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Yeah...for me, letting Branka live is in the same category of decisions as selling Fenris to Danarius.  Namely, I never do it, not even in the Keep, and I can't even watch videos of someone else playing through it.  I lost a decent chunk of approval from Oghren for telling her (and him) exactly what I thought of her.

I was like -1000 approval me Oghren. Leave the party. I don't give a 'eff'.  This woman is a monster. There is nothing good or worthy in her. Their horrors and suffering demanded her blood. Ugh, I rarely am actually disgusted by VG characters, but she...she will always die. 



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The poem makes it fairly clear. A woman is taken, fed tainted flesh, and raped. After which she goes mad and feasts on non-tainted flesh and grows. 

 

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Hespith

 

The poem is at the bottom. 

Not good enough. I want a diagram. 



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This conversation just pisses me off and makes me want to be a grey warden and **** up lots and lots of darkspawn.


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I wasn't sure how I took the poem. I waver on it a lot.

Being force fed anything is enough to make my skin crawl.

I suppose being violated could mean a lot more than, say, rape. I don't see the Darkspawn as being super sexual creatures, though I suppose if breeding is the goal, there may not be any actual pleasure there, only that they are fulfilling a instinctual need.

I suppose being tied down and force fed your loved ones until you become engorged and transform into a broodmother (without the rape) is also pretty much being violated.

There's a possibility I've given this too much thought.

LOL that's the conversation I was avoiding :lol: No merit to it. It's fucked either way. But since it's brought up and because I'm cynical, I bet it means rape. Bioware probably left it at "violated" to not be totally and utterly grotesque and leave the rest to your imagination. Which really just makes it worse.



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Ah, I found where I thought Broodmothers become inactive during the periods between a Blight:

 

"She also charges another disciple The Lost with defending Kal'Hirol where she houses several unawakened broodmothers who provide darkspawn troops for her." - Snipped from Wiki.

 

Looking at it now though, it looks more like they're Broodmothers not yet seperated from the Call, not actually asleep/inactive.



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This conversation just pisses me off and makes me want to be a grey warden and **** up lots and lots of darkspawn.

There's probably too many for even the wardens to kill :(



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And once Urthemiel was down, the darkspawn didn't have any further reason to rise to the surface. So there's still a huge chunk of 400 years worth of darkspawn down there >.< 

 

Fantastic. 

 

If the theories about Razikale and Lusacan rising together are correct, Thedas might be in for a Super Blight.  :P  I don't think Darkspawn are immortal, though potentially long lived.  There's also supposed to be a great deal of infighting among them for dominance, so that probably brings down the numbers.  Newborn Darkspawn try to kill each other from the beginning.  Alphas are Darkspawn that killed off the entire rest of their brood. 


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There's probably too many for even the wardens to kill :(

Oh yes, unless you go idiot mode like they did in inquisition. And then even if they succeed, they either help the old gods anyway or help bring the world to destruction if my theory is right, or drive every last darkspawn mad and to the surface at once like Addai said.

 

Either way, you're kinda boned.


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Ah, I found where I thought Broodmothers become inactive during the periods between a Blight:

 

"She also charges another disciple The Lost with defending Kal'Hirol where she houses several unawakened broodmothers who provide darkspawn troops for her." - Snipped from Wiki.

 

Looking at it now though, it looks more like they're Broodmothers not yet seperated from the Call, not actually asleep/inactive.

That would actually make some sense.  They still are "living" creatures in a sense.  Can be killed, possibly subject to wear and tear.  Birthin' hundreds of darkspawn probably is physically draining.  So I mean they really only "exist" to create troops during wartime.  I mean the darkspawn aren't concerned with populating a species.  That's not their prime directive.   The taint programs them to simply find the Old Gods and then what??  What is supposed to happen? What is the Blight supposed to do? 


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*snip*
Still wish I could've kept me ME2 party of Garrus/ Mordin/ Grunt. That was awesome. Plus... Grunt's practically my kid. My survivor renegade FemShep taught him how to take a Thresher Maw like a slice of birthday cake. And she head-butted another krogan in his honor. That's the mark of real kinship.

