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Damn, I played around 6 hrs going around collecting all shards I had left and then doing the Oasis, with Sera, Cole and Solas in the group..

But they decided it was better to be mute! Nobody wants to speak XD They can probably feel the tension in the air XD

Uff, I want to hear those banters so bad :P

Tomorrow I might just leave the game open and do smth else and hope they speak once in a while. :/

I wish there was a way to trigger the banter at command XD

 

When I played through the game with my male Lavellan and took Cass, Solas and Dorian everywhere - I couldn't shut those guys up! Chatting away all the time.

So with my Female Lavellan I thought I'd mix it up a bit and bring some different people with me to get more varied banter.

Yeah. No one wants to talk to each other.

Today I arrived in Crestwood with Solas, Cole and Blackwall. Proceeded to discover and complete every area/rift/quest in the area and NOT ONE DAMN WORD WAS UTTERED TO EACH OTHER.

Unlocked the Western Approach next and dragged Varric, Dorian and Blackwall (this is my, 'give Blackwall a chance' run so he's coming everywhere) and closed all the rifts, took the keep, and headed off to the ruins, all in total silence.

Do these people have nothing to say to each other!? 

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I realise that I start to hate an area when no one says anything. The Western Approach is too big and too empty for us to all walk around in silence  :crying:

 

I may have lost some sanity from playing so many hours of silent DAI today... Also, I accidentally made my Hawke look ridiculously feminine and decided to just roll with it.

Which I guess is kinda hilarious when he's shouting and screaming about DEM BLOOD MAGES. Which he is. *snort* Dude made no sense in DA2 and I thought that was stupid, but then he comes charging into DAI and make EVEN LESS SENSE. 

I kinda adore him for it. ILY Elyan Hawke. You girly madman.

I never really got the whole fuss people made about wishing they could play Hawke instead of the Inquisitor in this game, but I totally would roll as Elyan. He is completely nucking futs. He would be amazing at the Winter Palace.

 

...But only if he could ditch Fenris and live happily ever after with Varric. His one and only true love. 

 

 

I really need to be asleep. My madness is showing.


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Sleep is for the weak! Quick, pick a area for me to quest complete tonight! Go!

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I really need to be asleep. My madness is showing.

 

It's ok.  It will never be as bad as all the posts of teary, sleep madness WTF when folks started finishing DA:I  :lol:



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Sleep is for the weak! Quick, pick a area for me to quest complete tonight! Go!

Hissing Wastes. :P



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Hissing Wastes. :P


Hahah well I might as well. Nothing like walking. All. Day. Maybe I'll take all the mages.

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This. I know a lot of people assume Solas has only been awake for a few years, but I think it has to be a bit longer than that. He understands way too much about the current world to only have been awake a short time.

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Another thing to consider is Felassan seems convinced he can avoid whoever kills him if he avoids the fade (I re-read the passage earlier) and that wouldn't be the case with Solas, Solas wouldn't need the Fade to reach Felassan. So it seems whoever he is afraid of is stuck in the fade.

 

Used up all my likes on Liz's awesome Tyrdda posts, so re-quoting this one. I also got the impression that Solas has been wandering around awake for awhile. The bit about Felassan avoiding the Fade is super interesting! Amazon keeps recommending The Masked Empire and I keep resisting... maybe I should just break down and get it. :)

 

So, good news on the sales of dragon age Inquisition!

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide as it launched in November, and it quickly became the most successful launch in BioWare history.

 

That's awesome news! And bodes will for future DLC hopefully.



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It's ok.  It will never be as bad as all the posts of teary, sleep madness WTF when folks started finishing DA:I  :lol:

 

I finished DAI at some ridiculous hour of night and then proceeded to not sleep because my mind has been fried by that damn after credits scene.

 

I also didn't sleep after finishing DAO and DA2 so it's nice to see that I'm consistent :lol:  I can still remember both of those days really vividly.

Important things I forget, but dragon age? Oh that's going to stick in my head with a flashbulb memory. Priorities.  


