Oh, that explains Why it's always Cassandra who dies in that scene in all my playthroughs... I had no idea it was based on how you select the party.. I select them in order to be fast so Cass is always the second and Solas the last..
But I guess I'm happy I didn't have to see him dead! :-P
Ahah! Same thing happens to me. Never knew that was the reason.
I know this has nothing to do with absolutely anything...but has anyone romanced Sebastian and attempt to let Anders go in the end...is Sebastian's only response to go back to Starkhaven, even with a "romance"? If you can call it that...
I believe so. It has been a while since I romanced him, but I am almost certain that he refuses to compromise on Anders.
I just don't understand how people can.....inter a deeply abusive and objectifying relationship from like four lines of dialogue.
People are reading wayyyyyy too deeply into that.
Not to poke a hornet's nest, but I can also imagine that some of those are just trolls using a bandwagon to throw abuse at Bioware devs.
I gotta admit, Trevelyan and Solas having a bonding moment over this topic kind of bothered me.
I know this has nothing to do with absolutely anything...but has anyone romanced Sebastian and attempt to let Anders go in the end...is Sebastian's only response to go back to Starkhaven, even with a "romance"? If you can call it that...
Yes...no matter what, he will leave and go to war with Kirkwall if Anders lives. I've only killed Anders once to make Sebastian happy. I refuse to ever do that again!!
I believe so. It has been a while since I romanced him, but I am almost certain that he refuses to compromise on Anders.
I figured, but thought I'd check aha. I never had the patience to romance Sebastian...Fenris always got my attention, anyways.
Yes...no matter what, he will leave and go to war with Kirkwall if Anders lives. I've only killed Anders once to make Sebastian happy. I refuse to ever do that again!!
Does he at least have different dialogue...cause that would be such a waste of the $8 I payed for him to be in my party and not distinguish his romances from his friendships...
Oh, that explains Why it's always Cassandra who dies in that scene in all my playthroughs... I had no idea it was based on how you select the party.. I select them in order to be fast so Cass is always the second and Solas the last..
But I guess I'm happy I didn't have to see him dead! :-P
No fair. I always pick Solas first. They did it on purpose ;_;
pfffft lolol, you've got to wonder what Solas is seeing that could make that facial expression occur XD
Oh, that explains Why it's always Cassandra who dies in that scene in all my playthroughs... I had no idea it was based on how you select the party.. I select them in order to be fast so Cass is always the second and Solas the last..
But I guess I'm happy I didn't have to see him dead! :-P
Reminds me of the party micromanagement I had to do to get Garrus to be the one to catch Shepard at the end of the suicide mission in ME2. 
Yes! That happened to me purely by accident the first time and I died. Then I found out it's not scripted to be the LI.Reminds me of the party micromanagement I had to do to get Garrus to be the one to catch Shepard at the end of the suicide mission in ME2.
Wouldn't it be the order that you find them in the cells that determines it, not the order you initially pick for the quest? I'll have to pay closer attention.
Yes! That happened to me purely by accident the first time and I died. Then I found out it's not scripted to be the LI.
Which just means that it was DENSITY.
You are correct. It is who you pick up first from the cells.
Not to poke a hornet's nest, but I can also imagine that some of those are just trolls using a bandwagon to throw abuse at Bioware devs.
I gotta admit, Trevelyan and Solas having a bonding moment over this topic kind of bothered me.
Spoiler
Curious: Why does it bother you. Also can recall who is speaking...I forget?
Yes! That happened to me purely by accident the first time and I died. Then I found out it's not scripted to be the LI.
Same. I think I actually squealed when that happened the first time. That and the hand on her shoulder earlier on (I always have Garrus lead the second fire team). The suicide mission is the most amazing finale I've ever experienced in a video game.
EDIT: ToP happy Solas gif.
Trevelyan has the first line, Solas agrees with her.Curious: Why does it bother you. Also can who is speaking...I forget?
Does he at least have different dialogue...cause that would be such a waste of the $8 I payed for him to be in my party and not distinguish his romances from his friendships...
I don't think so..I really don't remember. It was such a long time ago. Even if you kill Anders...their "romance" doesn't really seem to matter much at the end. I dunno..I like Sebastian as a friend..but the whole "romance" just isn't worth it...not when you can have Anders or Fenris instead.
I suspect Weekes won't comment on Briala, because of Masked Empire and the whole Felassan mystery. And it would be hard to talk about her without mentioning his motives as Fen'Harel.
Heh. It did make the quest pack one hell of a punch, though. And it was perfect for my solasmance playthrough.
After all, he'd saved her life, then taught her about her newfound abilities. And after talking to him a lot in Haven, my Lavellan had really warmed up to Solas. She thought of him as a good friend. But it was after seeing him die for her that she realized she felt more for him than that, and those feelings were cemented by the events of In Your Heart Shall Burn. So the whole trip to Skyhold was Lavellan trying to muster up the courage to make the first move. In the end she needed to be in a dream to finally do it.
Reminds me of the party micromanagement I had to do to get Garrus to be the one to catch Shepard at the end of the suicide mission in ME2.
Gah I could never do that! ;_;
At least it was easier for something similar in Leviathan when he runs to and pulls Shepard up from the scuba-mecha-suit.
"Don't you ever do that to me again."
*swoon* Yessir!
Err.. On-topic: Soooolaaaaasss!
This happened to me the last time I launched the game. And he was standing by the desk, so it was rather awkward.
I got the sense that not everyone was able to see what was on the graves. I mean, why is the Inquisitor not able to comment on them? Maybe because the only people who are able to see the graves with their greatest fear is the person themselves. But the player gets to see them all. Same reason why the fearlings look like spiders but are hinted to appear to be different to the others.
