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Questions though.
1) Are the blue veins magic or lyrium?
2) Why a pyramid, with the fade on top and the void at the bottom?
Veins are lyrium and magic, because to me it's the same thing. lol.
Pyramid because I liked it and that's how I see it in my head. It's not supposed to be super literal lol.
To me the void is opposite the fade and makes more sense if the archdemons were trapped in the void. 
Tyrdda Bright-Axe Analysis
Stanza Seven: The Departure of Her Lover. Complete stanza below behind spoiler.
*snip for length*One day child of Tyrdda's blood, Morrighan'nan, in strength must shine.
- What's that? Morrighan'nan? That sounds.. suspiciously like Morrigan.
- What do we know about Morrigan? She is the child of Flemeth, the Witch of the Wilds. Who may very well be the descendant of Andraste. An Alamarri woman who was married and had two daughters with .. an Avvar leader and tribesman, Maferath. Sounds like Morrigan is this child of Tyrdda's blood that in strength must shine!
- But what do we know about Flemeth? That she's the vessel of Mythal and her training/ cultivation of Morrigan and the passing of her godhood onto her is of UPMOST importance.
- So, if Morrigan is of the blood of Tyrdda, the daughter of Flemythal to whom Flemythal means to leave her godhood, and the Lady of the Skies is Mythal - she most certainly is the culmination of these two lovers, bound in blood in a way only time, descendents, and old god souls could make possible. She, like Aval'var, is the direct result of these two women's journeys - alone AND together.
Lover's whispers to obey,Hendir, dwarf-prince, friend in passion,Babe produced to serve the line,The Avvar tribe, her name, our taking.
- Tyrdda obeys the last whispers of her lover, beds the dwarven prince Hendir, produces an heir and names it Aval'var as directed. The Avvar tribe is named in remembrance of this child Aval'var.
- Likewise, Aval'var is half-dwarven, not full-blooded human. By bedding Hendir, the dwarven prince, Tyrdda solidifies the alliance between the dwarves and her tribe. They cannot turn on one another without destroying the parent of their heir. A very smart political move.
WAIIIIIT I REALIZED A MISTAKE ABOUT MORRIGHAN'NAN. SHE WAS A REAL PERSON. LET ME EDIT THIS TO FIX THAT NEW KNOWLEDGE. DO NOT SHARE YET.
Could this be the same Morrighan'nan that the first Ash Warrior betrayed his dwarven wife for? Errm... give me a second to find the codex...
Edit: http://dragonage.wik...uthias_Dwarfson
I don't think they have the exact same goal either. I think it's more that what he's doing will also result in what she wants in some way. And between the two of them, I'm a little more concerned with Solas' plans than Mythal's.
Reading back through yesterday's comments as I didn't get a chance to check the forum yesterday, but I also think this, that Mythal sees whatever Solas has planned as a stepping stone to achieving her own agenda, though whether Solas realizes that or not, I'm not sure. I'd say he probably at least has an inkling. I'm also more concerned with Solas' plans because we know next to nothing about them except that he wants to help the elves somehow (and it seems to me more like he's thinking of the ancient elves than the modern ones). With Mythal, we know that her ultimate goal is vengeance, retribution for those that betrayed her and the world, and even though it's not clear how she plans to accomplish that, it's a pretty easily understood goal. With Solas, we only have speculation based on things he said throughout the game as he never outright states what his end goal is. Granted, helping the elves and getting revenge are both rather vague goals in the sense that there's any number of ways those could be carried out and in what they could mean for the rest of Thedas.
I'm still, euh.... few pages behind this thread since yesterday and told this already, but... whetever, I will repeat.
