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[CardinalSin90]

I'm not sure if I took this for granted or if it's mentioned somewhere (I'll try looking it up when I can), but I always thought Broodmothers were more-or-less subdued until a Blight, and then would become active when there was one.

Incidently I hated that part in Origins; listening to the female dwarf talk about how they made Broodmothers in that dead voice. ;_; All the chills were felt that day. Some playthroughs I'd turn subtitles off and volume down to avoid hearing it. >_<

Yeah that was probably the most disturbing thing I ever came across in Dragon Age. Even suicide would have been a better option than turning into that.

[Colonelkillabee]

Anyone else think the darkspawn looked more badass and "tainty" in DAO? They looked a lot more intimidating and gross to me then. Blame the crappy engine?

 

Halo's Flood looked more gross early on too. Then as graphics got better, they weren't as intimidating.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah that was probably the most disturbing thing I ever came across in Dragon Age. Even suicide would have been a better option than turning into that.

And with all the settlements they take down, think of all the women they kidnap. I mention this first when dumb asses try and say Dragon Age isn't dark. Seriously? That's almost as fucked up as you can get without putting in Dead Space.

[Addai]

Maybe they are cannibals and most end up eating each other.

I wonder how a dark spawn sustains itself..

Darkspawn don't eat- confirmed by Gaider. I mean, they do eat, but they don't need to. He said they eat "for another purpose." I take that to be a blood magic thing. They're sustained by the Blight, the same way elves in Uthenera can be sustained by the Fade alone.
 

Darkspawn are compelled to seek out the calling that the Old Gods send out.  So they mostly dig underground searching for the Old Gods.  It's the reason they all return underground once the Archdemon is dead.  This is also why the Grey Warden plan to kill the Old Gods to stop future Blights was a terrible one...  With no more calling, there would be nothing keeping the the majority of them underground any longer.

And maybe that's why Solas says what would happen if the Wardens' plan succeeds could be even worse. Darkspawn with nothing to occupy them, driven mad by the silence like the Mother was. We see what happens when humans and elves find their gods are silent.

[TanisLave]

I seriously space barred through her poem EVERY TIME after that.

No one wants to be confronted with forced cannibalism, rape, mutation, and batch-pregnancy.  NO ONE.

Especially when you're playing a female warden whose fate is to go down to the Deep Roads alone once the Calling hits a fever pitch. Seriously. Men probably get to die all nice and noble, while you're carried off into some forgotten thaig and turned against your will into a monster whose sole purpose is to spawn the very thing you've fought your whole life against and defiled you.

BRB, need to go vomit somewhere.

: )...

why

why would you make me sad about that again

[BoscoBread]

I seriously space barred through her poem EVERY TIME after that.
No one wants to be confronted with forced cannibalism, rape, mutation, and batch-pregnancy.  NO ONE.
Especially when you're playing a female warden whose fate is to go down to the Deep Roads alone once the Calling hits a fever pitch. Seriously. Men probably get to die all nice and noble, while you're carried off into some forgotten thaig and turned into a monster against your will whose sole purpose is to spawn the very thing you've fought your whole life against and defiled you.
BRB, need to go vomit somewhere.

When I heard it the first time and i met branka....i couldn't kill her fast enough.

[Armdin]

I seriously space barred through her poem EVERY TIME after that.

No one wants to be confronted with forced cannibalism, rape, mutation, and batch-pregnancy.  NO ONE.

Especially when you're playing a female warden whose fate is to go down to the Deep Roads alone once the Calling hits a fever pitch. Seriously. Men probably get to die all nice and noble, while you're carried off into some forgotten thaig and turned against your will into a monster whose sole purpose is to spawn the very thing you've fought your whole life against and defiled you.

BRB, need to go vomit somewhere.

 

I hate you (in the nicest way possible) for making me think that. I'm glad my poor girl died killing the Archdemon.. >_<

 

Although it adds a whole new level of depth to a female Warden who's striving to find a way to end the Calling in DA:I. Primary motivation?

 

Wow...

[Colonelkillabee]

Nvm, I don't think anyone wants to talk about the brood mother process.

[Sable Rhapsody]

When I heard it the first time and i met branka....i couldn't kill her fast enough.

 

Yeah...for me, letting Branka live is in the same category of decisions as selling Fenris to Danarius.  Namely, I never do it, not even in the Keep, and I can't even watch videos of someone else playing through it.  I lost a decent chunk of approval from Oghren for telling her (and him) exactly what I thought of her.

