth (and as I said, he's not known for lying, just edging around the truth most of the time, or omitting things) what could they be? Until now we've seen : darkspawn (corypheus), archdemons, powerful mages, abominations, spirits made flesh (Cole). They haven't met a somniari (although someone with half a brain would I think know Solas is one, as he dreams with the Quizzie in the fade), but we know at least one other exist. So... if none of those things, what are they?

 

Edit : TOP Solas! Hmmm... let me see (Spoiler for size)

 

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Source : http://dramakellama.tumblr.com/

 

[NightSymphony]

Catching up real quick since I'm at work (lunch break).

Liz, I know I'm going to love whatever you wrote. I don't have time to read everything right now, but I'm looking forward to have my mind blown. Hope you collect everything in a huge post!

Some of the headcanons I read made me drown in feels. Gah. So good. I'm probably stealing some lol. 

 

 

 

Abelas.  Oh how I wish he was in the next game... 

did you get some sleep? 

A little...thank you for asking.

[Illyria]

The only thing that prevents me from believing this is the fact that every elf had magic. So there should have been something that set the "gods" apart from "normal" mages. As for what it was... I'm open to suggestions.

 

Just think of how powerful Solas must be at full power, then!

[Moondreamer01]

So.....about the Black City.

 

I was thinking about how maybe...maybe the Black City isn't in the fade at all, but somewhere..beyond it. 

Or maybe it is in the fade and since it's shaped by will anyway, the Black City was only corrupted because the magisters created it with their own expectations.

Or....the black city was always black- maybe some sort of ancient evil (the 8th unknown Old god???) and it only appeared golden, when in truth entering the city at all is what tainted the magisters......need to think more. Be back later with theory.

Solas' fresco about the fade would lend credence to the Black city behind beyond the fade actually. It's all concentric circles with the Black city in the middle. There seems to be a wall of sort, though, between outer ring and the inner two ones, almost like... a second veil?

 

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[Mims]

The only thing that prevents me from believing this is the fact that every elf had magic. So there should have been something that set the "gods" apart from "normal" mages. As for what it was... I'm open to suggestions.

 

We know that every elf had magic at the time of Arlathan. My personal theory is that the elven gods were perhaps the first mages of the world. They used their abilities to forge and shape an empire, and were rewarded for their efforts by worship. [Which it is very possible they themselves encouraged.] By the time there's order to prehistoric Arlathan, magic has become widespread either because:

 

- The elven gods progeny now dominate the bloodlines of Arlathan

- The elven gods instructed the people in magic

- All elves were always capable of using magic, but controlled practice was not known until civilization came into order. 

[CapricornSun]

I don't personally think the gods are actually gods. At least in the sense that they were birthed through non-traditional means, so there may be some parts of that story that are true. Why would a god need a foci?  

 

As for the orb being tagged as Mythal's, anything is possible. Could also just be art assets sharing names.

 

Or even leftovers from the old expansion idea. Originally, Hawke was going to visit the temple of Mythal. Hawke was also going to be at the conclave. It is possible that the original storyline was something like: 'Hawke enters the temple of Mythal, and uncovers a mysterious orb. He/she brings it with them to the conclave, when Corypheus attacks to gain control over it.' Prompting Fen'Harel to wake up. 

 

Wow, if they went with that story, then Hawke really is a walking disaster. Bad luck just seems to follow him/her wherever he/she goes. 

[RebbyWriter]

Ashe/LadyInsanity was asked a question on her Tumblr

 

What was it like romancing Solas for the first time?

 

Hope. Happiness. Laughter. Two minds bending at the same angles towards the same knowledge. A place to call home.

Despair. Twisted, unreachable feeling right below the nothing. He says I’m free. What does it mean, if not by his side? Spit on the ground. Everything tastes grey.

 

 

http://ladyinsanity....s-for-the-first

[Colonelkillabee]

I'Ll admit the theory is mostly based on that single information, and not much else. Well, that and the fact uthenera made him so weak he couldn't even use the orb. It seems strange when you think Mythal as a wisp was still powerful enough to meld with a human and have the powers Flemythal wields.

Lol sometimes people don't even have that, so no worries. It's not a bad theory or anything like that.

 

To people saying they think the gods were just mages, I don't buy that personally for this exact reason.^ What Flemeth can do... that goes beyond simple magic I think, no matter how powerful.

 

And Solas mentions he doesn't think any mage could have such power, in relation to you closing the rifts. Now, he was in acting mode of course, but I don't think Solas has ever truly lied to us, beyond saying "I saw it in the fade!" He sucks at lying. I think they were "something else" like he said, but the term god is subjective anyway, so it still might apply, depending how flexible you're willing to be on the matter.

[Mims]

Wow, if they went with that story, then Hawke really is a walking disaster. Bad luck just seems to follow him/her wherever he/she goes. 

 

Hawke is the destroyer of worlds! I'm speculating about the part with the orb, but we do know apparently he was going to be at the temple, and that it would be 'brutal for the characters'. 

[NightSymphony]

Ashe/LadyInsanity was asked a question on her Tumblr

 

 

http://ladyinsanity....s-for-the-first

Wow...I'm still out of likes from yesterday.  She sums it up pretty well!

[Illyria]

Hawke is the destroyer of worlds! I'm speculating about the part with the orb, but we do know apparently he was going to be at the temple, and that it would be 'brutal for the characters'. 

 

If Hawke and Solas had a child then the world would end.

[Mims]

As for the gods being capable of magic that other mages are not: they have had thousands upon thousands of years to hone their skills. Most average mages on Thedas get a hundred years. For most magicians, they have only that small amount of time and they are further hampered by the control of their various circles. 

 

Then we have Ghilan'nain- who petitioned to become a god when her magic was comparable to theirs. So there were elves in Arlathan who eventually did catch up to the elven gods in terms of abilities. 

 

Just my theory though!