 

Aw yiss! Garrus/Mordin/Grunt was my staple team as an Adept (that was the class! Well done!) Well, sometimes Tali instead of Mordin, 'cuz she was so damn cute! I could never go full Renegade in ME2 purely because I couldn't handle being mean to her at the start ;_;

 

On-topic: Solas, solace, eh? Eeeeh? *sneeze*


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LOL that's the conversation I was avoiding :lol: No merit to it. It's fucked either way. But since it's brought up and because I'm cynical, I bet it means rape. Bioware probably left it at "violated" to not be totally and utterly grotesque and leave the rest to your imagination. Which really just makes it worse.


Haha Sorry. I just know I think you could take it both ways, but I think ultimately that you're right. Force fed your loved ones and raped to breed monsters. *shudders*

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As far as Branka goes, take the route where you give her the anvil and then convince her to destroy it.  You find out that the anvil is a living thing and has been feeding Branka's insanity from afar.  I don't know how it did it exactly, but judging from how Branka acts in that conversation it looks a lot like Reaper indoctrination.  The anvil needs more victims and is using Branka to get them.  I'll also point out that it's built into an underground mountain of lyrium, IIRC.

 

That or she's just that batty with or without the anvil.

 

Either way, my Dwarven Noble Warden doesn't care.  He needs his golem army!  And werewolves!  Werewolves are great!


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Not good enough. I want a diagram.


Did someone ask for a chart?
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Haha Sorry. I just know I think you could take it both ways, but I think ultimately that you're right. Force fed your loved ones and raped to breed monsters. *shudders*

Meh it's all good. I'm certainly not sensitive about the topic, though it's unnerving of course.

 

Anyway, to get our minds off that, here's the early concept and first rough sketch to my commission coming in by our very own RoyalRel. My inquisitor and Elene, his elven lover pre Conclave:

 

http://i.imgur.com/9cW2OlD.jpg


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Did someone ask for a chart?

*raise hand*

 

Would there be two seperate cycles for female darkspawn and male darkspawn? Would it look like a comparison circle except the cycle is on the lines are merged at the edge rather than interconnect?



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I'm not sure if I took this for granted or if it's mentioned somewhere (I'll try looking it up when I can), but I always thought Broodmothers were more-or-less subdued until a Blight, and then would become active when there was one.

 

Incidently I hated that part in Origins; listening to the female dwarf talk about how they made Broodmothers in that dead voice. ;_; All the chills were felt that day. Some playthroughs I'd turn subtitles off and volume down to avoid hearing it. >_<

 

 

I seriously space barred through her poem EVERY TIME after that.

No one wants to be confronted with forced cannibalism, rape, mutation, and batch-pregnancy.  NO ONE.

Especially when you're playing a female warden whose fate is to go down to the Deep Roads alone once the Calling hits a fever pitch. Seriously. Men probably get to die all nice and noble, while you're carried off into some forgotten thaig and turned against your will into a monster whose sole purpose is to spawn the very thing you've fought your whole life against and defiled you.

BRB, need to go vomit somewhere.

 

I guess I'm really twisted then, because I loved that part of the game. Not because I actually love terrible things happening to innocent people (in real life just the thought makes me so sick I shake uncontrollably, vomit, and pass out) but because, in the safety of a fictional setting, I thrive on the drama derived from the horrific and macabre. I love hearing Hespith's ironic nursery rhyme because it makes me ill, both morally and physically.

 

It definitely does add a layer of horror for female Grey Wardens who are expected to face the Calling. It also explains Alistair's observation that there have never been many women in the Grey Wardens (although BioWare seems to have ret-conned that as of Inquisition, because it seems to me there's roughly an equal number of female Grey Wardens to male).

 

Although, one must note that the darkspawn want fertile women to serve them, and Grey Warden women are practically sterile thanks to the taint. It's possible the darkspawn sense this (since Wardens and darkspawn can sense each other, especially Wardens so far gone they hear the same music as darkspawn) and so don't want them for Broodmothers. In fact, I'm almost sure I read a quote somewhere (but can't find it now) where an angry fan called Gaider out on putting Grey Warden women in the position to get turned into Broodmothers, and he calmly responded that Grey Warden women have limited reproductive abilities. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he basically implied that they're safe in that area thanks to the side effect of the Joining limiting their fertility.


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I guess I'm really twisted then, because I loved that part of the game. Not because I actually love terrible things happening to innocent people (in real life just the thought makes me so sick I shake uncontrollably, vomit, and pass out) but because, in the safety of a fictional setting, I thrive on the drama derived from the horrific and macabre. I love hearing Hespith's ironic nursery rhyme because it makes me ill, both morally and physically.