[BoscoBread]

Darkspawn don't eat- confirmed by Gaider. I mean, they do eat, but they don't need to. He said they eat "for another purpose." I take that to be a blood magic thing. They're sustained by the Blight, the same way elves in Uthenera can be sustained by the Fade alone. And maybe that's why Solas says what would happen if the Wardens' plan succeeds could be even worse. Darkspawn with nothing to occupy them, driven mad by the silence like the Mother was. We see what happens when humans and elves find their gods are silent.

2nd bit - that's such a melancholy thought. The mother seems so sad now....knowing what she lost.

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[laurelinvanyar]

Nvm, I don't think anyone wants to talk about the brood mother process.

Yeah, no. I still get shivery about that poem even years after playing. 

[Rabbitonfire]

Nvm, I don't think anyone wants to talk about the brood mother process.

I do. I want to know the circle of life.

[RynJ]

This is totally off topic but, those of you who played the Mass Effect series, did you let Vega give you a nickname? It's been so long since I played that I can't remember whether or not it annoyed me eventually. 

 

On topic: there's a lot of speculation either way about whether Solas as we see him is how he's always been or if he's taken on different forms/taken over people over time. Which would you prefer to be true?

[TanisLave]

This is totally off topic but, those of you who played the Mass Effect series, did you let Vega give you a nickname? It's been so long since I played that I can't remember whether or not it annoyed me eventually. 

 

On topic: there's a lot of speculation either way about whether Solas as we see him is how he's always been or if he's taken on different forms/taken over people over time. Which would you prefer to be true?

 

Him just being Solas, to be honest. 

[Sister Squish]

I'm still the person who thinks Mythal is Dumat as I think her death/ betrayal is a damn good reason to call her the Dragon of Silence. Should she be The Laughing Lady of the Skies, a God who once actively participated in the lives of men who suddenly disappears, and the prayers and offerings to her to fall on seemingly deaf ears.. her evolution into a god/ dragon of silence is a super logical jump. I also find the connection between Andraste's birth, the Death of Dumat, the female-centric bloodline of Andraste, and the implications of Tyrdda Bright-Axe to be such that I can't see Andraste as anything other than an Old God vessel like Kieran. Dragon Age: Origins made it very clear how and under what circumstances that ritual is to be performed.

But I'm also not a believer of the triple threat theory. I think secrets --> mystery is a more natural progression for Dirthamen. Moreover, it also fits with character revealed in Tyrdda. He is ALL about whispering secrets and mysteries in dreams wiser men should ignore. The prevalence of crows in game, the Dirthamen temple mission, the Watcher statue in the Emerald Graves, the impaled Watcher Statue in Mythal's section of the Fade, and the revealing of the Tyrdda epic within this game lead me to see Dirthamen as the next big bad. Which makes sense. Because Razikale is said to be the next Old God in line to become an Archdemon.

 

Plus, twin soul double dragon blight if Falon'Din were Lusacan and Dirthamen were Razikale. That's the BEST bet of a Blight that could truly break Thedas beyond recovery. Which the sadomasochistic storyteller in me wants SO BAD. You all don't even know.

Again, this is just my opinion from how I've interpreted the Lore, but it is by no means the only way to see or understand it. I have no desire to be confrontational or judge you or your theory personally. Just voicing my personal discrepancies and providing an alternate view point.

 

Oh no worries about seeming confrontational, I was joking with the "fight me"   Everybody has different match-ups for the Gods. Your theory is also plausible, and reasoned well (and that fight would be sooo rad!) 

Like yours, I am attempting to absorb as many different viewpoints on the subject as I can... So I felt guilty about initially resisting madrar's Triple Threat theory, when I should have been more open to it. I am now trying the outfit on, so to speak! 

 

After slotting in Falon'Din for Dumat as outlined by madrar's sequence of events, my reasoning for the rest is simply the Old Gods being the inverted natures of the Elven Pantheon (in that running theme of soul "dualism"): 

Elgar'nan = Sun (day), turned night 

Andruil = Freedom (as seen in Sera) turned Chaos, as we already know from the tale of her "losing her face" to madness

Ghilan'nain = frankenstein creations, become beauty

Sylaise = warm cinders of a hearth, become raging fire

June = crafted devoted worshippers (dwarves), turned slaves

Razikale = ?

More to work out D: but bedtime for me, good night everybody! 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Colonelkillabee]

I do. I want to know the circle of life.

My question originally was one that I bet might make a lot of people uncomfortable, and was honestly not even important, so I won't bother going into it. Regardless of the answer, the process is fucked and women definitely have the worst of it in blights. If they're soldiers, they better die fighting.