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This makes me happy for many reasons. A. More dragon age b. And most importantly continued investment in single player games. And not just from ea. I like playing with others ok but I'm happiest when I'm able to sink into a game on my own.

 

c) More race selection in the future!  :P

 

(NO MORE HUMAN-ONLY GAMES LIKE ME AND DA2!! Shepard and Hawke, we are not!)

 

If Solas does become an antagonist in future games and we have a new protagonist, I want so badly to approach him as a fellow elf. I feel it in my bones I want it so bad!

 

(If we have to try to stop him, or at least stop whatever drastic measure he wants to use to obtain it, I want to approach him as, "I am one of the People you are trying to help. I know this world failed you because it failed me too, but there are still things worth preserving. Please, step down." Not, "I'm one of the humans who benefits from the status quo being the way it is, but what you're doing to try to help the elves still doesn't sit well with me and mine, and thus I'm going to stop you!")


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Because, they have secret crushes on him, and resort to schoolyard antics to rationalize their feelings. :P

 

Or, because, they thought the double rainbows here were just too magical... 

It's true. Your double rainbows are mesmerizing.



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It's true. Your double rainbows are mesmerizing.

 

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Edit: ... link is being weird, when it works, it was awesome T.T

 

Double Edit: changed it because of failzors.


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double_rainbow_winged_kitty_by_rgbit-d3f

 

Edit: ... link is being weird, when it works, it was awesome T.T

 

Double Edit: changed it because of failzors.

Dude.

That's my cat.

Wait, wait, there's no ginger half-mustache.  :lol:


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As to weather Solas killed Felassan I'm kinda 50/50 on that. It seems a very un-Solas like reaction tbh, to off someone just because he didn't get what he wants? However there are quite a few Fen'Harel mentions in that book. Of course, if Felassan revers Fen'Harel as much as he seems to I'm surprised he seems so afraid of whoever kills him.

This.



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From Solas' perspective, I believe it was more that Felassan betrayed him and all their people because he was sentimental about Briala.  This is something he's more passionate about than anything else, even Lavellan.  And we've seen with the mages what Solas will do when he's angry enough. 


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Yes! Although my mage (human) playthrough was fun, my canon will be a non-mage Lavellan. I vastly prefer the idea of her being a nobody (beyond maybe being a decent fighter), even among her own clan. I definitely pick the 'not the Herald!' dialogue every chance I get. And I like the idea that the Anchor's power is super alien and seriously freaks her out.

 

Plus I like the idea of Solas falling for her, even though she's so far removed from the elves he knows that she doesn't even have magic (plus, like, almost every Solavellan fanfic I've read has her be a mage - and being the hipster i am I need to be different).

 

I also like normal, Muggle Lavellan. My little archer Lavellan was horrified when she found out she had the Anchor and she definitely hated being called the "Herald of Andraste". She never wanted power. All she wanted was to be a normal Dalish girl but circumstances decided that a normal life is not what she was meant for. :P It's partially why I headcanon that she didn't choose to drink from the Well, even though the knowledge gained from it would prove useful.

 

And yes, the idea of Solas falling in love with a regular non-mage Lavellan who is, as you've mentioned, far removed from the elves is just as fascinating as him falling for mage Lavellan.

 

And I share your sentiments regarding the Solavellan fanfics. I'm really tired of seeing about 95% (just an estimation btw) of the Lavellans in it being a mage/Keeper. A little variety in the class wouldn't hurt. -_-  

 

I used to think, prior to game release, that Solas might be Felassan.  If only because Solas being Felassan, or simply someone working for the same boss, felt more likely than Solas being Fen'Harel himself.  But now, I think poor Felassan is simply dead.  And yeah, I think Solas killed him, because the evidence was pointing to Fen'Harel being the one who killed Felassan, and now we know who Fen'Harel is.  I don't hate Solas for it, but it is a very sad thing from the perspective of someone who really likes both characters.

If Solas turns out to have killed Felassan, it will be a case of my favorite elf killing my other favorite elf. /fistshake

 

[There can only be one!] 

