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Do we actually have evidence that he's trying to free the Creators?

I mean, we get dialogue with Cole that basically points to him trapping them beyond eluvians, and feeling guilty but justified about it.

But I just don't believe that Solas thinks the solution is to release the other gods. Especially if they were blighted. I just don't see Solas being Felassan's killer making any sense. :( (That is not to say I don't think Solas is that ruthless, it's just the wrong kind of ruthless for him. :P ) And Felassan refers to his 'clan' as being dangerous, and doesn't seem fond of them. Solas makes constant references to having been alone for a long time. My two cents is that Felassan was part of Falon'Din/Dirthamen's Sentinels, trying to break out their god on his orders.

We have the whispers written in red lyrium which point to some kind of dreaming force having woken up again, and are trying to get out.

We have Felassan's talk of his clan.

We have Dirthamen's presence in Tyrrda Bright-Axe as a power-mongering Creator apparently opposed to Mythal and willing to attack Arlathan itself.

We have the statues of Dirthamen in the Fade where he's stuck with a sword and bleeding.

*shrug* I feel like Inquisition and The Masked Empire have been setting us up for Dirthamen/Falon'Din as an antagonist. And if the Elf God=Old God theories hold any weight, the two Archdemons left are the twin-souled Creators.

 

No idea, that's why I said "free whatever". :P   He's after something behind a mirror.  I have a feeling he is after freeing the elven gods, but it might not be as simple as just letting them out to have free reign.  Maybe Mythal is onboard with this plan because Solas will have to essentially kill or absorb them to achieve his real goals.  Or maybe he actually is after some lost colony trapped in a pocket world.  The only thing I feel sure about is that Solas is trying to unlock some specific eluvian/s.

 

I think Solas is ruthless enough to kill anyone who gets in his way...  I'm not willing to let my own biases color what he's capable of doing.  So yes, Felassan's "clan" is dangerous to Briala and anyone who might potentially alert the world to what they're trying to do.  Solas certainly has little hints that his plans will be at least chaotic, not only to humans, but to modern elves.  I also suspect any Dalish or modern elves might not be welcome to whatever crowd Solas may have waiting in the wings.  I suspect Felassan wasn't the only one working with Solas.  Like he tells Abelas, there are other "elvhen" like himself out there...

 

I tend to think the whispers in red lyrium are the Old Gods, especially since that Fade related to the events surrounding Corypheus.  And I'm still leaning towards the Old Gods being the Forgotten Ones.  They did find the dreams again, and led the magisters into the Black City.

 

I feel that Dirthamen is important somehow, but we only have very reaching conjecture where theories about him are concerned.  Actually, I think Dirthamen might be dead.  Flemythal has an image of her mortally wounded son towering over a scene where she's meeting her grandson...if the Fade reflects feelings and thoughts, I get more a sense of regret and sadness resonating there than anything else.  Flemeth knows she's never going to see her children again.  But if Dirthamen has returned similar to Flemythal, there's no sign of it that I see.

 

But generally, yeah, I know I have unpopular opinions where Solas and Felassan's fate are concerned.


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Yeah, I thought of this too, but I mean he learned the language, knows about the Qun, is familiar with the current politics. Just seems like a lot to get from memories in the Fade, though I'm sure it's possible.


I think he just...relates to time in a different way...when you have so much of it. Could be a little of both.

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Stereotypes of Canada; not gunna lie they are approx. 99% true...


I love Canada. They make good things like Timbits.

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Doesnt Solas say that what he sees in the Fade isnt wicked reliable?

 

Yes, but I also recall him saying that about history books. :P

 

 

I think he just...relates to time in a different way...when you have so much of it. Could be a little of both.

 

That's possible too.



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I love Canada. They make good things like Timbits.

How could you forget beer!? :blink:


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I love Canada. They make good things like Timbits.

Ironic I used to work at Tims. They were the best part of my day. Its slave labor at best...

 

I feel like I should be a contributing member of this forum...have some more Solas!

 

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Another thing to consider is Felassan seems convinced he can avoid whoever kills him if he avoids the fade (I re-read the passage earlier) and that wouldn't be the case with Solas, Solas wouldn't need the Fade to reach Felassan. So it seems whoever he is afraid of is stuck in the fade. Which makes me wonder if we have another big-bad coming our way, remember at the beginning of Witch Hunt there was something trying to get out of the Fade in the Fereldan Circle tower that freaks out that prophecy statue? I'm wondering if that and the thing that killed Felassan are the same being and that's our next big-bad?

 

I dunno if it was just the Fade.  In his thoughts before the end, Felassan considers that he would have to run and hide, looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.  That suggested to me that there was literally nowhere he could be safe again, even outside of dreams.



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Yes! <3 I really enjoy how the pinnacle of civilization is often depicted as Greece-inspired. I loved the Asari, and wish we could have seen more of their worlds. And the Asari's "song" and dominant-racial-babymaking-gene are something to think about. 