 

Or kill themselves.

[dragondreamer]

It still doesn't explain how ferelden was able to hold back the blight on its own, politically fractured as it was. There was 400 years between the fourth blight and the fifth blight. Even if all of the darkspawn stayed in the deep roads to dig during those intervening years, there should have been hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of darkspawn to breach the surface when Urthemiel rose. 

 

The Fifth Blight was kinda weird in general.  Considering that it was almost artificial, due to the Architect tainting Urthemiel, it may not have had the same buildup of searching darkspawn in the Archdemon's vicinity as previous blights.  (I think Thedas is going to be due for a surprise real Blight soon.)  Most Blights span years (sometimes decades), while the Fifth Blight was handled within a year.  Perhaps the slow buildup combined with a relatively speedy takedown of the Archdemon prevented the kind of massive armies seen in previous Blights.

[laurelinvanyar]

I do. I want to know the circle of life.

The poem makes it fairly clear. A woman is taken, fed tainted flesh, and raped. After which she goes mad and feasts on non-tainted flesh and grows. 

 

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Hespith

 

The poem is at the bottom. 

[Armdin]

This is totally off topic but, those of you who played the Mass Effect series, did you let Vega give you a nickname? It's been so long since I played that I can't remember whether or not it annoyed me eventually. 

 

On topic: there's a lot of speculation either way about whether Solas as we see him is how he's always been or if he's taken on different forms/taken over people over time. Which would you prefer to be true?

 

Always. I didn't like Vega at first but when I went... Biotic? (Is that the class? Space-pshycic!) I liked having Garrus to Snipe and a tank. I could never take Ashley seriously with her remodel, and no Krograns to bonk stuff so, Vega it was! His interactions with Garrus were awesome, and he grew on me. I wish they'd released his story as a DLC in ME2 rather than a crappily animated OVA. But, ho-hum.

 

I prefer to think Fen'Harel and Solas are two different beings, sharing the same body for so long that they're almost the same being now. I guess I just don't like the idea of an immortal Solas. Even if we do get a Wolf Hunt DLC, unless he loses his immortality, he'd still leave Levallan behind eventually...

 

Edit: Plus I kind of like the idea of the big, black Dread Wolf stalking up to Solas as a child/teenager and offering him a deal. x) Sort of Studio Ghibli Howl's Moving Castle deal that Howl and Calcifer make.

[laurelinvanyar]

The Fifth Blight was kinda weird in general.  Considering that it was almost artificial, due to the Architect tainting Urthemiel, it may not have had the same buildup of searching darkspawn in the Archdemon's vicinity as previous blights.  (I think Thedas is going to be due for a surprise real Blight soon.)  Most Blights span years (sometimes decades), while the Fifth Blight was handled within a year.  Perhaps the slow buildup combined with a relatively speedy takedown of the Archdemon prevented the kind of massive armies seen in previous Blights.

And once Urthemiel was down, the darkspawn didn't have any further reason to rise to the surface. So there's still a huge chunk of 400 years worth of darkspawn down there >.< 

 

Fantastic. 

[Avejajed]

I do. I want to know the circle of life.

I wasn't sure how I took the poem. I waver on it a lot.

Being force fed anything is enough to make my skin crawl.

I suppose being violated could mean a lot more than, say, rape. I don't see the Darkspawn as being super sexual creatures, though I suppose if breeding is the goal, there may not be any actual pleasure there, only that they are fulfilling a instinctual need.

I suppose being tied down and force fed your loved ones until you become engorged and transform into a broodmother (without the rape) is also pretty much being violated.

There's a possibility I've given this too much thought.

[Sable Rhapsody]

This is totally off topic but, those of you who played the Mass Effect series, did you let Vega give you a nickname? It's been so long since I played that I can't remember whether or not it annoyed me eventually. 

 

I didn't with my FemShep, who is very proper and professional.  My ManShep and Vega were the bro-est of bros.

[Rabbitonfire]

This is totally off topic but, those of you who played the Mass Effect series, did you let Vega give you a nickname? It's been so long since I played that I can't remember whether or not it annoyed me eventually. 

 

On topic: there's a lot of speculation either way about whether Solas as we see him is how he's always been or if he's taken on different forms/taken over people over time. Which would you prefer to be true?

Either way is cool by me. I would think it would super fascinating if elven nobles could body swap as easy as a fashion statement. Square jawline and outward bellybutton out of fashion? Hit the slave market for a new look. Heard Derelicte movement is might get a foot in the door.