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I think Falon'Din is the more likely suspect.

1) He's a jerk.
2) Solas only woke up 5 or so years ago (assuming he woke at the same time as Legacy)
3) Whoever Felassan worked for needed an agent to do their work. So they're trapped. And they need the eluvian network active. So they're trapped in the network.
4) He's a massive jerk.


So let me get this straight.... Falon'Din is a jerk?
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Really?

Huh. It's a wonderful burn either way, but most of the translations I've seen go with the 'Fear me, child,'. But the polite snark might work even better.

 

Unless I really misheard he says 'Ma nuvenin, da'len.'  I could be wrong, though.  I prefer him going for the polite snark rather than the threat.



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So let me get this straight.... Falon'Din is a jerk?

I think it may be a little unfair to judge him for-

http://dragonage.wik...ng_to_Falon'Din

...okay. He's either a jerk, or he's Dark Sorcerer Batman.


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So let me get this straight.... Falon'Din is a jerk?

 

Was I being too subtle?  I'll be sure to say it more times next time!



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I work at a newspaper and is it weird to say the ink smell turns me on? Ink and paper, no wonder lavellan kept walking through Solas study

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Was I being too subtle? I'll be sure to say it more times next time!


I just wanted to be sure. ;)
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So let me get this straight.... Falon'Din is a jerk?

The whole darn pantheon seems like a super fun bunch. You have Ghilan'nain the mad scientist, Andruil who hunts other elves, Falon'din who starts wars to feed his e-peen, ect.


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Was I being too subtle?  I'll be sure to say it more times next time!

Are you... are you sure? I think I read that he was pretty and that we needed to compliment him, or else we'd die horribly. That's what I got out of it.



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So much this. Down the line, people are going to reinvent Lavellan. They may even whittle down her ears and make her human like they did with Shartan. But she knows she's not divine, and her closest companions know it too. It's like with Cassnadra - people see her a legend, and her story has taken on a life of it's own when there is so much more to it. People forget it, romanticize, change it to suit their needs and comforts. They'll do the same with Lavellan, and my girl hates it.

 

 

I honestly would not be surprised if that is the truth. I don't think Solas cares so long as he can solve whatever he feels like he needs to solve; or, he has a plan of his own. 

 

****, the pantheon was one fucked up mess or manipulation and revenge. No wonder Solas has trouble trusting anyone - his friends betrayed him, and he betrayed them. Now, the only friend he has left from that time may be using him for her own ends.

 

And Lavellan...the only person he really can trust...he leaves.

 

**** me.

Yep. It's quite apparent in certain dialogues with Solas that he has a difficult time trusting people and that he has also been betrayed in the past by those he did trust. I'd really like to know what kind of betrayal he experienced that it had such a profound effect on him, and I hope that is something we can find out one day. I think it's very telling that he wanted to trust Lavellan and was completely ready to lay it all out for her but then got cold feet at the last minute. The fact that he even considered telling Lavellan everything shows how deeply he had come to care....but, yeah, he still left. In the end, he still couldn't bring himself to actually explain what was going to the one person he trusted most even though he wanted to; as much as I don't want to say it, I feel that his self-imposed isolation will hurt him in the end more than it will benefit him.


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I think Falon'Din is the more likely suspect.

 

1) He's a jerk.

2) Solas only woke up 5 or so years ago (assuming he woke at the same time as Legacy)

3) Whoever Felassan worked for needed an agent to do their work.  So they're trapped.  And they need the eluvian network active.  So they're trapped in the network.

4) He's a massive jerk.

 

1.) Perhaps.  All the gods seemed a bit jerkish, but to tell the truth, and after the Fen'Harel business, I'm kinda reserving my overall judgment on them until we know more.  And as much as I love Solas, it's occurred to me that his own perspective might be colored by his own biases.  I'm not saying the elven gods were roses and sunshine (far from it), but I'm a lot more wary about deciding who they are without knowing all the details.

 

2.) We don't actually know when Solas woke up.  We assume things, but we don't know.  And Felassan was contacting whoever he was working for through the Fade.  Solas could have still been in uthenera while orchestrating these things. 