I think DA lore is definately going into the godhood direction. The question is: Quizzie only, someone new, or also maybe our Warden and Hawke too? They're all special in some way
But isn't that the question - what is a god? Anyone with enough power, charisma, followers can run around announcing they're a god. Some people may believe them. Look at Corypheus. You play the entire game saying he's not but people really did believe he was. Look at the Inquisitor. The "Blessed Herald of Andraste". I spent the entire game playing "Life of Brian" because I knew I wasn't. I was just a person who was in the right place at the wrong time. But people still believed I was their freaking Messiah. The Warden's story is legendary. In time their feats will become even more ludicrous as history forgets the truth. Same thing with the Champion. People already probably view them as demigods.
That's also the whole point of faith. Or at least what the game tries to teach you. If you believe in something hard enough, is it true? Does it matter? In the end all that matters are the actions and choices you make as a person.
Tyrdda Bright-Axe Analysis
Stanza Seven: The Departure of Her Lover. Complete stanza below behind spoiler.
Wait wait, how can Morrigan be a descendant if Morrighan'nan's child was slain?
Veins are lyrium and magic, because to me it's the same thing. lol.
Pyramid because I liked it and that's how I see it in my head. It's not supposed to be super literal lol.
To me the void is opposite the fade and makes more sense if the archdemons were trapped in the void.
Yep, I'm probably reading too much into everything right now 
That's Morrighan'nan's one-night stand child with Luthias. I see no reason for her to have not bedded other men during that time. If not, they're still relate to one another through the Avvar line.
Oh right. Ok, carry on
Wait wait, how can Morrigan be a descendant if Morrighan'nan's child was slain?
The child slain is a boy... I wonder at that too. Maybe the only having daughters thing comes later? I think we need our resident timeline dude (Caddius, you around?) to throw some light on this... the events of the poem, Flemeth's betrayal by Connobar, and Luthias Dwarfson...
So could Morrighan'nan (later, Morrigan as 'modernized' version) -> Flemeth be a naming convention, then? Morrigan is the daughter, and takes on the name 'Flemeth' when the mother passes on her godhood (and with it, presumably, the memories of all those lifetimes, including Mythal's) and with it her purpose.
Also, did you guys know you can talk to Flemeth after her cutscene in Origins before leaving the camp with Morrigan? I never tried clicking on her until my last playthrough. an interesting quote: "In the dark shadows before you take vengeance, as my mother once said, duty must come now."
But isn't that the question - what is a god? Anyone with enough power, charisma, followers can run around announcing they're a god. Some people may believe them. Look at Corypheus. You play the entire game saying he's not but people really did believe he was. Look at the Inquisitor. The "Blessed Herald of Andraste". I spent the entire game playing "Life of Brian" because I knew I wasn't. I was just a person who was in the right place at the wrong time. But people still believed I was their freaking Messiah. The Warden's story is legendary. In time their feats will become even more ludicrous as history forgets the truth. Same thing with the Champion. People already probably view them as demigods.
That's also the whole point of faith. Or at least what the game tries to teach you. If you believe in something hard enough, is it true? Does it matter? In the end all that matters are the actions and choices you make as a person.
So, your experience was pretty much this:
More seriously, the other BioWare game with more overt themes of godhood and power was the classic Baldur's Gate series, still my favorite games of all time. Inquisition reminds me very strongly of a quote about Sarevok, the PC's enemy in the first game who seeks godhood:
"If you have the arrogance of a god and can kill like a god, who's to say you are not a god?"
This could apply to any of people who have been called gods in the setting: Solas, the elven pantheon at large, the Maker, Andraste, even the Inquisitor. There's nothing specific that makes you a god in the DA setting, no obvious litmus test for divinity. Godhood is a construct, a belief that other people hang on you. It might be a product of unique circumstances (the Anchor in quizzy's case), but like you said, it's still a matter of faith.
EDIT: Which is why I adore the "I don't believe in gods" line that quizzy can toss at Corypheus. Quizzy takes the whole idea that gods are somehow special and separate, and launches a cannonball right through it. No, Cornflakes, you are not a special snowflake, and neither am I. You're just an a**hat, and I'm just the one who's going to shoot this arrow into your face.