 

I just finished reading TME last night. Hoo boy, the feels at the ending. Even though I knew Felassan was going to die, it still made me so sad. He's my favorite character in the book. :(

 

As for whether Fen'Harel killed Felassan, at this point I'm not certain but it is a possibility. For me it's a 50/50 chance that it's either Fen'Harel or it's another entity who is probably Fen'Harel's rival/enemy. I'm just going to wait until we see more things revealed in DLC or in the next DA game.

 

I want action figure. I'd give my first born to get a Solas for my collection *sighs*

 

This! I want my DA:I/Solas action figures so badly now! D:

 

So, good news on the sales of dragon age Inquisition!

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide as it launched in November, and it quickly became the most successful launch in BioWare history. More than 113 million hours have already been spent exploring the depth and detail of the single-player experience in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and more players are joining each day. Named “Game of the Year” by 32 media outlets around the world, including IGN, Game Informer and the Associated Press, Dragon Age: Inquisition is a true masterpiece from the team at BioWare and a game that is sure to be played for a long time to come.

 

Source; http://investor.ea.com/

 

Got from reddit; http://www.reddit.co...isition_had_by/

 

WOO HOO!

 

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EDIT: ToP Solas

 

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I'm an archer lavellan!
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I'm an archer lavellan!

Me too! Heck... we spent the game scouting ahead to close rifts so archer is perfect :P My headcanon has her as the daughter of a mage and the niece to Keeper Deshana so her being completely ordinary came as a shock to pretty much everyone (especially her! She was 11-12 and dreaming of magic, poor girl lol). So instead she trained to be the best archer there was and she loves ancient lore. She can't be keeper, but that doesn't stop her curiosity and desire to learn. She glomps on Solas from the start and just pumps him for information every chance she gets lol.


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c) More race selection in the future!  :P

 

(NO MORE HUMAN-ONLY GAMES LIKE ME AND DA2!! Shepard and Hawke, we are not!)

 

If Solas does become an antagonist in future games and we have a new protagonist, I want so badly to approach him as a fellow elf. I feel it in my bones I want it so bad!

 

That could be interesting. I wonder how Solas would respond to a Rivaini elf who follows the Natural Order or the Rivaini Qun (which seems to have seers among their number, so they seem to deviate from mainstream Qunari).

 

(If we have to try to stop him, or at least stop whatever drastic measure he wants to use to obtain it, I want to approach him as, "I am one of the People you are trying to help. I know this world failed you because it failed me too, but there are still things worth preserving. Please, step down." Not, "I'm one of the humans who benefits from the status quo being the way it is, but what you're doing to try to help the elves still doesn't sit well with me and mine, and thus I'm going to stop you!")

 

Yeah, I'd rather convince Solas to take different steps to achieve his goal instead of outright opposing him because he has the audacity to want to change the deplorable status quo that Dalish and Andrastian elves have to deal with.



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Solas sounds really cute when he says "My friend" to my Dudevellan. X3


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I'm an archer lavellan!

Me too! Heck... we spent the game couting ahead to close rifts so archer is perfect :P My headcanon has her as the duaghter of a mage and the niece to Keeper Deshana so her being completely ordinary came as a shock to pretty much everyone (especially her! She was 11-12 and dreaming of magic, poor girl lol). So instead she trained to be the best archer there was and she loves anciet lore. She can't be keeper, but that doesn't stop her curiosity and desire to learn. She glomps on Solas from the start and just pumps hhim for information every chance she gets lol.

 

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My headcanon is that my male Lavellan, Riel, who is the First of the clan is Tala's twin brother and that they're very close. So hanging around him made her fascinated with magic even though she's not a mage. And I headcanon Tala loved it when Riel told her some stories on elven lore from what Keeper Deshana told him, which is why Tala then gets fascinated with Solas' stories. She might have seen a bit of her brother in him. :P