 

3.) Solas is trying to free whatever (elven gods or ancient elves) from behind an eluvian.  So gaining full access to the network would be in his interests.  Solas dislikes the Dalish and he dislikes having to directly lie, so he may have found it easier to have Felassan work with them.  "Felassan" also happens to mean "Slow Arrow", which is the weapon used by Fen'Harel in the story he tells.  I've also wondered if they knew that some sort of sacrifice would be needed in the bargain for the keystone...  It may not have been an accident that the most jerkish Dalish clan in Thedas was targeted. 

 

4.)Generally, the evidence points toward Felassan's killer being Fen'Harel.  There's no evidence for Falon'Din or anyone else, so I can't really believe those theories until we have more to support them.



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Are you... are you sure? I think I read that he was pretty and that we needed to compliment him, or else we'd die horribly. That's what I got out of it.

 

Why would you say that?  That's ridiculous.  Just as ridiculous as anyone who says I'm an indoctrinated sleeper agent for Falon'Din placing subliminal messages in every post I write!

 

Praise Falon'Din!


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Unless I really misheard he says 'Ma nuvenin, da'len.'  I could be wrong, though.  I prefer him going for the polite snark rather than the threat.

^This is what I heard as well during that mission, which is more akin to "As you wish, child," I think.



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I want Falon'Din and Dirthamen to be awesome even if they are jerks. I want to wish I didn't hate them. Have high expectations for them right now.
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The whole darn pantheon seems like a super fun bunch. You have Ghilan'nain the mad scientist, Andruil who hunts other elves, Falon'din who starts wars to feed his e-peen, ect.

 

 

Fen'Harel: Everyone in this pantheon is awful. Andruil hunts elves, Falon'Din keeps making blood sacrifices to himself, Dirthamen is cool with this, I'm pretty sure Ghilan'nain made halla out of elf souls, Syalise keeps burning **** down, and Elgar'nan's temper tantrums have gone too far. Also I'm pretty sure one of you killed Mythal. I'm locking you up. 

June: But I didn't do anything-

Fen'Harel: /doorslam

June: no one ever notices me


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Why would you say that?  That's ridiculous.  Just as ridiculous as anyone who says I'm an indoctrinated sleeper agent for Falon'Din placing subliminal messages in every post I write!

 

Praise Falon'Din!

 

I just had the sudden urge to throw myself onto a pyre as a sacrifice to an ancient not-real elvhen god.  This place is getting weirder by the minute... 


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1.) Perhaps.  All the gods seemed a bit jerkish, but to tell the truth, and after the Fen'Harel business, I'm kinda reserving my overall judgment on them until we know more.  And as much as I love Solas, it's occurred to me that his own perspective might be colored by his own biases.  I'm not saying the elven gods were roses and sunshine (far from it), but I'm a lot more wary about deciding who they are without knowing all the details.

 

2.) We don't actually know when Solas woke up.  We assume things, but we don't know.  And Felassan was contacting whoever he was working for through the Fade.  Solas could have still been in uthenera while orchestrating these things. 

 

3.) Solas is trying to free whatever (elven gods or ancient elves) from behind an eluvian.  So gaining full access to the network would be in his interests.  Solas dislikes the Dalish and he dislikes having to directly lie, so he may have found it easier to have Felassan work with them.  "Felassan" also happens to mean "Slow Arrow", which is the weapon used by Fen'Harel in the story he tells.  I've also wondered if they knew that some sort of sacrifice would be needed in the bargain for the keystone...  It may not have been an accident that the most jerkish Dalish clan in Thedas was targeted. 

 

4.)Generally, the evidence points toward Felassan's killer being Fen'Harel.  There's no evidence for Falon'Din or anyone else, so I can't really believe those theories until we have more to support them.

Do we actually have evidence that he's trying to free the Creators?

I mean, we get dialogue with Cole that basically points to him trapping them beyond eluvians, and feeling guilty but justified about it.

But I just don't believe that Solas thinks the solution is to release the other gods. Especially if they were blighted. I just don't see Solas being Felassan's killer making any sense. :( (That is not to say I don't think Solas is that ruthless, it's just the wrong kind of ruthless for him. :P ) And Felassan refers to his 'clan' as being dangerous, and doesn't seem fond of them. Solas makes constant references to having been alone for a long time. My two cents is that Felassan was part of Falon'Din/Dirthamen's Sentinels, trying to break out their god on his orders.