The child slain is a boy... I wonder at that too. Maybe the only having daughters thing comes later? I think we need our resident timeline dude (Caddius, you around?) to throw some light on this... the events of the poem, Flemeth's betrayal by Connobar, and Luthias Dwarfson...
So could Morrighan'nan (later, Morrigan as 'modernized' version) -> Flemeth be a naming convention, then? Morrigan is the daughter, and takes on the name 'Flemeth' when the mother passes on her godhood (and with it, presumably, the memories of all those lifetimes, including Mythal's) and with it her purpose.
Also, did you guys know you can talk to Flemeth after her cutscene in Origins before leaving the camp with Morrigan? I never tried clicking on her until my last playthrough. an interesting quote: "In the dark shadows before you take vengeance, as my mother once said, duty must come now."
Maybe... there were twins? A boy that was slain and a girl who lived on?
LMAO, I don't even know. It is weird there's a son when apparently Andraste's line only produces daughters.
Edit: OR maybe the kid wasn't actually his son. Morrighan'nan just declared he was because it made her enemy lose morale?
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In somewhat related topics - I had SERIOUS second hand embarassment for EVERYONE involved in that scene. I was like "STAHP SINGING. PLEASE." I wanted to run away in shame...for them. It was too much.
In somewhat related topics - I had SERIOUS second hand embarassment for EVERYONE involved in that scene. I was like "STAHP SINGING. PLEASE." I wanted to run away in shame...for them. It was too much.
As a player, I thought it was sweet and moving. As a character, my Lavellan pretty much wanted to evaporate and almost glomped Solas when he rescued her from the weird singing humans.
Adaar was more like, "Wait, all these people are cool with me? They like me? AWESOME."
But wouldn't that run counter to Solas's respect for free will (I mean compelling Cole to erase his own memory)?
Now, tricking Cole into erasing his own memory might be another matter...
I never actually thought he erased Cole's memory of him, like I don't think Cole forgot about Solas. I think what he got Cole to forget were his future plans that Cole was seeing as Solas knew that Cole couldn't help and didn't want to burden him with them or want him to try and seek him out.
In somewhat related topics - I had SERIOUS second hand embarassment for EVERYONE involved in that scene. I was like "STAHP SINGING. PLEASE." I wanted to run away in shame...for them. It was too much.
Yep. It didn't help that my outdated computer has slow graphics, so the audio's always done way before the cutscene ends. *sigh*
As a player, I thought it was sweet and moving. As a character, my Lavellan pretty much wanted to evaporate and almost glomped Solas when he rescued her from the weird singing humans.
I have a thing about singing in public. Mostly it's - don't do it. Not like going to a concert - mostly the 'hey let me pull out my guitar and start singing for you m'lady'. College ruined me forever. Wonderwall ruined me forever. So this was just too much. When my Lavellan walked over to Solas she was all like 'Hot dam these people are ****** nuts'
Maybe... there were twins? A boy that was slain and a girl who lived on?
LMAO, I don't even know. It is weird there's a son when apparently Andraste's line only produces daughters.
Or it could just be that the Morrigans could (and did) have other children. OUR Morrigan gives birth to Kieran after all. It could be that only a Flemeth (a Morrigan after she's been gifted with Mythal's spirit) can have a baby-next-Morrigan... (Man, these speculations are going to get real confusing, real fast.)
Ah! Andraste was born in -203 Ancient and the legend of Luthias Dwarfson was recorded in circa -350 Ancient.
Morrighan'nan PRE-DATES Andraste.
No but, if daughter-rearing is part of their genetics, then it should have stayed consistent throughout the bloodline. Or did some recessive son-rearing gene set in?
Or it could just be that the Morrigans could (and did) have other children. OUR Morrigan gives birth to Kieran after all. It could be that only a Flemeth (a Morrigan after she's been gifted with Mythal's spirit) can have a baby-next-Morrigan... (Man, these speculations are going to get real confusing, real fast.)
Yeah, I should probably hold off on Morrighan'nan for now. Don't know enough about her to come to any conclusion (like that's stopped me much, but well, this case yes)
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