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The Successor States were a fascinating hodgepodge of Greek, Iranian, Egyptian, and so on, cultures and religions. Ptolemy co-opted Egyptian religion and myth to legitimize his rule as a Pharaoh, rather than a foreign usurper. Seleukos ruled an empire of Greek colonists and conquered Iranians, and had to struggle to keep all the multiple ethnic groups from breaking away, much less the usual rebellions. Greek culture was definitely alive and strong, just evolving. Cultures always have foreign influence. The Greek City-States era learned from their neighbors, albeit not to the extent of the Successors. So I kinda see the Successor States as being late Arlathan, when everything was starting to deteriorate and barbarians (humans) were wandering around, sacking places, and eventually one group of barbarians rises up above the rest and conquers you and says, "Well, what does your philosophy say about that?" (Yes I have watched Colin Quinn's Long Story Short recently.  :P )

As for many steps back, Athens' democracy had already fallen into imperialism and nastiness, as seen in the Peloponnesian war. :( And the Achaemenid Empire was arguably more moral, which didn't help them when the Macedonians came a knocking. Of course, that's highly, highly debatable.  

Pardon me if I go to ancient military history nerd. :P

Phillip and Alexander's armies' success lay in the combined arms.

The sarissa armed pike-men weren't the virtual tanks of bronze that the classical hoplites were. They were, however, more practical. Lightly armored, because when you have an eighteen foot spear and thousands of brothers-in-dory to keep the enemy at bay, you don't need that much armor. Backed by swordsmen, auxilliary barbarian infantry, and more traditional hoplites and swordsmen to protect the ever vulnerable flanks, the phalangites provided the anvil.

The cavalry, specifically the Companions, provided the hammer.

The line of infantry would advance and engage the main enemy force. The spearmen would pin down the enemy, and the cavalry would be able to wheel around and drive at the weak point, crushing resistance.

The combined-arms army of Alexander was, to use TV Tropes terms, the Performer. Flashy, artistic, gorgeous to witness when done right, it was also overly complicated. There were many moving parts, and it took a general of great skill to wield them in concert and achieve victory. A poor general would lead this sort of army to a miserable defeat.

The Roman Legion was, in contrast, the Technician. Boring, but practical. Ruthless in its efficiency, and simple to use. They were the engineers to the Hellenes' artists. The Roman force could be commanded by a poor general and still come out ahead. They would likely lose to a general like Alexander, or Hannibal Barca with his own motley army that any other general would fail to hold together during lunch, much less a masterpiece like Cannae. In the Camillian and Polybian days, three lines of infantry. From the most inexperienced to the elite. Slowly wear down the enemy. Never give up. If you lose an army, recruit another. Their mastery of roads, engineering, and siegecraft led them to rule an empire that would dominate the West, all while cheerfully adopting Greek culture and making it their own. (Especially Stoicism. :P ) The Romans divided and conquered Macedon, Greece itself, Asia Minor, Syria, Egypt. The Parthians swept in and seized the rest of Alexander's old empire, and the two (and Parthia's successors) would battle out in a stalemate over the Middle East for many centuries, extending well beyond Rome's fall.

I'm going to make the wild speculation that Arlathan's magic took centuries to unfold and was beautiful in its design and implementation, like Solas talks about. But the Neromenian magic was quick and dirty, because the humans needed it now, and they didn't care about what happened so long as the job got done. Blood magic, slave sacrifice? All good. (The Arlathan elves sacrificed their slaves with style, with panache.)

Now we get to the fun part.

The Successor generals lost a lot of the essence of what made Alexander so incredibly successful on the battlefield.

They started doing very silly things to outdo one another.

First, scythed chariots. Not entirely practical. Alexander managed to counter them with relatively simple phalangitai tactics. Y'know. The soldier that is now the mainstay of every Successor army?  :lol: But they look AWESOME and make this terrifying death-rattle as they come your way. So they incorporated them into the army.

ELEPHANTS. Porus used elephants, didn't he? Remember when we all freaked out, but Alex was like, "Don't worry, guys, I got a plan.  B) " And how we've seen elephants stampede their own forces in a panic?

Wouldn't it be great if we added those into our army? Let's go find even bigger elephants. Let's put armor on them. Let's make it big shiny metal armor, and paint it, and paint the elephants. What if we added a platform to it and put a bunch of archers in it? Can we paint the archers too?