 

I'm not sure how I feel about the connections between games though. On the one hand, Mass Effect and Dragon Age potential crossovers is exciting. On the other hand, I get super frustrated when the origins of a world are explained as either 1> created by a creator, or 2> advanced alien "uplifting". Both are not origins! They just raise more questions! 

 

I have also been fighting for a while against the familiar idea that the Fade in Dragon Age is actually a virtual network, which everybody "plugs into" (i.e., following a scenario where Shepard chose the "green" option and everybody in Dragon Age is part biological, part machine. Not that the two are so different). I really hope this is not the case! 

 
 

 

There is a lot open to interpretation, agreed. I gathered Ghilan'nain was just the go-to girl of you need any weird and wonderful powers granted! It just makes me happy to have pieced things together in my head, like a jigsaw  :lol:

All of this.

Add in that the Asari's government is basically Greek city-states that managed to get their act together, complete with an evolution into e-democracy instead of various tyrannies, rule by mob, and kingdoms.

I somehow missed Kappa's showing how the Asari and Elvhen are basically mirrors of each other.  :lol: Damnation.

It seems the Elvhen liked to settle all around the place. Colonize, if you will.

The Greeks spread all over the place, setting up colonies in places as diverse as France, Spain, Sicily, Algeria, Turkey, and the Crimea. Through conquest and colonization, you ended up with Greeks, Indians, and Afghans hanging out in modern-day Afghanistan :lol: , invading India and fighting off steppe nomads. (And, er, dying to steppe nomads.) There are even theories that the kukri knives used by the Gurkhas of Nepal are descended from the blades used by Alexander's armies in their short-lived invasion of India. 


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Solas is invading my other games now.

 

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No idea, that's why I said "free whatever". :P   He's after something behind a mirror.  I have a feeling he is after freeing the elven gods, but it might not be as simple as just letting them out to have free reign.  Maybe Mythal is onboard with this plan because Solas will have to essentially kill or absorb them to achieve his real goals.  Or maybe he actually is after some lost colony trapped in a pocket world.  The only thing I feel sure about is that Solas is trying to unlock some specific eluvian/s.

 

I think Solas is ruthless enough to kill anyone who gets in his way...  I'm not willing to let my own biases color what he's capable of doing.  So yes, Felassan's "clan" is dangerous to Briala and anyone who might potentially alert the world to what they're trying to do.  Solas certainly has little hints that his plans will be at least chaotic, not only to humans, but to modern elves.  I also suspect any Dalish or modern elves might not be welcome to whatever crowd Solas may have waiting in the wings.  I suspect Felassan wasn't the only one working with Solas.  Like he tells Abelas, there are other "elvhen" like himself out there...

 

I tend to think the whispers in red lyrium are the Old Gods, especially since that Fade related to the events surrounding Corypheus.  And I'm still leaning towards the Old Gods being the Forgotten Ones.  They did find the dreams again, and led the magisters into the Black City.

 

I feel that Dirthamen is important somehow, but we only have very reaching conjecture where theories about him are concerned.  Actually, I think Dirthamen might be dead.  Flemythal has an image of her mortally wounded son towering over a scene where she's meeting her grandson...if the Fade reflects feelings and thoughts, I get more a sense of regret and sadness resonating there than anything else.  Flemeth knows she's never going to see her children again.  But if Dirthamen has returned similar to Flemythal, there's no sign of it that I see.

 

But generally, yeah, I know I have unpopular opinions where Solas and Felassan's fate are concerned.

 

4 Forgotten Ones = 4 Forbidden Ones

9 Eleven Panthenon = 7 Deep Road Dragons + Flemeth + Solas

I think they were all Powerful unique spirits, since the Forbidden Ones themselves are spirits and we can never kill them only banish their avatar. 

 

Also as shown towards the end of Here Lies the Abyss, extremely powerful demons like Nightmare cannot be defeated even in the Fade. At max they can be banished from entry into flesh world temporarily.

If we consider the Ancient Elf leaders capable of creating Crossroads and Eluvians, they were probably more powerful than Nightmare.



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I dunno if it was just the Fade.  In his thoughts before the end, Felassan considers that he would have to run and hide, looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.  That suggested to me that there was literally nowhere he could be safe again, even outside of dreams.

 

Yeah, but it goes into great detail of all the things he can do to avoid entering the fade in his sleep in order to avoid who or whatever it was he was avoiding.


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The talk of Ancient Greeks=Ancient Elvhen made me make some comparisons that are probably only hilarious to me.  :lol:

Elvhen subjugation of the Donarks and the strange beasts the natives make use of:

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An example of the division of Elvhen territory according to gods, with the Neromenian tribes on a peninsula to the west.  :P

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SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia....nder_the_Great  :wub:

 

.....

....So Plato was student to Socrates. Aristotle was student to Plato. Aristotle was the first to put their combined philosophies to use - by tutoring the young Alexander, in the hope of raising the first "Philosopher King". Alexander went on to unite all of Greece, and many lands beyond. His empire was strong, wealthy and culturally sensitive. Alexander himself was undefeated in battle, intelligent, and ultimately only defeated by sudden illness, suspected as poison. 