That also explains why nobody else comments on the Nightmare's words to your companions except them. Maybe Solas is seemingly saying "Banal Nadas" into thin air.
Here's an interesting question. What would be on your Inquisitor's grave?
My Lavellan's greatest fear is failure. For obvious reasons. That glimpse of the future where Corypheus succeeded deeply affected her. She saw Solas and Cass and Leliana die to save her, after having been tortured for a year. All because she hadn't been there.
Loneliness.
Here's an interesting question. What would be on your Inquisitor's grave?
My Lavellan's greatest fear is failure. For obvious reasons. That glimpse of the future where Corypheus succeeded deeply affected her. She saw Solas and Cass and Leliana die to save her, after having been tortured for a year. All because she hadn't been there.
Power for mine. Specifically, the out-of-control juggernaut that the Herald of Andraste could become, as shown to you by Envy at Therinfall Redoubt. I had a very strong flashback to Dune, how Paul constantly sees the bloody jihad and can do nothing to stop it, precognition being what it is in that universe. Luckily in Dragon Age, seeing something doesn't condemn you to it.
Slightly off-topic, I have a feeling that Therinfall and Redcliffe inspired nightmares and heroic BSODs for many of our poor Inquisitors. Redcliffe is what will happen if Corypheus wins; Therinfall is what will happen if the Inquisitor loses their way.
Alright. Let me try to gather my thoughts on this. (Tell me if I misunderstand something!)
1. Biological focus for "formation of intent" - choice - is located at the front of the brain as the "material" element to a conduit which connects to the same position upon the individual's "fade-shadow".
BEHOLD MY PHOTOSHOP SKILLS
I am not going to pretend that I fully understand the connection between choice and magic... yet. I recall you (@madrar), @Gwyvian and @Hedivne having a conversation regarding the possible intertextuality of Thedas and ideas we may draw from it all. Choices and magic were one of the subjects (although being unfamiliar with so many texts I struggled to follow!) And the physics.. oh the physics! But I shall endeavor to try!
This does however give us a wonderfully clear picture on our relationship with the fade!
One vague thing that may support this theory is in the elven language. Fenxshiral of tumblr has been attempting to deconstruct the language, and in the absence of so much, has created new phrases from what she/he has learned. She/he has concluded that the elves use two distinct words for the "soul".
Nas = soul, life, energy, emotional essence
Sal = soul, spirit, intellect, infinity
More convincing is the word "sa'lin", meaning head or face. Yet the literal translation is "soul home" aka "where the soul lives".
Examples of use in existing words:
Enasalin = "emerge" "head" = emerging ahead/ on top = victory
Enasal = "emerge" "soul" = joy in triumph over loss
Enansal = "Enan" "sal" = gift or blessing
I cannot speak to her/his accuracy, however.
2. Tranquility cuts the connection made by this conduit. The ability to make an independent "choice" is lost = to use magic, and to dream. The connection between the physical element and the fade-shadow element of the conduit are required to have access to "choice".
I wonder if the "unquenchable flame" refers to the life remaining in the Tranquil, or the fade-shadow which continues to exist long after being seperated?
The Sentience View of the soul is disproved here. The soul being responsible for, arguably, the ability some organisms have to feel pleasure and pain and sense the world around them. Also thought to be responsible for higher level thought (plants, we assume, do not have sentient awareness and so, in conception, do not have souls).
Tranquils are not only very much alive and capable of using those higher cognitive processes, but as World of Thedas tells us, free will still persists - they just rarely, if ever, choose to use it.
Without emotions, they have nothing to guide them but the will of others.
If one can be alive without one's soul, it also discounts The Life-Source View. This being, everything alive, has a soul. Which is akin to what the Chantry tells us; that the Fade is a sort of primordial soup from which everything was made.
I must admit this has been my go-to way of thinking without using much brainpower. It is the super easy way to explain the soul-splitting/copying/hopping that the elves having seemingly been doing; and how everything in the fade can be formless. I shall update my thinking.
3. From the perspective of the "fade shadow", tranquility is similar to death. It loses it's sense of "self" (reflected will), provided by the conduit connection, and over time transforms into the "spirits" we see inhabiting the fade.
Spirits have neither imagination nor ambition [...] other than to taste life.
Without emotion to mine, spirits are simply uninterested in tranquils.
This desire to "taste" life may be a craving for that sense of self they once knew. What is interesting is that Tranquils are not completely immune to possession. Perhaps without that ability to symbiotically connect through the conduit, connect to a reflected will and achieve a sense of self, it is pointless to them.
Is possession simply a spirit forcing themselves onto an unwilling host... the opposite of choice? Being imprisoned in your own body must be the ultimate absence of choice.
I like this. It makes the distinction between "soul" and "spirit" nice and neat (eventually).
4. The nature of the spirit it becomes depends on the core nature it once belonged to. Seekers "reversing" tranquility is the seeker being reunited with their once-fade-shadow turned spirit. For one raised in a chantry, this spirit would be Faith. The process of reconnecting the conduit takes time.
Ok I got sleepy. But this is amazing madrar! I love it! Time to go think about (if possible) analysing!
(And sorry it takes me a while to catch up, you are too quick for me )
Tl;Dr: We all have a shadow-bro. Feed it with good choices!
I really just get this barely controllable urge to make out with him right in mid sentence and I kind of wonder how he would take that... Would he be like... "Nice. My girlfriend is kissing me now." Or would he be like "hold off, woman. I'm trying to say something important."
The latter.
"Dammit, woman, I'm pontificating here!"
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