Why build a bunch of regular sized siege towers when you can compensate for all of your soldiers' 'shortcomings' at the same time? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helepolis

That leads us to the part where one smarmy Successor general added a few inches onto his sarissas, so his men could poke the other guys just a bit earlier and keep them at bay. Cue the pissing contest, where eventually you end up with an army of 25 feet pikes that you can't actually hold up properly, much less form a phalanx with.

As for the infighting, the Romans were actually bewildered by how much nonsensical backstabbings were going on during their conquests of Macedon and Greece.  :lol:  

"Just..just shut up. We can't keep the names straight. We're killing everyone, capiche?"

 

Hahaha I love these images! Caddius... you are Roman at heart, aren't you?  :lol:

 

It's true. Under Pericles, Athens embarked on a policy of expanding democracy at home, while severing ties with Sparta and expanding its empire abroad. Athenians became deeply attached to the idea of democracy, but ironically, attempted to enforce it onto neighboring areas. Cue imperialism, rubbing Sparta up the wrong way, and the Peloponnesian War... spreading unprecedented suffering throughout Greece. </3 

Meanwhile, Philip, Aristotle and Alexander were transforming Macedonia into a major power. Some public speakers, like Isocrates, prophesised Philip would be the "savoir which would rescue the Greeks from themselves". (totally solas) 

There are obvious weaknesses in a culture which puts so much value in individuality and moral integrity. Too many opinions, not enough agreement. Easy pickings for a certain military-loving Empire. The remnants of Arlathan must have been just as easy to pick off for Tevinter. 

 

(Do you find it curious that the mythical origins of Rome involved a she-wolf?) 

 

Romans. And their Stoicism. *shakes fist* I cannot reconcile this philosophy with Tevinter, however. It doesn't fit. Too public servicey. Magisters do not seem too dedicated to the idea of "being a good citizen".

Maybe Epicureanism fits better? Was around the same time, though not as popular. Focused on the pursuit of "pleasure", and the doubt that Gods took any interest in our world at all. The fear of death and related fear of divine retribution for our wrongdoings were two of the most significant impediments to living well. So, why worry? Basically, the classic hedonism stereotype other schools of philosophy frown upon  :lol:


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I'm attempting a Trevelyan mage- Cullen romance playthrough with Dorian and Vivienne as my main mage counterparts, but I miss Solavellan a lot. Cullen's romance is well done, it's just... you know.

Cole's still coming with me, though. Vivienne can suck it.

This happens so often that it's my HC that he does this out of sheer protective outrage. Those rogues that suddenly appear and backstab can be literal murder for a mage if you don't have a Barrier up. An instant later, Cole appears out of nowhere and backstabs the backstabber.  :wub:  In this case I'm also frozen by a filthy Venatori.

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Also, I didn't know that Cole comments on your specialization. *fangirls* Rift mage, in this case.

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You guys have such detailed backstories. I'm just like "she probably liked the woods maybe."
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The ending we wanted

 


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The ending we wanted


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I'm attempting a Trevelyan mage- Cullen romance playthrough with Dorian and Vivienne as my main mage counterparts, but I miss Solavellan a lot. Cullen's romance is well done, it's just... you know.

Cole's still coming with me, though. Vivienne can suck it.

This happens so often that it's my HC that he does this out of sheer protective outrage. Those rogues that suddenly appear and backstab can be literal murder for a mage if you don't have a Barrier up. An instant later, Cole appears out of nowhere and backstabs the backstabber.  :wub:  In this case I'm also frozen by a filthy Venatori.

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Also, I didn't know that Cole comments on your specialization. *fangirls* Rift mage, in this case.

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Yeah, Cole comments if you choose Rift Mage.  Although I thought he said something different with my Lavellan mage.  No I'm not making another (3rd) elven mage to check what he says.  I'm not.  Seriously!  Ok maybe.

 

Also, Rift Mage seems to have more to say about the Crossroads.  At least she had more to say than my Knight Enchanter.

 

Edit:  Found a save I could check.  Cole starts out the same but you can ask him questions.  Like how you feel now and how other mages differe, etc.