 

He was often referred to as the "Lion of Macedon", and the lion symbol became associated with the concept of Empire for ages to come. 

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I can see Solas running in the forest as a young child with this music in the background:

 

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4 Forgotten Ones = 4 Forbidden Ones

9 Eleven Panthenon = 7 Deep Road Dragons + Flemeth + Solas

I think they were all Powerful unique spirits, since the Forbidden Ones themselves are spirits and we can never kill them only banish their avatar. 

 

Also as shown towards the end of Here Lies the Abyss, extremely powerful demons like Nightmare cannot be defeated even in the Fade. At max they can be banished from entry into flesh world temporarily.

If we consider the Ancient Elf leaders capable of creating Crossroads and Eluvians, they were probably more powerful than Nightmare.

 

The Forbidden Ones are demons, they're a completely different thing from the Forgotten Ones.  We don't know how many Forgotten Ones there actually are, because the Dalish know little to nothing about them.  Based on one of Felassan's stories however, they could go into uthenera like an elf, and were in actual conflict with the Creators.  That makes them appear to be elven, or the same sort of being as the Creators.  The Forbidden Ones are more high-tier demons, but they don't seem to have the same weight behind them that the Forgotten Ones do. 



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The Forbidden Ones are demons, they're a completely different thing from the Forgotten Ones.  We don't know how many Forgotten Ones there actually are, because the Dalish know little to nothing about them.  Based on one of Felassan's stories however, they could go into uthenera like an elf, and were in actual conflict with the Creators.  That makes them appear to be elven, or the same sort of being as the Creators.  The Forbidden Ones are more high-tier demons, but they don't seem to have the same weight behind them that the Forgotten Ones do. 

 

The Forbidden ones ended up being kind of lame. :/ We already killed Xebenkek and Gax'Kang (although Gax was a bit hard) without much fanfare. There were some creepy people/quest bits introducing Hawke and the Warden to them, but any power or influence they had wasn't shown very well.


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The Forbidden ones ended up being kind of lame. :/ We already killed Xebenkek and Gax'Kang (although Gax was a bit hard) without much fanfare. There were some creepy people/quest bits introducing Hawke and the Warden to them, but any power or influence they had wasn't shown very well.

In the books, Imshael came off as impressive.

In the games, yeah, the Forbidden Ones are kind of disappointing...

 

Sister Squish: I like that comparison. Solas in ALL OF the things! :D

My favorite comparison is still the gods fighting each other with increasingly weird tactics and weakening each other until Tevinter rose up and took over it all.

The Successor States to Alexander...were certainly creative.



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So, I got this odd idea in my head. I was listening to the Dr Horrible's sing along blog soundtrack today and I realized something. My Eyes is sort of fitting for DAI where Dr Horrible is Solas and Penny is a Lavellan who is romancing him, where she is singing to/about Solas and not some other guy... he's going "look how shitty this world is" and she's going, "look at my idealism."


Lyrics in the spoiler:
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#64193
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The Forbidden ones ended up being kind of lame. :/ We already killed Xebenkek and Gax'Kang (although Gax was a bit hard) without much fanfare. There were some creepy people/quest bits introducing Hawke and the Warden to them, but any power or influence they had wasn't shown very well.

 

Yeah, they die easily, but at least they were interesting. Well, Gax'Kang and Imshael were, Xebenkek was just kinda "eh".  Y'know...  I always loved that shield Gax'Kang could drop, the one called Fade Wall.  It was perfect for my Arcane Warrior Surana, if only because I really liked that strange wolf on the shield...  OH. :ph34r:


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Listening to the Tavern songs and when "Oh, Grey Warden" comes on...shed a tear or two...

 

I miss my warden </3 He was such a tough city elf. 


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I feel like there has to be something more going on with the demons behind the scenes. Just not sure what it would be. 

 

As far as the Nightmare goes...I'm not sure who would be more powerful. I'm personally siding with Nightmare, given how aloof and uncaring he is about Fen'Harel being in his domain. That might change if Nightmare left the fade, but I doubt he would. Nightmare seems fairly aloof, concerned only with feeding himself on the terrors of others. 



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My spaghetti was pretty awesome.
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This is what the last scene of Romance with Solas felt like it for me...

 

>NSFW<

 

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So I'm trying out this thing that is like livestreaming but it's for pictures!

 

Watch me draw or something. NSFW


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Yeah, they die easily, but at least they were interesting. Well, Gax'Kang and Imshael were, Xebenkek was just kinda "eh".  Y'know...  I always loved that shield Gax'Kang could drop, the one called Fade Wall.  It was perfect for my Arcane Warrior Surana, if only because I really liked that strange wolf on the shield...  OH. :ph34r:

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fade_Wall

ALSO HAS THE SAME FLAME AS SOLAS'S TAROT CARD!

DISCUSS!

*flails*


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http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fade_Wall

ALSO HAS THE SAME FLAME AS SOLAS'S TAROT CARD!

DISCUSS!

*flails*

Oh man!!! That looks SUPER Dread Wolf-y. 


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