We have the whispers written in red lyrium which point to some kind of dreaming force having woken up again, and are trying to get out.

We have Felassan's talk of his clan.

We have Dirthamen's presence in Tyrrda Bright-Axe as a power-mongering Creator apparently opposed to Mythal and willing to attack Arlathan itself.

We have the statues of Dirthamen in the Fade where he's stuck with a sword and bleeding.

*shrug* I feel like Inquisition and The Masked Empire have been setting us up for Dirthamen/Falon'Din as an antagonist. And if the Elf God=Old God theories hold any weight, the two Archdemons left are the twin-souled Creators.


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This thread is perfect right now.

Also spaghetti or Greek pitas for dinner, you guys choose.

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if he was real, there could only be one Lavellan and that won't be you because you're a filthy human.

Also you would be dead because a rift opened up in your backyard.

 

I think I might actually survive, but only because one of my neighbors is a doomsday prepper and has 50 bazillion guns. 

 

Edit: and a garage full of canned goods. 

 

Double Edit: 'Murica.

So that means take out the neighbor before you? why thank you for that lil tip :ph34r:


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I work at a newspaper and is it weird to say the ink smell turns me on? Ink and paper, no wonder lavellan kept walking through Solas study

 

I go into bookstores just to smell the books. Best. Smell. Ever.

 

Yep. It's quite apparent in certain dialogues with Solas that he has a difficult time trusting people and that he has also been betrayed in the past by those he did trust. I'd really like to know what kind of betrayal he experienced that it had such a profound effect on him, and I hope that is something we can find out one day. I think it's very telling that he wanted to trust Lavellan and was completely ready to lay it all out for her but then got cold feet at the last minute. The fact that he even considered telling Lavellan everything shows how deeply he had come to care....but, yeah, he still left. In the end, he still couldn't bring himself to actually explain what was going to the one person he trusted most even though he wanted to; as much as I don't want to say it, I feel that his self-imposed isolation will hurt him in the end more than it will benefit him.

 

I shall quote tumblr:

 

Solavellan Fandom

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Solas: I now must walk in solitude forever. My fate is mine alone.

Solavellan fandom: Nope. No. We’ll be there in ten minutes to pick you up and take you home. There’s hot chocolate and blankets and a very anxious Lavellan waiting at Skyhold to cuddle and love you, you bald egg headed elf demi-god bastard. There will be no break ups in this fandom even if we have to get the duct tape out.

We take our fandom very seriously.


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This thread is perfect right now.

Also spaghetti or Greek pitas for dinner, you guys choose.

 

Greek pitas, for two, I'll be over in a couple hours.  Prepare your body for me.


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This thread is perfect right now.

Also spaghetti or Greek pitas for dinner, you guys choose.

Greek pitas. Never had them. Have them for me  ^_^


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This thread is perfect right now.

Also spaghetti or Greek pitas for dinner, you guys choose.

Both!



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This thread is perfect right now.

Also spaghetti or Greek pitas for dinner, you guys choose.

 

Spaghetti



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2.) We don't actually know when Solas woke up.  We assume things, but we don't know.  And Felassan was contacting whoever he was working for through the Fade.  Solas could have still been in uthenera while orchestrating these things. 

 

 

This. I know a lot of people assume Solas has only been awake for a few years, but I think it has to be a bit longer than that. He understands way too much about the current world to only have been awake a short time.

 

As to weather Solas killed Felassan I'm kinda 50/50 on that. It seems a very un-Solas like reaction tbh, to off someone just because he didn't get what he wants? However there are quite a few Fen'Harel mentions in that book. Of course, if Felassan revers Fen'Harel as much as he seems to I'm surprised he seems so afraid of whoever kills him.

 

Another thing to consider is Felassan seems convinced he can avoid whoever kills him if he avoids the fade (I re-read the passage earlier) and that wouldn't be the case with Solas, Solas wouldn't need the Fade to reach Felassan. So it seems whoever he is afraid of is stuck in the fade. Which makes me wonder if we have another big-bad coming our way, remember at the beginning of Witch Hunt there was something trying to get out of the Fade in the Fereldan Circle tower that freaks out that prophecy statue? I'm wondering if that and the thing that killed Felassan are the same being and that's our next big-bad?


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