Agreed. I certainly don't like any of it, but I like that there's something there that can repulse me so thoroughly in the setting. It definitely makes the darkspawn seem more horrific.

 

Though I think they meant in person, rather than in media.


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*raise hand*

Would there be two seperate cycles for female darkspawn and male darkspawn? Would it look like a comparison circle except the cycle is on the lines are merged at the edge rather than interconnect?


Scientific Chart.
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I guess I'm really twisted then, because I loved that part of the game. Not because I actually love terrible things happening to innocent people (in real life just the thought makes me so sick I shake uncontrollably, vomit, and pass out) but because, in the safety of a fictional setting, I thrive on the drama derived from the horrific and macabre. I love hearing Hespith's ironic nursery rhyme because it makes me ill, both morally and physically.

 

It definitely does add a layer of horror for female Grey Wardens who are expected to face the Calling. It also explains Alistair's observation that there have never been many women in the Grey Wardens (although BioWare seems to have ret-conned that as of Inquisition, because it seems to me there's roughly an equal number of female Grey Wardens to male).

 

Although, one must note that the darkspawn want fertile women to serve them, and Grey Warden women are practically sterile thanks to the taint. It's possible the darkspawn sense this (since Wardens and darkspawn can sense each other, especially Wardens so far gone they hear the same music as darkspawn) and so don't want them for Broodmothers. In fact, I'm almost sure I read a quote somewhere (but can't find it now) where an angry fan called Gaider out on putting Grey Warden women in the position to get turned into Broodmothers, and he calmly responded that Grey Warden women have limited reproductive abilities. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he basically implied that they're safe in that area thanks to the side effect of the Joining limiting their fertility.

 

Oh, I completely agree actually. I love it objectively, amazing writing and the nitty-gritty side of th Blight. Love it! But hate it from an emotional standpoint.

 

Phew! I hope that's true, as that's a ton off my mind... Now they just get to die alone in a tunnel- ah ****



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I imagined a female Warden wouldn't go anywhere near the Deep Roads without something like a cyanide capsule.


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Agreed. I certainly don't like any of it, but I like that there's something there that can repulse me so thoroughly in the setting. It definitely makes the darkspawn seem more horrific.

 

Though I think they meant in person, rather than in media.

Actually the horror for me was Branka. The Darkspawn are mindless.  This woman. This thinking person is the monster.  Which I think was part of the point. I love playing through it every time.   Then you find out about Shale and I just get so happy she finds out who she was.  I love the Deep Roads.  10/10 would spelunk again. 


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Actually the horror for me was Branka. The Darkspawn are mindless.  This woman. This thinking person is the monster.  Which I think was part of the point. I love playing through it every time.   Then you find out about Shale and I just get so happy she finds out who she was.  I love the Deep Roads.  10/10 would spelunk again. 

Lol tbh, that segment often put me to sleep, up until the broodmother part and some other stuff. I mean, I played origins a lot, so it's to be expected I guess.

 

But you're right. It's one thing for a monster to do this. Another for a person to abandon someone to that fate knowingly. Awesome writing.



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Thanks for this. I felt absolutely ILL thinking this was the fate of my warden. I'd rather sign up for execution by my fellow wardens than head down to the Deep Roads to "die with glory." Becoming a broodmother is the furthest thing from glory I can imagine.

 

I get what you're saying about the macabe being fascinating and a driving force for your hero. In that respect, I feel like DA:O felt much darker (and possibly stronger) on the whole than DA:I. The consequences of losing felt much more real, your enemies felt nigh impossible to topple, and the morality of the world outside of your party felt like nothing but the darkest shades of gray. Your party, while varied of opinion/ method, were what got you through the absolute darkest of times and the vilest of moral depravity that surrounded you.

Don't get me wrong, I love DA:I, I just wish the stakes for losing were higher. A.K.A. The Venatori were weak and I crushed them between my thighs. The Red Templars felt like people growing rocky candy. Seriously, if you didn't choose the Mages, then you SHOULD have lost the Hinterlands. It should have become a Tevinter port with an invading force you had to deal with and influenced the fate of your Ferelden World State. That would have been a badass consequence.

 

This is why I favor the mage redcliffe side over the templar side. You get a stronger sense of what's at stake. It felt rather dark and depressing my first time going through it. That was honestly one of the best segments in the whole series.


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